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[ravnzfan]

Mike....thanx for the invite

looking forward to a very competitive season

 

[Capt Hook]

Captain Hook - Team Objectives & Analysis

Draft Plan - Drafting from the 12 position would require that if I wanted one of the top rookie RB, I would have to take them right away. That is fine if you take a two year view, but like everybody else in this league, I want to compete every year - including year one. I also wanted to get of of the top young quarterbacks - whether that was a rookie or a Carson Palmer. My final plan was to take Reggie Bush with one of my first picks - two RB at 1-12/2-1, the best pair of WR/TE available in the second turn and then see how the draft was treating QB with the idea of taking Warner/Leinart as a pair when I had to. While it would be nice to have multiple DS and K because of the best ball format, I had already decided I would likely have to forego this luxury to give me the most options QB/RB/WR positions, so I set my sights on getting one of the top at each position hopefully with a bye in the latter weeks so I would not have to deal with that unless I wanted to with early FA picks once the season started.

The Draft - didn't take long for someone to force a change in plans with Bush off the boards before the end of the first round.

Rounds 1/2 - Happy that Tiki fell this far. Yes, it's dynasty league, but IMO that

shouldn't mean that you pass on a better player all the time. Of the

rookie RB I felt the combination of talent & opportunity put Maroney

at the top of the list. He should be the starter next year and may

well have significant playing time this year. Again, if I didn't take one

of Maroney, Williams or Addai there, they would not make it back to

me.

Rounds 3/4 - Just missed Palmer by one pick here, so drafted Reggie Wayne and

Chris Chambers as the core of my receivers

Rounds 5/6 - Sorry but not surprised with a good group of drafters and the league

scoring system that either Shockey or Heap didn't make it back to me

More surprised that Vernon Davis did not and given that there had

been no further QB taken in round 4 that Brady didn't. Drafted

DeShaun Foster and Alge Crumpler which seemed very good values

Rounds 7/8 - While there was a small group of QB taken (McNabb, Hasselbeck and

Bulger) there didn't seem to be a rush and I guessed that I could add

talent here and take my QBs on the following round, so I drafted

Dominic Rhodes and Donte Stallworth. Pretty solid RB/WR/TE now

Rounds 9/10 - I tried to move up here or add an additional pick so that I could

draft Warner/Leinart in round nine. That was thwarted by Bri taking

Leinart at 8-8. My assement at 9-12 was that without Leinart,Warner

would last, so I took Jay Cutler alone (knowing that Plummer would)

and Joey Galloway.

Rounds 11/12 - Thankfully correct in my assesment of the draft so I scooped up

Warner and Plummer here.

Rounds 13/14 - Carolina Panthers DST fit the plan perfectly and I see them being

a top DST for several years. Took a spec on rook Greg Jennings

since Twilight had bagged Santonio Holmes just 4 picks earlier

Rounds 15/16 - Charlie Frye and David Akers - felt with Warner's situation I need

a third QB - plus Frye may develop even further this year and next

Rounds 17/18 - Joe Klopfenstein, rookie TE for the Rams and new HC Linehan may

turn out to be much more than a backup and Ladell Betts

Rounds 19/20 - Tried to add more depth and perhaps even trade value by getting

another RB and WR and sticking with one kicker and one defense

for now. Added Duce Staley and teammate Cedric Wilson

Draft Assesment - Given the best ball format, I like this team. Should have plenty of scoring from Warner/Plummer/Frye at QB three different bye weeks. RB won't be the best, but the combination of Barber/Foster/Rhodes/Staley should be very solid. If Maroney and Betts contribute a few weeks even better. WR should be very good with Wayne/Chambers/Galloway/Stallworth/Wilson. TE Crumpler/Klop

will be fine and could be a plus. Akers and Carolina D top five in any scoring system and both have week nine bye so I can suppplement if I choose too/need to. All in all I think a very good team for this year with Cutler/Maroney/Jennings and perhaps even JoeK ready for bigger roles in the near future. B+

 

[Family Matters]

I wanted to make a comment about the draft. As an observation, I was a little surprised that defenses were left undarfted. I know in many dynasty drafts it's not uncommon to wait on defenses. But the value of defenses in this scoring systems suggests a different tact. There were several defenses that score in the RB1/WR1 range. And yet most team only drafted 1 defense. So I was surprised to see the Patriots, Philly still on the board with 9 teams only having 2 defenses. In this format (best ball) you might get 12-15 points per game just on defense alone.

I'd be interested in hearing what the rest of you thought.

 

[Capt Hook]

I wanted to make a comment about the draft. As an observation, I was a little surprised that defenses were left undarfted. I know in many dynasty drafts it's not uncommon to wait on defenses. But the value of defenses in this scoring systems suggests a different tact. There were several defenses that score in the RB1/WR1 range. And yet most team only drafted 1 defense. So I was surprised to see the Patriots, Philly still on the board with 9 teams only having 2 defenses. In this format (best ball) you might get 12-15 points per game just on defense alone.

I'd be interested in hearing what the rest of you thought.

Michael your point about the scoring is correct, BUT1) There is FA - so we can add (especially if some picks lose value)

2) For some of us as I said above, it's a luxury - drafting 12th not 1st and then being behind an extra first round pick, I thought I needed to draft more RB/WR to be able to compete and would thus rely on one good DST

3) I haven't looked at the final rosters from the draft, but it seemed like many teams were drafting only one kicker or defense probably for the same reasons, but again those teams can always add a second one later

 

[radballs]

I wanted to make a comment about the draft. As an observation, I was a little surprised that defenses were left undarfted. I know in many dynasty drafts it's not uncommon to wait on defenses. But the value of defenses in this scoring systems suggests a different tact. There were several defenses that score in the RB1/WR1 range. And yet most team only drafted 1 defense. So I was surprised to see the Patriots, Philly still on the board with 9 teams only having 2 defenses. In this format (best ball) you might get 12-15 points per game just on defense alone.

I'd be interested in hearing what the rest of you thought.

Michael your point about the scoring is correct, BUT1) There is FA - so we can add (especially if some picks lose value)

2) For some of us as I said above, it's a luxury - drafting 12th not 1st and then being behind an extra first round pick, I thought I needed to draft more RB/WR to be able to compete and would thus rely on one good DST

3) I haven't looked at the final rosters from the draft, but it seemed like many teams were drafting only one kicker or defense probably for the same reasons, but again those teams can always add a second one later

20 rounds is just too few to take two defenses and two kickers given the other roster requirements. I just figured I'd get one of each and then maybe cut a player or two later. If this draft had been 24+ rounds, I bet every defense would be off the board.

 

[David Yudkin]

Yudkin's Initial Thoughts

My overall drafting strategy was to find decent value at key spots and not worry too much about age unless there was someone just about out the door (say like CuMart). In the keeper/dynasty leagues I've been in, most of the time other owners loaded up on younger, unproven players and let established guys fall that still had 5-6 decent years in them. My credo has been 1) you can only win the year you are actually playing in on that given day and 2) if you win this year (or next year), you recoup your money and can play for free for quite a few years.

I also am a firm believer that guys that play have more value than guys that sit and need to develop, especially in best ball formats as they could see action in any given week.

I also draft looking more at PPG numbers than straight rankings or previous results, so that could explain why I am higher or lower on some players.

QB:

Leftwich, Byron JAC QB - 6 9.02

Rivers, Philip SDC QB - 3 10.11

Bledsoe, Drew DAL QB - 3 11.02

As I expected, I felt there would not be a lot of early clamoring for QB and there would be plenty of them that would fall and be good value. That was proven and ten some, as we did not even draft all the starting QB in the league. Leftwich has been improving each year and has had a decent weekly scoring average. Others may not have taken him that high, but I was concerned that drafting near the turn a run on QB could have stuck me with someone a lot further down the peching order. Of course, a few days later Jimmsy Smith retired and Leftwich's short termvalue took a hit. I still think that with more expreience and a running game that has been pretty average that JAX will evolve into more of a passing team.

I do know a handful of people that follow the Chargers pretty closely, and they and I feel that Rivers will do as well as Brees if not better. He knows the offense, the offensive scheme, coaching, and players have remained mostly constant, and look at how some of the other QB have done after sitting to learn the offense in recent years (Culpepper, Brady, Palmer). Whether that works out or not is still an unknown, but IMO Rivers has better tools than Brees did and a stronger arm to throw some deeper routes and open up the field some. He may end up in the range I drafted him this year (18th), but I would say his upside even this year is a lot higher and he should be a QB1 next year once he gets his feet wet.

As I see it, Bledsoe has a legit chance to be a Top 5 QB this year and next. He ranked 7th in this format withot T.O., and I suspect that with Owens he will score another 50-75 and push into the Top 3-5 range. He's mostly durable (played in all 16 games 6 of the past 7 years) and if the OL holds up he could be lethal.

Overall, three guys that could have some big scoring weeks, with the only one with health issues being Leftwich. I doubt QB scoring will be an issue for me this season barring injuries.

Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB - 3 1.02

Davis, Domanick HOU RB - 5 2.11

Taylor, Chester MIN RB - 6 3.02

Moore, Mewelde MIN RB - 6 13.02

Griffin, Quentin KCC RB - 3 18.11

Brown, Dee KCC RB - 3 19.02

I wanted three decent receiving backs and felt I needed to get them early. LT was an obvious choice and it really was a choice between him, SA, and Portis. Given what LT scores in this format and him being a couple years younger than Alexander, he was the pick.

I debated between DDavis and Westbrook, and the vote of confidence in the Texans NOT taking Reggie Bush tipped the scales for me. Of course, that was before it came out that Davis has had some minor complications from knee surgery, but what can you do. Based on PPG, David has been Top 5 to Top 10 every year so far since becoming a starter. With (hopefully) an improved offensive scheme, David again should do well.

As for Taylor, as I have said many times I think he is Top 10 material playing behind a 4-time Pro Bowl C (Birk), a 3-time Pro Bowl G (Hutchinson), and a 2-time Pro Bowl FB (Richardson) with one of the best blocking TE in Kleinsasser. I think Taylor will get 275 carries and another 50+ receptions, and in this format would rank him Top 10.

In my mind, that's three Top 10 RB for next year (at least on paper). I added Moore as he is the only other real RB option in MIN and could see some passes his way if they use him on third downs.

As for Griffin and Brown, I suspect Holmes is done in KC, leaving these two as backups. Given the number of plays that Edwards will call for RB, there is no way Larry Johnson will get them all, so the #2 guy could see an occasional week of decent RB3 production. And if Johnson ever missed a game, we've seen how well backups can do in KC. I don't plan on either of these guys doing anything, and they are also good guys to jettison for free agents or drops in future seasons. If Johnson were to go down, I could easily see another guy with Top 10 potential in the weeks Johnson were out (again, provided Holmes calls it a day).

Clayton, Michael TBB WR - 4 7.02

Mason, Derrick BAL WR - 7 8.11

Kennison, Eddie KCC WR - 3 12.11

Rogers, Charles DET WR - 8 14.11

Jenkins, Michael ATL WR - 5 16.11

Battle, Arnaz SFO WR - 7 17.02

In going RB-RB-RB-TE-TE-TE, I made a calculated decision to have to skimp on WR production. However, by math math and analysis, other than the top tier of WR, there is more scoring to be had at the other positions with plenty of WR available that score in a pretty narrow bandwidth. The name of the game is scoring the most points, and IMO better scoring potential game from positions other than WR.

I have followed the TB WR situation pretty closely the past couple of years, and I think people are missing the boat on Clayton. He had a diverse array of nagging injuries last year but none that were really major. That was a primary reason why Galloway had the year he did, but I suspect that Clayton will return to rookie form and Galloway will drop off quite a bit. In this format, Clayton had the 5th best season for a rookie ever. He also had the third most receptions for a rookie WR. He should return to fantasy WR1 status this year or next with Galloway almost old enough to collect Social Security.

Mason is a lock to be consistent. He could get 80 catches with my grandmother at QB. Given the number of passes he catches, I can't see him not being in the Top 15-20 WR. I really don't know how he fell all the way to WR31 in the draft. If McNair comes to BAL, I can see Mason in the Top 10.

Kennison is another guy that everyone lets slide and always does better than his draft spot. He'll never be a Top 10 guy, but he usually will slot in the Top 15-25. KC still has not shown that they have another WR that will impact his numbers. As the #48 WR selected, he's a steal at that spot with just a couple more seasons at or near what he's done the past few years. Eben with 10 seasons under his belt, he's only 32 and we've seen that WR can be productive even at 35 and 36 these days.

Those are the three guys I see scoring for me to basically fill 2 WR slots. I doubt the others will factor in very often, as I see my team using the two flew spots at RB and TE.

As for the other WR, I've played the Charlie Brown trying to kick the football game with Lucy as the holder with Charles Rogers ever since he came into the league. I've had him in multiple leagues ever year and couldn't pass on him again this time around. If he can get his act together in a Martz system, he could be a big producer. I'm not suggesting he will do anything at all and am not counting on him to even play (he could be cut), so he's a mid round flyer for me. If he pans out, great, if not I won't sweat it.

Jenkins and Battle are both slotted to be starters and are both young enough that they could develop. I also have little hope that ATL turns into IND, but Jenkins might be able to post WR3 numbers. Battle did quite well early in the season last year before getting hurt, and I suspect that SF will be playing catch up and airing it out a lot this year. I'm hoping for a couple of garbage time TDs or receptions in games that are already over except for the final score. Some places have Battle listed as the WR1 in SF, and originally the 49ers felt Bryant had stone hands and dropped too many balls to sign him. I also don't hold out hope that Battle can put up anything better than WR3 numbers, but San Fran really does not have a lot of WR options behind him with Woods out of the picture. Sometimes starters on crappy teams that have to pass a lot turn into decent fantasy players (Boldin and Bennett come to mind).

Gonzalez, Tony KCC TE - 3 4.11

Heap, Todd BAL TE - 7 5.02

Witten, Jason DAL TE - 3 6.11

Here's where the strategy portion of the program comes into play. By my analysis, the first and second tier in this format have historically been worth far more than some peole have given credit for. Looking back at 2005, seven of the Top 40 scorers overall were tight ends. When you stop and consider that 15 QB ranked in the Top 40, that means that 7 of the Top 25 non-QB scorers were tight ends. More on this later . . .

Tony G. has been a stud for years, and his main downfall last year was his lack of TD. He's still going to get 70 receptions a year and at 30 will probably get 900 yards receiving for a few more years.

Some may be surprised that Heap has been a Top 3 tight end 3 times already in his brief career. While he may not be in the Gates/Gonzo class, he's not chopped liver. He's still a fixture in the BAL passing attack, and I doubt he will take a major dip in production.

I struggled in taking Witten, as I see the Cowboys offense migrating away from him in the overall scheme of things. I suspect he will get fewer yards and fewer TD, but he should still get 60-70 receptions. I see him as the underneath/safety valve guy for Bledsoe, not a primary target as in season's past.

As for the value of TE, any one of these guys would have ranked as a Top 10 RB or WR last year. Witten was the lowest scoring of the three, and his 237 points wuld have ranked him as the #8 RB or as the #10 WR.

Kasay, John CAR PK - 9 20.11

He's a kicker. And Mike Herman has him ranked #2 next year. I have no faith in kickers to begin with, and while not quite a dime a dozen I can't really get excited over any of them one way or another. They defeinetly matter--but figure out beforehand who will be a high scorer is next to impossible IMO.

Buccaneers, Tampa Bay TBB Def - 4 15.02

TB usually has a decent defense. I'm sure I'll add another somewhere down the line.

Overall, in looking at 2006, I see me having a lock Top 10 at QB in Bledsoe and the equivalent of 6 guys that will provided Top 10 RB scoring (as outlined above) in LT, Davis, Taylor, Gonzo, Heap, and Witten. Between Clayton, Mason, and Kennison, I should at least get decent WR2 production from all of them.

With bye weeks, lower scoring weeks, and the ability to only start 5 of the 6 RB and TE, I see consistent top 5 QB scoring, 5 guys with Top 5 RB scoring (again in some combo of RB and TE production), 2 guys each week with Top 15-20 WR scoring, a decent defense and a body at kicker.

I like my chances for putting up some decent scoring from week to week. Whether the strategy and analysis pays off is another thing. As for 2007 amd beyond, I only have a couple of players on the wrong side of 30, so I should get 3-4 goodyears from most guys before I really have to worry about reloading.

 

[ravnzfan]

Team Ravnzfan...our goal in this draft was to build a solid, young core (RB1-2, WR1, TE1) that would have us competitive from year 1 and for several years.

Results were OK, as once again I've put myself in a bit of a QB situation...the beauty of "best ball" format is that w/3 starting QB's, you don't need to have Manning or Palmer at the helm. My squad:

QB...Green (11.3) Brunell (13.3) Campbell (16.10) Losman (20.10)

This group will require an infusion of youth, and soon, but should keep me in games this year. I wouldn't expect more from a position I didn't address until the 11th round.

RB...Portis (1.3) KJones (3.3) Gore (6.10) FTaylor (8.10) Duckett (9.3) Calhoun (12.10)

In our format, up to 4RB's can score...I expect my flex scoring to come from this position most weeks, as Gore and/or Freddie should be able to hold their own against some of the WR's/TE's others are counting on in this position.

I skipped over Alexander @1.3 for Portis based on the age difference (4 yrs), loss of Hutch from Sea O-line and the fact that Alexander has nowhere to go but down from record setting TD run he had last year. Portis numbers increased after a year in Gibbs system, and I expect this offense to roll this year ( of note, the 5 Wash position players rostered).

