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The Kneeling BS has got to stop! (1 Viewer)

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qimqam

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The NFL has to do something about this garbage ... It makes no sense to allow this BS.

What should be the best 2 minutes, the hardest played football of the game, when everything is on the line ... tuns into Crap!

And whats worse is it is such a easy fix ... If you do not advance the ball past the line of scrimmage it stops the clock !!! It's that simple.

 
Sorry your Giants were knocked out of getting into the playoffs. If only they played better during the regular season.

 
'Chazzhawk said:
You lost because the quarterback got minus 1 yard on the kneel. ha ha
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Actually I won my Fantasy League last week ... you know, week 16 when all competitive leagues end.But right now I'm talking about NFL football and what I feel is the worst and most easily fixable rule in the NFL.
 
'qimqam said:
And whats worse is it is such a easy fix ... If you do not advance the ball past the line of scrimmage it stops the clock !!! It's that simple.
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I'm not sure the exact rule, but Arena football does not allow kneeling down. NFL should look into their rule and take a long hard look at it.
 
No, the NFL doesn't need to create special rules to make the last 2 minutes more interesting. If the game is over, let them kneel and end the thing.

 
'qimqam said:
'Chazzhawk said:
You lost because the quarterback got minus 1 yard on the kneel. ha ha
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Actually I won my Fantasy League last week ... you know, week 16 when all competitive leagues end.But right now I'm talking about NFL football and what I feel is the worst and most easily fixable rule in the NFL.
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I suppose the obvious question is, why does it need to be fixed? What's broke about it? Maybe the team behind should have taken care of business earlier.
 
'Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:
'qimqam said:
And whats worse is it is such a easy fix ... If you do not advance the ball past the line of scrimmage it stops the clock !!! It's that simple.
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I'm not sure the exact rule, but Arena football does not allow kneeling down. NFL should look into their rule and take a long hard look at it.
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If there's one thing I always think when I watch the NFL, it is "I wish this was more like the Arena League."
 
'Witz said:
Sorry your Giants were knocked out of getting into the playoffs. If only they played better during the regular season.
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You're right about that but I've been hating kneeling forever and actually started thinking about it since the Tampa Bay game where the Giants were the ones kneeling.If you recall there was a big scandal about Tampa still playing hard while the Giants were kneeling. It's the only game I've seen this year were the defense actually tried on a kneel down.Both teams should have to try until the clock runs out ... The fans would be the beneficiaries.
 
'PlasmaDogPlasma said:
'Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:
'qimqam said:
And whats worse is it is such a easy fix ... If you do not advance the ball past the line of scrimmage it stops the clock !!! It's that simple.
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I'm not sure the exact rule, but Arena football does not allow kneeling down. NFL should look into their rule and take a long hard look at it.
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If there's one thing I always think when I watch the NFL, it is "I wish this was more like the Arena League."
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Yeah, because the NFL never gets ideas from other leagues...I don't care about kneeling, but the AFL does require their teams to advance the ball in order to keep the clock moving. Not sure if it's really worth going through those motions on the off chance they don't advance the ball. The kneel down is a safe way to end a game, and there's nothing really wrong with it. The other team knows they had chances to prevent it and they couldn't. A lot of times the game is over by a few scores anyway and this just ends it quicker.
 
'Mello said:
No, the NFL doesn't need to create special rules to make the last 2 minutes more interesting. If the game is over, let them kneel and end the thing.
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If the game is over? The point is the games not over.If it's the right thing to do then maybe they they should do the same in the NBA as well.

Team A up by 2 with 24 seconds left in bounds the ball and takes a knee to run out the shot clock and preserve the victory.

Now wasn't that an exciting finish?

 
'qimqam said:
The NFL has to do something about this garbage ... It makes no sense to allow this BS.What should be the best 2 minutes, the hardest played football of the game, when everything is on the line ... tuns into Crap!And whats worse is it is such a easy fix ... If you do not advance the ball past the line of scrimmage it stops the clock !!! It's that simple.
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I have to agree with you. I would love to see a rule where the clock stopped in the last two minutes if the offense doesn't advance the ball. It would be a dramatic improvement from a spectator's POV.
 
