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The 2007 Draft Do-Over thread. Who your team took. (1 Viewer)

Andy Dufresne

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This is a totally ripped off idea from I don't know where (USA Today or something like that)

I have the original pick first and what I think would have been a better pick second. Once a player is off the board in the do-over, he's not an option to another team. So since AP is gone to the Raiders, he wasn't an option to Detroit and so on.

Go ahead and comment critique...

1. Oakland - Jamarcus Russell/Adrian Peterson

Tough call on this one since we've seen so little of Russell. He may end up being the franchise guy, or he may flop.

One thing we do know for sure is that AP is unbelievable. He has more talent in his torn ligament than the rest of the Raider backs combined.

2. Detroit - Calvin Johnson/Joe Thomas

First of all, why did the Lions take Johnson if they're not going to use him? Kitna is getting killed behind a typical Mike Martz offensive line. Thomas has played very well for the Browns and would have made the Lions a lot tougher.

Another option would have been better is Patrick Willis, who has played very well for the 49ers.

3. Cleveland - Joe Thomas/Laron Landry

Hard to give them someone else since they nailed the pick correctly with Thomas. But as good as their offense is, the defense is a catastrophe ranking 32nd in scoring and total yards, 30th in pass, and 28th in run defense. Given that, Landry is an obvious alternate.

4. Tampa Bay - Gaines Adams/Calvin Johnson

Adams appears to be coming on nicely, so it's hard to fault the pick. But the offense could be taken up a notch with the addition of an offensive playmaker.

5. Arizona - Levi Brown/Levi Brown

I didn't much care for the pick when it was made, but he's helped the Cards pound the ball effectively.

6. Washington - Laron Landry/Gaines Adams

Landry was the right pick, but since he's unavailable, they pick for their other big need.

7. Minnesota - Adrian Peterson/Reggie Nelson

They obviously hit paydirt with AP, and without him no other player would have helped them get to the 6-6 record they now enjoy. But if he were off the table, the Vikes should choose to upgrade a position that has proven once again to be weak against the pass. Nelson has been making lots of plays for the Jags, and while Sharper and Smith have been okay, this would be an upgrade.

8. Houston - Amobi Okoye/Amobi Okoye

Hard to argue with the pick. He's helped them get their money's worth from last year's #1 Williams too. Given Ahman Green's injury troubles, Marshawn Lynch would be awfully tempting.

9. Miami - Ted Ginn/Brady Quinn

I think Ginn will make a fine player for them, probably as early as next year. I put Quinn in here just because I'm tired of the debate.

10. Atlanta - Jamaal Anderson/Jamarcus Russell

With Vick gone, the franchise QB is the route to go.

11. San Francisco - Patrick Willis/Patrick Willis

The 49ers got this one right.

12. Buffalo - Marshawn Lynch/Marshawn Lynch

Lynch was the right pick.

13. St. Louis - Adam Carriker/Adam Carriker

Unless he'd have come with a medical degree, he couldn't have given them more.

14. Carolina - Jon Beason/Jon Beason

Has to be the front runner for DROY.

15. Pittsburgh - Lawrence Timmons/Tony Ugoh

Timmons has been slowed by injury and outplayed by the second rounder Woodley. The line has struggled at times, and before he got hurt, Ugoh was holding down the left side well for the Colts.

16. Green Bay - Justin Harrell/Darrelle Revis

Both Al Harris and Charles Woodson are over 30 years old. Revis has been outstanding and would step right in for either should they retire. Not much help for the Packers' running game at this point in the draft.

17. Jacksonville - Reggie Nelson/Sidney Rice

They got it right with Nelson. But I still can't stand their receiving corps. Rice is emerging as a stud for the Vikes.

18. Cincinnati - Leon Hall/Leon Hall

Starting and playing well.

19. Tennessee - Michael Griffin/Dwayne Bowe

Griffin hasn't been terrible, but their WR corps has left a lot to be desired.

20. N.Y. Giants - Aaron Ross/Aaron Ross

He has fit their scheme nicely.

21. Denver - Jarvis Moss/Alan Branch

Branch hasn't gotten much of a chance in Arizona, but anything would have been an upgrade for the Broncos at the DT position.

22. Dallas - Anthony Spencer/Eric Wright

Spencer hasn't seen much action, so it's hard to judge the pick. An upgrade is certainly needed opposite Newman, however.

23. Kansas City - Dwayne Bowe/Aaron Sears

Bowe has been a find for the Chiefs but is off the board in this scenario. Sears has started every game for the Bucs and would have really helped out the Chiefs line.

