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The New York Jets: This year's surprise team? (1 Viewer)

Assani Fisher

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I wrote this before the season started. Obviously a few of the points are outdated now that we've seen 2 games, but most of the argument still stands imo. Thoughts?

Every year there is a team that comes completely out of nowhere to make the playoffs. And I'm not talking about teams like Miami or Arizona this year- those are trendy "surprise" picks that a ton of people are saying will do well. I'm talking COMPLETELY out of nowhere. Consider last year. The Bears were coming off of a 5-11 season in which they finished dead last in their division. Then they lost Rex Grossman in the preseason, and decided to go with a rookie 4th round QB to start for them! Everyone thought they would be horrible again. And somehow they manage to dominate their division and make the playoffs.Or two years ago....the SD Chargers were coming off of a 4-12 season, tied for worst in the entire NFL. Remember how Eli Manning refused to even play for them? They were considered a laughingstock of the NFL. Gates comes out of nowhere, Brees becomes a pro bowler, and they flip that record to 12-4!If I were to have made a thread about either of those teams before the NFL season started, everyone would've laughed. And I expect the same to happen here. I'm not picking an obvious surprise team here. I'm sticking my neck out there and picking a team that nobody is giving a chance, and I very well could look terrible when they lose tomorrow and/or when they go on to have another horrible year. But before you blindly critisize, make a pick of your own.Ok, so lets look at some qualities that a good surprise pick should have. I wouldn't say that its a necessity for a team to have all of these, but at least a few of them should be seen...1. Average or bad division- clearly its going to be tough for a team like New Orleans, Oakland, or Cleveland to be surprise teams simply because of their tough divisions.2. An easy out-of-division schedule- pretty self explanatory here.3. A team that is unfairly undervalued because they were affected negatively by injuries last year- One of my favorite things to do is to take a look at a team that has reamined in tact their key pieces the past few years and has been good for most years but had everything fall apart last year. Usually those teams are undervalued for the current year because all anyone remembers is the most recent year.4. Positive offseason moves that have been pretty quiet and unnoticed. Things like improving offensive or defensive line play, hiring a new coordinator, adding a few high character guys, gettng an emotional leader back from injury, and so on. These things don't always grab the headlines like the Cowboys' signing of T.O., but they can be just as important.5. Winnable early season games to give the team confidence- I believe that confidence is huge in the NFL, and teams with easy early schedules, especially young teams, are very fortunate.So without further ado, my 2006 surprise pick: the NY Jets.Lets take a look at how they stack up in these areas:1. Everyone expects the Bills to be horrible, so no need to waste any time there. The Dolphins are a bit of an enigma- yes, they finished last year with 6 wins, so things are pointing up. But those 6 wins only included one quality opponent that wasn't sitting their starters. And they didn't look like a playoff team in week 1, although thats obviously a tough opening matchup. Then comes NE. Everyone expects NE to dominate, and rightfully so. But the Branch holdout really is one of the worst things that could've happened to them imo. I'm a huge Brady supporter, but you've got to be kidding me with those WRs. Is there anyone to draw double teams at all on this roster? Add in to the fact that Dillon has never been a great pass catching back, and I simply don't see why teams won't put 8 in the box. And that NE defense is getting old and much worse. Their D is still living off their reputation from the past few years, but they finished 26th in yards allowed and 17th in points allowed last year....clearly their D isn't going to carry them anymore. 2. The Jets have a mixed bag here. They have a few really tough games for sure, but they also do play quite a few of the bottomfeeders of the NFL. Take a look:@TennesseeIndianapolis@JacksonvilleDetroit@ClevelandChicagoHouston@Green Bay@MinnesotaOakland3. In 2004, the Jets went 10-6 and won a playoff game. In 2005, they lost their starting QB for pretty much the whole year, and they lost their stud RB for a good portion of the year. They also had quite a few injuries on defense, although the names are escaping me right now. I think this Jets team clearly fits the bill here.4. Maybe the biggest reason that I'm picking them here is this. I absolutely love their draft. They skipped on the sexy pick in Leinart, and took a guy who could be one of the most dominating lineman in the league immediately in Ferguson, then they followed that up with a steal in getting Mangold late in the first. Those two picks and Trey Teague coming in should immediately make their o-line a very above average unit, and we all know that football is won in the trenches. Everyone loves to write off Pennington due to his lack of arm strength, but I think that guys like Brady and Montana have proven that smart and accurate QBs can succeed in this league. Remember this is the same guy who lead the league with a 104 QB rating in his first year as a starter. Hell, even in his last year(2004) he had a very good 91 rating. This guy isn't a bad QB at all. And then you have the addition of Barlow. Clearly this guy isn't a complete stud, but its one of those quiet upgrades that go unnoticed but could be huge.And then of course theres the coaching change. Now I don't know a ton about Mangini, but I do know that he has great credentials and has experience with working under other fabulous coaches. I think that a new attitude was needed in NY, and I see this as an upgrade over Herm, who always seemed like a great guy who I rooted for, but who frustrated the hell ouf of me with his conservatism.Last year the Jets finished with the 12th ranked defense in yardage allowed....not horrible at all, and in Vilma they have a star to build around. Also they brought in Kimo von Oelhoffen who from everything I"ve heard is known for his leadership- that should greatly help the younger players on this squad. Offense was the clear problem with this team, and I believe that these moves I've discussed above give them a chance to drastically change things.5. I wouldn't call the Jets early schedule "easy" as they'll most likely be underdogs in every game. But the games are clearly winnable. Its not like they're opening up on the road against Pittsburgh, Seattle, and Denver here. They open up on the road in Tennesee, then face New England at home, then travel to Buffalo. Now, as I said, they're going to be slight underdogs in all 3 of these games. But would it shocked anyone that much if they went 3-0 here? I don't think its that much of a reach.So there you have it....bash away. Obviously I understand that this is a huge reach, but it happens every year, and I think that everyone could be underestimating this team.
 
