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The Newsroom - new HBO series from Aaron Sorkin (1 Viewer)

Don't get all the dislike - how many shows are flat out better than this and currently showing? 5? At best?
Breaking Bad

Boardwalk Empire

The Bridge

Justified

Ray Donovan

Sons of Anarchy (yes I went there)

Game of Thrones

Dexter (although this season has been a real horror)

The Americans

And those are just the shows I'm into. None of these shows contain unrealistic snappy dialogue, insufferable characters (save for Dexter), and political wanking off by the show's overrated and self-important creator.

 
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Really not sure why its so hard to believe that it occurred to her to look at the shot clock while she was reviewing the interview footage after having a conversation about shot clocks
It's not. It was the lengthy shot clock conversation with Will, which would never happen in a BILLION years which has me :rolleyes:
I'd say the worse part is how they didn't even need the shot clock...which admittedly would be hard to spot in its small placement during the interview...but that they focused on that when there was a clear jump in the video at the point the General "verified" the story. It went something like...guy dribbling the ball in the back court...to guy shooting off the wing.

 
Since some of you (cough cough) dislike Sepinwall, let's see what the av club has to say about it.

The final scene sort of sh-ts all over this. Not enough to tank the whole episode, but enough to drag it down a couple of points. Look: I can explain this away. Leona doesn’t like the News Night team, but she likes them a fair sight better than a former employee who messed with raw footage and has the temerity to file a wrongful termination lawsuit like it wasn’t his fault. I get that she doesn’t want to pay him, and because she doesn’t, she needs the News Night team to stick around. And I’ll even grant you that Jane Fonda bellowing, “Then get it back!” toward the camera before a smash-cut to black is a pretty kick-### ending. But the whole scene just feels like the worst of this show, from the way it seems designed to exonerate the protagonists for the #### they’ve just ####ed up, because it would suck if they ever seemed unlikable or complex or human to the way that Leona keeps repeating Daniel Craig’s name, like that’s a thing that will start being hilarious at some point. And the part where Rebecca wanders in to tell Leona not to accept the team’s resignations? Just ugh.

In any other episode, that final scene would just blend into the woodwork. In “Red Team III,” however, an episode with consequences and stakes and dramatic conflict, this scene is a particularly egregious example of how the show can never quite stick to something interesting if it might lead to the protagonists having to suffer for their professional sins. Consequences and stakes are the most important aspects of drama, and without them, things fall apart. Maybe that’s why the last scene feels so much more jarring than it would have otherwise. “Red Team III” dangles the prospect of a version of this series where things matter, and it’s delicious. And then it has the audacity to walk almost all of it back, and you realize you’re still watching The Newsroom.
 
Don't get all the dislike - how many shows are flat out better than this and currently showing? 5? At best?
Breaking Bad

Boardwalk Empire

The Bridge

Justified

Ray Donovan

Sons of Anarchy (yes I went there)

Game of Thrones

Dexter (although this season has been a real horror)

The Americans

And those are just the shows I'm into. None of these shows contain unrealistic snappy dialogue, insufferable characters (save for Dexter), and political wanking off by the show's overrated and self-important creator.
When I meant currently showing, I meant currently showing first run episodes right now - that guts your list (and I don't know if Dexter is new now or not).

 
Don't get all the dislike - how many shows are flat out better than this and currently showing? 5? At best?
Breaking Bad

Boardwalk Empire

The Bridge

Justified

Ray Donovan

Sons of Anarchy (yes I went there)

Game of Thrones

Dexter (although this season has been a real horror)

The Americans

And those are just the shows I'm into. None of these shows contain unrealistic snappy dialogue, insufferable characters (save for Dexter), and political wanking off by the show's overrated and self-important creator.
When I meant currently showing, I meant currently showing first run episodes right now - that guts your list (and I don't know if Dexter is new now or not).
Pretty sure Breaking Bad is "currently showing"...

