The good ole days of Fantasy Football (1 Viewer)

[cvnpoka]

as usual, lol old ppl on the internet

 

[bonesman]

My father's league has been going since the late 80s or so and it has always been an auction league w/ 4pt TDs.... so the OP is a bit of a headscratcher to me. Sounds like the guy just doesn't like ANYthing that's different from what he's used to.

Diversity is good... embrace it.

 

[Warrior]

The 'old' FF scoring was flukey, and the winner each week was largely based on luck.

These days, there's much less luck involved. If you'd rather stick with the huge luck factor, feel free to start a TD-only league with no live scoring, no PPR, only bonus points for yards, etc. Or you can just flip a coin a few times and decide the winners that way.

 

[ffinmyblood]

I still don't understand, after reading the whole thread, how you think a guy with a single 1-yard TD carry is more valuable than, for instance, Warrick Dunn gaining 200 total yards. You don't think Warrick Dunn could just have easily been the guy who took the extra handoff at the 1 and just walked behind a big OLineman until he crossed the line? TJ Duckett was incredibly special and talented? More valuable?TJ Duckett wouldn't have had 65 of the yards gained on the 80 yard drive to the 1 for his TD. TJ Duckett would have rushed for 2 on first down, caught a screen pass and lost yards cause he can't put a move on anyone, and then they would have stalled on third and long on their own side of the field.And yet he deserves more points than Warrick Dunn because he HAPPENED to come in when the only yard needed was right at the goalline?I don't get it. I always thought FF was about giving the most points to the most valuable players. If a guy threw for 540 yards with 0 incompletions, but all 4 of the team's TDs came from the 1 yard line from 2 different players running the ball in twice each...those guys are worth more to you? Even though they each had 3 carries for 2 yards and 2 TDs? (because, you know, one time they couldn't even get in on the first try from the 1)

Well, let's see....in the NFL, who would they reward the points to?? Ok, I will give you an example since apparently you aren't understanding....I will use the Packers(my team) as an example. They drive 77 yds for a TD. On the drive, Aaron Rodgers throws for 61 of those yards on a pass play to Jermichael Finley. Ryan Grant rushes for 15 yds on the drive. Aaron Rodgers runs it in from 1 yard out. Now, would the NFL give 6 pts to the Packers because Finley had 61 yards receiving on the drive, or because Grant had 15 yards rushing on the drive?? Or....would they be giving 6 points to the Packers for Aaron Rodgers's 1 yard TD run?? I'm not 100% positive, but I'm pretty sure it would be because Rodgers crossed the goal line. Thats why it's more valuable. Points in the NFL=Points in FF. I realize Finley catching the ball had a lot to do with that. But Rodgers had to throw him the ball too. Rodgers was rewarded with the TD. Finley would be rewarded with 2 points in my league once he reached the 75 yard receiving plateau. So he isn't unvaluable in my league. he';s getting his due. Just not as much as the guy that ultimately scored the TD.Now, on the other side of the coin....say the SAME situation ensued. Only THIS time Finely drops an easy reception in the end zone on 3rd down and the drive ends in a FG. Yet, in your league(just as an example) Finley is getting credited with 7 points, 7!!! On one freaking drive?? 6 for his 60 yards receiving, and 1 for his catch?? Yet he drops an easy reception that ultimately costs the Packers 3 points. Yet he should be rewarded with 7 points(more then the value of a TD) on that drive because he helped his team kick a FG??? In what bizarro world does that make ANY sense at all??

 

[ldizzle]

You know for a really old person you act like your 10.

This is FANTASY football where anyone can set any scoring to their preference of how a player performs. To say the way you view it is the best because a touchdown is more important in REAL football is your own opinion, which your entitled to. One scoring format is no better than another.

Its about competition and having fun with your league mates. Its nothing to break a hip over

 

[bonesman]

You know for a really old person you act like your 10.

aside from the homonym error

 

[ffinmyblood]

Everyone seems to be under the impression that I think guys that "help move the chains" aren't valuable in FF. NOT true at all. They are, and those types of guys are rewarded with points in my scoring system too, just not at the ridiculous levels they are in the modern scoring systems. Seriously, a RB can run for 54 yds catch two passes for another 27 yards on ONE drive and that is worth 9 points to most of you, really?? On ONE freaking drive?? That's 3 more points then a TD is worth and your RB got that many points not in the game, not in a half, but ONE DRIVE?? My beef with FF nowdays isn't anything really but the scoring. Does it have to be so ridiculously high?? C'mon man....