24. New England - Brandon Meriweather/Paul Posluszny

Both the safety and linebacker positions needed an influx of youth. Poz was playing well before injury while Merriweather hasn't hardly played.

25. N.Y. Jets - Darrelle Revis/Joe Staley

Revis is a stud. But the right side of the Jets line could have really used the upgrade Staley would bring.

26. Philadelphia - No first rounder/Greg Olsen

The TE position is important to the Eagles' scheme and LJ Smith just can't get healthy.

27. New Orleans - Robert Meachem/Chris Houston

Meachem is teetering on Bustland and Houston has played in all 12 games for the Falcons, pushing Jimmy Williams to safety.

28. New England - No pick. Traded to SF.

29. Baltimore - Ben Grubbs/Ben Grubbs or Zach Miller

Grubbs has given them flexibility along the o-line, like they planned. But they want to run a lot of their offense through the TE position and as good as Heap is, he can't stay healthy.

30. San Diego - Craig Davis/Anthony Gonzalez

Davis started out well but has fizzled of late. Gonzalez would have been a better pick.

31. Chicago - Greg Olsen/Justin Blalock

Olsen has been solid and will only get better. But their run offense could have used a road grader like Blalock.

32. Indianapolis - Anthony Gonzalez/Ted Ginn

Gonzalez is the real deal but since he's gone, Ginn would also make a good #3 for the short term with the possibility of being more in the future.

 
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We all know AD is a beast but I don't agree that the raiders should have drafted him. There were questions about the o-line and frankly they had bigger needs than at rb.

Also the bucs made the right pick. They're doing well with the wrs they already have and that d-line was old and ineffective.

 
We all know AD is a beast but I don't agree that the raiders should have drafted him. There were questions about the o-line and frankly they had bigger needs than at rb.
But fix the o-line in rounds 2+. AD is the best overall player in the draft and now one of the top players in the game. You simply DON'T pass that up.
Also the bucs made the right pick. They're doing well with the wrs they already have and that d-line was old and ineffective.
Yes and no. I think Adams was a fine pick, but the WRs they have are not long term and CJ would have been a great long-term solution. It just shows how awful of an organization the Lions are that they can wreck the careers of so many decent players.
 
Do you have J.Russell falling out of the 1st all together?
:thumbup: ####!!!!
Fixed. I think. Russell to Atlanta.
I'm not sure russell would have fit in petrino's system....really schaub was prolly the perfect fit for that offense and I really wish we could've seen dj shockley under center
What system is that? Would he use a more mobile QB?. Perhaps Quinn and Russell should be flipped in this exercise?
 
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now ginn fell out of the first...
That should make almost everyone happy, right?Actually, I think that's about right. Given the needs of the teams involved and the impact he's had, he probably isn't a first rounder. Bowe, Rice, and Gonzalez have all been better.For grins, I'll take Timmons out of the Colts' pick and put in Ginn.Thanks for the observations guys. I put this together pretty quick here today.
 
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24. New England - Brandon Meriweather/Paul Posluszny

Both the safety and linebacker positions needed an influx of youth. Poz was playing well before injury while Merriweather hasn't hardly played.

I am not sure if Posluszny fits into a 3/4 scheme but Meriweather certainly has been a disappointment in his inability to get on the field.

 
24. New England - Brandon Meriweather/Paul PoslusznyBoth the safety and linebacker positions needed an influx of youth. Poz was playing well before injury while Merriweather hasn't hardly played.I am not sure if Posluszny fits into a 3/4 scheme but Meriweather certainly has been a disappointment in his inability to get on the field.
Neither am I, but he did play in the 3-4 a bit at PSU. And he's talented enough to be used properly in just about any system.
 
We all know AD is a beast but I don't agree that the raiders should have drafted him. There were questions about the o-line and frankly they had bigger needs than at rb.
But fix the o-line in rounds 2+. AD is the best overall player in the draft and now one of the top players in the game. You simply DON'T pass that up.
I can kinda see your point but I'm starting to believe what the texans said when they passed up bush last year, there are just too many quality rbs out there. I mean look at what guys like ryan grant, selvin young, earnest graham, justin fargas etc are doing. Plus every year you have a "great" rb coming out. Two seasons ago it was bush, last year it was AD, and this year it'll be dmac. It's a supply and demand thing and franchise qbs are harder to find.
 
