Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Wait for it ....
This team has nothing. Unless you like an aging defense and a pile of slop on offense.
J-E-T-S ... JETS JETS JETS!
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Fantasy-wise, Keller is the only guy on my draft lists and he's not exactly a priority. The rest of that team is dead to me.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I think Woody genuinely likes him, so I'd doubt it. It would be unfair, honestly. Rex has had a lot of early success.
EBF
Footballguy
In the NFL, you're only as good as your quarterback, and the Jets don't have a good one.
I generally think Rex has done a good job, but drafting Sanchez looks bad in hindsight and I think it was a huge mistake to bring the Tebow circus to town. Such a distraction, especially with a QB whose confidence was already on the ropes.
I generally think Rex has done a good job, but drafting Sanchez looks bad in hindsight and I think it was a huge mistake to bring the Tebow circus to town. Such a distraction, especially with a QB whose confidence was already on the ropes.
Not for IDP or deep roster leagues!
Run It Up
Footballguy
It would be unfair in the sense that all of their teams misfortune lies on the shoulders of a QB that he has coddled from rookie to present season, whos shown no improvement at all.But whos fault is that really? Oh wait, hes their coach.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Head coaches delegate. Rex's specialty is the defense, and that unit has been fine.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Defense wins and the jets have a good one...9 wins.. Don't think thats last place
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
This team has nothing. Unless you like an aging defense and a pile of slop on offense.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Give me your order of finish in the division, Chase.
I'm not Chase, but it should be1. Patriots2. Bills3. Jets4. Dolphins
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Yeah, I have the Fins third. It's not a ringing endorsement for Miami as much as just being down on the Green.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I agree that the Dolphins will be better than some think, but they still seem like the 4th place team to me. I like what Buffalo has done on defense, but I'm still unconvinced about their offense. Both the Jets and Bills seem to have a pretty wide range of possibilities, as both teams have been inconsistent. The Jets made 2 AFCCG in the last 3 years, but tanked at the end of last season. Buffalo beat NE and started out 5-2, but tanked down the stretch. Both should contend for a WC, but I think the Jets have the higher floor just because we've seen it from them.The Jets went 8-8 last season, despite a significant number of things going wrong for them. That seems to pretty much be their floor as long as their defense continues to be able to stop other teams (the Jets were 6th in points allowed per drive and 2nd in drive success rate). The schedule also looks easier, trading the NFC East for the NFC West and the AFC West for the AFC South.
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njherdfan
Footballguy
Aging defense? Nine of the 15 defenders who will see legitimate playing time are 28 or younger: Revis (28), Harris (28), Wilkerson (23), Cromartie (28), Landry (28), DeVito (28), Maybin (24), Coples (22), Wilson (25). Bart Scott, Sione Pouha, Calvin Pace and Yeremiah Bell are in their 30s, but Pouha hasn't shown any sign of slowing down and Bell can't be worse than Eric Smith last year. Scott and Pace are the two aging guys, but I don't expect much dropoff from either, in part because they contributed little last year. Bryan Thomas and Eric Smith are the other guys who will see time, but neither is a lock to make the roster. Thomas is old, for sure, but he's at best the 14th most important player on the defense. Smith is 29, but sucks. The defense is going to be really good, like it's always been under Ryan. The O looks like a hot mess, but they can win 9 games with the O being garbage. All the Jets D needs to do is make other offenses look worse than the Jets offense, and they'll be able to do that often enough.
Also, Revis is 27 and Kendrick Ellis looked very good last night and I expect him to spell Pouha frequently to keep him fresh.. The Jets defense will be awesome this year; with a full year under his belt Wilkerson should turn in to a better player, and a full season of Maybin should lead to at least 11 sacks.I agree the offense will be pretty bad, but I fail to see how it can be any worse than last year's. I'm not a big Sanchez fan at all, but if he can even start throwing interceptions which AREN'T returned for pick-sixes, which he had a real knack for last year, that will be a huge improvement. I actually think a simplified offense under Sporano should help Sanchez a bit as well. Last year, I think Sanchez was one of the worst QBs in the NFL, and the Jets were still an 8-8 team. If Sanchez can just be average, the Jets should go 10-6.