I am intrigued by KJ in a Martz system...while there is little question the passing numbers should be there for Det this year, I do also expect the TD total for Jones to go up due to increased red zone opportunity

WR...Boldin (2.10) Ward (5.10) Coles (7.3) JJurevisious (14.10) ARandel-El (19.10)

I like this group, headed by 25 yr old Boldin, who can post to 300 points in this scoring system...AZ will throw, and often, w/Boldin seeing potential 100 grab years for the next few seasons.

Super Bowl MVP...I just love this guy, despite the colors he wears--he is welcome in my town any time....oh, and I think Ben gets to toss the rock around alittle more than last year, with Ward WR1=more opportunity

The other 3 will have their moments, led by Coles who can't wait to play for no more than 2 QB's this year!

TE...Cooley (4.10) Marcedes Lewis (10.10)

Good, young TE core here will be a part of this team for a long time.

Cooley seemed to really bond later in the year w/Brunell, and hopefully carries that over to the start of this season.

Lewis has been catching everything in site during his first rookie camp, and with Jimmy Smith retired, will see increased opportunity to produce from week 1

D...Balt (15.3) Jax (19.3)

homer pick?

"guilty, your Honor!"

that said, consider:

after a terrible start last year (D31 after 2 weeks), the Raven-D finished in the top half (14 in my dynasty league scoring) and is typically a top 5 defense year-in and year-out...taken as D7, I found it to have some value

Jax-D...HC DelRio is familiar, and has a top 10 type scoring unit here

I felt with 2 top-10 units, I had the potential to out distance the field w/a position most guys "punt" on, softening the blow of the weaker QB scoring I'll endure

K...Vandy (17.3)

I was only taking one, so I wanted a decent one who knows?

Buyers remorse:

9.3 Duckett, when 9.4 was Reggie Brown

Brown would have been a better pick for this team long term over RB5 Duckett, who is a FA next year and is a ??? situation...

...but damn, 27 TD's the last 3 years was hard to pass up!

 

[Family Matters]

Knowing I had the first pick made my first selection easy, LJ or LT. LT has the proven track record and is awesome in the PPR formats as he is very involved in the passing game. LJ, while less involved in the passing game, is likely going to have more yards and TD's based on their respective systems. Can't go wrong either way. LJ gets a slight edge as he's younger.

When the opportunity to trade up and gain another first round pick presented itself I decided to jump. What everyone looks for in a highly competitive league like this is an Edge. Or in this case and Alexander. At the time I made the trade with Rads I didn't know Alexander would be there. I was beginning to think I made a mistake. Rads strategy of gaining more quality picks in a deep RB draft was looking good. At least until Bri was up at 1.5. He was more than willing to take my 2007 first rounder to move me up to 1.5. So I took Alexander. I was shocked he was there but I guess people feel he's too old for this format. Get real folks. He'll be 29 this year. He should have 2-3 more solid years before the drop off.

At this point I'm really liking my situation. I've got 2 of 3 top RB's. This is what everyone hopes for and I like it alot. Now, just don't screw up and I should be very competitive for several years.

Let me share my original plan. I was going to take LJ 1.1 and Gates 2.12, if he was still there. In fact I was thinking of trading up in the 2nd to do so because I knew Rads liked him too. Then back to RB and then wr, wr, qb. But that changed with the 2 trades in round 1. Guess you can't everything.

1.1: LJ

1.5: Alexander

3.1: Westbrook. In this format Westbrook is very good. Yudkins mentioned he liked him or Davis and decided Davis was the one. I felt the same and took what was left. I'm surprised he was even there however. This may have been the leagues biggest mistake was letting me get Westbrook to go with the 2 I already had. And I can start him as a flex in this league so it's real nice to have 3 top 10 RB's to start with.

5.1 D.Jackson. Jackson has always been underrated. As the 15th WR off the board he is once again a nice value. He will likely be a top 10 WR as usual at least on a PPG basis. So if healthy a full 16 games he's top 10 for sure. Anyway a nice start to my WR's.

6.12 Bulger. Normally I would of wanted Palmer as my QB but my first round moves made that dream go away. So I was planning for what Hook did. Plummer-Warner-Cutler. But Bulger presented to good of an opportunity to pass up. In a bestball format and combined with other QB's he's golden on a PPG basis.

7.1 L.J.Smith. Now I had hoped to land one of the big name TE's. Gates or Gonzo and then Shocley but that didn't happen so I settled. But not too bad, In a PPR format LJ is top 5 material. In fact last year he trending top 3 until McNabb became injured and the playcalling went to hell. So I may be strong here as well.

Quarterback:

Bulger

Roethlisberger

Favre

With this group I could easily be top 3 week in and week out. Both Bulger and Ben are good and young, Favre may have 1 or 2 years but it should be pretty good. I will need to add depth later.

Runningback:

LJ

Alexander

Westbrook

Davenport

R.Williams

Without question a solid group that will anchor this team. Davenport has a chance at starting or getting significant carries. Ricky should provide some value for a couple of years if he makes it back. Excellent young group that should be set for years.

Wide Receiver:

Jackson

Porter

Muhammad

Engram

Toomer

McCareins

Not the stregth of my team but ahould provide decent scoring most weeks. Some aging vets will need replaced in the next 2-3 years likely. I will be on the lookout for opportunities to improve this group.

Tight End:

L.J.Smith

Pollard

Scheffler

LJ is young enough and a solid player but Pollard is aging and will need replaced as this could be his last year. I don't know what Scheffler brings but we will see as he will be given opportunities early in Denver.

Kicker:

Rackers is solid and young. I will add another kicker too.

Defense:

Pittsburg

New England

Defenses will score high in this format and I was surprised to find New England on the board with the last pick of the draft. It was a nice find for me.

So a team that is built to win today but has nice core of younf talent to last for years. Looking back I feel it mnay be one of the best drafts I've ever had. This team should be competitive now and in the future and as always barring injury of course.

 

[David Yudkin]

Defenses will score high in this format and I was surprised to find New England on the board with the last pick of the draft. It was a nice find for me.

This has been a theme from you of late, and I think the majority of people would rather have had more players than defenses as of May. Given the limited roster space, there is not enough free space to carry extra defenses. That's part of why I didn't want to expand the rosters unless we really expanded the rosters so we could carry a lot more future prospects.As it stands now, stocking up on the future will be tough to do, and extra defenses will probably be a luxury. Even so, beyond last year's Top 12 defenses, the difference between #13 and #29 was less than 2 points per game. Picking up another defense is but a waiver claim away and they are almost interchangable at this point. Predicting who the good ones will be is always a daunting task.Once we get closer to the start of the season, it's a good bet that teams will dump someone that looks to be buried on the depth chart or someone that gets hurt. Give each team another defense--all of comparible quality--and I don't see much changing at all in the standings based on anything other than luck in terms of how your two defenses score from week to week.

 

[Capt Hook]

Defenses will score high in this format and I was surprised to find New England on the board with the last pick of the draft. It was a nice find for me.

This has been a theme from you of late, and I think the majority of people would rather have had more players than defenses as of May. Given the limited roster space, there is not enough free space to carry extra defenses. That's part of why I didn't want to expand the rosters unless we really expanded the rosters so we could carry a lot more future prospects.As it stands now, stocking up on the future will be tough to do, and extra defenses will probably be a luxury. Even so, beyond last year's Top 12 defenses, the difference between #13 and #29 was less than 2 points per game. Picking up another defense is but a waiver claim away and they are almost interchangable at this point. Predicting who the good ones will be is always a daunting task.

Once we get closer to the start of the season, it's a good bet that teams will dump someone that looks to be buried on the depth chart or someone that gets hurt. Give each team another defense--all of comparible quality--and I don't see much changing at all in the standings based on anything other than luck in terms of how your two defenses score from week to week.

 

[Team Legacy]

Defenses have feelings too...

I see nothing wrong with picking up a second defense.

That 1 EXTRA defense will MOST LIKELY have a BIGGER IMPACT than the players you picked in rounds 19-20.

Granted, you might miss out on a project contributing here and there, but chances are good that the EXTRA defense will come into play more often than the projects in 19 and 20.

Here they are...

19.01 217 Family Matters McCareins, Justin NYJ WR Tue May 16 8:01:37

19.02 218 David Yudkin Brown, Dee KCC RB Tue May 16 8:09:03 p.m.

19.05 221 Brian Moore Graham, Daniel NEP TE Tue May 16 8:25:53

19.08 224 Twilight Northcutt, Dennis CLE WR Tue May 16 8:25:53 p.m.

19.09 225 ffweasel Carter, Drew CAR WR Tue May 16 8:32:45 p.m. ET

19.11 227 Iwannabeacowboybaby Arrington, J.J. ARI RB Tue May 16

19.12 228 Capt. Hook Staley, Duce PIT RB Tue May 16 9:57:26 p.m. ET

20.01 229 Capt. Hook Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR Tue May 16 9:59:24 p.m.

20.02 230 Iwannabeacowboybaby Wells, Jonathan HOU RB Tue May 16

20.04 232 ffweasel Franks, Bubba GBP TE Tue May 16 10:20:51 p.m. ET

20.05 233 Twilight Stovall, Maurice TBB WR ® Wed May 17 3:04:36

20.10 238 Team Ravnzfan Losman, J.P. BUF QB Wed May 17 8:58:20

yuck.