Assani,

I'm a Jets Fan. And stated that the Jets would be a competitive 6-10 team. Plenty of close calls, but not enough talent to make a 9-7 run.

The running game is weak and the defense is only decent. So the thought hasn't changed.

The schedule is nice, but they are going to win a game someplace they shouldn't and lose a few they shouldn't. I am encouraged by Mangini, I was skeptical; but he looks like he has a good handle on being a HC based on camp and two games.

 
I think the Bills will outperform the Jets because the Bills have what the Jets dont: a running game.

Unfortunately for both, the AFC North will likely grab the wildcards and neither can beat the Pats.

 
1. played the Titans, against a QB who had 5 minutes to learn the system.

2. played very well against a good defense in week 2, but the Pats leading WR played corner last year and is 35.

While I appear to be totally wrong in thinking the Jets were up for the #1 pick, they are not playoff caliber. They might be able to beat Buffalo, weeks 4-6 are almost certain losses, but weeks 7 and 8 are winnable. Going into the week 9 bye, the Jets should be 3-5

 
Assani,I'm a Jets Fan. And stated that the Jets would be a competitive 6-10 team. Plenty of close calls, but not enough talent to make a 9-7 run.The running game is weak and the defense is only decent. So the thought hasn't changed.The schedule is nice, but they are going to win a game someplace they shouldn't and lose a few they shouldn't. I am encouraged by Mangini, I was skeptical; but he looks like he has a good handle on being a HC based on camp and two games.
But what was your preseason analysis of those SD and Chicago teams that made those surprise runs? Surely you also thought that those teams had "not enough talent to make a 9-7 run" too, no? Thats pretty much my point- every year nowadays it seems like a team that nobody would've thought comes completely out of nowhere. All of the preseason analysis pointed towards them being a bottom feeder due to their lack of talent. Yet they somehow pull it all together. And then after the season, its easy to look back and see the talent they had(Brees is a pro bowler, Gates is the best TE in the league, Chicago's D is one of the better units of all time, etc.)Who is to say that looking back on this year we won't see a ton of talent in retrospect that we just didn't see upon first glance? Maybe Coles is this year's Steve Smith, maybe Barlow is this year's Lamant Jordan once he learns the system, maybe Vilma and that D is this year's Chicago Bears D, and so on.
 
I think the Bills will outperform the Jets because the Bills have what the Jets dont: a running game.Unfortunately for both, the AFC North will likely grab the wildcards and neither can beat the Pats.
I think I actually drastically underestimated the Bills in my write up. I dismissed them rather quickly for sure. Clearly looking back this might have changed a bit of my analysis.
 
1. played the Titans, against a QB who had 5 minutes to learn the system.2. played very well against a good defense in week 2, but the Pats leading WR played corner last year and is 35. While I appear to be totally wrong in thinking the Jets were up for the #1 pick, they are not playoff caliber. They might be able to beat Buffalo, weeks 4-6 are almost certain losses, but weeks 7 and 8 are winnable. Going into the week 9 bye, the Jets should be 3-5
As I said, I wrote this before the season started, so neither of those 2 games had anything to do with my thoughts.Guys, I realize that most of you probably think this is a horrible team- theres no need to tell me that. Most people think every "surprise team" is a horrible team before the season started. Quick go find me one non-homer prediction that said the Chargers two years ago would do anything at all. Or go find me one optimistic non-homer Bears analysis after Grossman went down in the preseason last year.OZ, your statements here are just reiterating common thought, but they don't specifically rebuke any of my various points in the OP.
 