Run It Up
Footballguy
12-4 is an impressive record, still having trouble seeing how they lose 4 games this year though.1. @Titans2. Cardinals3. @Ravens4. @Bills5. Bronces6. @Seahawks7. Jets8. @Rams9. BYE10. Bills11. @Jets12. @Dolphins13. Texans14. 49ers15. @Jaguars16. Dolphins
Patriots might have 4 losses by the bye week. 3 tough road games in there.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Guess im blind.@Ravens@BillsPats have both their numbers
Deamon
Footballguy
San Fran, Houston, etc. Will New England be favoured every game of the season? Likley, but there's always upsets. Could/Should the realistically win every game? Probably, but they will probably lose some to teams they should beat, as everyone does. 12-4 seems pretty likely. Maybe 13-3.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Those are literally the 4 games I think are even up in the air, but I also would not be surprised at all if they finish 15-1 with their only loss is to a sub .500 team.
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Funny I was just joking with my jet fan buddies yesterday about this exact topic. I told them to enjoy 3rd place this year and last place next. I think they'll have just enough in the tank to hold off Miami THIS year. But next year Tannehill will bring Miami to relevance and the jets will still have suckchez
This team has nothing. Unless you like an aging defense and a pile of slop on offense.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Who is of any worth for IDP?Not for IDP or deep roster leagues!
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
It's the elephant in the room. It's not just the qb. There is no talent on this team. The wrs are bottom 5, rb is bottom 5 and the offensive line is poor. There front 7 is quite a bit below average and their safeties are cast-offs. Their corners are good. The GM needs to be fired. He's done a horrible job getting talent.
PS-If any Jets fans believe they are competing with the pats this year they are in for a rude awakening. They are going to have to rebuild for 3 years first. I'm not a pats for or jets hater, it's just how it is. One thing I will say is Rex's style wears thin after a while, which I believe happened last year. He has to relax and tone it done a bit or he won't last much longer.
PS-If any Jets fans believe they are competing with the pats this year they are in for a rude awakening. They are going to have to rebuild for 3 years first. I'm not a pats for or jets hater, it's just how it is. One thing I will say is Rex's style wears thin after a while, which I believe happened last year. He has to relax and tone it done a bit or he won't last much longer.
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rizzler
Footballguy
Pats @ Orchard Park is NEVER a given. Bills play them extremely hard and have come up VERY short the last few seasons, for the most part.Bills take the home game this season, is my call.
Deamon
Footballguy
Every game in the NFL is 'up in the air'. Would you at the start of last season said the Bills/Pats, Saints/Bucs, Jags/Ravens, Rams/Saints, or Packers/Chiefs games were 'up in the air'? No, probably not, but the big underdog still won those. @Ravens, @Bills, vs Broncos, @Seahawks, vs Bills, vs Texans, vs 49ers are all games that could go in favour of the underdog. I think saying there's little chance ANY team loses more then 1 game is ridiculous. I love the Pats this year, but I think 12 to 13 wins is realistic.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
An uninformed thread criticizing the Jets by RaiderNation? I'm shocked...
Always nice to have new fans.
massraider
Footballguy
Oh... HEY guy I never knew existed before this very second!
Always nice to have new fans.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
A quick search on his username reveals (are you sitting down?) that he's a Jets fan.So I'm "uninformed" and he's "unbiased"... I guess we're even.Oh... HEY guy I never knew existed before this very second!
Always nice to have new fans.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
So what's with the aging comment?And what record do you expect the Jets have?A quick search on his username reveals (are you sitting down?) that he's a Jets fan.So I'm "uninformed" and he's "unbiased"... I guess we're even.Oh... HEY guy I never knew existed before this very second!
Always nice to have new fans.
ICON211
Footballguy
I think the Jets finish 6-10, but they have the potential to be a train wreck. I think the defense is overrated and will struggle to get pressure on the QB. The offensive line does not look very good and the whole Tebow thing will be a distraction from Sanchez's first incompletion.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Other than Coples, did you get younger on defense? If you're not getting younger, you're getting older. Not sure how that's debatable. Defensive players seem to age in dog years, not just with the Jets. You have a few key guys on the wrong side of 30, as you pointed out yourself, and a few more will be there soon.So what's with the aging comment?A quick search on his username reveals (are you sitting down?) that he's a Jets fan.So I'm "uninformed" and he's "unbiased"... I guess we're even.Oh... HEY guy I never knew existed before this very second!
Always nice to have new fans.
Just went through the schedule game-by-game. I see 5-11... 7-9 if you get a few breaks.What do YOU think their record will be?