Comparison: Take the Next Top 12 defenses on the board VERSUS these 12 players. I'll guarantee, the 12 defenses would COUNT FOR SCORE more often EACH YEAR than these 12.

17 Defenses drafted -

Top 12 remaining scored between 168 and 147.

That ranks as the 24th best QB.

That ranks between the top 20-25 RBs.

That ranks between the top 31-37 WRs.

That ranks between the top 13-15 TEs.

Does anyone think that any of those players drafted in rounds 19 and 20 will make ANY of the above lists?? If you're counting on a starter in 19 and 20, your team is in big trouble.

Just asking...

 

[David Yudkin]

Defenses have feelings too...

I see nothing wrong with picking up a second defense.

That 1 EXTRA defense will MOST LIKELY have a BIGGER IMPACT than the players you picked in rounds 19-20.

Granted, you might miss out on a project contributing here and there, but chances are good that the EXTRA defense will come into play more often than the projects in 19 and 20.

Here they are...

19.01 217 Family Matters McCareins, Justin NYJ WR Tue May 16 8:01:37

19.02 218 David Yudkin Brown, Dee KCC RB Tue May 16 8:09:03 p.m.

19.05 221 Brian Moore Graham, Daniel NEP TE Tue May 16 8:25:53

19.08 224 Twilight Northcutt, Dennis CLE WR Tue May 16 8:25:53 p.m.

19.09 225 ffweasel Carter, Drew CAR WR Tue May 16 8:32:45 p.m. ET

19.11 227 Iwannabeacowboybaby Arrington, J.J. ARI RB Tue May 16

19.12 228 Capt. Hook Staley, Duce PIT RB Tue May 16 9:57:26 p.m. ET

20.01 229 Capt. Hook Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR Tue May 16 9:59:24 p.m.

20.02 230 Iwannabeacowboybaby Wells, Jonathan HOU RB Tue May 16

20.04 232 ffweasel Franks, Bubba GBP TE Tue May 16 10:20:51 p.m. ET

20.05 233 Twilight Stovall, Maurice TBB WR ® Wed May 17 3:04:36

20.10 238 Team Ravnzfan Losman, J.P. BUF QB Wed May 17 8:58:20

yuck.

Just because we didn't DRAFT a defense does not mean we will not HAVE another defense.

 

[ravnzfan]

Defenses have feelings too...

20.10 238 Team Ravnzfan Losman, J.P. BUF QB Wed May 17 8:58:20

yuck.

let it be noted that 19.03 was indeed JAX-D, before we added QB4 Loss-man!different strokes, and all that--I think landing 2-top 10 D's with the D/ST scoring in this league puts you a leg up, as D scoring can be pretty irratic (all the more reason to have 2 decent ones, IMO)

 

[Team Legacy]

Defenses have feelings too...

I see nothing wrong with picking up a second defense.

That 1 EXTRA defense will MOST LIKELY have a BIGGER IMPACT than the players you picked in rounds 19-20.

Granted, you might miss out on a project contributing here and there, but chances are good that the EXTRA defense will come into play more often than the projects in 19 and 20.

Here they are...

19.01 217 Family Matters McCareins, Justin NYJ WR Tue May 16 8:01:37

19.02 218 David Yudkin Brown, Dee KCC RB Tue May 16 8:09:03 p.m.

19.05 221 Brian Moore Graham, Daniel NEP TE Tue May 16 8:25:53 

19.08 224 Twilight Northcutt, Dennis CLE WR Tue May 16 8:25:53 p.m.

19.09 225 ffweasel Carter, Drew CAR WR Tue May 16 8:32:45 p.m. ET

19.11 227 Iwannabeacowboybaby Arrington, J.J. ARI RB Tue May 16

19.12 228 Capt. Hook Staley, Duce PIT RB Tue May 16 9:57:26 p.m. ET

20.01 229 Capt. Hook Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR Tue May 16 9:59:24 p.m.

20.02 230 Iwannabeacowboybaby Wells, Jonathan HOU RB Tue May 16

20.04 232 ffweasel Franks, Bubba GBP TE Tue May 16 10:20:51 p.m. ET

20.05 233 Twilight Stovall, Maurice TBB WR ®  Wed May 17 3:04:36

20.10 238 Team Ravnzfan Losman, J.P. BUF QB Wed May 17 8:58:20

yuck.

Just because we didn't DRAFT a defense does not mean we will not HAVE another defense.

Have at it, you won't have the Bengals, I made sure of it, which was my point. How long are you goin to wait?

 

[ffweasel]

Defenses have feelings too...

I see nothing wrong with picking up a second defense.

That 1 EXTRA defense will MOST LIKELY have a BIGGER IMPACT than the players you picked in rounds 19-20.

Granted, you might miss out on a project contributing here and there, but chances are good that the EXTRA defense will come into play more often than the projects in 19 and 20.

Here they are...

19.01 217 Family Matters McCareins, Justin NYJ WR Tue May 16 8:01:37

19.02 218 David Yudkin Brown, Dee KCC RB Tue May 16 8:09:03 p.m.

19.05 221 Brian Moore Graham, Daniel NEP TE Tue May 16 8:25:53

19.08 224 Twilight Northcutt, Dennis CLE WR Tue May 16 8:25:53 p.m.

19.09 225 ffweasel Carter, Drew CAR WR Tue May 16 8:32:45 p.m. ET

19.11 227 Iwannabeacowboybaby Arrington, J.J. ARI RB Tue May 16

19.12 228 Capt. Hook Staley, Duce PIT RB Tue May 16 9:57:26 p.m. ET

20.01 229 Capt. Hook Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR Tue May 16 9:59:24 p.m.

20.02 230 Iwannabeacowboybaby Wells, Jonathan HOU RB Tue May 16

20.04 232 ffweasel Franks, Bubba GBP TE Tue May 16 10:20:51 p.m. ET

20.05 233 Twilight Stovall, Maurice TBB WR ® Wed May 17 3:04:36

20.10 238 Team Ravnzfan Losman, J.P. BUF QB Wed May 17 8:58:20

yuck.

Just because we didn't DRAFT a defense does not mean we will not HAVE another defense.

 

[David Yudkin]

Defenses have feelings too...

I see nothing wrong with picking up a second defense.

That 1 EXTRA defense will MOST LIKELY have a BIGGER IMPACT than the players you picked in rounds 19-20.

Granted, you might miss out on a project contributing here and there, but chances are good that the EXTRA defense will come into play more often than the projects in 19 and 20.

Here they are...

19.01 217 Family Matters McCareins, Justin NYJ WR Tue May 16 8:01:37

19.02 218 David Yudkin Brown, Dee KCC RB Tue May 16 8:09:03 p.m.

19.05 221 Brian Moore Graham, Daniel NEP TE Tue May 16 8:25:53 

19.08 224 Twilight Northcutt, Dennis CLE WR Tue May 16 8:25:53 p.m.

19.09 225 ffweasel Carter, Drew CAR WR Tue May 16 8:32:45 p.m. ET

19.11 227 Iwannabeacowboybaby Arrington, J.J. ARI RB Tue May 16

19.12 228 Capt. Hook Staley, Duce PIT RB Tue May 16 9:57:26 p.m. ET

20.01 229 Capt. Hook Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR Tue May 16 9:59:24 p.m.

20.02 230 Iwannabeacowboybaby Wells, Jonathan HOU RB Tue May 16

20.04 232 ffweasel Franks, Bubba GBP TE Tue May 16 10:20:51 p.m. ET

20.05 233 Twilight Stovall, Maurice TBB WR ®  Wed May 17 3:04:36

20.10 238 Team Ravnzfan Losman, J.P. BUF QB Wed May 17 8:58:20

yuck.

Just because we didn't DRAFT a defense does not mean we will not HAVE another defense.

Have at it, you won't have the Bengals, I made sure of it, which was my point. How long are you goin to wait?

9/1. Sooner if one jumps out at me.I researched defenses before. I found that each year a third of top 10 defenses ranked in the top 10 the following year, a third ranked in 10-20, and a third were not in the top 20. The ratios were the same for middle third and bottom third defenses. Bottom line, I could not find much consistency in scoring among defenses from year to year.

As far as I see it, even poor defenses are suitable second defenses, and of the ones that are left I can't say that any of them are fantastic or horrendous.

 

[Family Matters]

Defenses have feelings too...

I see nothing wrong with picking up a second defense.

That 1 EXTRA defense will MOST LIKELY have a BIGGER IMPACT than the players you picked in rounds 19-20.

Granted, you might miss out on a project contributing here and there, but chances are good that the EXTRA defense will come into play more often than the projects in 19 and 20.

Here they are...

19.01 217 Family Matters McCareins, Justin NYJ WR Tue May 16 8:01:37

19.02 218 David Yudkin Brown, Dee KCC RB Tue May 16 8:09:03 p.m.