 
Don't get all the dislike - how many shows are flat out better than this and currently showing? 5? At best?
Breaking Bad

Boardwalk Empire

The Bridge

Justified

Ray Donovan

Sons of Anarchy (yes I went there)

Game of Thrones

Dexter (although this season has been a real horror)

The Americans

And those are just the shows I'm into. None of these shows contain unrealistic snappy dialogue, insufferable characters (save for Dexter), and political wanking off by the show's overrated and self-important creator.
When I meant currently showing, I meant currently showing first run episodes right now - that guts your list (and I don't know if Dexter is new now or not).
Oh. I thought you meant shows that are currently still airing.

Do you want to narrow it down to shows that run on Sunday evenings? Then Newsroom may have a fighting chance, but that's become a quality night for television.

 
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Don't get all the dislike - how many shows are flat out better than this and currently showing? 5? At best?
Breaking Bad

Boardwalk Empire

The Bridge

Justified

Ray Donovan

Sons of Anarchy (yes I went there)

Game of Thrones

Dexter (although this season has been a real horror)

The Americans

And those are just the shows I'm into. None of these shows contain unrealistic snappy dialogue, insufferable characters (save for Dexter), and political wanking off by the show's overrated and self-important creator.
When I meant currently showing, I meant currently showing first run episodes right now - that guts your list (and I don't know if Dexter is new now or not).
Oh. I thought you meant shows that are currently still airing.

Do you want to narrow it down to shows that run on Sunday evenings? Then Newsroom may have a fighting chance, but that's become a quality night for television.
That's a lame argument. So I errored on Breaking Bad. So right now, it's one of the 5 best shows on TV of this season. Which puts it in like the top 1% of primetime TV - but complain away.

 
I honestly think there are two major groups regarding this show

1 - the group that hates the show beacuse they feel Sorkin is talking down to them

2 - the group that appreciates Sorkin trying to make a more challenging show

I know this post won't be popular - and I am sure there is a third minor group

 
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Third group. It's not challenging or condescending, just an entertaining fictional television show.
I'm in that group. I still think it's a great show although I liked the first season more.

Also, I may be in the minority but I thought Maggie looked pretty damn good when she was all drunked up in the bar two episodes ago.

 
Third group. It's not challenging or condescending, just an entertaining fictional television show.
I'm in that group. I still think it's a great show although I liked the first season more.Also, I may be in the minority but I thought Maggie looked pretty damn good when she was all drunked up in the bar two episodes ago.
thought the same thing. She's nowhere near attractive 95 percent of the time but was definitely looking better in that scene. We're talking like a 3 point jump on the 1-10 scale

 
Don't get all the dislike - how many shows are flat out better than this and currently showing? 5? At best?
Breaking Bad

Boardwalk Empire

The Bridge

Justified

Ray Donovan

Sons of Anarchy (yes I went there)

Game of Thrones

Dexter (although this season has been a real horror)

The Americans

And those are just the shows I'm into. None of these shows contain unrealistic snappy dialogue, insufferable characters (save for Dexter), and political wanking off by the show's overrated and self-important creator.
When I meant currently showing, I meant currently showing first run episodes right now - that guts your list (and I don't know if Dexter is new now or not).
Oh. I thought you meant shows that are currently still airing.

Do you want to narrow it down to shows that run on Sunday evenings? Then Newsroom may have a fighting chance, but that's become a quality night for television.
That's a lame argument. So I errored on Breaking Bad. So right now, it's one of the 5 best shows on TV of this season. Which puts it in like the top 1% of primetime TV - but complain away.
What defines a season to you? Many of the shows you so delicately crossed off are going to start in a couple weeks.

Talk about lame arguments. Top 1% of primetime tv. :lmao:

 
Third group. It's not challenging or condescending, just an entertaining fictional television show.
I'm in that group. I still think it's a great show although I liked the first season more.

Also, I may be in the minority but I thought Maggie looked pretty damn good when she was all drunked up in the bar two episodes ago.
:goodposting: Agree with all this. I'm not a TV guy, really. I don't watch a fraction of what most of you watch. I look at the list of shows above from Brady Marino and the only one I've ever seen more than one episode of is Dexter and I like Newsroom way more than that....though I enjoyed Dexter a bit.