 

[Cassius]

What keeps you from having a league with the rules just as you want it?

He can't find 11 other guys who wouldn't find this format eye-bleedingly boring.

 

[Cassius]

Everyone seems to be under the impression that I think guys that "help move the chains" aren't valuable in FF. NOT true at all. They are, and those types of guys are rewarded with points in my scoring system too, just not at the ridiculous levels they are in the modern scoring systems. Seriously, a RB can run for 54 yds catch two passes for another 27 yards on ONE drive and that is worth 9 points to most of you, really?? On ONE freaking drive?? That's 3 more points then a TD is worth and your RB got that many points not in the game, not in a half, but ONE DRIVE?? My beef with FF nowdays isn't anything really but the scoring. Does it have to be so ridiculously high?? C'mon man....

Wow you're thick.

 

[Chadstroma]

What keeps you from having a league with the rules just as you want it?

He can't find 11 other guys who wouldn't find this format eye-bleedingly boring.

The free market at work.

 

[bg0546]

Everyone seems to be under the impression that I think guys that "help move the chains" aren't valuable in FF. NOT true at all. They are, and those types of guys are rewarded with points in my scoring system too, just not at the ridiculous levels they are in the modern scoring systems. Seriously, a RB can run for 54 yds catch two passes for another 27 yards on ONE drive and that is worth 9 points to most of you, really?? On ONE freaking drive?? That's 3 more points then a TD is worth and your RB got that many points not in the game, not in a half, but ONE DRIVE?? My beef with FF nowdays isn't anything really but the scoring. Does it have to be so ridiculously high?? C'mon man....

Why do you care what scoring system my league chooses to use? You aren't in it and never will be.

 

[Da Guru]

We switched to 4 pt passing TDs because Brett Favre was so much more valuable than anyone else that you couldn't catch up. 6 pts all TDs and Favre is getting 38 or 39 TDs while only a couple other guys in the whole league broke 20. It was such an absurd advantage back then, and he did it for three straight years.

Ummmm, that's because he WAS more valuable then anyone else in the NFL. He didn't win three MVP's for nothing. QB's are ALWAYS the highest scoring players in the NFL(ever see a RB rush for 50 TD's in a season??), they also should be in Fantasy. hence, the 6 pts for every TD.

After Farve had a huge year I drafted Freeman, Brooks. Mays and Chewy. If Farve is going to throw 35-38 TDs I thought I would get pretty much the lion share of theTD passes. Did not pan out.Some slap **** TE caught a bunch, Levins caught 5-6 It was a disaster.

 

[ffinmyblood]

Everyone seems to be under the impression that I think guys that "help move the chains" aren't valuable in FF. NOT true at all. They are, and those types of guys are rewarded with points in my scoring system too, just not at the ridiculous levels they are in the modern scoring systems. Seriously, a RB can run for 54 yds catch two passes for another 27 yards on ONE drive and that is worth 9 points to most of you, really?? On ONE freaking drive?? That's 3 more points then a TD is worth and your RB got that many points not in the game, not in a half, but ONE DRIVE?? My beef with FF nowdays isn't anything really but the scoring. Does it have to be so ridiculously high?? C'mon man....

Why do you care what scoring system my league chooses to use? You aren't in it and never will be.

I care because 99.9% of leagues now days are like this or similar and it keeps me from getting into them and helping other owners out. That's why.

 

[Instinctive]

I still don't understand, after reading the whole thread, how you think a guy with a single 1-yard TD carry is more valuable than, for instance, Warrick Dunn gaining 200 total yards. You don't think Warrick Dunn could just have easily been the guy who took the extra handoff at the 1 and just walked behind a big OLineman until he crossed the line? TJ Duckett was incredibly special and talented? More valuable?TJ Duckett wouldn't have had 65 of the yards gained on the 80 yard drive to the 1 for his TD. TJ Duckett would have rushed for 2 on first down, caught a screen pass and lost yards cause he can't put a move on anyone, and then they would have stalled on third and long on their own side of the field.And yet he deserves more points than Warrick Dunn because he HAPPENED to come in when the only yard needed was right at the goalline?I don't get it. I always thought FF was about giving the most points to the most valuable players. If a guy threw for 540 yards with 0 incompletions, but all 4 of the team's TDs came from the 1 yard line from 2 different players running the ball in twice each...those guys are worth more to you? Even though they each had 3 carries for 2 yards and 2 TDs? (because, you know, one time they couldn't even get in on the first try from the 1)