19.05 221 Brian Moore Graham, Daniel NEP TE Tue May 16 8:25:53 

19.08 224 Twilight Northcutt, Dennis CLE WR Tue May 16 8:25:53 p.m.

19.09 225 ffweasel Carter, Drew CAR WR Tue May 16 8:32:45 p.m. ET

19.11 227 Iwannabeacowboybaby Arrington, J.J. ARI RB Tue May 16

19.12 228 Capt. Hook Staley, Duce PIT RB Tue May 16 9:57:26 p.m. ET

20.01 229 Capt. Hook Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR Tue May 16 9:59:24 p.m.

20.02 230 Iwannabeacowboybaby Wells, Jonathan HOU RB Tue May 16

20.04 232 ffweasel Franks, Bubba GBP TE Tue May 16 10:20:51 p.m. ET

20.05 233 Twilight Stovall, Maurice TBB WR ®  Wed May 17 3:04:36

20.10 238 Team Ravnzfan Losman, J.P. BUF QB Wed May 17 8:58:20

yuck.

Just because we didn't DRAFT a defense does not mean we will not HAVE another defense.

Have at it, you won't have the Bengals, I made sure of it, which was my point. How long are you goin to wait?

This is what I was getting at. I took the Pats at 20.12. They've been known to have some good D's the last few years. Players being drafted in the 19th and 20th are sleepers at best. Having 2 "good" D's is likely going to do more for a team than all those other sleeper picks. And in this format you stand a better chance of getting top notch scoring because you don't have to guess which one it is each week. I got the Pats because everyone else went fishing for sleepers. I ended up with what has been a proven D over the last 5 years. I like knowing they can contribute. I like knowing I'm getting that kind of value in the 20th round.

The teams that are still in need of a D will have to hope they can find it in the remaining bottom dwellers. And I di believe you can find a few teams that regularly produce good defensive points. Teams like TB, Pitts, Balt and NE are yearly top 5 D's most seasons. So I like my odds with Pitts/NE.

 

[ffweasel]

I think some are seriously placing too much value in drafting their second defense in the 20th round as opposed to picking one up later in free agency. The difference is marginal at best.

 

[Team Legacy]

Defenses have feelings too...

I see nothing wrong with picking up a second defense.

That 1 EXTRA defense will MOST LIKELY have a BIGGER IMPACT than the players you picked in rounds 19-20.

Granted, you might miss out on a project contributing here and there, but chances are good that the EXTRA defense will come into play more often than the projects in 19 and 20.

Here they are...

19.01 217 Family Matters McCareins, Justin NYJ WR Tue May 16 8:01:37

19.02 218 David Yudkin Brown, Dee KCC RB Tue May 16 8:09:03 p.m.

19.05 221 Brian Moore Graham, Daniel NEP TE Tue May 16 8:25:53 

19.08 224 Twilight Northcutt, Dennis CLE WR Tue May 16 8:25:53 p.m.

19.09 225 ffweasel Carter, Drew CAR WR Tue May 16 8:32:45 p.m. ET

19.11 227 Iwannabeacowboybaby Arrington, J.J. ARI RB Tue May 16

19.12 228 Capt. Hook Staley, Duce PIT RB Tue May 16 9:57:26 p.m. ET

20.01 229 Capt. Hook Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR Tue May 16 9:59:24 p.m.

20.02 230 Iwannabeacowboybaby Wells, Jonathan HOU RB Tue May 16

20.04 232 ffweasel Franks, Bubba GBP TE Tue May 16 10:20:51 p.m. ET

20.05 233 Twilight Stovall, Maurice TBB WR ®  Wed May 17 3:04:36

20.10 238 Team Ravnzfan Losman, J.P. BUF QB Wed May 17 8:58:20

yuck.

Just because we didn't DRAFT a defense does not mean we will not HAVE another defense.

Have at it, you won't have the Bengals, I made sure of it, which was my point. How long are you goin to wait?

9/1. Sooner if one jumps out at me.I researched defenses before. I found that each year a third of top 10 defenses ranked in the top 10 the following year, a third ranked in 10-20, and a third were not in the top 20. The ratios were the same for middle third and bottom third defenses. Bottom line, I could not find much consistency in scoring among defenses from year to year.

As far as I see it, even poor defenses are suitable second defenses, and of the ones that are left I can't say that any of them are fantastic or horrendous.

Solid point here. I can see that logic. That's why I'm glad to be part of this group, we can share ideas.

 

[David Yudkin]

Defenses have feelings too...

I see nothing wrong with picking up a second defense.

That 1 EXTRA defense will MOST LIKELY have a BIGGER IMPACT than the players you picked in rounds 19-20.

Granted, you might miss out on a project contributing here and there, but chances are good that the EXTRA defense will come into play more often than the projects in 19 and 20.

Here they are...

19.01 217 Family Matters McCareins, Justin NYJ WR Tue May 16 8:01:37

19.02 218 David Yudkin Brown, Dee KCC RB Tue May 16 8:09:03 p.m.

19.05 221 Brian Moore Graham, Daniel NEP TE Tue May 16 8:25:53 

19.08 224 Twilight Northcutt, Dennis CLE WR Tue May 16 8:25:53 p.m.

19.09 225 ffweasel Carter, Drew CAR WR Tue May 16 8:32:45 p.m. ET

19.11 227 Iwannabeacowboybaby Arrington, J.J. ARI RB Tue May 16

19.12 228 Capt. Hook Staley, Duce PIT RB Tue May 16 9:57:26 p.m. ET

20.01 229 Capt. Hook Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR Tue May 16 9:59:24 p.m.

20.02 230 Iwannabeacowboybaby Wells, Jonathan HOU RB Tue May 16

20.04 232 ffweasel Franks, Bubba GBP TE Tue May 16 10:20:51 p.m. ET

20.05 233 Twilight Stovall, Maurice TBB WR ®  Wed May 17 3:04:36

20.10 238 Team Ravnzfan Losman, J.P. BUF QB Wed May 17 8:58:20

yuck.

Just because we didn't DRAFT a defense does not mean we will not HAVE another defense.

Have at it, you won't have the Bengals, I made sure of it, which was my point. How long are you goin to wait?

This is what I was getting at. I took the Pats at 20.12. They've been known to have some good D's the last few years. Players being drafted in the 19th and 20th are sleepers at best. Having 2 "good" D's is likely going to do more for a team than all those other sleeper picks. And in this format you stand a better chance of getting top notch scoring because you don't have to guess which one it is each week. I got the Pats because everyone else went fishing for sleepers. I ended up with what has been a proven D over the last 5 years. I like knowing they can contribute. I like knowing I'm getting that kind of value in the 20th round.

The teams that are still in need of a D will have to hope they can find it in the remaining bottom dwellers. And I di believe you can find a few teams that regularly produce good defensive points. Teams like TB, Pitts, Balt and NE are yearly top 5 D's most seasons. So I like my odds with Pitts/NE.

Not to belabour the issue, but the Pats as a team have ranked:2005 17th in points allowed, 26th in yards allowed

2004 2nd in points allowed, 9th in yards allowed

2003 1st in points allowed, 7th in yards allowed

2002 17th in points allowed, 21st in yards allowed

2001 6th in points allowed, 24th in yards allowed

That's a shotgun blast if you ask me. IMO, NE will not make or break your team, and more power to you if they are again a top defenses for getting them late. But there are still other defenses that could easily outrank them (there are 10 of them still available that were better last year).

By comparison, the Top 16 defenses were taken in the draft. If you look back at the 2004 year-end rankings, the #1 team is still available and 3 of the top 8 defenses overall.

IMO, as you mentioned, other than PIT and TB, the defenses are tough to figure. Even BAL was not Top 10 last year.

 

[Family Matters]

Defenses have feelings too...

I see nothing wrong with picking up a second defense.

That 1 EXTRA defense will MOST LIKELY have a BIGGER IMPACT than the players you picked in rounds 19-20.

Granted, you might miss out on a project contributing here and there, but chances are good that the EXTRA defense will come into play more often than the projects in 19 and 20.

Here they are...

19.01 217 Family Matters McCareins, Justin NYJ WR Tue May 16 8:01:37

19.02 218 David Yudkin Brown, Dee KCC RB Tue May 16 8:09:03 p.m.

19.05 221 Brian Moore Graham, Daniel NEP TE Tue May 16 8:25:53 

19.08 224 Twilight Northcutt, Dennis CLE WR Tue May 16 8:25:53 p.m.

19.09 225 ffweasel Carter, Drew CAR WR Tue May 16 8:32:45 p.m. ET

19.11 227 Iwannabeacowboybaby Arrington, J.J. ARI RB Tue May 16

19.12 228 Capt. Hook Staley, Duce PIT RB Tue May 16 9:57:26 p.m. ET

20.01 229 Capt. Hook Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR Tue May 16 9:59:24 p.m.

