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The Least Mode droppable? (1 Viewer)
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NeverEnough
Footballguy
I can't trade him for anything in my dynasty so I have thought about dropping him, but not much on the wire. Ben Watson was dropped so maybe I should drop Lynch for him, but I already have Gronk & Kroft. However, Lynch will likely never start for me either. Brice Butler is out there too. Maybe drop Lynch for him
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oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Dropped in my league 3 weeks ago. Still sitting there.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Least Mode, good call. He's been pretty useless for fantasy this year, 2 half decent games and now suspended and so will only play in 1 of the next 3 weeks. I'm trying to decide whether to cut this guy or Henry, neither are start-able right now but Henry has some upside for the second half.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Let’s make a “Is _______ droppable” thread for every player. I need to know who’s droppable and who’s not and definitely don’t want to read about those opinions in the individual player threads.
FF Maestro
Footballguy
I dropped him. I have good depth at RB and Flex and needed the roster spot to add a kicker in order to hang onto Succop through his bye. It's pretty sad that he's worth less than a streaming kicker to me.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Weebs210
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Look at his stats? Lynch has always been about the money. He got another shot on name value, he will be out of the league next year.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Having watched every Raider game, the problem isn't necessarily Lynch but his usage.
He looks to be running with every bit of power and violence as he did in SEA. Raiders have not committed to using him as a feature hammer, which like some other backs, he appears to need to be in order to get into the rhythm, grind Ds down, etc.
He isn't DJ or Bell, but saying he has lost his ability or his fire means to me that you haven't seen him play.
Which is partially fair, because Downing certainly isn't giving him the consistent reps to maximize his skill set.
Wouldn't blame people for dropping him, as there is no indication that usage will change. But featuring him more and building a gameplan that includes him (leverage our top graded O Line, use more PA out of running formations, etc.) seems to be the smart thing to do that the Raiders, for whatever reason, are not doing.
If they do, Lynch's fortunes change IMHO.
He looks to be running with every bit of power and violence as he did in SEA. Raiders have not committed to using him as a feature hammer, which like some other backs, he appears to need to be in order to get into the rhythm, grind Ds down, etc.
He isn't DJ or Bell, but saying he has lost his ability or his fire means to me that you haven't seen him play.
Which is partially fair, because Downing certainly isn't giving him the consistent reps to maximize his skill set.
Wouldn't blame people for dropping him, as there is no indication that usage will change. But featuring him more and building a gameplan that includes him (leverage our top graded O Line, use more PA out of running formations, etc.) seems to be the smart thing to do that the Raiders, for whatever reason, are not doing.
If they do, Lynch's fortunes change IMHO.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
His usage won't change until the games are must win. The Raiders said going into the year that they wanted to keep his carries down.
Weebs210
Footballguy
So which is it? That he is only cashing checks or the coaches keeping his carries down until must win?
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
They don't want to win? They need must win games to change his usage?
@Magic_Man not sure if you were being facetious, @msudaisy26 that comment is ridiculous and misunderstands the team's situation. The team has faced must-win games for weeks already.
Raiders were 2-4 heading into TNF when the incident occurred. They are 3-4 now. With that start, and with the Chiefs surging and Broncos and Chargers also challenging in their own division going into that game (not to mention where they would stand against potential wildcard teams like the Bills, Dolphins, Ravens, Jags/Titans/Texans, hell even Jets and Bengals if they continue to improve and win), every game is a must win for the Raiders. And this is not a new development.
Their entire season rests on winning as many games as they can right now. Losing even the next game against the Bills nearly makes it a mathematic impossibility to make the playoffs (they only have a 16% shot as it stands now).
Needing to win games was true arguably after Week 3 with the loss to the Redskins, and certainly true after our loss to the Broncos in Week 4 given the Chiefs' trajectory. So every game being a must win was pretty evident midway through our 4 game losing streak prior to last week.