I'm entertained. :shrug: I bought HBO just for this new season alone. I'll cancel when it's over. Maggie in the bar was very cute. Again, I've met probably 50+ FBGs....ain't a one of you that could pull Maggie on her worst day. Sorry, but it's true.

 
Don't get all the dislike - how many shows are flat out better than this and currently showing? 5? At best?
Breaking Bad

Boardwalk Empire

The Bridge

Justified

Ray Donovan

Sons of Anarchy (yes I went there)

Game of Thrones

Dexter (although this season has been a real horror)

The Americans

And those are just the shows I'm into. None of these shows contain unrealistic snappy dialogue, insufferable characters (save for Dexter), and political wanking off by the show's overrated and self-important creator.
When I meant currently showing, I meant currently showing first run episodes right now - that guts your list (and I don't know if Dexter is new now or not).
Oh. I thought you meant shows that are currently still airing.

Do you want to narrow it down to shows that run on Sunday evenings? Then Newsroom may have a fighting chance, but that's become a quality night for television.
That's a lame argument. So I errored on Breaking Bad. So right now, it's one of the 5 best shows on TV of this season. Which puts it in like the top 1% of primetime TV - but complain away.
What defines a season to you? Many of the shows you so delicately crossed off are going to start in a couple weeks.

Talk about lame arguments. Top 1% of primetime tv. :lmao:
Can't follow your reasoning. And the smilies don't give your reasoning any credibility.

My concept can't be that hard to understand - if you are going to sit around and watch a first run show in July & August, Newsroom would be a top 5 selection - but you want to argue how bad it is - go ahead - the truth is you are watching it because it is one of the better options on TV right now - or you wouldnt be watching.

 
Don't get all the dislike - how many shows are flat out better than this and currently showing? 5? At best?
Breaking Bad

Boardwalk Empire

The Bridge

Justified

Ray Donovan

Sons of Anarchy (yes I went there)

Game of Thrones

Dexter (although this season has been a real horror)

The Americans

And those are just the shows I'm into. None of these shows contain unrealistic snappy dialogue, insufferable characters (save for Dexter), and political wanking off by the show's overrated and self-important creator.
When I meant currently showing, I meant currently showing first run episodes right now - that guts your list (and I don't know if Dexter is new now or not).
Oh. I thought you meant shows that are currently still airing.

Do you want to narrow it down to shows that run on Sunday evenings? Then Newsroom may have a fighting chance, but that's become a quality night for television.
That's a lame argument. So I errored on Breaking Bad. So right now, it's one of the 5 best shows on TV of this season. Which puts it in like the top 1% of primetime TV - but complain away.
What defines a season to you? Many of the shows you so delicately crossed off are going to start in a couple weeks.

Talk about lame arguments. Top 1% of primetime tv. :lmao:
Can't follow your reasoning. And the smilies don't give your reasoning any credibility.

My concept can't be that hard to understand - if you are going to sit around and watch a first run show in July & August, Newsroom would be a top 5 selection - but you want to argue how bad it is - go ahead - the truth is you are watching it because it is one of the better options on TV right now - or you wouldnt be watching.
1. Don't assume because...well, you know what happens. I jumped off this ship in the first episode of this season. I keep catching a minute or two here and there and just shake my head every time.

2. :lmao: at being all iSmartguy with the smilies.

 
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I honestly think there are two major groups regarding this show

1 - the group that hates the show beacuse they feel Sorkin is talking down to them

2 - the group that appreciates Sorkin trying to make a more challenging show

I know this post won't be popular - and I am sure there is a third minor group
Maybe that third group are those who feel like the entire show is made to be some sort of mouthpiece for Sorkin's political agenda. The writing suffers from this badly. Just a couple of examples of this (from season 1 as I have not watched season 2): A) The main character is a Republican but never once championed anything that would be a conventional Republican position. It makes the character feel like inauthentic and little more than a way to attack the right more with a 'see this guy who is one of them who thinks that they are all crazy too'. B) I mentioned it earlier in this thread but when the most annoying character I have ever seen on TV (Allison Pill) goes on a rant about Bachmann saying something about what God told her. Again, the same mechanism is used where the annoying little girl says how Bachmann is so dumb and oh, by the way, she is a Christian too. Never mind that pretty much every Christian I know would understand that another Christian saying something that Bachmann said is almost always not talking about an audible voice.