20.02 230 Iwannabeacowboybaby Wells, Jonathan HOU RB Tue May 16

20.04 232 ffweasel Franks, Bubba GBP TE Tue May 16 10:20:51 p.m. ET

20.05 233 Twilight Stovall, Maurice TBB WR ®  Wed May 17 3:04:36

20.10 238 Team Ravnzfan Losman, J.P. BUF QB Wed May 17 8:58:20

yuck.

Just because we didn't DRAFT a defense does not mean we will not HAVE another defense.

Have at it, you won't have the Bengals, I made sure of it, which was my point. How long are you goin to wait?

This is what I was getting at. I took the Pats at 20.12. They've been known to have some good D's the last few years. Players being drafted in the 19th and 20th are sleepers at best. Having 2 "good" D's is likely going to do more for a team than all those other sleeper picks. And in this format you stand a better chance of getting top notch scoring because you don't have to guess which one it is each week. I got the Pats because everyone else went fishing for sleepers. I ended up with what has been a proven D over the last 5 years. I like knowing they can contribute. I like knowing I'm getting that kind of value in the 20th round.

The teams that are still in need of a D will have to hope they can find it in the remaining bottom dwellers. And I di believe you can find a few teams that regularly produce good defensive points. Teams like TB, Pitts, Balt and NE are yearly top 5 D's most seasons. So I like my odds with Pitts/NE.

Not to belabour the issue, but the Pats as a team have ranked:2005 17th in points allowed, 26th in yards allowed

2004 2nd in points allowed, 9th in yards allowed

2003 1st in points allowed, 7th in yards allowed

2002 17th in points allowed, 21st in yards allowed

2001 6th in points allowed, 24th in yards allowed

That's a shotgun blast if you ask me. IMO, NE will not make or break your team, and more power to you if they are again a top defenses for getting them late. But there are still other defenses that could easily outrank them (there are 10 of them still available that were better last year).

By comparison, the Top 16 defenses were taken in the draft. If you look back at the 2004 year-end rankings, the #1 team is still available and 3 of the top 8 defenses overall.

IMO, as you mentioned, other than PIT and TB, the defenses are tough to figure. Even BAL was not Top 10 last year.

You offer some good data except you're overlooking 1 thing. The fantasy numbers. That's the one that counts.In another league I play in that uses a similar scoring system here's the what has happened with TB, NE, Pitts and Balt in scoring:

N.E. 2005-23rd (#1 last 6 weeks after injured players returned). 2004-2nd, 2003-1st.

Balt 2005-15th (5th last 6 weeks), 2004-4th, 2003-2nd.

Pitts 2005-5th, 2004-4th, 2003-14th.

TB 2005-9th, 2004-8th, 2003-3rd.

So as you can see there has been some consistency. BTW-3 defenses scored in the top 20 in this other league last year. So defensed can be big and quite effective.

 

[radballs]

I think we might be talking about two different things with people understanding some of the league rules. IMO, it does not make much sense to carry more than 1 K or 1 DEF four months before the season starts. This allows you to take more flyers and hope for someone to truly develop during training camp.

Maybe a few people didn't know that we could make moves. I'm looking at it as though, if these had to be our fixed rosters, of course more defenses would be off the board. But, I'd much rather take a chance on Roddy White than worry about drafting my second defense so far in advance of the season starting. Once the season starts though, all bets are off. I will probably want to be carrying 2 K and 2 DEF week in and week out.

 

[Team Legacy]

I think we might be talking about two different things with people understanding some of the league rules. IMO, it does not make much sense to carry more than 1 K or 1 DEF four months before the season starts. This allows you to take more flyers and hope for someone to truly develop during training camp.

Maybe a few people didn't know that we could make moves. I'm looking at it as if these had to be our fixed rosters, of course more defenses would be off the board. But, I'd much rather take a chance on Roddy White than worry about drafting my second defense so far in advance of the season starting. Once the season starts though, all bets are off. I will probably want to be carrying 2 K and 2 DEF week in and week out.

This is a solid point also, which is the main reason I posed the question in the league chat whether free agency was allowed before the season started.

 

[Capt Hook]

I think we might be talking about two different things with people understanding some of the league rules. IMO, it does not make much sense to carry more than 1 K or 1 DEF four months before the season starts. This allows you to take more flyers and hope for someone to truly develop during training camp.

Maybe a few people didn't know that we could make moves. I'm looking at it as if these had to be our fixed rosters, of course more defenses would be off the board. But, I'd much rather take a chance on Roddy White than worry about drafting my second defense so far in advance of the season starting. Once the season starts though, all bets are off. I will probably want to be carrying 2 K and 2 DEF week in and week out.

This is a solid point also, which is the main reason I posed the question in the league chat whether free agency was allowed before the season started.

AND BY THE WAY, IMO FA SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWEDFrom the rules

Waivers - "During weeks 1-17 bidding periods will be allowed. The first begins..."

NOWHERE DOES IT SAY TEAMS CAN ACQUIRE FREE AGENTS BETWEEN NOW AND THE BEGGINING OF THE SEASON AND I EXPECT THESE RULES TO BE ENFORCED.

PVH

 

[radballs]

I think we might be talking about two different things with people understanding some of the league rules. IMO, it does not make much sense to carry more than 1 K or 1 DEF four months before the season starts. This allows you to take more flyers and hope for someone to truly develop during training camp.

Maybe a few people didn't know that we could make moves. I'm looking at it as if these had to be our fixed rosters, of course more defenses would be off the board. But, I'd much rather take a chance on Roddy White than worry about drafting my second defense so far in advance of the season starting. Once the season starts though, all bets are off. I will probably want to be carrying 2 K and 2 DEF week in and week out.

This is a solid point also, which is the main reason I posed the question in the league chat whether free agency was allowed before the season started.

This league is very unique which is cool and fun. Fairly low roster requirement which makes the strategy more interesting. I love to allow for as many players on my rosters to develop as possible. The smaller the roster size, the harder it is to allow for the development of players, let alone the ability to have depth at kicker and defense. I'm cool with everything but I was quite concerned when Mike was talking about larger roster sizes. We can go that way next year, but you can't do it in the middle of the draft.

 

[radballs]

I think we might be talking about two different things with people understanding some of the league rules. IMO, it does not make much sense to carry more than 1 K or 1 DEF four months before the season starts. This allows you to take more flyers and hope for someone to truly develop during training camp.

Maybe a few people didn't know that we could make moves. I'm looking at it as if these had to be our fixed rosters, of course more defenses would be off the board. But, I'd much rather take a chance on Roddy White than worry about drafting my second defense so far in advance of the season starting. Once the season starts though, all bets are off. I will probably want to be carrying 2 K and 2 DEF week in and week out.

This is a solid point also, which is the main reason I posed the question in the league chat whether free agency was allowed before the season started.

AND BY THE WAY, IMO FA SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWEDFrom the rules

Waivers - "During weeks 1-17 bidding periods will be allowed. The first begins..."

NOWHERE DOES IT SAY TEAMS CAN ACQUIRE FREE AGENTS BETWEEN NOW AND THE BEGGINING OF THE SEASON AND I EXPECT THESE RULES TO BE ENFORCED.

PVH

Very good point and I believe you're right. Maybe what I meant to say was allow players to develop and then I'll make roster moves after week 1. No point in carrying 2 kickers and 2 defenses prior to week one.

 

[David Yudkin]

3 defenses scored in the top 20 in this other league last year. So defenses can be big and quite effective.

I don't know the scoring system for this other league (heck, it might even be a league we were both in). However, here is how I look at most leagues. Leaving the best ball part out of the analysis because there is no great way to incorporate it . . .I look to set a value system based on how many of each position are most likely to start given the league starting requirements. In this league, things get a bit whacky because there are two flex spots, but I will make a guess that in most weeks, the league as a whole will score:12 QB, 36 RB, 32 WR, 16 TE, 12 PK, 12 DEF (roughly speaking)To make this simple, let's say that only the top scoring players in each position will ever score each week (yes, I know that's impossible).Looking at the scoring bandwidth of those positions based on last year's results . . .QB1 compared to QB 12 = +96 points scoredRB1 compared to RB36 = +256 points scoredWR1 compared to WR32 = +171 points scoredTE1 compared to TE16 = +202 points scoredPK1 compared to PK12 = +47 points scoredDEF1 compared to DEF12 = +62 points scoredIn the big overall scheme of things, this tells me that PK and DEF really are not going to make or break your team. When you consider that there is not a dramatic drop off from the next tier of PK or DEF, there is even less reason to invest heavily on those slots no matter where they rank in TOTAL points scored.In terms of TOTAL scoring in this format, Gus Frerotte was a Top 50 scorer last year. Yet he ranked as the #16 QB. How big of an investment should have been made in Frerotte--afterall, he was ranked as the #48 scorer. It's the RELATIVE scoring that is important, not the TOTAL socring.

 

[Team Legacy]

3 defenses scored in the top 20 in this other league last year. So defenses can be big and quite effective.