Well, let's see....in the NFL, who would they reward the points to?? Ok, I will give you an example since apparently you aren't understanding....I will use the Packers(my team) as an example. They drive 77 yds for a TD. On the drive, Aaron Rodgers throws for 61 of those yards on a pass play to Jermichael Finley. Ryan Grant rushes for 15 yds on the drive. Aaron Rodgers runs it in from 1 yard out. Now, would the NFL give 6 pts to the Packers because Finley had 61 yards receiving on the drive, or because Grant had 15 yards rushing on the drive?? Or....would they be giving 6 points to the Packers for Aaron Rodgers's 1 yard TD run?? I'm not 100% positive, but I'm pretty sure it would be because Rodgers crossed the goal line. Thats why it's more valuable. Points in the NFL=Points in FF. I realize Finley catching the ball had a lot to do with that. But Rodgers had to throw him the ball too. Rodgers was rewarded with the TD. Finley would be rewarded with 2 points in my league once he reached the 75 yard receiving plateau. So he isn't unvaluable in my league. he';s getting his due. Just not as much as the guy that ultimately scored the TD.Now, on the other side of the coin....say the SAME situation ensued. Only THIS time Finely drops an easy reception in the end zone on 3rd down and the drive ends in a FG. Yet, in your league(just as an example) Finley is getting credited with 7 points, 7!!! On one freaking drive?? 6 for his 60 yards receiving, and 1 for his catch?? Yet he drops an easy reception that ultimately costs the Packers 3 points. Yet he should be rewarded with 7 points(more then the value of a TD) on that drive because he helped his team kick a FG??? In what bizarro world does that make ANY sense at all??

It's much easier to say that with Rodgers running it in...but what if John Kuhn took the plunge? All he did the entire time was watch Rodgers, Finley, and Grant move the ball. If you took away Finley and Grant...Kuhn gets to take a one yard plunge at the 45 and the Pack gets to punt the ball.Well, if Finley hadn't had his 61 yards, then he never would have had the chance to drop one in the endzone, and the Packers would have zero points. Because he caught it and ran for 61 yards...they get 3 points. And he'd have 6 points, no PPR as a catch is a negative statistic.I prefer my game to have the most valuable players to score the most points. And I think Finley was WAAAAAYYYYYY more valuable than Kuhn plunging it in because Kuhn never gets close to the goal line without Finley. Even if he drops it in the endzone, Crosby never gets close to a FG without the 61 yards receiving. Any idiot can follow a lineman for one yard in 3 tries. That idiot is worth nowhere near as much to his team as the guy who got them to the goal line. Because without that guy, nobody gets points. So yeah, the 60 yards is worth as much as the TD. Because with no 60 yards, there is no TD.

 

[Esther Rolle Home Cookin]

Lots of tapioca pudding being served in here....

Oh no you didn't!

 

[GroveDiesel]

You're not a big fan of the FootballOutsiders, are you?

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

You know, I totally understand. I have been having this same type of discussion with my boss. You see, I'm a salesman, and all these other guys at work are getting paid money to do work that does not make any money at all! I mean look at it. The guy in purchasing...man this is is such a waste...ALL he does is spend money!!! GEEZ! And then the guys in production...wow...they spend all day makin some sort of stuff and such...and they use all this electricity, gas, steam, etc...that costs money!!! Not to mention the wear and tear on the equipment! Do you have any idea how much money it takes to keep a widget wacker working? And that leads to maintenance...good lord, these guys get to sit around doing nothing until production breaks something. What a job! And then the truck driver uses all this gas to deliver crap...I mean what's up with that?

Now, here I am. I sell the widgets! THAT's what makes the money. I mean...do any of these other guys and gals actually bring any money into the company? NO! Not a single stinkin copper! But when I look at the pay rates, I'm not the highest paid guy at work!!! WTF is up with that? I mean look at the bottom line! Every single other person besides me is only spending or wasting money! I'm the ONLY guy that puts $ on the bottom line when I make a sale!

Now, don't get me wrong, this is a team effort after all...just like football...so I have NO problem with them getting paid something...minimum wage is outrageously high these days! But PLEASE...if you think any of them should make anything near what I make then you surly don't understand economics! I'm the one that pulls in the $. Its right there on the bottom line...under SALES!