Given the choice, I'd prefer the kneel down is eliminated.

That said, I don't see anything changing unless more defenses attempt to force the issue.

 
'32 Counter Pass said:
'qimqam said:
The NFL has to do something about this garbage ... It makes no sense to allow this BS.What should be the best 2 minutes, the hardest played football of the game, when everything is on the line ... tuns into Crap!And whats worse is it is such a easy fix ... If you do not advance the ball past the line of scrimmage it stops the clock !!! It's that simple.
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I have to agree with you. I would love to see a rule where the clock stopped in the last two minutes if the offense doesn't advance the ball. It would be a dramatic improvement from a spectator's POV.
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i like the idea of not stopping the clock if the ball isn't advanced, or something like that.separately, and sorta related, i like that college ball stops the clock after a 1st down until it's respotted and whistled back into play.
 
I am surprised that more people would not like to see the Kneel eliminated ... We are all football fans on this site ... Why wouldn't everyone want to see a full game played?

It's such a slight change that would make the game so much better. I cant think of anything negative that could come out of it.

 
'qimqam said:
I am surprised that more people would not like to see the Kneel eliminated ... We are all football fans on this site ... Why wouldn't everyone want to see a full game played?It's such a slight change that would make the game so much better. I cant think of anything negative that could come out of it.
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It cheapens the previous 58 minutes.
 
'dehaven123 said:
'32 Counter Pass said:
'qimqam said:
The NFL has to do something about this garbage ... It makes no sense to allow this BS.

What should be the best 2 minutes, the hardest played football of the game, when everything is on the line ... tuns into Crap!

And whats worse is it is such a easy fix ... If you do not advance the ball past the line of scrimmage it stops the clock !!! It's that simple.
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I have to agree with you. I would love to see a rule where the clock stopped in the last two minutes if the offense doesn't advance the ball. It would be a dramatic improvement from a spectator's POV.
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i like the idea of not stopping the clock if the ball isn't advanced, or something like that.separately, and sorta related, i like that college ball stops the clock after a 1st down until it's respotted and whistled back into play.
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If you want 4 hour games.
 
So instead of a kneel-down, we'd just have a backup RB go straight up the middle for a one-yard gain. Where's the excitement in that?

 
'qimqam said:
I am surprised that more people would not like to see the Kneel eliminated ... We are all football fans on this site ... Why wouldn't everyone want to see a full game played?It's such a slight change that would make the game so much better. I cant think of anything negative that could come out of it.
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I'm not in favor of changing the way the game is played at the end just to "create" a possibility for the losing team to have a chance. It's legal for a team to kneel down and have the clock run at any other point in the game (although why would you), and so it should be legal at the end of the game too. It is a strategic move that is part of the game.And by the way, you have seen a full game played. I'd have an issue if they just stopped the game instead of making the winning team take a knee. Then you wouldn't have seen every minute played, but as it is, every minute is played.
 
'dehaven123 said:
I would love to see a rule where the clock stopped in the last two minutes if the offense doesn't advance the ball. It would be a dramatic improvement from a spectator's POV.
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No way. It's fine in college but these are professionals. No need to hold the offenses hand more. Spike the ball, use your timeouts, etc.
'Mello said:
'qimqam said:
I am surprised that more people would not like to see the Kneel eliminated ... We are all football fans on this site ... Why wouldn't everyone want to see a full game played?It's such a slight change that would make the game so much better. I cant think of anything negative that could come out of it.
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It cheapens the previous 58 minutes.
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How many kneel downs are there in the first 58 minutes of games?If anything, the kneel down could be considered a cheapening of the game.
 