This is opposed to how West Wing was much more authentic in view. The President and his staff were Democrats and obviously liberal. You expected them to have passionately Democratic and liberal viewpoints. So, when they did, it felt 'right' and not just a way to make political points through entertainment. Also, I never got a 'preaching' vibe that I get in the Newsroom. There is no balancing or any effort to balance. I am wondering now if the network had influence over West Wing to make it more universally accessible where as HBO does not care if it is or not.

Something else that separates West Wing from Newsroom is that West Wing was in a whole different universe while Newsroom is in ours just a few years behind us. This again may increase the way Newsroom rubs wrong as in West Wing if there was some nasty woman from some Christian organization that does not exist- it was easy to be more sympathetic to the view of the characters in West Wing. You are in a make believe world with no reason to force you into real life views. In Newsroom, it forces you into real world and there will obviously be some reaction to that and resentment if it just seems like the show is one big way to say 'you are stupid'.

 
We talking the actress that plays Maggie or the character?
:goodposting:

Seem like the character will bang just about anyone right now, and if not right away, give her a couple of drinks.

I think strawberry-blonde Allison Pill is cute - flaming red-head, not so much.

 
The list of actors/characters that I like and will watch for:

Charlie/Sam Waterston - love drunk Charlie

Sloan/Olivia Munn - I'd probably watch anything she was in

Will/Jeff Daniels

MacKenzie/Emily Mortimer

Neal/Dev Patel

Don/Thomas Sadowski (did not like this character at first, but kind of like him now)

Bit characters I like

Reese Lansing/Chris Messina

Leona Lansing/Jane Fonda

Hallie/Grace Gummer (did not know she was Meryl Streep's daughter)

 
The Jerry Dantoni character is horrible.
I am guessing that is partly by design - give the audience someone to hate, so they don't misdirect their anger at the main characters for flubbing a news story so badly. But I agree, can't stand the character.

 
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I honestly think there are two major groups regarding this show

1 - the group that hates the show beacuse they feel Sorkin is talking down to them

2 - the group that appreciates Sorkin trying to make a more challenging show

I know this post won't be popular - and I am sure there is a third minor group
Maybe that third group are those who feel like the entire show is made to be some sort of mouthpiece for Sorkin's political agenda. The writing suffers from this badly. Just a couple of examples of this (from season 1 as I have not watched season 2): A) The main character is a Republican but never once championed anything that would be a conventional Republican position. It makes the character feel like inauthentic and little more than a way to attack the right more with a 'see this guy who is one of them who thinks that they are all crazy too'. B) I mentioned it earlier in this thread but when the most annoying character I have ever seen on TV (Allison Pill) goes on a rant about Bachmann saying something about what God told her. Again, the same mechanism is used where the annoying little girl says how Bachmann is so dumb and oh, by the way, she is a Christian too. Never mind that pretty much every Christian I know would understand that another Christian saying something that Bachmann said is almost always not talking about an audible voice.

This is opposed to how West Wing was much more authentic in view. The President and his staff were Democrats and obviously liberal. You expected them to have passionately Democratic and liberal viewpoints. So, when they did, it felt 'right' and not just a way to make political points through entertainment. Also, I never got a 'preaching' vibe that I get in the Newsroom. There is no balancing or any effort to balance. I am wondering now if the network had influence over West Wing to make it more universally accessible where as HBO does not care if it is or not.

