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The Blame Game (1 Viewer)

Who is to blame for the Jets 2-3 record?


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We are playing The Blame Game on tomorrow's podcast and I want to hear some feedback from you, the fans, on these questions we will be posing. Participate in the poll and post some answers! The best and brightest answers will get air time.

The problems in Philly continue. They lost to the Bills Sunday and the Dream Team is now 1-4. Where does the blame go: Andy Reid, Juan Castillo, or Michael Vick? (All of the above is not an answer... even though it is the answer)

The “Super Bowl bound” Jets are sitting at 2-3, after a loss to the division rival Patriots. Who should get the bulk of the blame? The defense, Brian Schottenheimer, or Mark Sanchez?

 
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You need to add O-line to the Jets options, IMO. It's been atrocious.
Good point! So much blame to go around for the Jets. I added the extra option. It's hard to put a finger on just who is the problem. I wanna say The Anti-Sanchize, just because he has been overrated since the day he stepped on the field at USC. But then again, the Jets offense is dismal, and as we give quarterbacks all the credit (just like crediting Sanchez for the playoff wins), they too should get the blame when the offense fails. However, it is hard for a quarterback to be effective when the O-Line doesn't block. Ask Jason Campbell how much more he likes Oakland than Washington.
 
Who decided the Eagles were OK going into the season with the worst linebackers in the league?
Haha! I guess since Andy Reid is head of football operations, you gotta give it up to him on this one. They filled a lot of spots, but neglected the core on both sides of the ball (linebackers and offensive line). I still think Casey Matthews (hard not to when his brother is Clay... not to mention the rest of the family tree) has potential and so does Brian Rolle (lacks quickness on the NFL level though... can be made up for with discipline). But either way, it IS that bad. Good point Plasma
 
Can we get a "schedule makers" option for the reason the Jets are 2-3?

The Jets lost to the 3-1 Ravens in Baltimore, lost to the 3-2 Raiders in Oakland, and lost to the 4-1 Patriots in New England.

 
Can we get a "schedule makers" option for the reason the Jets are 2-3?The Jets lost to the 3-1 Ravens in Baltimore, lost to the 3-2 Raiders in Oakland, and lost to the 4-1 Patriots in New England.
Another valid point. However, you don't back up preseason claims of a Super Bowl by losing to the best and blaming the schedule. A Super Bowl contender should be able to win away from home, too. Scheduling is the reason their record is what is at this point in the season, but that doesn't mean they don't lose these games later. BACK IT UP REX!
 
Reid hands down. He is the fool that promoted a zero defensive experienced offensive line coach to defensive coordinator, had final say on the failed drafts the past couple years, puts together crap gameplans & playcalling and refuses to adapt.

 
Reid hands down. He is the fool that promoted a zero defensive experienced offensive line coach to defensive coordinator, had final say on the failed drafts the past couple years, puts together crap gameplans & playcalling and refuses to adapt.
Oh yeah... this one is definitely making the show. You hit every point in 2 sentences and I can't argue with a single one. Well-said, sir.A disgruntled Philly fan, I take it?
 
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Can we get a "schedule makers" option for the reason the Jets are 2-3?The Jets lost to the 3-1 Ravens in Baltimore, lost to the 3-2 Raiders in Oakland, and lost to the 4-1 Patriots in New England.
Another valid point. However, you don't back up preseason claims of a Super Bowl by losing to the best and blaming the schedule. A Super Bowl contender should be able to win away from home, too. Scheduling is the reason their record is what is at this point in the season, but that doesn't mean they don't lose these games later. BACK IT UP REX!
And just think, if not for a complete meltdown by Romo in the 4th quarter of the opening game, they'd be 1-4.
 
Reid hands down. He is the fool that promoted a zero defensive experienced offensive line coach to defensive coordinator, had final say on the failed drafts the past couple years, puts together crap gameplans & playcalling and refuses to adapt.
Oh yeah... this one is definitely making the show. You hit every point in 2 sentences and I can't argue with a single one. Well-said, sir.A disgruntled Philly fan, I take it?
A tad. There is alot more detail provided by alot more knowledgeable people then me.I am just a fan that doesnt wear green tinted glasses & felt he has been the problem for a long time. Now to a person that doesn't follow the eagles, they may think some of us are crazy & that he is one of the best coaches out there. Just check the Eagles thread on this forum, a good 48 pages of documented issues & bickering on the team. I did provide quite a bit of that over the course of the thread lol.I don't follow the Jets but elite teams are supposed to be able to have a chance at beating other elite teams. Jets are just not an elite team. Aging RB in LT, underachieving RB in Greene..not like Sanchez is this all pro or even above average QB. Plus losing their C didn't help much.
 