Next year.

The rookies on the OL need to jell. Maybe add another good Guard and RT.

Let the defense learn the system and replace some parts - add a Wide Body in the middle.

Add a 1st round RB.

:CHAMPIONSHIP:

 
I think the Bills will outperform the Jets because the Bills have what the Jets dont: a running game.Unfortunately for both, the AFC North will likely grab the wildcards and neither can beat the Pats.
I think I actually drastically underestimated the Bills in my write up. I dismissed them rather quickly for sure. Clearly looking back this might have changed a bit of my analysis.
I think you did underestimate the Bills. They have two of the three ingredients: A good defense and a running game. The Jets have only a passing game. Will it be enough? I doubt it.
 
I think the Bills will outperform the Jets because the Bills have what the Jets dont: a running game.Unfortunately for both, the AFC North will likely grab the wildcards and neither can beat the Pats.
I think I actually drastically underestimated the Bills in my write up. I dismissed them rather quickly for sure. Clearly looking back this might have changed a bit of my analysis.
I think you did underestimate the Bills. They have two of the three ingredients: A good defense and a running game. The Jets have only a passing game. Will it be enough? I doubt it.
Last year's defensive rankings:Jets: 23rd in points allowedBills: 24th in points allowedJets: 2nd in pass yards allowedBills: 19th in pass yards allowedJets: 29th in rush yards allowedBills: 31st in rush yards allowedJets: 12th in total yards allowedBills: 29th in total yards allowedJets: 16th in takeawaysBills: 20th in takeawaysExplain to me how Buffalo has a good defense but the Jets don't.
 
I think the Bills will outperform the Jets because the Bills have what the Jets dont: a running game.Unfortunately for both, the AFC North will likely grab the wildcards and neither can beat the Pats.
I think I actually drastically underestimated the Bills in my write up. I dismissed them rather quickly for sure. Clearly looking back this might have changed a bit of my analysis.
I think you did underestimate the Bills. They have two of the three ingredients: A good defense and a running game. The Jets have only a passing game. Will it be enough? I doubt it.
Last year's defensive rankings:Jets: 23rd in points allowedBills: 24th in points allowedJets: 2nd in pass yards allowedBills: 19th in pass yards allowedJets: 29th in rush yards allowedBills: 31st in rush yards allowedJets: 12th in total yards allowedBills: 29th in total yards allowedJets: 16th in takeawaysBills: 20th in takeawaysExplain to me how Buffalo has a good defense but the Jets don't.
Because that's based on last year's rankings....5 new starters for the Bills on D, including Spikes being back (well, not really)But I do think the Jets have an under appreciated Defense. As soon as you get your rookies on OL (I love Mangold) you'll be fine. Too me, the tide will be turning in that division for the next 5-7 years.
 
I think the Bills will outperform the Jets because the Bills have what the Jets dont: a running game.Unfortunately for both, the AFC North will likely grab the wildcards and neither can beat the Pats.
I think I actually drastically underestimated the Bills in my write up. I dismissed them rather quickly for sure. Clearly looking back this might have changed a bit of my analysis.
I think you did underestimate the Bills. They have two of the three ingredients: A good defense and a running game. The Jets have only a passing game. Will it be enough? I doubt it.
Last year's defensive rankings:Jets: 23rd in points allowedBills: 24th in points allowedJets: 2nd in pass yards allowedBills: 19th in pass yards allowedJets: 29th in rush yards allowedBills: 31st in rush yards allowedJets: 12th in total yards allowedBills: 29th in total yards allowedJets: 16th in takeawaysBills: 20th in takeawaysExplain to me how Buffalo has a good defense but the Jets don't.
Have you watched the Bills defense against NE (17-19) or Miami (16-6)? They gave up 1 more point their last 2 games than the Jets did to the Pats this past week alone. The Bills do have a running game, the Jets, anything but. So Ozymandias was right. I hope you don't consider giving up an average of 20 points a game a good defense. Kerry Collins just came into that offense 12 days before putting up 16 points against the Jets. As for the running game, the Jets have two guys totalling 50 carries so far for a whopping 120 yards. And you can't tell me the Titans defense was tough. Michael Turner had more yards on 13 carries against the Titans than Blaylock and Barlow did combined in both weeks. I understand you're happy for the Jets rather surprising start but I wouldn't set my expectations for the season that high or try to convince others that the Jets are a playoff team. After this weekend, Jets and Bills will be 2-1.
 