Something else that separates West Wing from Newsroom is that West Wing was in a whole different universe while Newsroom is in ours just a few years behind us. This again may increase the way Newsroom rubs wrong as in West Wing if there was some nasty woman from some Christian organization that does not exist- it was easy to be more sympathetic to the view of the characters in West Wing. You are in a make believe world with no reason to force you into real life views. In Newsroom, it forces you into real world and there will obviously be some reaction to that and resentment if it just seems like the show is one big way to say 'you are stupid'.
I think you might be missing the point of the show. The whack job right media has polluted the dialogue in the country to fubar levels. That's why he has adopted the tone. He's pissed off. That was just beginning when he made the West Wing. The climate has changed significantly since then.

 
Don't get all the dislike - how many shows are flat out better than this and currently showing? 5? At best?
Breaking Bad

Boardwalk Empire

The Bridge

Justified

Ray Donovan

Sons of Anarchy (yes I went there)

Game of Thrones

Dexter (although this season has been a real horror)

The Americans

And those are just the shows I'm into. None of these shows contain unrealistic snappy dialogue, insufferable characters (save for Dexter), and political wanking off by the show's overrated and self-important creator.
When I meant currently showing, I meant currently showing first run episodes right now - that guts your list (and I don't know if Dexter is new now or not).
Oh. I thought you meant shows that are currently still airing.

Do you want to narrow it down to shows that run on Sunday evenings? Then Newsroom may have a fighting chance, but that's become a quality night for television.
That's a lame argument. So I errored on Breaking Bad. So right now, it's one of the 5 best shows on TV of this season. Which puts it in like the top 1% of primetime TV - but complain away.
What defines a season to you? Many of the shows you so delicately crossed off are going to start in a couple weeks.

Talk about lame arguments. Top 1% of primetime tv. :lmao:
Can't follow your reasoning. And the smilies don't give your reasoning any credibility.

My concept can't be that hard to understand - if you are going to sit around and watch a first run show in July & August, Newsroom would be a top 5 selection - but you want to argue how bad it is - go ahead - the truth is you are watching it because it is one of the better options on TV right now - or you wouldnt be watching.
1. Don't assume because...well, you know what happens. I jumped off this ship in the first episode of this season. I keep catching a minute or two here and there and just shake my head every time.

2. :lmao: at being all iSmartguy with the smilies.
Kind of hard to indict a roughly 55 minute show on 2-3 minutes of air time - but let me git it right, you don't really even watch the show but you come here to complain about it. This would be an appropriate place for a eyeroll smilie.

 
Don't get all the dislike - how many shows are flat out better than this and currently showing? 5? At best?
Breaking Bad

Boardwalk Empire

The Bridge

Justified

Ray Donovan

Sons of Anarchy (yes I went there)

Game of Thrones

Dexter (although this season has been a real horror)

The Americans

And those are just the shows I'm into. None of these shows contain unrealistic snappy dialogue, insufferable characters (save for Dexter), and political wanking off by the show's overrated and self-important creator.
When I meant currently showing, I meant currently showing first run episodes right now - that guts your list (and I don't know if Dexter is new now or not).
Oh. I thought you meant shows that are currently still airing.

Do you want to narrow it down to shows that run on Sunday evenings? Then Newsroom may have a fighting chance, but that's become a quality night for television.
That's a lame argument. So I errored on Breaking Bad. So right now, it's one of the 5 best shows on TV of this season. Which puts it in like the top 1% of primetime TV - but complain away.
What defines a season to you? Many of the shows you so delicately crossed off are going to start in a couple weeks.

Talk about lame arguments. Top 1% of primetime tv. :lmao:
Can't follow your reasoning. And the smilies don't give your reasoning any credibility.

My concept can't be that hard to understand - if you are going to sit around and watch a first run show in July & August, Newsroom would be a top 5 selection - but you want to argue how bad it is - go ahead - the truth is you are watching it because it is one of the better options on TV right now - or you wouldnt be watching.
1. Don't assume because...well, you know what happens. I jumped off this ship in the first episode of this season. I keep catching a minute or two here and there and just shake my head every time.