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Can we get a "schedule makers" option for the reason the Jets are 2-3?The Jets lost to the 3-1 Ravens in Baltimore, lost to the 3-2 Raiders in Oakland, and lost to the 4-1 Patriots in New England.
Another valid point. However, you don't back up preseason claims of a Super Bowl by losing to the best and blaming the schedule. A Super Bowl contender should be able to win away from home, too. Scheduling is the reason their record is what is at this point in the season, but that doesn't mean they don't lose these games later. BACK IT UP REX!
And just think, if not for a complete meltdown by Romo in the 4th quarter of the opening game, they'd be 1-4.
Oh yeah! How easily we forget. People like to point out how close their teams were from winning, but forget how close they were to losing. For example, my Redskins were just the opposite. If it wasn't for Romo pulling the game out of his butt, the Redskins would be 4-0. BUT if the Rams receivers didn't have cinder blocks for hands, the Redskins would be 2-2.
 
Reid hands down. He is the fool that promoted a zero defensive experienced offensive line coach to defensive coordinator, had final say on the failed drafts the past couple years, puts together crap gameplans & playcalling and refuses to adapt.
Oh yeah... this one is definitely making the show. You hit every point in 2 sentences and I can't argue with a single one. Well-said, sir.A disgruntled Philly fan, I take it?
A tad. There is alot more detail provided by alot more knowledgeable people then me.I am just a fan that doesnt wear green tinted glasses & felt he has been the problem for a long time. Now to a person that doesn't follow the eagles, they may think some of us are crazy & that he is one of the best coaches out there. Just check the Eagles thread on this forum, a good 48 pages of documented issues & bickering on the team. I did provide quite a bit of that over the course of the thread lol.I don't follow the Jets but elite teams are supposed to be able to have a chance at beating other elite teams. Jets are just not an elite team. Aging RB in LT, underachieving RB in Greene..not like Sanchez is this all pro or even above average QB. Plus losing their C didn't help much.
Haha! I don't doubt you added quite a bit to that conversation. The host of today's sports podcast, Happy Hour, is also a VERY disgruntled Philly fan. I'm looking forward to hearing his perspective today. Thanks for sharing yours!You're right on-point with the Jets too. Too much aging all-around and the Anti-Sanchize... but don't worry, they're winning the Super Bowl. Right, Rex? Right? I'm looking forward to hearing the same prediction next year.
 
Thanks to everyone that participated in the polls and posted their thoughts! I used a few of your comments on today's podcast and gave credit where it was due. Great thoughts, guys!

Thanks to footballguys too! Your forum also got mention on the podcast.

 
Can we get a "schedule makers" option for the reason the Jets are 2-3?The Jets lost to the 3-1 Ravens in Baltimore, lost to the 3-2 Raiders in Oakland, and lost to the 4-1 Patriots in New England.
Doesn't look as unfair when you look at their 2-1, 2-2, 3-1 records after removing the Jets games ;)
 
Can we get a "schedule makers" option for the reason the Jets are 2-3?The Jets lost to the 3-1 Ravens in Baltimore, lost to the 3-2 Raiders in Oakland, and lost to the 4-1 Patriots in New England.
Doesn't look as unfair when you look at their 2-1, 2-2, 3-1 records after removing the Jets games ;)
Haha! Agreed! The Patriots are near unbeatable, but their defense makes them beatable... and the Jets still had no offense against them. Oakland is scary but beatable. Stop McFadden! And that is the opposite of what the Jets did. 177 yards and 2 TDs on 19 carries. This past Sunday vs the Texans - 51 yards on 16 carries and 0 TDs.And I don't think Baltimore has had 3 defensive TDs against anyone else either...
 
I voted Juan Castillo but in reality while it's his "fault" in the sense he has about as little sense of coaching a defense as I do performing rocket science. However, that blame does have to trickle down to Mr. Reid. He was the one who made the decision to put his good friend and offensive line coach as the defensive coord. Which both made the defense atrocious as well as the offensive line. He was the one who went out and blew he entire load on 2 players when the team could have definitely benefited more to spreading that money out to "good" and "decent" players instead of one or two dominant players. Reid 100% should be fired after this year unless the Eagles make an amazing turn around. Even if they lose out and go 1-15 though I still don't see him losing him job.

As for the Jets, it has to be Rex Ryan... always has been always will be. Last season they should have probably went 9-7 again, instead they got 2-3 last minute/overtime wins against teams that shouldn't even be on the same field with the talent the Jets have. Let alone actually competing with all that talent. Both games vs Miami were super close, the game against Cleveland, Detroit... I can go on. All of these games were against teams that were AWFUL last season and the Jets barely pulled it out. They are an amazing talent, but they don't play well.

 
vick and the offense is fine. they are "only" scoring 20-30 ppg because the defense cant stop the run. that means less possessions and less time for the offense. the real problem is the linebackers, you need big run stopping LBs to balance out the 9 tech scheme they play. they dont have that and there is really nothing reid or castillo can do to fix this (besides changing their entire scheme). if you give philly 2 above average LBs, i think philly would be 5-0 with a top 5 offense and defense right now

 
Eagles should be Reid in a landslide. Any vote for Juan is a vote for Andy. Reid personally handpicked his new DC (and former OLine Coach). He is directly responsible for the issues on Defense right down to the lack of players at LB and Safety. All the issues lie at his feet.