'Mello said:
'qimqam said:
I am surprised that more people would not like to see the Kneel eliminated ... We are all football fans on this site ... Why wouldn't everyone want to see a full game played?It's such a slight change that would make the game so much better. I cant think of anything negative that could come out of it.
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It cheapens the previous 58 minutes.
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:lmao: Unpack this please. I want to see the "logic" behind this post.
 
'MNTom said:
'dehaven123 said:
'32 Counter Pass said:
'qimqam said:
The NFL has to do something about this garbage ... It makes no sense to allow this BS.

What should be the best 2 minutes, the hardest played football of the game, when everything is on the line ... tuns into Crap!

And whats worse is it is such a easy fix ... If you do not advance the ball past the line of scrimmage it stops the clock !!! It's that simple.
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I have to agree with you. I would love to see a rule where the clock stopped in the last two minutes if the offense doesn't advance the ball. It would be a dramatic improvement from a spectator's POV.
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i like the idea of not stopping the clock if the ball isn't advanced, or something like that.separately, and sorta related, i like that college ball stops the clock after a 1st down until it's respotted and whistled back into play.
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If you want 4 hour games.
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Hyperbole alert! :P

 
'32 Counter Pass said:
'MNTom said:
'dehaven123 said:
'32 Counter Pass said:
'qimqam said:
The NFL has to do something about this garbage ... It makes no sense to allow this BS.

What should be the best 2 minutes, the hardest played football of the game, when everything is on the line ... tuns into Crap!

And whats worse is it is such a easy fix ... If you do not advance the ball past the line of scrimmage it stops the clock !!! It's that simple.
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I have to agree with you. I would love to see a rule where the clock stopped in the last two minutes if the offense doesn't advance the ball. It would be a dramatic improvement from a spectator's POV.
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i like the idea of not stopping the clock if the ball isn't advanced, or something like that.separately, and sorta related, i like that college ball stops the clock after a 1st down until it's respotted and whistled back into play.
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If you want 4 hour games.
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Hyperbole alert! :P
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ok, 3 hr and 55 minute games.
 
I honestly don't see the point of this discussion. It cheapens the game? What?? If you take care of business, the other team isn't kneeling to run out the clock. It's just a play that lost yardage just like any other. The fact it is intentional is irrelevant. The team's goal is to win the game, not hand the ball off on three worthless carries just to entertain you.

 
'qimqam said:
I am surprised that more people would not like to see the Kneel eliminated ... We are all football fans on this site ... Why wouldn't everyone want to see a full game played?It's such a slight change that would make the game so much better. I cant think of anything negative that could come out of it.
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That's absurd. They are playing a full game. There's a snap, there's the ball carrier going down. The offense can run any play they want when they have the ball. If they want to greatly reduce the chances of a turnover, it's their choice.
 
'Chazzhawk said:
Ya because I want Peterson or Martin or another good back taking abuse if a game is over
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The game isn't over yet.For some reason too many people have decided it's okay for the offense to decide when a game is over. The defense doesn't have that same option.
 
'qimqam said:
'Mello said:
No, the NFL doesn't need to create special rules to make the last 2 minutes more interesting. If the game is over, let them kneel and end the thing.
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If the game is over? The point is the games not over.If it's the right thing to do then maybe they they should do the same in the NBA as well.

Team A up by 2 with 24 seconds left in bounds the ball and takes a knee to run out the shot clock and preserve the victory.

Now wasn't that an exciting finish?
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Did you really just cite the NBA in trying to make your point? The final 2 minutes of an NBA game ends one of two ways: 1) One team fouling the other one over and over again hoping they miss some free throws and they can close the lead or 2) Both teams sub out their stars and a bunch of scrubs dribble the clock out before launching 3s. Brutal.I'm with the guys saying the other team had plenty of chances to take control themselves. If they didn't stop them earlier or save some timeouts then tough cookies, the offense is going to kneel, tough cookies.

 
I say get rid of the intentional walk in baseball. You should have to pretend to be trying to throw strikes.