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
There's a difference between aging and getting older. Aaron Maybin and Muhammad Wilkerson are getting older, but that's not a bad thing. Pace and Scott are aging. Revis is in the prime of his career.5-11 only makes sense if you expect the Jets defense to be mediocre or worse. I expect the Jets defense to be a top-5 unit this year, and the offense to be around 25th. But with a workable schedule, that makes for 9-7 plus or minus 2 games depending on the luck. I think the team will resemble Ryan's first year team, but being slightly worse on defense (despite being more talented) and slightly better on offense (at least when it comes to passing).Other than Coples, did you get younger on defense? If you're not getting younger, you're getting older. Not sure how that's debatable. Defensive players seem to age in dog years, not just with the Jets. You have a few key guys on the wrong side of 30, as you pointed out yourself, and a few more will be there soon.So what's with the aging comment?A quick search on his username reveals (are you sitting down?) that he's a Jets fan.So I'm "uninformed" and he's "unbiased"... I guess we're even.Oh... HEY guy I never knew existed before this very second!
Always nice to have new fans.Just went through the schedule game-by-game. I see 5-11... 7-9 if you get a few breaks.What do YOU think their record will be?
FO projects the Jets at 9.2 wins, so it's not just me. The Jets D looks to be elite, and slightly more good than the Jets O will be bad. Couple that with usually solid special teams and an easier than average schedule, and 9-7 makes sense. You basically have to expect the Jets D to totally fall off to put them at 5-11 or 6-10. I don't see that at all, and from a talent standpoint, this is the best Jets defense in the Ryan era.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Fair enough. I'll bump this in late December either way.
I've been wrong plenty of times before, and I'll own up to it if the Jets turn out to be good.
I've been wrong plenty of times before, and I'll own up to it if the Jets turn out to be good.
Age doesn't seem like a legit concern with this defense.
If Laron Landry's achilles is healthy, they have added an elite safety. Wilkerson is a really good 3-4 end. I'm not sold on Maybin being anything more than a specialist but Jets have found a way to get some production out of him. Bart Scott is old but they already have his replacement on the roster. Pouha is one of the best nose tackles in the league. Revis and Cromartie are probably the best corner tandem too. Given the reservations I have about Maybin and the injury for Bryan Thomas, Pace feels like a key player here.
If Laron Landry's achilles is healthy, they have added an elite safety. Wilkerson is a really good 3-4 end. I'm not sold on Maybin being anything more than a specialist but Jets have found a way to get some production out of him. Bart Scott is old but they already have his replacement on the roster. Pouha is one of the best nose tackles in the league. Revis and Cromartie are probably the best corner tandem too. Given the reservations I have about Maybin and the injury for Bryan Thomas, Pace feels like a key player here.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I think the Jets will play a lot of 4-3 this year to get Wilkerson on the field, and with the Jets, that's really more like a 4-2-5 or 4-1-6, since Rex loves his DBs. I wouldn't be shocked if both Pace and Thomas are on the bench for large stretches this year.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Yep, its a coincidence the best teams win more games.
I agree 100%, I just dont see the Pats slowing down this year at all and their D looked great. The Bills played great in the win against the Pats last year, the Pats also played like crap.Bills are gonna be great this year too, im expecting them to finish 2nd in their division, I just think the Pats have their number.
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Abspara
Footballguy
Seriously? In my 12 team tackle heavy IDP league, none of us have any Jets IDP's that are worth starting on a weekly basis. A few owners have some as bench material incase of bye week or injury but that's about it, which is probably about the same as the Jets offensive starters.Not for IDP or deep roster leagues!
Maybe in a 20 team league or something deep there might be some Jets players that have value, but to the majority of normal FF teams makeups, I think they're pretty worthless.
1) Pats
2) Bills
3) Jets
4) Dolphins.
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Deamon
Footballguy
Yep, its a coincidence the best teams win more games.
Never said that at all. Up in the air doesn't mean totally 50/50. Pats will be favoured probably every game of the season. Actually having expectations of 15-1 is insane though. There's always upsets, chances are a team not as good of them will win a couple games. Even giving them a 90% chance of winning each game will net them more then 1 loss.
Never said that at all. Up in the air doesn't mean totally 50/50. Pats will be favoured probably every game of the season. Actually having expectations of 15-1 is insane though. There's always upsets, chances are a team not as good of them will win a couple games. Even giving them a 90% chance of winning each game will net them more then 1 loss.
5Rings
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Why would they need to play a 4-3 to get Wilkerson on the field? You don't see him playing in a 3-4 front?
So Maybin and Wilkerson at DE? Teams should be able to gain about 6 yards/carry running at Maybin in that scenario.
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Run It Up
Footballguy
Good then were both aware that every game as at least two possible outcomes and that the Patriots will be favored every game.
asuterlowe
Footballguy
A missed field goal and a dropped pass in the endzone was the difference in the AFC Championship, the Patriots do not "have the ravens number". That matchup is always impossible to call. The Dolphins have way to many holes to still fix before they can surpass a team like the Jets, 2013 is certainly a possibility.