 
Eagles should be Reid in a landslide. Any vote for Juan is a vote for Andy. Reid personally handpicked his new DC (and former OLine Coach). He is directly responsible for the issues on Defense right down to the lack of players at LB and Safety. All the issues lie at his feet.
Then it's no surprise he never saw these problems coming.
 
I wanna say The Anti-Sanchize, just because he has been overrated since the day he stepped on the field at USC.
Then you haven't watched the Jets much. There isn't one loss you can blame on Sanchez. The Baltimore game is the closest you could come to pinning on him, and while he was really bad, it was the o-line that was the real culprit. He was destroyed in that game every time he tried to pass. And as to the two fumbles, one really should have been called an incomplete pass (but it was close) and one warranted a fine by the defensive player for an illegal hit, which means a flag should have been thrown on the play. He did throw a really bad interception that took away all momentum that was going there way, but at that point he was shell-shocked.Their poor o-line play and inability to stop the run has been their downfall. I'd love to hear why you would blame Sanchez other than what appears to be your preconceived bias.

 
I blame the ESPN/NFL East Coast Hype Machine. These teams both have lots of weaknesses and the only reason it's a surprise to most to see them do badly is because the media fills our heads with non-stop "OMG VICK VICK VICK!!" or the media bias that any New York team gets.

 
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'Shane Falco said:
Eagles should be Reid in a landslide. Any vote for Juan is a vote for Andy. Reid personally handpicked his new DC (and former OLine Coach). He is directly responsible for the issues on Defense right down to the lack of players at LB and Safety. All the issues lie at his feet.
Then it's no surprise he never saw these problems coming.
he's too arrogant.
 
'RUSF18 said:
'Shane Falco said:
Eagles should be Reid in a landslide. Any vote for Juan is a vote for Andy. Reid personally handpicked his new DC (and former OLine Coach). He is directly responsible for the issues on Defense right down to the lack of players at LB and Safety. All the issues lie at his feet.
Then it's no surprise he never saw these problems coming.
he's too arrogant.
:whoosh: :)
 
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I wanna say The Anti-Sanchize, just because he has been overrated since the day he stepped on the field at USC.
Then you haven't watched the Jets much. There isn't one loss you can blame on Sanchez. The Baltimore game is the closest you could come to pinning on him, and while he was really bad, it was the o-line that was the real culprit. He was destroyed in that game every time he tried to pass. And as to the two fumbles, one really should have been called an incomplete pass (but it was close) and one warranted a fine by the defensive player for an illegal hit, which means a flag should have been thrown on the play. He did throw a really bad interception that took away all momentum that was going there way, but at that point he was shell-shocked.Their poor o-line play and inability to stop the run has been their downfall. I'd love to hear why you would blame Sanchez other than what appears to be your preconceived bias.
Hmmm... ok... yeah... ummm... now here is the full version of what I said:
It's hard to put a finger on just who is the problem. I wanna say The Anti-Sanchize, just because he has been overrated since the day he stepped on the field at USC. But then again, the Jets offense is dismal, and as we give quarterbacks all the credit (just like crediting Sanchez for the playoff wins), they too should get the blame when the offense fails. However, it is hard for a quarterback to be effective when the O-Line doesn't block. Ask Jason Campbell how much more he likes Oakland than Washington.
So yeah... I don't think I was blaming Sanchez there. I believe it was the offensive line I was blaming. I hope I made myself a little more clear with the bold print and underlining. Silly me, for not writing it that way in the first place. :wall: Speaking of bold print, I'm assuming you didn't like that I said he was overrated. You pretty much made the case for me.

He DID cost the team 3 touchdowns, right? YES.

What does an illegal hit have to do with him fumbling the ball? These hits have just recently been made illegal.. players had to deal with it before. A fumble is a fumble. Don't fumble the ball!

Also, keep in mind I said he was overrated. He isn't horrible. He can be pretty good. Good athlete, good arm, good feet... tons of potential. But hasn't developed pocket awareness and his accuracy is still not good.

Perhaps he would have developed these things at USC, had he started more than16 games. BUT he became overrated and went into the draft early. Since then, they have been trying to justify the early jump to the NFL because nobody wants to admit they were wrong. "Oh he's got all these playoff wins already"... with the best defense in the NFL... but yeah, give the credit to Sanchez, that's fine. Then they lose... "It's the O-Line I tell ya!" Let it go already, people. You're hanging on to Sanchez like Rex hangs on to annual Super Bowl predictions. Let... it... go.

He will be a good quarterback someday. But he is not the Montana/Young/Brady/Manning infusion they were making him out to be. Hence the term overrated. Hell, he may win a Super Bowl too. So did Trent Dilfer.

And for my final point... well... I'll let you make it

He did throw a really bad interception that took away all momentum that was going there way, but at that point he was shell-shocked.
Class dismissed.

 

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