2. :lmao: at being all iSmartguy with the smilies.
Kind of hard to indict a roughly 55 minute show on 2-3 minutes of air time - but let me git it right, you don't really even watch the show but you come here to complain about it. This would be an appropriate place for a eyeroll smilie.
You can use the eye roll smiley on me. I don't particularly enjoy the show. I have watched every episode. Some have been OK. Some, like Sunday's, IMO, have been awful.

I don't really know why I hate watch it. But I know it's not an uncommon phenomenon, even considering that the show doesn't get very good ratings.

I can see the bones of a decent show there, but every time I think Sorkin might have it figured out, he turns some female character into an idiot or Will back into a raging bore.

I say this as someone who:

A. Finds Allison Pill plenty attractive; and

B. Probably agrees with 90% of Sorkin's politics.

 
Apple Jack said:
Chadstroma said:
I honestly think there are two major groups regarding this show

1 - the group that hates the show beacuse they feel Sorkin is talking down to them

2 - the group that appreciates Sorkin trying to make a more challenging show

I know this post won't be popular - and I am sure there is a third minor group
Maybe that third group are those who feel like the entire show is made to be some sort of mouthpiece for Sorkin's political agenda. The writing suffers from this badly. Just a couple of examples of this (from season 1 as I have not watched season 2): A) The main character is a Republican but never once championed anything that would be a conventional Republican position. It makes the character feel like inauthentic and little more than a way to attack the right more with a 'see this guy who is one of them who thinks that they are all crazy too'. B) I mentioned it earlier in this thread but when the most annoying character I have ever seen on TV (Allison Pill) goes on a rant about Bachmann saying something about what God told her. Again, the same mechanism is used where the annoying little girl says how Bachmann is so dumb and oh, by the way, she is a Christian too. Never mind that pretty much every Christian I know would understand that another Christian saying something that Bachmann said is almost always not talking about an audible voice.

This is opposed to how West Wing was much more authentic in view. The President and his staff were Democrats and obviously liberal. You expected them to have passionately Democratic and liberal viewpoints. So, when they did, it felt 'right' and not just a way to make political points through entertainment. Also, I never got a 'preaching' vibe that I get in the Newsroom. There is no balancing or any effort to balance. I am wondering now if the network had influence over West Wing to make it more universally accessible where as HBO does not care if it is or not.

Something else that separates West Wing from Newsroom is that West Wing was in a whole different universe while Newsroom is in ours just a few years behind us. This again may increase the way Newsroom rubs wrong as in West Wing if there was some nasty woman from some Christian organization that does not exist- it was easy to be more sympathetic to the view of the characters in West Wing. You are in a make believe world with no reason to force you into real life views. In Newsroom, it forces you into real world and there will obviously be some reaction to that and resentment if it just seems like the show is one big way to say 'you are stupid'.
I think you might be missing the point of the show. The whack job right media has polluted the dialogue in the country to fubar levels. That's why he has adopted the tone. He's pissed off. That was just beginning when he made the West Wing. The climate has changed significantly since then.
So, what you are saying is that I am right.

 
Too bad for Jerry that the NCAA shot/game clock will show the inconsistency in the footage.
simpsons did it
c'mon this is awesome
Yup, this was a great post. Had me cracking up.

I don't disagree with the many faults of this show but it seems like the nitpicking in this thread goes above and beyond. (Not surprising in the FFA) To me, most episodes are very entertaining regardless of the many annoying scenes, lines, characters...

Thoroughly enjoyed this last episode, especially Leona's rant at the end. Yea, the "McMac" lines were brutal but Jane Fonda was excellent in this scene.

 
Too bad for Jerry that the NCAA shot/game clock will show the inconsistency in the footage.
simpsons did it
c'mon this is awesome
Yup, this was a great post. Had me cracking up.

I don't disagree with the many faults of this show but it seems like the nitpicking in this thread goes above and beyond. (Not surprising in the FFA) To me, most episodes are very entertaining regardless of the many annoying scenes, lines, characters...