We all know AD is a beast but I don't agree that the raiders should have drafted him. There were questions about the o-line and frankly they had bigger needs than at rb.
But fix the o-line in rounds 2+. AD is the best overall player in the draft and now one of the top players in the game. You simply DON'T pass that up.
I can kinda see your point but I'm starting to believe what the texans said when they passed up bush last year, there are just too many quality rbs out there. I mean look at what guys like ryan grant, selvin young, earnest graham, justin fargas etc are doing. Plus every year you have a "great" rb coming out. Two seasons ago it was bush, last year it was AD, and this year it'll be dmac. It's a supply and demand thing and franchise qbs are harder to find.
Every year you have good RBs coming out. Great ones are rare. And AP >>>>> Reggie Bush. :lmao: I don't think the Raiders made a bad pick with Russell. I just thought it would be more fun to mix it up if he weren't. It would have been better had I not forgotten to add him somewhere else later! :bag:

 
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Do you have J.Russell falling out of the 1st all together?
:football: ####!!!!
Fixed. I think. Russell to Atlanta.
I'm not sure russell would have fit in petrino's system....really schaub was prolly the perfect fit for that offense and I really wish we could've seen dj shockley under center
What system is that? Would he use a more mobile QB?. Perhaps Quinn and Russell should be flipped in this exercise?
Apparently it's the one that belongs in college...my god I can't believe they gave petrino a 5 year/$25mil deal..but I digress. From what I've seen his system seems to be more about a qb staying in the pocket and timing and accuracy than having a big, strong armed qb who can run over lb's if he has to
 
Do you have J.Russell falling out of the 1st all together?
:hifive: ####!!!!
Fixed. I think. Russell to Atlanta.
I'm not sure russell would have fit in petrino's system....really schaub was prolly the perfect fit for that offense and I really wish we could've seen dj shockley under center
What system is that? Would he use a more mobile QB?. Perhaps Quinn and Russell should be flipped in this exercise?
Apparently it's the one that belongs in college...my god I can't believe they gave petrino a 5 year/$25mil deal..but I digress. From what I've seen his system seems to be more about a qb staying in the pocket and timing and accuracy than having a big, strong armed qb who can run over lb's if he has to
:football: I think Russell fits that definition. He looks like a pocket passer that's extremely accurate, with good timing, that can just so happen run over guys if he has to.I don't think he has a rep of being a scrambling QB.
 
Every year you have good RBs coming out. Great ones are rare. And AP >>>>> Reggie Bush. :no:
I'll play devil's advocate here and remind you that AD has never stayed healthy an entire year since HS. Yes, he had a great season but who knows how his career will turn out. DD had a couple great years but he's now working at burger king or wal - mart
 
Every year you have good RBs coming out. Great ones are rare. And AP >>>>> Reggie Bush. :confused:
I'll play devil's advocate here and remind you that AD has never stayed healthy an entire year since HS. Yes, he had a great season but who knows how his career will turn out. DD had a couple great years but he's now working at burger king or wal - mart
We can both cherry pick guys that support our arguments. We don't know how long ANY of these guys have.Really, ANY of the top 8-ish players would have been a good pick for the Raiders.

 
I like Gaines Adams and think he will be very good. That said I wanted AP for several reasons:

1) Cadillac's injury issues

2) Just about every playoff team last year had 2 quality backs

3) Gruden is perceived as a down the field wide open type of play caller when in reality there is a side to him that would love to play smash mouth and run the ball down the D's throat.

4) The attention Gruden has given to the O line and it's emphasis on a more physical style of play lends itself to a running game more than a finesse passing attack.

 
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... comment critique...

2. Detroit - Calvin Johnson/Joe Thomas

First of all, why did the Lions take Johnson if they're not going to use him? Kitna is getting killed behind a typical Mike Martz offensive line. Thomas has played very well for the Browns and would have made the Lions a lot tougher.

Another option would have been better is Patrick Willis, who has played very well for the 49ers.

JT has been nails for the Browns and you are correct, JT has played good and is a big reason for the offensive turn around in Cleveland and the Lions are hurting big time on their O-Line and looks like he would be the logical pick in any do-over. Thomas has only given up one sack this year so his pass blocking has been sensational and he's gotten better at run blocking as the season progresses. He has the build to layer on muscle to his frame without giving up speed or mobility providing room to imrove.

3. Cleveland - Joe Thomas/Laron Landry

Hard to give them someone else since they nailed the pick correctly with Thomas. But as good as their offense is, the defense is a catastrophe ranking 32nd in scoring and total yards, 30th in pass, and 28th in run defense. Given that, Landry is an obvious alternate.