I don't know the scoring system for this other league (heck, it might even be a league we were both in). However, here is how I look at most leagues. Leaving the best ball part out of the analysis because there is no great way to incorporate it . . .I look to set a value system based on how many of each position are most likely to start given the league starting requirements. In this league, things get a bit whacky because there are two flex spots, but I will make a guess that in most weeks, the league as a whole will score:

12 QB, 36 RB, 32 WR, 16 TE, 12 PK, 12 DEF (roughly speaking)

To make this simple, let's say that only the top scoring players in each position will ever score each week (yes, I know that's impossible).

Looking at the scoring bandwidth of those positions based on last year's results . . .

QB1 compared to QB 12 = +96 points scored

RB1 compared to RB36 = +256 points scored

WR1 compared to WR32 = +171 points scored

TE1 compared to TE16 = +202 points scored

PK1 compared to PK12 = +47 points scored

DEF1 compared to DEF12 = +62 points scored

In the big overall scheme of things, this tells me that PK and DEF really are not going to make or break your team. When you consider that there is not a dramatic drop off from the next tier of PK or DEF, there is even less reason to invest heavily on those slots no matter where they rank in TOTAL points scored.

In terms of TOTAL scoring in this format, Gus Frerotte was a Top 50 scorer last year. Yet he ranked as the #16 QB. How big of an investment should have been made in Frerotte--afterall, he was ranked as the #48 scorer. It's the RELATIVE scoring that is important, not the TOTAL socring.

Good analysis.Relatively speaking then,

In the 19th and 20th round, how many "realative points" do you expect from those players? Do you think its more or less than the Defense will get you?

I'm just saying, good luck with those "Stockpiled and watching in camp" guys. I just don't see it, not in this league. I don't want 1 of those players on my team.

 

[David Yudkin]

I think we might be talking about two different things with people understanding some of the league rules. IMO, it does not make much sense to carry more than 1 K or 1 DEF four months before the season starts. This allows you to take more flyers and hope for someone to truly develop during training camp.

Maybe a few people didn't know that we could make moves. I'm looking at it as if these had to be our fixed rosters, of course more defenses would be off the board. But, I'd much rather take a chance on Roddy White than worry about drafting my second defense so far in advance of the season starting. Once the season starts though, all bets are off. I will probably want to be carrying 2 K and 2 DEF week in and week out.

This is a solid point also, which is the main reason I posed the question in the league chat whether free agency was allowed before the season started.

AND BY THE WAY, IMO FA SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWEDFrom the rules

Waivers - "During weeks 1-17 bidding periods will be allowed. The first begins..."

NOWHERE DOES IT SAY TEAMS CAN ACQUIRE FREE AGENTS BETWEEN NOW AND THE BEGGINING OF THE SEASON AND I EXPECT THESE RULES TO BE ENFORCED.

PVH

We're going to have to get FM involved on this one, as I specifically asked him about this during the draft, and he PMd me that it was first come, first serve free agent pickups until the season started as we had asked for.If we COULD NOT pick up free agents at any point, I certainly would have drafted differently the last few rounds of the draft.

 

[Capt Hook]

Well I did draft presuming we could not pickup any players until the beginning of the season - I was certainly willing to play week 1 with my one kicker and defense, AND I would have drafted differently I didn't believe we were going by the rules.

I have already emailed FM about this.

 

[radballs]

3 defenses scored in the top 20 in this other league last year. So defenses can be big and quite effective.

I don't know the scoring system for this other league (heck, it might even be a league we were both in). However, here is how I look at most leagues. Leaving the best ball part out of the analysis because there is no great way to incorporate it . . .I look to set a value system based on how many of each position are most likely to start given the league starting requirements. In this league, things get a bit whacky because there are two flex spots, but I will make a guess that in most weeks, the league as a whole will score:

12 QB, 36 RB, 32 WR, 16 TE, 12 PK, 12 DEF (roughly speaking)

To make this simple, let's say that only the top scoring players in each position will ever score each week (yes, I know that's impossible).

Looking at the scoring bandwidth of those positions based on last year's results . . .

QB1 compared to QB 12 = +96 points scored

RB1 compared to RB36 = +256 points scored

WR1 compared to WR32 = +171 points scored

TE1 compared to TE16 = +202 points scored

PK1 compared to PK12 = +47 points scored

DEF1 compared to DEF12 = +62 points scored

In the big overall scheme of things, this tells me that PK and DEF really are not going to make or break your team. When you consider that there is not a dramatic drop off from the next tier of PK or DEF, there is even less reason to invest heavily on those slots no matter where they rank in TOTAL points scored.

In terms of TOTAL scoring in this format, Gus Frerotte was a Top 50 scorer last year. Yet he ranked as the #16 QB. How big of an investment should have been made in Frerotte--afterall, he was ranked as the #48 scorer. It's the RELATIVE scoring that is important, not the TOTAL socring.

I will tell you right now that in a 2 flex 1 ppr league in which only 1 RB needs to be started, it will go more like 24 RBs and 44 WRs on a weekly basis. Biggest mistake that I think some people make in these kinds of leagues is that they underestimate the value of WRs and overestimate the value of RBs who are ranked outside of the top 20.

 

[David Yudkin]

3 defenses scored in the top 20 in this other league last year. So defenses can be big and quite effective.

I don't know the scoring system for this other league (heck, it might even be a league we were both in). However, here is how I look at most leagues. Leaving the best ball part out of the analysis because there is no great way to incorporate it . . .I look to set a value system based on how many of each position are most likely to start given the league starting requirements. In this league, things get a bit whacky because there are two flex spots, but I will make a guess that in most weeks, the league as a whole will score:

12 QB, 36 RB, 32 WR, 16 TE, 12 PK, 12 DEF (roughly speaking)

To make this simple, let's say that only the top scoring players in each position will ever score each week (yes, I know that's impossible).

Looking at the scoring bandwidth of those positions based on last year's results . . .

QB1 compared to QB 12 = +96 points scored

RB1 compared to RB36 = +256 points scored

WR1 compared to WR32 = +171 points scored

TE1 compared to TE16 = +202 points scored

PK1 compared to PK12 = +47 points scored

DEF1 compared to DEF12 = +62 points scored

In the big overall scheme of things, this tells me that PK and DEF really are not going to make or break your team. When you consider that there is not a dramatic drop off from the next tier of PK or DEF, there is even less reason to invest heavily on those slots no matter where they rank in TOTAL points scored.

In terms of TOTAL scoring in this format, Gus Frerotte was a Top 50 scorer last year. Yet he ranked as the #16 QB. How big of an investment should have been made in Frerotte--afterall, he was ranked as the #48 scorer. It's the RELATIVE scoring that is important, not the TOTAL socring.

I will tell you right now that in a 2 flex 1 ppr league in which only 1 RB needs to be started, it will go more like 24 RBs and 44 WRs on a weekly basis. Biggest mistake that I think some people make in these kinds of leagues is that they underestimate the value of WRs and overestimate the value of RBs who are ranked outside of the top 20.

In this league you have to start 2 RB no matter what.Here is a scoring breakdown for each scoring tier from last year:

300 points: 4 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE

250 points: 7 RB, 9 WR, 4 TE

200 points: 13 RB, 21 WR, 8 TE

150 points: 24 RB, 37 WR, 15 TE

100 points: 40 RB, 60 WR, 23 TE

Based on a minimum of 24 RB, 24 WR, and 12 TE, that leaves the 24 flex spots to get filled.

After the top 24 RB, that leaves 16 in the next tier in the 100+ point tier.

After the Top 24 WR, that leaves 13 WR in the same tier of 150 points, so they should go next for flex.

Sfter the Top 12 TE, there are 3 TE in the same tier of 150 points, so they should go next for flew.

That gets us to 24 RB, 37 WR, and 15 TE with 8 left over. There were 2 RB, 3 WR, and 1 TE that scored 140 points, getting us to 26 RB, 40 WR, and 16 TE with 2 spots left. The next two highest scorers were a WR and a TE, so the "final" theroretical breakdown would be 26 RB, 41 WR, and 17 TE for the highest scorers.

However, I will say that this is somewhat flawed as an analytical tool. IMO, starting RB *may* score slighlty higher but get hurt more frequently, so that could keep a RB's total scoring on the year down when the position itself *may* have scored as much or higher as the other positions. In English, if two RBs split the year at RB due to injury, both could have scored 125 points but would not have made the cutoff for the "final" top scorers. I can't prove or disprove that without researching it, and I certainly don't think it's worth the time investment.

In any event, using the new more accurate positional breakdowns:

RB1 vs RB26: +225 points

WR1 vs WR41: +191 points

TE1 vs TE17: +204 points

That levels the playing field some among the positions, but that should be expected in that we tried to cherry pick only the highest scorers. It does show that more non-stud WR and TE should be flex players than lower level RB, as only 2 RB made the cut for flex vs 17 at WR and 5 at TE.

But with 60 WR scoring 100+ points last year, there certainly is a lot of depth to choose from.

I did check and there were 32 RB, 39 WR, and 13 TE that averaged 10+ ppg last year, so my thinking that RB can score well if in the lineup may not be that far off. That conveniently adds up to 84 (the total of 2 RB + 2WR + 1 TE + 2 FLEX x 12).

