The most interesting off-season topic I don't hear being discussed (1 Viewer)

[datonn]

What happens in dynasty leagues to older veteran player value (player leaving or past their fantasy prime) if negotiations between owners and the NFLPA break-down and the possibility of a shortened or lost 2011 season looks more and more likely as we roll into the Spring and Summer?

I think the owners and players will hammer-out an agreement, as neither group wants to lose billions! That said, I think about fantasy owners right now who are sitting on players like:

QB Donovan McNabb, WAS

QB Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

RB Ryan Grant, GB

RB Ronnie Brown, MIA

WR Terrell Owens

WR Hines Ward, PIT

WR Donald Driver, GB

WR Derrick Mason, BAL

TE Todd Heap, BAL

TE Dallas Clark, IND (though I hate to list him here...he's going to be 32 and a FA this time next year, right?)

If current owners think 2011 might have been their "last hurrah" related to startable fantasy value, what do they do when April....May....June...??? rolls around and the owners and NFLPA still show no signs of agreeing on a new CBA?

It's something I've been thinking about a lot lately. I just can't decide if I should try and be an aggressive buyer (on the cheap) later this Spring, when I'm basically less-than-enthusiastic about said players' chances in 2012 and beyond as well.

What do you all think?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

What happens in dynasty leagues to older veteran player value (player leaving or past their fantasy prime) if negotiations between owners and the NFLPA break-down and the possibility of a shortened or lost 2011 season looks more and more likely as we roll into the Spring and Summer?I think the owners and players will hammer-out an agreement, as neither group wants to lose billions! That said, I think about fantasy owners right now who are sitting on players like:QB Donovan McNabb, WASQB Matt Hasselbeck, SEARB Ryan Grant, GBRB Ronnie Brown, MIAWR Terrell OwensWR Hines Ward, PITWR Donald Driver, GBWR Derrick Mason, BALTE Todd Heap, BALTE Dallas Clark, IND (though I hate to list him here...he's going to be 32 and a FA this time next year, right?)If current owners think 2011 might have been their "last hurrah" related to startable fantasy value, what do they do when April....May....June...??? rolls around and the owners and NFLPA still show no signs of agreeing on a new CBA?It's something I've been thinking about a lot lately. I just can't decide if I should try and be an aggressive buyer (on the cheap) later this Spring, when I'm basically less-than-enthusiastic about said players' chances in 2012 and beyond as well.What do you all think?

I think that Dallas Clark is the only player on that list whose value isn't already at rock-bottom, really. I don't think their values can go much lower, except in the case of Clark and maybe Grant.I do like the idea of the thread though. I just don't think those players have value high enough to worry about in the first place...I think your chances of "prying" them away from an owner would be just as good if the CBA was agreed upon tomorrow.

 

[datonn]

I think that Dallas Clark is the only player on that list whose value isn't already at rock-bottom, really. I don't think their values can go much lower, except in the case of Clark and maybe Grant.I do like the idea of the thread though. I just don't think those players have value high enough to worry about in the first place...I think your chances of "prying" them away from an owner would be just as good if the CBA was agreed upon tomorrow.

Yeah, that's where I hate listing names...since I don't want the thread getting hijacked debating specific player value.I'm coming at it from the standpoint of very deep leagues. 16+ teams, 50+ player rosters, 18-20 starters/week, etc. Leagues where a player like Donald Driver and Derrick Mason are still every-week starters for their respective owners. Obviously everybody thinks they are nearing their end and isn't going to pay a good young WR prospect or early rookie draft pick to get them. However, if you're close to competing (or one of the favorites of making a run through Week 14-16) and there are 48-64 WRs being started every week, those players still have value. A lot of value. Not long-term value, but value in 2011.I'm just wondering if their owners "panic" a bit and try and dump them for whatever they can get when looking to 2012 as the "next" potential season, where you could buy them even MORE on the cheap than you otherwise can.