The root cause of this problem is poor offensive playcalling/game planning. Whether the urgent need to win now changes Downing's approach when Lynch is back or not remains to be seen. I don't hold out hope as Downing is, unfortunately, no Musgrave. It's been clear to us Raider fans from the start (see our thread for proof) that our offensive playcalling has been suspect and not leveraging the team's strengths -- and particularly Lynch's. At this point, it may already be too late.
I agree with @Stompin' Tom Connors. I've seen Marshawn run well with his opportunities; but he's (1) not getting the volume and (2) the Raiders offense has been mostly terrible in the early part of the season (and #1 is related to #2). I drafted Marshawn as an RB2 primarily on the potential for a lot of TDs. Not a ton of red zone opportunities so far.
That said, I'm holding him because it looks like the offense has some life after the KC game. We'll see.
That said, I'm holding him because it looks like the offense has some life after the KC game. We'll see.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Combo, he isn't as good. He came back for the pay day, but he was always a guy that could show you how good he was in the 4th quarter after he wore teams out, he will not likely get that chance.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That was probably a bad way to phrase it, but the coaches said before the year started they wanted to keep him fresh for December and January, I doubt that changes now that they won a game without him basically.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Wrong and wrong.
My biggest fear of Lynch returning was that he would not be the same runner he was in SEA -- was very critical in watching him play to see any signs of ineffectiveness due to being out of the game for a year+ -- and though I've purposely tried hard to find any flaws, I don't see them. At all. The only flaw is that our play calling isn't effectively using him as they could be. That's not on Lynch.
Lynch has always marched to a different drummer but money was never the motivating factor -- if it was, he would have been looking to resign with as many teams as he could. He specifically chose to return home to play in Oakland. That was the prime motivator to get him out of retirement.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Really wrong, he has been about the money several times, he couldn't sign with anyone, he was still under contract with Seattle, he didn't choose anyone.
The prime motivator to get him out of retirement was money, playing in his hometown was a bonus and lucky. I doubt a lot of people were beating down the door to talk to the Seahawks front office for Lynch.
Maybe take off the homer glasses and try again before you talk about people being wrong.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Even though I sold him several weeks ago for a 2018 1st round pick with Carr coming back and playing like a MVP he’s a hold with the hopes that things open up.
Tex
Agree with all of this and way he's used it's hard for him to get into a rhytm. He does not look done to me.
I'm for sure holding and with a bye in week 10 , not playing week 8 and limited in week 7 with general light use he's had all year I think he could be in for nice stretch run weeks 11 and beyond. Not RB1 kind of stuff, but solid RB2 kind of stuff.
These pieces suggest otherwise:
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/21/14989840/marshawn-lynch-comeback-retirement-timeline-raiders-seahawks
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/marshawn-lynch-decided-to-return-when-he-found-out-raiders-were-leaving-oakland/
("Just to play in Oakland is a dream come true," Lynch said. "It's always been something, being from Oakland, you want to play at home or have that opportunity. Them staying, it probably wouldn't have been so big for me to want to come and play. But knowing that they were leaving and a lot of the kids here won't have the opportunity to see most of their idols growing up be in their hometown anymore, me being from here, them continuing to be here, it gives them an opportunity to see somebody who actually did it from where they're from.")
http://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/article/Marshawn-Lynch-11307007.php
And, no, I'm not even close to a homer. Grew up as a "Raider hater" as a San Diego Charger fan.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Ah, the limp, toothless and ham-fisted personal attacks. The last gasp resort of someone without logic or proof at hand.
Some fact for you. While Lynch had referred to potentially unretiring, he only reached out to Oakland (travelling to their facility to talk to Del Rio & Co) about the possibility. There was no other team that was really mentioned or engaged in talks. Multiple sources for this that you can look at (even with your propensity to eschew fact for opinion), but here's one:
Seahawks general manager John Schneider told a Seattle radio station that he has discussed a deal to send Lynch to Oakland with Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie in case Lynch does come out of retirement.
"We've had dialogue about it," Schneider told KIRO-AM. "Marshawn is trying to figure things out, the Raiders are trying to figure things out. My understanding is that if he would want to come back and play that it would be for the Raiders and that would be it."