Whew...enough of that rant. Sorry, but I gotta agree with the OP. The old days were much better when priorities were properly placed in such a team effort.

 

[Instinctive]

You know, I totally understand. I have been having this same type of discussion with my boss. You see, I'm a salesman, and all these other guys at work are getting paid money to do work that does not make any money at all! I mean look at it. The guy in purchasing...man this is is such a waste...ALL he does is spend money!!! GEEZ! And then the guys in production...wow...they spend all day makin some sort of stuff and such...and they use all this electricity, gas, steam, etc...that costs money!!! Not to mention the wear and tear on the equipment! Do you have any idea how much money it takes to keep a widget wacker working? And that leads to maintenance...good lord, these guys get to sit around doing nothing until production breaks something. What a job! And then the truck driver uses all this gas to deliver crap...I mean what's up with that?

Now, here I am. I sell the widgets! THAT's what makes the money. I mean...do any of these other guys and gals actually bring any money into the company? NO! Not a single stinkin copper! But when I look at the pay rates, I'm not the highest paid guy at work!!! WTF is up with that? I mean look at the bottom line! Every single other person besides me is only spending or wasting money! I'm the ONLY guy that puts $ on the bottom line when I make a sale!

Now, don't get me wrong, this is a team effort after all...just like football...so I have NO problem with them getting paid something...minimum wage is outrageously high these days! But PLEASE...if you think any of them should make anything near what I make then you surly don't understand economics! I'm the one that pulls in the $. Its right there on the bottom line...under SALES!

Whew...enough of that rant. Sorry, but I gotta agree with the OP. The old days were much better when priorities were properly placed in such a team effort.

 

[JohnnyU]

Everyone seems to be under the impression that I think guys that "help move the chains" aren't valuable in FF. NOT true at all. They are, and those types of guys are rewarded with points in my scoring system too, just not at the ridiculous levels they are in the modern scoring systems. Seriously, a RB can run for 54 yds catch two passes for another 27 yards on ONE drive and that is worth 9 points to most of you, really?? On ONE freaking drive?? That's 3 more points then a TD is worth and your RB got that many points not in the game, not in a half, but ONE DRIVE?? My beef with FF nowdays isn't anything really but the scoring. Does it have to be so ridiculously high?? C'mon man....

Why do you care what scoring system my league chooses to use? You aren't in it and never will be.

I care because 99.9% of leagues now days are like this or similar and it keeps me from getting into them and helping other owners out. That's why.

If you're so far behind the 8 Ball with current fantasy football, how do you expect to help anyone out? Do you mean donate $$$ to the league? If so, then I understand.

 

[Outlaw Spades]

I don't really get the OP point? I guess he's upset that he can't find a league that he likes anymore? What happened to the league that you were in that you had so much fun with? Did everyone leave and left you as the only one who wanted those rules?

I mean yeah the good old days right? I remember waiting for a certain song to come on the radio so I could record it and have it on tape, etc. Now I just download a song I like and rip it to CD or put it on the IPOD. Times change right? Yeah there was a certain romance I guess to having to wait for that Monday morning paper before you knew how your team did, but it also sucked when you found out your kicker missed an extra point rather than kicked 2 field goals so now you got one point instead of the 7 that you thought you had. Knowing stuff instantly has it's advantages.

I play in multiple leagues with all kinds of scoring formats and enjoy them all otherwise why bother playing. But I do still enjoy my league that started in 1982 the best over the others and it is still going strong. Heck most of the owners have been in the league for over 20 years and that's what makes it the most enjoyable is the camaraderie of that league. I mean we could raise the entry fees and have more money on the line but winning the 3 foot high traveling trophy named after our one owner who passed away 3 years ago is more important than any prize money.

Most of the the leagues I still play in are from past jobs or something with old friends and it's a great way to stay in touch over the years. I never really liked playing in these internet leagues with all strangers as they seemed quite boring IMO. But hey obviously plenty of people like them because there are tons of leagues out there just like that.

Fantasy Football should be fun for you and if it is not anymore then it is probably time to hang em up or something and move on? I'm definitely an old time player but I am still having too much fun playing the game to have any reason to complain about it. Too each their own and hopefully you can find a league where you can have fun again!!