Next year.The rookies on the OL need to jell. Maybe add another good Guard and RT.Let the defense learn the system and replace some parts - add a Wide Body in the middle.Add a 1st round RB.:CHAMPIONSHIP:
:goodposting: the jets will be competitive, but not playoff caliber. The good news is, the amount of holes seems far less than before the year starts. Top needs for the jets(not in any specific order)1) A playmaking RB that can carry an offense the way curtis did. Id pretty much sell my future first born child to get adrian peterson in Green next summer.2) nose tackle- the 3-4 just doesnt work without a big space eater3) road grating guard or Right tackle- our run blocking is awful right now.fill these, and give the guys we have a year to gell and learn, and i think the jets could make a run at the playoffs next year.
 
Unless the Jets can establish a running game, winning any more than 8 games is sheer irrational hopefullness. Having said that, they "may" be able to get a respectable running game going. Kendall was out this week, and Teague returns. If the Jets start D'Brick, Kendall, Mangold, Teague and Clement, from left to right.... and bench Blaylock, and can consistantly get over 100 yards rushing each week from Barlow, Houston and Washington combined, and Pennington continies to play this well.... too many ifs. They won't be the doormats everyone (or at least SO many predicted them to be), but I'm looking for 7 wins, and I'm an optomist.

Vilma was on NY radio today, and he said he srill isn't completely comfortable in the 3-4. He said it was like being a freshman in college. This defense will take some time to improve, as will the two rookie linemen. By week 11, they might be able to really challenge every team remaining on the schedule.

If they can find a way to beat the Bills and Phins, and go into week 7 at 3-3..... I could see them winning against Houston, GB, Detroit and Oakland easilly.... Cleveland could be a win too...but sweeping Miami and Buffalo would be VERY difficult. 7 wins, unless they shock they world, somehow... I don't see any chance of beating NE, Jax, Indy, Chi or Minny. If you are right..... they will need to be 3-3 after week 6. I think they split with both Miami and the Bills, get swept by the Pats, lose to Jax, lose to Chi, lose to Minny and lose to Indy. That's 8 losses right there. I say 7 wins. 8, if they can sweep Miami.

 
I think the Bills will outperform the Jets because the Bills have what the Jets dont: a running game.Unfortunately for both, the AFC North will likely grab the wildcards and neither can beat the Pats.
I think I actually drastically underestimated the Bills in my write up. I dismissed them rather quickly for sure. Clearly looking back this might have changed a bit of my analysis.
I think you did underestimate the Bills. They have two of the three ingredients: A good defense and a running game. The Jets have only a passing game. Will it be enough? I doubt it.
Last year's defensive rankings:Jets: 23rd in points allowedBills: 24th in points allowedJets: 2nd in pass yards allowedBills: 19th in pass yards allowedJets: 29th in rush yards allowedBills: 31st in rush yards allowedJets: 12th in total yards allowedBills: 29th in total yards allowedJets: 16th in takeawaysBills: 20th in takeawaysExplain to me how Buffalo has a good defense but the Jets don't.
Have you watched the Bills defense against NE (17-19) or Miami (16-6)? They gave up 1 more point their last 2 games than the Jets did to the Pats this past week alone. The Bills do have a running game, the Jets, anything but. So Ozymandias was right. I hope you don't consider giving up an average of 20 points a game a good defense. Kerry Collins just came into that offense 12 days before putting up 16 points against the Jets. As for the running game, the Jets have two guys totalling 50 carries so far for a whopping 120 yards. And you can't tell me the Titans defense was tough. Michael Turner had more yards on 13 carries against the Titans than Blaylock and Barlow did combined in both weeks. I understand you're happy for the Jets rather surprising start but I wouldn't set my expectations for the season that high or try to convince others that the Jets are a playoff team. After this weekend, Jets and Bills will be 2-1.
In 2004, the Bills ranked third against the pass, and seventh against the run. Last year, they were decimated by injuries. It appear they are back to the 2004 level, based on their first two games.
 
we don't know who is good and who sucks yet (except the raiders, maybe). it's all conjecture at this point.

 
I think the Bills will outperform the Jets because the Bills have what the Jets dont: a running game.