 

[Family Matters]

Guys-I sent an email about the post draft waiver process. Please read it and go to the website and vote accordingly.

 

[Capt Hook]

I have voted and also posted a message on the site which I would appreciated if you take time to read.

 

[David Yudkin]

Just for kicks, I calculated the top positional starters for each team based on the first set of FBG rankings based on best QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, and 2 highest FLEX. Mind you that this is for this year only, there's obviously a lot NOT included here, and overall this has no real meaning other than a first blush at teams and strategies. Given the best ball format, there clearly is a lot more to the picture than just looking at each team's projected core guys, and there's nothing at all for PK and DEF. But nonetheless:

COMBINED TEAM TOTALS:

Family Matters 2019

Team Yudkin 2002

Pimpin Ain't Easy 1962

Captain Hook 1879

Brian Moore 1848

Radballs 1820

Team Legacy 1817

Ravenzfan 1808

Fantasy Weasel 1743

Twilight 1731

Iwannabeacowboy 1722

Chinese Democracy 1546

NOTE: I DID NOT recalculate the scoring for QBs (our league has 6 pt per TD and -2 for INT vs 4 pts and -1 for FBG scoring). I DID add in the PPR and 2 PPR for the other positions.

 

[Pimpin Ain't Easy]

Just for kicks, I calculated the top positional starters for each team based on the first set of FBG rankings based on best QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, and 2 highest FLEX. Mind you that this is for this year only, there's obviously a lot NOT included here, and overall this has no real meaning other than a first blush at teams and strategies. Given the best ball format, there clearly is a lot more to the picture than just looking at each team's projected core guys, and there's nothing at all for PK and DEF. But nonetheless:

COMBINED TEAM TOTALS:

Family Matters 2019

Team Yudkin 2002

Pimpin Ain't Easy 1962

Captain Hook 1879

Brian Moore 1848

Radballs 1820

Team Legacy 1817

Ravenzfan 1808

Fantasy Weasel 1743

Twilight 1731

Iwannabeacowboy 1722

Chinese Democracy 1546

NOTE: I DID NOT recalculate the scoring for QBs (our league has 6 pt per TD and -2 for INT vs 4 pts and -1 for FBG scoring). I DID add in the PPR and 2 PPR for the other positions.

Sweet! I'm in the playoffs then. Lol!

 

[radballs]

3 defenses scored in the top 20 in this other league last year. So defenses can be big and quite effective.

I don't know the scoring system for this other league (heck, it might even be a league we were both in). However, here is how I look at most leagues. Leaving the best ball part out of the analysis because there is no great way to incorporate it . . .I look to set a value system based on how many of each position are most likely to start given the league starting requirements. In this league, things get a bit whacky because there are two flex spots, but I will make a guess that in most weeks, the league as a whole will score:

12 QB, 36 RB, 32 WR, 16 TE, 12 PK, 12 DEF (roughly speaking)

To make this simple, let's say that only the top scoring players in each position will ever score each week (yes, I know that's impossible).

Looking at the scoring bandwidth of those positions based on last year's results . . .

QB1 compared to QB 12 = +96 points scored

RB1 compared to RB36 = +256 points scored

WR1 compared to WR32 = +171 points scored

TE1 compared to TE16 = +202 points scored

PK1 compared to PK12 = +47 points scored

DEF1 compared to DEF12 = +62 points scored

In the big overall scheme of things, this tells me that PK and DEF really are not going to make or break your team. When you consider that there is not a dramatic drop off from the next tier of PK or DEF, there is even less reason to invest heavily on those slots no matter where they rank in TOTAL points scored.

In terms of TOTAL scoring in this format, Gus Frerotte was a Top 50 scorer last year. Yet he ranked as the #16 QB. How big of an investment should have been made in Frerotte--afterall, he was ranked as the #48 scorer. It's the RELATIVE scoring that is important, not the TOTAL socring.

I will tell you right now that in a 2 flex 1 ppr league in which only 1 RB needs to be started, it will go more like 24 RBs and 44 WRs on a weekly basis. Biggest mistake that I think some people make in these kinds of leagues is that they underestimate the value of WRs and overestimate the value of RBs who are ranked outside of the top 20.

In this league you have to start 2 RB no matter what.Here is a scoring breakdown for each scoring tier from last year:

300 points: 4 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE

250 points: 7 RB, 9 WR, 4 TE

200 points: 13 RB, 21 WR, 8 TE

150 points: 24 RB, 37 WR, 15 TE

100 points: 40 RB, 60 WR, 23 TE

Based on a minimum of 24 RB, 24 WR, and 12 TE, that leaves the 24 flex spots to get filled.

After the top 24 RB, that leaves 16 in the next tier in the 100+ point tier.

After the Top 24 WR, that leaves 13 WR in the same tier of 150 points, so they should go next for flex.

Sfter the Top 12 TE, there are 3 TE in the same tier of 150 points, so they should go next for flew.

That gets us to 24 RB, 37 WR, and 15 TE with 8 left over. There were 2 RB, 3 WR, and 1 TE that scored 140 points, getting us to 26 RB, 40 WR, and 16 TE with 2 spots left. The next two highest scorers were a WR and a TE, so the "final" theroretical breakdown would be 26 RB, 41 WR, and 17 TE for the highest scorers.

However, I will say that this is somewhat flawed as an analytical tool. IMO, starting RB *may* score slighlty higher but get hurt more frequently, so that could keep a RB's total scoring on the year down when the position itself *may* have scored as much or higher as the other positions. In English, if two RBs split the year at RB due to injury, both could have scored 125 points but would not have made the cutoff for the "final" top scorers. I can't prove or disprove that without researching it, and I certainly don't think it's worth the time investment.

In any event, using the new more accurate positional breakdowns:

RB1 vs RB26: +225 points

WR1 vs WR41: +191 points

TE1 vs TE17: +204 points

That levels the playing field some among the positions, but that should be expected in that we tried to cherry pick only the highest scorers. It does show that more non-stud WR and TE should be flex players than lower level RB, as only 2 RB made the cut for flex vs 17 at WR and 5 at TE.

But with 60 WR scoring 100+ points last year, there certainly is a lot of depth to choose from.

I did check and there were 32 RB, 39 WR, and 13 TE that averaged 10+ ppg last year, so my thinking that RB can score well if in the lineup may not be that far off. That conveniently adds up to 84 (the total of 2 RB + 2WR + 1 TE + 2 FLEX x 12).

Oops. I was thinking about the Hyperactive dynasty league. I'm getting all these leagues mixed up. Thanks for taking the time to run those numbers David.

 

[Bri]

Just for kicks, I calculated the top positional starters for each team based on the first set of FBG rankings based on best QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, and 2 highest FLEX. Mind you that this is for this year only, there's obviously a lot NOT included here, and overall this has no real meaning other than a first blush at teams and strategies. Given the best ball format, there clearly is a lot more to the picture than just looking at each team's projected core guys, and there's nothing at all for PK and DEF. But nonetheless:

COMBINED TEAM TOTALS:

Family Matters 2019

Team Yudkin 2002

Pimpin Ain't Easy 1962

Captain Hook 1879

Brian Moore 1848

Radballs 1820

Team Legacy 1817

Ravenzfan 1808

Fantasy Weasel 1743

Twilight 1731

Iwannabeacowboy 1722

Chinese Democracy 1546

NOTE: I DID NOT recalculate the scoring for QBs (our league has 6 pt per TD and -2 for INT vs 4 pts and -1 for FBG scoring). I DID add in the PPR and 2 PPR for the other positions.

interesting post. I figure(and hope) a typical Owens season would give me more points in this.I would have thought FM would blow us away and the fact he didn't is surprising and interesting

 

[Family Matters]

Just for kicks, I calculated the top positional starters for each team based on the first set of FBG rankings based on best QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, and 2 highest FLEX. Mind you that this is for this year only, there's obviously a lot NOT included here, and overall this has no real meaning other than a first blush at teams and strategies. Given the best ball format, there clearly is a lot more to the picture than just looking at each team's projected core guys, and there's nothing at all for PK and DEF. But nonetheless:

COMBINED TEAM TOTALS: & Draft position

Family Matters 2019 -1

Team Yudkin 2002 -2

Pimpin Ain't Easy 1962 -4

Captain Hook 1879 -12

Brian Moore 1848 -5

Radballs 1820 -6

Team Legacy 1817 -10

Ravenzfan 1808 -3

Fantasy Weasel 1743 -9

Twilight 1731 -8

Iwannabeacowboy 1722 -11

Chinese Democracy 1546 -7

NOTE: I DID NOT recalculate the scoring for QBs (our league has 6 pt per TD and -2 for INT vs 4 pts and -1 for FBG scoring). I DID add in the PPR and 2 PPR for the other positions.

Thanks for doing this David. I went back and added the draft position. Notice any trends?

 

[Family Matters]

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