I get this light hearted do-over uses 20/20 to the point that Cleveland would know DA would blow up allowing them to bypass Russell/Quinn so go a bit futher with 20/20 where Cleveland would see SS Sean Jones playing great and FS Brodney Pool beging to turn it on. Patric Willis looks like a shoe-in for DROY but the Browns biggest defensive hole is without a doubt the defensive line. Amobi Okoye seems like a great pick but Carriker has really impressed me and is a better fit in Crennel's NE 3-4 defense so I'd take Carriker here for Cleveland.

9. Miami - Ted Ginn/Brady Quinn

I think Ginn will make a fine player for them, probably as early as next year. I put Quinn in here just because I'm tired of the debate.

NC other than :thumbup:

22. Dallas - Anthony Spencer/Eric Wright

Spencer hasn't seen much action, so it's hard to judge the pick. An upgrade is certainly needed opposite Newman, however.

Wright, currently injured, has improved and is a good pick here for the Boys but Dallas didn't pick in this spot. Wouldn't Cleveland have this do-over pick?

In any event, nice rip and can't help notice that your first round do-over has the Browns first three picks going off the board in the first 22 picks. Suggests some good shoot'n by Browns GM Phil Savage. :popcorn:

 
We can both cherry pick guys that support our arguments. We don't know how long ANY of these guys have.
That is true however rbs have a shorter span than any other position plus the fact he has been hurt every year in college has to work against him. I'm not saying AD would've been a bad pick but IMO he wasn't a "safe" pick or at least as safe as you can get.
 
22. Dallas - Anthony Spencer/Eric Wright

Spencer hasn't seen much action, so it's hard to judge the pick. An upgrade is certainly needed opposite Newman, however.

Wright, currently injured, has improved and is a good pick here for the Boys but Dallas didn't pick in this spot. Wouldn't Cleveland have this do-over pick?
No, Dallas didn't pick here. I just took the original 1st round draft order and then placed the original 1st round pick for this exercise. Cleveland wouldn't make the same trade if Quinn weren't on the board.

 
We can both cherry pick guys that support our arguments. We don't know how long ANY of these guys have.
That is true however rbs have a shorter span than any other position plus the fact he has been hurt every year in college has to work against him. I'm not saying AD would've been a bad pick but IMO he wasn't a "safe" pick or at least as safe as you can get.
I made that same argument regarding McFadden as an overall #1, so I agree with you.
 
I think if the Titans could do it over, they'd take Griffin. He's been excellent on special teams, played CB, safety, nickel, etc. Great pick.

I was shocked Chris Houston dropped as far as he did. He'd easily go in round 1 in a do-over.

 
Rice ahead of Bowe? Ehh not so sure about that one.

And NO WAY is Beason having a better year than Willis. Willis is a FREAK

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Bracie Smathers said:
22. Dallas - Anthony Spencer/Eric Wright

Spencer hasn't seen much action, so it's hard to judge the pick. An upgrade is certainly needed opposite Newman, however.

Wright, currently injured, has improved and is a good pick here for the Boys but Dallas didn't pick in this spot. Wouldn't Cleveland have this do-over pick?
No, Dallas didn't pick here. I just took the original 1st round draft order and then placed the original 1st round pick for this exercise. Cleveland wouldn't make the same trade if Quinn weren't on the board.
Ahhh, good point on the Browns not trading if Quinn were not on the board. A bit off the spirit of the 20/20 nature of knowledge DA would blow up but if their were a draft do over without the DA knowledge and Russell was available then Savage would have pounced on him in a heartbeat. Oh and a shout out for Davis Harris for the Jets, not sure if you had him going in the first but check out that kid's stats the last few games when he was given the chance to start. He looks like his is going to be very, make that very-very good.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10491

64 total tackles and 3 sacks in his last five games. :thumbup:

 
2. Detroit - Calvin Johnson/Joe Thomas

First of all, why did the Lions take Johnson if they're not going to use him? Kitna is getting killed behind a typical Mike Martz offensive line. Thomas has played very well for the Browns and would have made the Lions a lot tougher.

Another option would have been better is Patrick Willis, who has played very well for the 49ers.
1) The Lions probably intended Johnson to play better than he has so far. He was dropped a lot of easy passes, and Shaun McDonald has stepped his game up.2) "typical Mike Martz offensive line"... The Rams line was excellent when Pace was healthy. The problems with the current Lions OL has much, much much more to do with Millen (who has built it over the years) than Martz (who inherited it).

3) I agree that in hindsight Joe Thomas looks like a better pick than CJ, but hey, so does AD. If this had been another Fitz / Gallery things would look different. No way would I take Willis over CJ right now.

 

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