Lynch later went on the record to state the only reason he unretired was to play for his hometown Raiders before they moved to Las Vegas.
So you are absolutely wrong about this being about the money. Why visit one team if the idea was to get the most money possible? Why not make it a bidding war?
You are also wrong about the fact playing in his hometown was a bonus situation and lucky. It was the single prime motivator.
I am absolutely open to any facts you'd like to put forward about how Lynch is all about the money, and only the money. Aside from a single holdout in 2014, which isn't exactly unique in the NFL, I don't see any proof where Lynch acts simply out of concern with money.
But providing facts is so hard as opposed throwing out easier, baseless opinion, right?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
and no player has ever said coming home was a dream come true, or playing for Cleveland is a dream come true after the were drafted. Players say that crap all the time. Other than a hold out I have never seen anything about money. What did you think I was talking about? Sorry my fact wasn't good enough.
We will never know, but I bet he would have come back for any team willing to pay him. He preferred to play in Oakland and he pulled the I will only play for Oakland routine, and why? Because he couldn't create a bidding war, did you see how long it took Peterson to sign? Old backs aren't in high demand or can command a high salary.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Ah, the laughing smiley face too -- poignant and well played. Yet another fantastic tool for those grasping at straws.
Other than a hold out I have never seen anything about money. What did you think I was talking about? Sorry my fact wasn't good enough.
We will never know, but I bet he would have come back for any team willing to pay him. He preferred to play in Oakland and he pulled the I will only play for Oakland routine, and why? Because he couldn't create a bidding war, did you see how long it took Peterson to sign? Old backs aren't in high demand or can command a high salary.
Actions speak louder than words. The fact that Lynch didn't consider unretiring until the Raiders announced their move, and spoke to the Raiders and only the Raiders, and then himself said that this was the impetus for his unretiring (later corroborated by others who had similar conversations with Lynch) shows me that this is not about money at all.
Sorry, but what fact did you yourself actually provide that showed otherwise?
Again, much like flat-earthers or 9/11 truthers, or you are absolutely welcome to your personal opinion that he would have come back for any team, despite that there was no indication whatsoever of that. But don't get all up in a bunch if people in the Pool call you out for trying to pass off opinion as fact.
Have a good one!
Weebs210
Footballguy
thehoch
Footballguy
From what I've seen this is Carr's team......is it his ego or something else.....I do not know. I've watched a few games where the Raiders had the ball at the one yard line and instead of pounding the ball they let Carr try and pass for a TD. Makes no sense to me. I wouldn't drop yet.....I am going to wait one more game after the suspension and see what happens. Raiders are crazy for not giving him at least 18-20 touches a game. Why in the hell did they bring in him? Maybe to sell season tickets in Oakland since he's a hometown boy and they are leaving to Las Vegas and wanted to guarantee a few more fannies in the seats? Who knows....
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Lynch is a hold for me in a short bench league (5).
He's at the lowest value (Carr injured, bad game scripts, and suspension), so you're likely not going to get much for him. However, if you can stash him on the bench he has the potential to be closer and TD dependent RB a la Blount, Gillislee, etc. It's not what people drafted him to be it's too valuable to leave on the wire.
It all just really depends on how you view the Raiders offense. If you think there's even a chance the offense can get back to last year's levels...then keeping Lynch is a no brainer. If you're down on OAK O (and there are concerns) then let the man go. It really has nothing to do with Lynch, because he has looked good with the limited carriers even if the numbers suggest otherwise. Still takes 2-3 people to take him down.
He's at the lowest value (Carr injured, bad game scripts, and suspension), so you're likely not going to get much for him. However, if you can stash him on the bench he has the potential to be closer and TD dependent RB a la Blount, Gillislee, etc. It's not what people drafted him to be it's too valuable to leave on the wire.