I also think we should not allow defenses to foul intentionally at the end of a game in basketball. They should have to try and steal the ball.

While we're at it no more safety plays in billiards or pool. You must at all times try to pocket one of your balls.

I also think we should get rid of the spike to stop the clock. They used to be forced to throw over the head of a guy near the sideline.

No more being allowed to take a delay of game penalty before you punt either.

 
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'qimqam said:
I am surprised that more people would not like to see the Kneel eliminated ... We are all football fans on this site ... Why wouldn't everyone want to see a full game played?It's such a slight change that would make the game so much better. I cant think of anything negative that could come out of it.
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:goodposting: Do not see the problem either. But the OP sure managed to upset a few posters here with his suggestion. :shrug:
 
'trader jake said:
'Chazzhawk said:
Ya because I want Peterson or Martin or another good back taking abuse if a game is over
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The game isn't over yet.For some reason too many people have decided it's okay for the offense to decide when a game is over. The defense doesn't have that same option.
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Of course they do. They have the other 58 minutes to stop the other team and allow their team to take the lead. The fact they failed is why the other team is kneeling.
 
'qimqam said:
The NFL has to do something about this garbage ... It makes no sense to allow this BS.

What should be the best 2 minutes, the hardest played football of the game, when everything is on the line ... tuns into Crap!

And whats worse is it is such a easy fix ... If you do not advance the ball past the line of scrimmage it stops the clock !!! It's that simple.
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So if my team is down by 6 and on the 1 yard line with 15 seconds left and no timeouts, I can run the ball with no real worries about running the clock out. If the RB is stuffed then the clock stops. If he's not then it is a TD.Also, how many times are we going to see challenges by the replay officials to see if you gained a foot or got stuffed for no-gain?

 
'AB in DC said:
So instead of a kneel-down, we'd just have a backup RB go straight up the middle for a one-yard gain. Where's the excitement in that?
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How many backup RBs do you know that are guaranteed to get one-yard? And if these backup RBs exist why aren't they used to get the guaranteed TD at the 1 yard line and the guaranteed 1st downs on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1?Now suppose a team doesn't have one of these "backup RBs" that you speak of. Then the following possibilities exist ... The exchange between the QB and regular/non-backup RB could be fumbled. The regular/non-backup RB could have the ball strippedThe regular/non-backup RB could come up short of the line of scrimmage in which case the clock will be stopped.
 
'qimqam said:
I am surprised that more people would not like to see the Kneel eliminated ... We are all football fans on this site ... Why wouldn't everyone want to see a full game played?It's such a slight change that would make the game so much better. I cant think of anything negative that could come out of it.
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It is a full game. The offense has earned the position they're in. And the defense has exhausted their time-outs. They've lost the ability to stop the clock. The game is over.Stop whining.
 
'TxBuckeye said:
I honestly don't see the point of this discussion. It cheapens the game? What?? If you take care of business, the other team isn't kneeling to run out the clock. It's just a play that lost yardage just like any other. The fact it is intentional is irrelevant. The team's goal is to win the game, not hand the ball off on three worthless carries just to entertain you.
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Then maybe they shouldn't play the 4th quarter ... If you take care of business in the first 3 quarters (now to be called periods )then you wouldn't need a 4th period.
 
'dwarfboy said:
I say get rid of the intentional walk in baseball. You should have to pretend to be trying to throw strikes.

This kind of supports the argument. The Kneel down equivalent would be not having to throw the ball.

I also think we should not allow defenses to foul intentionally at the end of a game in basketball. They should have to try and steal the ball.

This has nothing to do with the conversation

While we're at it no more safety plays in billiards or pool. You must at all times try to pocket one of your balls.

There is no time limit in this game ... If there was you can take a knee to prevent the other player from getting to take his turn

I also think we should get rid of the spike to stop the clock. They used to be forced to throw over the head of a guy near the sideline.

I agree

No more being allowed to take a delay of game penalty before you punt either.

Insignificant
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