Thoroughly enjoyed this last episode, especially Leona's rant at the end. Yea, the "McMac" lines were brutal but Jane Fonda was excellent in this scene.
:goodposting:

I'm entertained. I don't think it needs to be dissected to the degree Chadstroma is picking it apart, looking for flaws. It's a fun show that I like to watch on Sundays. I don't care that it's political in nature. So what? Being offended by this show might mean you need to tune down your sensitivity level. It's TV.

 
Too bad for Jerry that the NCAA shot/game clock will show the inconsistency in the footage.
simpsons did it
c'mon this is awesome
Yup, this was a great post. Had me cracking up.

I don't disagree with the many faults of this show but it seems like the nitpicking in this thread goes above and beyond. (Not surprising in the FFA) To me, most episodes are very entertaining regardless of the many annoying scenes, lines, characters...

Thoroughly enjoyed this last episode, especially Leona's rant at the end. Yea, the "McMac" lines were brutal but Jane Fonda was excellent in this scene.
:goodposting:

I'm entertained. I don't think it needs to be dissected to the degree Chadstroma is picking it apart, looking for flaws. It's a fun show that I like to watch on Sundays. I don't care that it's political in nature. So what? Being offended by this show might mean you need to tune down your sensitivity level. It's TV.
You're no Daniel Craig. Not even Roger Craig. Maybe Jim Craig.

 
Too bad for Jerry that the NCAA shot/game clock will show the inconsistency in the footage.
simpsons did it
c'mon this is awesome
Yup, this was a great post. Had me cracking up.

I don't disagree with the many faults of this show but it seems like the nitpicking in this thread goes above and beyond. (Not surprising in the FFA) To me, most episodes are very entertaining regardless of the many annoying scenes, lines, characters...

Thoroughly enjoyed this last episode, especially Leona's rant at the end. Yea, the "McMac" lines were brutal but Jane Fonda was excellent in this scene.
:goodposting:

I'm entertained. I don't think it needs to be dissected to the degree Chadstroma is picking it apart, looking for flaws. It's a fun show that I like to watch on Sundays. I don't care that it's political in nature. So what? Being offended by this show might mean you need to tune down your sensitivity level. It's TV.
You're no Daniel Craig. Not even Roger Craig. Maybe Jim Craig.
Craig Morton

 
I don't get you guys. I think the show is like any show, save for maybe five in history, in that it has uneven moments, up and down moments but generally, it is what it is. I don't know if this show, and I say this admitting I don't watch much episodic television these days. But in my mind, show direction, plot direction, character choices, seem like fair game for discussion. But I guess in my mind, I don't even begin to understand this handwringing about not liking certain characters, and repeatedly bringing this up. I mean, they're part of this palate of choices the show creator/s have created. They're archetypes of social dynamics and really going to present almost any environment. I work in a creative business, but I can assure you there has been a Maggie in every office. T

There are alphas and betas in this world and a gamut in between. It has never once occured to me in my life to complain about the inclusion of a character. With one exception because they functioned outside of the universe..Jar Jar Binks.

 
Too bad for Jerry that the NCAA shot/game clock will show the inconsistency in the footage.
simpsons did it
c'mon this is awesome
Yup, this was a great post. Had me cracking up.

I don't disagree with the many faults of this show but it seems like the nitpicking in this thread goes above and beyond. (Not surprising in the FFA) To me, most episodes are very entertaining regardless of the many annoying scenes, lines, characters...

Thoroughly enjoyed this last episode, especially Leona's rant at the end. Yea, the "McMac" lines were brutal but Jane Fonda was excellent in this scene.
:goodposting:

I'm entertained. I don't think it needs to be dissected to the degree Chadstroma is picking it apart, looking for flaws. It's a fun show that I like to watch on Sundays. I don't care that it's political in nature. So what? Being offended by this show might mean you need to tune down your sensitivity level. It's TV.
It irritates me because I was such a huge West Wing fan and so badly disappointed by this show in it's first season. I planned on giving it a try again but now I just have no desire to. The only reason why I am picking it apart is trying to communicate why it is such a disappointment. I would much rather HBO killed it and developed a series on the level of Sopranos, Rome, Game of Thrones, etc.

 

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