 

[Bri]

if the teams have little offseason work, then the Titans QB position might be a decent spot for a veteran to have immediate value as they just won't have time to train a rook. IMO almost retired Kerry Collins would then have a job, not the guys listed above.

I don't see many stop gap scenarios in the NFL to increase their value.

Some of those listed have mouths and attitude that would limit which teams are interested in them and that seems reasonable to me.

I hate when an inexperienced QB suddenly jumps in in the playoffs. It might make a nice story occasionally but most of the time it doesn't. It's a story of him being unprepared and/or the situation being simply too big for a "nervous Pervis." I've seen Hass and McNabb throw plenty of interceptions, but I still feel like (if they accept it) they could be invaluable to some team as a just in case type backup. I don't want to hear McNabb whine all year, but if he replaces Peyton in the Supe and wins it all...

I simply hate that all the game planning and practice and predictions and everything we anticipate are all but thrown away if some guy goes in there all nervous.

BTW Has Heap ever gone a season without being hurt?

 

[datonn]

Of the players I've listed, Dallas Clark is the no-brainer I'd be trying to go after. However, I think all those WRs make interesting plays as well...along with some other veterans in their 30s who might need 2011 to have their trade values decline to more-reasonable levels...but whose owners might decide to cut-bait if it looks like 2011 might not happen. WRs like Steve Smith, CAR and Santana Moss, UFA. Players who still have a great deal of talent/potential, but who will be another year older in 2012, with lots of uncertainty swirling around what uniform they might be wearing by then.

I'm just looking at the "psychology" a bit, trying to determine when the right time to pounce might be if negotiations between owners and the NFLPA drag on well into the Spring/Summer.

 

[Bri]

Is Ocho Datonn?

 

[datonn]

Is Ocho Datonn?

I suppose Chad Johnson could be considered in that same group too. If you own him and you know he'll be 34 by the time he suited up in 2012, I have to believe that more than a few owners would be tempted to cut-bait and sell him a under 2011 market value. Of course it's the age-old riddle too: What's something worth? Whatever someone is willing to pay me for it. But if someone thinks he'll spend the next 18 months doing Twitter instead of suiting up on Sunday, he'd be another one to look at if you think he'll have gas left in the tank at 33-34.

 

[Shutout]

I just came off a dynasty league startup draft and had your line of thought in my mind and I saw a small handful of players that, I don't know if their draft position was affected by similar thinking, but I am sure that your concern is very crucial to them.

Reggie Wayne

Michael Turner

Hines Ward

These are guys that are still getting it done and owners "may" be starting to get the SELL thought on them and would normally be thinging "DO i push for the title with these guys" or start to rebuild.

These three guys, IMO, are probably among the most likely to make the most negative impact for their owners in dynasty leagues should we not have a season. I probably have more faith in them than most to continue to get the job done past this season but I'm guessing that if you added one year of age to any of them AND we did not have a season this year, people would be very leery to take them on.

 

[griff321]

I think the impending limbo will give certain players outstanding value in drafts.

The real problem is that new coaching staffs can't meet with players and start installing their playbooks. I wonder how long it's going to take to get their offenses installed and what effect it will have.

 

[Bri]

Is Ocho Datonn?

I suppose Chad Johnson could be considered in that same group too. If you own him and you know he'll be 34 by the time he suited up in 2012, I have to believe that more than a few owners would be tempted to cut-bait and sell him a under 2011 market value. Of course it's the age-old riddle too: What's something worth? Whatever someone is willing to pay me for it. But if someone thinks he'll spend the next 18 months doing Twitter instead of suiting up on Sunday, he'd be another one to look at if you think he'll have gas left in the tank at 33-34.

I think it's possible (moreso than any other year, with expected new cap and new CBA) that he follows Carson somewhere. He is very likely to get an incentive laden deal at his age which would have to offer some concern about whom is throwing the ball to him. It would be far more entertaining to hear his comments and read his tweets if Rex Grossman were throwing him the ball, but I gotta imagine his agent is pointing out how important the QB would then be to his bankroll.