 

[Steelfan7]

Do you get points in the NFL if a player rushes for 90 yds?? Would you like it if your favorite team's opponent got 9 points for rushing for 90 yds by one individual player, and your team lost 99-90?? You like high scores, go watch the NBA. NONE of us would like it if the NFL's scoring system changed so drastically, and all of a sudden the game we knew and loved wasn't the same would we?? I'm guessing that is NOT a change most of us would embrace.

Well, you don't get points for rushing for 100 yards in the NFL either, but you were handing out bonus points back in the day.

"100 yards is worthy of points, but 99 isn't".

That's always what the argument came down to when fantasy owners wised up and adjusted their scoring. Changing of the scoring was about accurately reflecting each players contribution to their team. Giving that up just to make the scores somehow accurately reflect real-life NFL scores seems kind of silly, doesn't it?

You haven't explained yet how fantasy football is worse because the scores are high. How does this affect my enjoyment of the game that we play for, you know, enjoyment? I won some games last year in fantasy football and, strangely, I can't recall the scores. Just who I beat, and which players stepped up for me. Which, now that I think about it, is the way I remember it 15 years ago.

I remember why most of the changes happened. Two reasons:

1. Commissioners wanted to run different kinds of leagues.

2. People complained that players weren't getting credit for helping the team, other than scoring a TD.

#2 was the big one. People were tired of a TE getting 89 yards on 5 catches, and not getting credit for doing anything, while Leroy Hoard led someone to a championship. You seem to like it the old way, but your main reason seems to be: It was the old way.

You don't think it was just as frustrating to lose a game by 2 points because your guy got stopped at the one yard line and finished with 99 yds rushing as it was to NOT get credited for the example you cited?? Same thing.

I like it the old way in regards to scoring mostly. Why?? Because it most CLOSELY resembled NFL scoring. Why shouldn't it after all?? It's funny because I remember the highest scoring game ever in our league, my highest scoring game ever, the lowest scoring game ever and my lowest scoring game ever. Have no idea who they came against though. I do remember the lowest scoring game ever was 1 point.....in a title game.

Your argument is that you want fantasy football to emulate real NFL football. Please explain how or when an NFL would only score 1 point total in a game?

 

[comfortably numb]

Probably the best of the summer?

 

[Steelfan7]

You know, I totally understand. I have been having this same type of discussion with my boss. You see, I'm a salesman, and all these other guys at work are getting paid money to do work that does not make any money at all! I mean look at it. The guy in purchasing...man this is is such a waste...ALL he does is spend money!!! GEEZ! And then the guys in production...wow...they spend all day makin some sort of stuff and such...and they use all this electricity, gas, steam, etc...that costs money!!! Not to mention the wear and tear on the equipment! Do you have any idea how much money it takes to keep a widget wacker working? And that leads to maintenance...good lord, these guys get to sit around doing nothing until production breaks something. What a job! And then the truck driver uses all this gas to deliver crap...I mean what's up with that?

Now, here I am. I sell the widgets! THAT's what makes the money. I mean...do any of these other guys and gals actually bring any money into the company? NO! Not a single stinkin copper! But when I look at the pay rates, I'm not the highest paid guy at work!!! WTF is up with that? I mean look at the bottom line! Every single other person besides me is only spending or wasting money! I'm the ONLY guy that puts $ on the bottom line when I make a sale!

Now, don't get me wrong, this is a team effort after all...just like football...so I have NO problem with them getting paid something...minimum wage is outrageously high these days! But PLEASE...if you think any of them should make anything near what I make then you surly don't understand economics! I'm the one that pulls in the $. Its right there on the bottom line...under SALES!

Whew...enough of that rant. Sorry, but I gotta agree with the OP. The old days were much better when priorities were properly placed in such a team effort.

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[Wrigley]

The 'old' FF scoring was flukey, and the winner each week was largely based on luck.These days, there's much less luck involved. If you'd rather stick with the huge luck factor, feel free to start a TD-only league with no live scoring, no PPR, only bonus points for yards, etc. Or you can just flip a coin a few times and decide the winners that way.

Dude, 90% of fantasy football is luckIt's the other 10% that separates teams

 

[Ned]

We just added punters to our league and almost added coaches also, but the league voted it down by 1 vote.

Punter Scoring:

0.05pts/yard punted

0.1pts/1sec hang time (round to nearest tenth)

1.0pt/fair catch

2.0pt/inside 20

5.0pt/inside 10

-1.0pt/blocked punt