Unfortunately for both, the AFC North will likely grab the wildcards and neither can beat the Pats.
I think I actually drastically underestimated the Bills in my write up. I dismissed them rather quickly for sure. Clearly looking back this might have changed a bit of my analysis.
I think you did underestimate the Bills. They have two of the three ingredients: A good defense and a running game. The Jets have only a passing game. Will it be enough? I doubt it.
Last year's defensive rankings:Jets: 23rd in points allowed

Bills: 24th in points allowed

Jets: 2nd in pass yards allowed

Bills: 19th in pass yards allowed

Jets: 29th in rush yards allowed

Bills: 31st in rush yards allowed

Jets: 12th in total yards allowed

Bills: 29th in total yards allowed

Jets: 16th in takeaways

Bills: 20th in takeaways

Explain to me how Buffalo has a good defense but the Jets don't.
Because that's based on last year's rankings....5 new starters for the Bills on D, including Spikes being back (well, not really)But I do think the Jets have an under appreciated Defense. As soon as you get your rookies on OL (I love Mangold) you'll be fine. Too me, the tide will be turning in that division for the next 5-7 years.
Just for the record, I'm a die hard Redskins and Ravens fan and have no care about the Jets other than I'm currently living in NY.
 
I think the Bills will outperform the Jets because the Bills have what the Jets dont: a running game.Unfortunately for both, the AFC North will likely grab the wildcards and neither can beat the Pats.
I think I actually drastically underestimated the Bills in my write up. I dismissed them rather quickly for sure. Clearly looking back this might have changed a bit of my analysis.
I think you did underestimate the Bills. They have two of the three ingredients: A good defense and a running game. The Jets have only a passing game. Will it be enough? I doubt it.
Last year's defensive rankings:Jets: 23rd in points allowedBills: 24th in points allowedJets: 2nd in pass yards allowedBills: 19th in pass yards allowedJets: 29th in rush yards allowedBills: 31st in rush yards allowedJets: 12th in total yards allowedBills: 29th in total yards allowedJets: 16th in takeawaysBills: 20th in takeawaysExplain to me how Buffalo has a good defense but the Jets don't.
Have you watched the Bills defense against NE (17-19) or Miami (16-6)? They gave up 1 more point their last 2 games than the Jets did to the Pats this past week alone. The Bills do have a running game, the Jets, anything but. So Ozymandias was right. I hope you don't consider giving up an average of 20 points a game a good defense. Kerry Collins just came into that offense 12 days before putting up 16 points against the Jets. As for the running game, the Jets have two guys totalling 50 carries so far for a whopping 120 yards. And you can't tell me the Titans defense was tough. Michael Turner had more yards on 13 carries against the Titans than Blaylock and Barlow did combined in both weeks. I understand you're happy for the Jets rather surprising start but I wouldn't set my expectations for the season that high or try to convince others that the Jets are a playoff team. After this weekend, Jets and Bills will be 2-1.
Guys, you all are looking at the first two games and referencing that. I wrote the OP before the season started- I couldn't post it on here because I was suspended. So keep in mind that you kind of have an "unfair advantage" over me in this debate due to your knowledge of the first two games. Obviously my call could end up being way off....but I would like to hear some thoughts on what I wrote. Imagine that you have no clue how those first two games went- do you think I made some good points? If you read this before the season would I have convinced you that the Jets would surprise a bit? I think that its a decently thought out prediction. Even some good predictions turn out to be wrong sometimes.
 
I think the Bills will outperform the Jets because the Bills have what the Jets dont: a running game.Unfortunately for both, the AFC North will likely grab the wildcards and neither can beat the Pats.
I think I actually drastically underestimated the Bills in my write up. I dismissed them rather quickly for sure. Clearly looking back this might have changed a bit of my analysis.
I think you did underestimate the Bills. They have two of the three ingredients: A good defense and a running game. The Jets have only a passing game. Will it be enough? I doubt it.
Last year's defensive rankings:Jets: 23rd in points allowedBills: 24th in points allowedJets: 2nd in pass yards allowedBills: 19th in pass yards allowedJets: 29th in rush yards allowedBills: 31st in rush yards allowedJets: 12th in total yards allowedBills: 29th in total yards allowedJets: 16th in takeawaysBills: 20th in takeawaysExplain to me how Buffalo has a good defense but the Jets don't.
Have you watched the Bills defense against NE (17-19) or Miami (16-6)? They gave up 1 more point their last 2 games than the Jets did to the Pats this past week alone. The Bills do have a running game, the Jets, anything but. So Ozymandias was right. I hope you don't consider giving up an average of 20 points a game a good defense. Kerry Collins just came into that offense 12 days before putting up 16 points against the Jets. As for the running game, the Jets have two guys totalling 50 carries so far for a whopping 120 yards. And you can't tell me the Titans defense was tough. Michael Turner had more yards on 13 carries against the Titans than Blaylock and Barlow did combined in both weeks. I understand you're happy for the Jets rather surprising start but I wouldn't set my expectations for the season that high or try to convince others that the Jets are a playoff team. After this weekend, Jets and Bills will be 2-1.
In 2004, the Bills ranked third against the pass, and seventh against the run. Last year, they were decimated by injuries. It appear they are back to the 2004 level, based on their first two games.
very good point. Agreed there.
 