It all just really depends on how you view the Raiders offense. If you think there's even a chance the offense can get back to last year's levels...then keeping Lynch is a no brainer. If you're down on OAK O (and there are concerns) then let the man go. It really has nothing to do with Lynch, because he has looked good with the limited carriers even if the numbers suggest otherwise. Still takes 2-3 people to take him down.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
My friend kept asking me during the KC game if Lynch was injured and I was trying to explain to him that they literally go full quarters without giving him a snap.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I remember those instances as well and JDR responding that in those situations, the D was completely keyed in on the run so they thought that a pass would present a higher scoring probability.
Lynch always has been and still is a guy who falls forward a yard even if he’s popped at the LOS. “If you aren’t gonna use him there, why use him at all,” I remember thinking.
Unfortunately the Raiders haven’t been using him nearly at all.....
Weebs210
Footballguy
70/15/15 and it isn't close. Why coaches do not let a RB get a rythm is beyond dumb. Just look at the saints now that it isn't a 3 headed monster for example.
shadrap
Footballguy
thehoch
Footballguy
YEP!
Lynch still has gas in the tank. He's beastmode for a reason. You have to give him at least 15 touches a game to make him effective. Constantly rotating him in and out and giving him limited touches isn't going to make him effective. I honestly believe part of the reason he ran on the field during the altercation is because he is frustrated with his season. Yes he went to help his cousin who plays for the Chiefs but I think he is seriously frustrated. I'm holding him for one more week after the suspension. If he has another 10 touch 45 yard game, I'm dropping him for a backup running back with upside.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
It's a fair point, as Richard and Washington have been serviceable, if not specatcular, in tandem with each other and with the primary back (i.e. Lat Murray).
Problem is, we know what we get with a spread distro -- not what we could do with a true thumper like Lynch.
When I look at distro from last year, we seem to be following the same distro -- last year, Murray received 44.9% of all rush attempts, Washington and Richard had 39.2% (20% and 19.2% respectively), with all other runners (including QBs) making up 15.9%.
This year, Lynch has 47.4%, Richard and Washington 38.2% (23% and 15.2% respectively), and the rest 14.5%.
Difference being that last year, we had the 6th ranked rushing offense in the NFL by yards; this year so far? 24th.
Part of this is our shoddier O-line play, but I believe another part is that adopting the same plan with different personnel isn't as successful, and you need to change that approach to fit the personnel. This is especially true since Lynch is the first punishing-style back we've had since Bo (who had a lot of other attributes, but running at and through guys was one them, as Boz can attest to) and Wheatley.
If the gameplan isn't yielding the same results, you need to shift approaches to leverage strengths of the individual players -- something I havent't seen Downing do so much this year, which is my biggest criticism of him as an O coordinator.
In ppr I dropped for dion Lewis.
Even in desperation mode he didn't get the full workload before being ejected.
Hes playing well but all I see is him bruising the defense, and then the other backs (and cordarrelle Patterson) go in and get a 20+ yard td.
Plus he's getting no receptions at all to help him.
He's better for real football than fantasy this year
Even in desperation mode he didn't get the full workload before being ejected.
Hes playing well but all I see is him bruising the defense, and then the other backs (and cordarrelle Patterson) go in and get a 20+ yard td.
Plus he's getting no receptions at all to help him.
He's better for real football than fantasy this year
zoonation
Footballguy
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
HOLD UP - He looks good during his suspension stiff-arming 15 year olds to the ground in practice.
https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2017/10/26/16552984/marshawn-lynch-high-school-practice-wrecked-teens
https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2017/10/26/16552984/marshawn-lynch-high-school-practice-wrecked-teens
zoonation
Footballguy
oof. this is terrible logic. he holds out 3 years ago because he is being underpaid = he only came back for the money? you're missing several steps (or better evidence) to get you to your conclusion. weak.
Other than a hold out I have never seen anything about money. What did you think I was talking about? Sorry my fact wasn't good enough.
We will never know, but I bet he would have come back for any team willing to pay him. He preferred to play in Oakland and he pulled the I will only play for Oakland routine, and why? Because he couldn't create a bidding war, did you see how long it took Peterson to sign? Old backs aren't in high demand or can command a high salary.