2-1 with two road wins now.
If they can beat Miami, which doesn't look all that hard to do, they will go 3-3. This was a must win for your long shot prediction, but so far, so good. I still think the Jets are a 7 win team, (and yes, I'm an optomistic rabid Jets fan) but..... Houston willed himself into the end zone.... once Mangini realizes that Washington is his best CoP 3rd down back, and that Houston is better than Barlow..... they might even win 8. The people I want to hear from are the ones who confidently called the Jets the worst team in the league.... and there were large numbers of them. The Jets and the 49er's were very under rated teams..... not playoff contenders, but far away from the NFL doormats so many said they would be.
 
I think the Bills will outperform the Jets because the Bills have what the Jets dont: a running game.

Unfortunately for both, the AFC North will likely grab the wildcards and neither can beat the Pats.
I think I actually drastically underestimated the Bills in my write up. I dismissed them rather quickly for sure. Clearly looking back this might have changed a bit of my analysis.
I think you did underestimate the Bills. They have two of the three ingredients: A good defense and a running game. The Jets have only a passing game. Will it be enough? I doubt it.
Last year's defensive rankings:Jets: 23rd in points allowed

Bills: 24th in points allowed

Jets: 2nd in pass yards allowed

Bills: 19th in pass yards allowed

Jets: 29th in rush yards allowed

Bills: 31st in rush yards allowed

Jets: 12th in total yards allowed

Bills: 29th in total yards allowed

Jets: 16th in takeaways

Bills: 20th in takeaways

Explain to me how Buffalo has a good defense but the Jets don't.
Have you watched the Bills defense against NE (17-19) or Miami (16-6)? They gave up 1 more point their last 2 games than the Jets did to the Pats this past week alone. The Bills do have a running game, the Jets, anything but. So Ozymandias was right. I hope you don't consider giving up an average of 20 points a game a good defense. Kerry Collins just came into that offense 12 days before putting up 16 points against the Jets. As for the running game, the Jets have two guys totalling 50 carries so far for a whopping 120 yards. And you can't tell me the Titans defense was tough. Michael Turner had more yards on 13 carries against the Titans than Blaylock and Barlow did combined in both weeks. I understand you're happy for the Jets rather surprising start but I wouldn't set my expectations for the season that high or try to convince others that the Jets are a playoff team. After this weekend, Jets and Bills will be 2-1.
:confused: A lot of people looking a little foolish now after NY won in Buffalo today rather easily(up 15 before a late TD).

 
2-1 with two road wins now.
If they can beat Miami, which doesn't look all that hard to do, they will go 3-3. This was a must win for your long shot prediction, but so far, so good. I still think the Jets are a 7 win team, (and yes, I'm an optomistic rabid Jets fan) but..... Houston willed himself into the end zone.... once Mangini realizes that Washington is his best CoP 3rd down back, and that Houston is better than Barlow..... they might even win 8. The people I want to hear from are the ones who confidently called the Jets the worst team in the league.... and there were large numbers of them. The Jets and the 49er's were very under rated teams..... not playoff contenders, but far away from the NFL doormats so many said they would be.
Houston won't get significant time until he learns how to block
 
2-1 with two road wins now.
If they can beat Miami, which doesn't look all that hard to do, they will go 3-3. This was a must win for your long shot prediction, but so far, so good. I still think the Jets are a 7 win team, (and yes, I'm an optomistic rabid Jets fan) but..... Houston willed himself into the end zone.... once Mangini realizes that Washington is his best CoP 3rd down back, and that Houston is better than Barlow..... they might even win 8. The people I want to hear from are the ones who confidently called the Jets the worst team in the league.... and there were large numbers of them. The Jets and the 49er's were very under rated teams..... not playoff contenders, but far away from the NFL doormats so many said they would be.
Houston won't get significant time until he learns how to block
You make it sound like Barlow can block.....
 
2-1 with two road wins now.
If they can beat Miami, which doesn't look all that hard to do, they will go 3-3. This was a must win for your long shot prediction, but so far, so good. I still think the Jets are a 7 win team, (and yes, I'm an optomistic rabid Jets fan) but..... Houston willed himself into the end zone.... once Mangini realizes that Washington is his best CoP 3rd down back, and that Houston is better than Barlow..... they might even win 8. The people I want to hear from are the ones who confidently called the Jets the worst team in the league.... and there were large numbers of them. The Jets and the 49er's were very under rated teams..... not playoff contenders, but far away from the NFL doormats so many said they would be.
Houston won't get significant time until he learns how to block
You make it sound like Barlow can block.....
He's actually adequate which is something Houston has not shown to be.
 
I was pretty impressed with Washington today. He seems to be pegged as a scatback/3rd down type, but he does seem to have some power/burst in addition to shiftiness. I'd like to see what he can do with a larger workload if Barlow can't get it done and/or gets hurt.

 
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2-1 with two road wins now.
If they can beat Miami, which doesn't look all that hard to do, they will go 3-3. This was a must win for your long shot prediction, but so far, so good. I still think the Jets are a 7 win team, (and yes, I'm an optomistic rabid Jets fan) but..... Houston willed himself into the end zone.... once Mangini realizes that Washington is his best CoP 3rd down back, and that Houston is better than Barlow..... they might even win 8. The people I want to hear from are the ones who confidently called the Jets the worst team in the league.... and there were large numbers of them. The Jets and the 49er's were very under rated teams..... not playoff contenders, but far away from the NFL doormats so many said they would be.
Houston won't get significant time until he learns how to block
You make it sound like Barlow can block.....
He's actually adequate which is something Houston has not shown to be.
Your opinion has as much legs as your presence on this site....3, 2, 1.....
 
Main thing I'd be worried about as a Jets fan is the running game - on both sides of the ball. McGahee sliced through them like a knife through warm butter with a crappy O-line, and the Jets haven't had a running game all season. Eventually, that'll be their downfall if things don't improve.

 
Main thing I'd be worried about as a Jets fan is the running game - on both sides of the ball. McGahee sliced through them like a knife through warm butter with a crappy O-line, and the Jets haven't had a running game all season. Eventually, that'll be their downfall if things don't improve.
For some reason, McGahee has always run the ball well against the Jets, no matter who the personnel/coordinators are.
 
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Main thing I'd be worried about as a Jets fan is the running game - on both sides of the ball. McGahee sliced through them like a knife through warm butter with a crappy O-line, and the Jets haven't had a running game all season. Eventually, that'll be their downfall if things don't improve.
Yup. But, on the offensive side, the young line should improve as the season progresses. Plus, none of those guys are Curtis Martin back there, but I think we'll do ok with the RBBC. Nex year, we'll try to add a stud runner. On defense, I'm less sure, b/c I think it's a matter of finding the right personnel for the 3-4 D and them getting more comfy with it.But, hey, for now, who cares... the J-E-T-S JETS are 2-1. :clap: :pickle: :clap:
 
we'll find out in the next two weeks.

vs IND.

@ Jax.
As a Jets fan, 4-4 wouldn't be bad with those two games followed by Cleveland/Detroit/Miami. You'd probably hope for 5-3, but 4-4 wouldn't be bad, and would leave this young team with a chance to go 5-3 in the second half and sneak into the playoffs. Obviously having a strong AFC record would be huge. Beating out one of Jax/Balt/Pitt won't be easy, and it's not like Miami/KC/Denver are going away.
 
we'll find out in the next two weeks.

vs IND.

@ Jax.
As a Jets fan, 4-4 wouldn't be bad with those two games followed by Cleveland/Detroit/Miami. You'd probably hope for 5-3, but 4-4 wouldn't be bad, and would leave this young team with a chance to go 5-3 in the second half and sneak into the playoffs. Obviously having a strong AFC record would be huge. Beating out one of Jax/Balt/Pitt won't be easy, and it's not like Miami/KC/Denver are going away.
4-4 wouldn't be bad at all, considering the infancy of the Jets at this point.However, I was more or less answering the question of whether or not the Jets could be a surprise team. The way they've been playing, I expect them to beat Cleveland and Detroit, BUT could you imagine if they were to beat either Indy or Jax? The Jets would then qualify as a "surprise" team IMO, they definitely would get the attention of the league as a team that is serious about making a run at the playoffs.

 
we'll find out in the next two weeks.

vs IND.

@ Jax.
As a Jets fan, 4-4 wouldn't be bad with those two games followed by Cleveland/Detroit/Miami. You'd probably hope for 5-3, but 4-4 wouldn't be bad, and would leave this young team with a chance to go 5-3 in the second half and sneak into the playoffs. Obviously having a strong AFC record would be huge. Beating out one of Jax/Balt/Pitt won't be easy, and it's not like Miami/KC/Denver are going away.
4-4 wouldn't be bad at all, considering the infancy of the Jets at this point.However, I was more or less answering the question of whether or not the Jets could be a surprise team. The way they've been playing, I expect them to beat Cleveland and Detroit, BUT could you imagine if they were to beat either Indy or Jax? The Jets would then qualify as a "surprise" team IMO, they definitely would get the attention of the league as a team that is serious about making a run at the playoffs.
I hardly think beating Jacksonville is that surprising -- the Jaguars don't put teams away, and the Jets don't kill themselves. That game seems destined to be 13-10 in the 4th quarter, and could go either way.Beating Indianapolis looks more challenging, of course, but it's just one game. If the Jets win it hardly guarantees the playoffs and if the Jets lose it hardly eliminates them. If I had my preference I'd win the AFC East games, and going 4-2 (or even 5-1, which seems unlikely) would be much better.

As a fan, I agree it would be exciting if the Jets beat the Colts. But I don't care much what the media and the rest of the league thinks of the team.

 
The thread seems to be asking for THE surprise team of 2006. As in only one. Right now, I'd say its the Saints. They won 3 games last year. No-one expected this.

 
alright alright, you win.The Jets are a lot better than I (or almost anyone) thought.
When you have a top flight QB, you're going to be a pretty good team. Pennington's healthy and playing as well as he did in 2002. But let's not make any judgments about a team mid-game; still a full quarter+ to go with Indy.
 
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alright alright, you win.The Jets are a lot better than I (or almost anyone) thought.
When you have a top flight QB, you're going to be a pretty good team. Pennington's healthy and playing as well as he did in 2002. But let's not make any judgments about a team mid-game; still a full quarter+ to go with Indy.
Simply keeping close to Indy shows me enough to make a judgment.
 
2-1 with two road wins now.
If they can beat Miami, which doesn't look all that hard to do, they will go 3-3. This was a must win for your long shot prediction, but so far, so good. I still think the Jets are a 7 win team, (and yes, I'm an optomistic rabid Jets fan) but..... Houston willed himself into the end zone.... once Mangini realizes that Washington is his best CoP 3rd down back, and that Houston is better than Barlow..... they might even win 8. The people I want to hear from are the ones who confidently called the Jets the worst team in the league.... and there were large numbers of them. The Jets and the 49er's were very under rated teams..... not playoff contenders, but far away from the NFL doormats so many said they would be.
good post, as a Jet fan , I really hope the bold statement comes true
 
Well I was totally wrong about NE collapsing this year. And I guess I was also totally wrong about overlooking New Orleans because of that "tough division." The Jets are going to have to get a wild card to make the playoffs, which won't be easy, but I do think its somewhat possible with Jacksonville and San Diego faltering today.

Jets are currently 4-3...man does that Indy loss look huge now! Here is their remaining schedule:

Oct 29 @Cleveland 4:15pm 119 143

Week 9 BYE

Nov 12 @New England 1:00pm 146 146

Nov 19 Chicago 1:00pm 146 146

Nov 26 Houston 1:00pm 122 123

Dec 3 @Green Bay 1:00pm 153 153

Dec 10 Buffalo 1:00pm 152 152

Dec 17 @Minnesota 1:00pm 146 123

Dec 25 @Miami 8:30pm 125 123

Dec 31 Oakland 1:00pm 144 144

Lets count the NE and Chi games as losses. And lets count the Hous, Buff, and Oak games(all at home) games as wins. That puts them at 7-5. 11-5 is pretty much a guaranteed playoff spot. 10-6 would be very much on the fence. Their other 4 games are all road games: Min, Mia, GB, and Cle...certainly they look winnable. Can they go 3-1 in those games? Its hard to say for sure, but I wouldn't count them out just yet.

 
Has been quite the up and down season for them. They win at New England one week, but then they lose at home to Buffalo and on the road to Cleveland. They give the Colts one of their biggest tests of the season(while they were still considered a super power) and then get blown out by Jacksonville. I still think they can make the playoffs, but that loss last week hurts them big time.

 
I thought Buffalo owould determine their season last week.

A win, and they would make the playoffs, a loss, and they would miss the playoffs.

The loss last week, gave me that same ol Jets feel.

A game they should win, they lose.

With that said, I didn't expect 7 wins in 06 & 07 combined, so the rest is just gravey.

The Jets look like they are heading in the right direction, full steam ahead

 
good call assani. Im trying to get a ticket for sunday to see this thing through to the end. Id already have one if my uncle hadnt sold the seats out from under us this year. 9th row 45 yard line. :banned:

 
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And they're in!

Great rebound year for the Jets. Very glad to see Pennington start 16 games and prove all the doubters wrong. Obviously Mangini is the AFC COY and either him or Payton will win NFLCOY honors. Great season all around for Gang Green.

And the Jets are peaking at the right time, and should be in good shape for a playoff upset. New York is 6-2 on the road, with one loss being the Cleveland game (missed TD call at the end).

 

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