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The ***OFFICIAL*** 2018 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (1 Viewer)

We didn't have a visit with Edmunds?  That's a shocker.

We did have 6 people at the VT pro-day though. Tomlin. Colbert. Butler. Olsvasky. Hunt and the area scout.  :blush:

 
Jason La Canfora‏Verified account @JasonLaCanfora

2:41 PM - 21 Apr 2018

More people I talk to, more I get the sense that both Edmunds brothers are going in 1st round. Teams quietly/secretly covet Terrell

:ninja:

 
3rd round pick on final year of deal, no chance on Pitt resigning him and JuJus emergence, that's why.
Why tradr on Day 1 though, when you have no clue who is going to be there at 75?  Maybe there was a better deal to be had somewhere. Maybe keeping that weapon for one more year to make a run is more valuable. 

 
We didn't have a visit with Edmunds?  That's a shocker.

We did have 6 people at the VT pro-day though. Tomlin. Colbert. Butler. Olsvasky. Hunt and the area scout.  :blush:
Evidently, we did even more than that!

In the video Colbert said he, Tomlin and the coaches had a long sit-down dinner with the entire Edmunds family, including both brothers. :shock:   Got to know the entire group in a real-world way. What an absolute sneaky way to have a big-time visit without having to declare it to anyone as a visit. That level of subterfuge is so very unlike our front office. :thumbup:

 
If you were a team interested in Bryant how much are you really going to give up, maybe a 5th round pick?   For that the Steelers are better off keeping him.
I have to say I am shocked they got a third for Bryant.  Good job Colbert but not liking the Edmunds pick at all.   I'm not saying he isn't a good player but they could have gotten him in the 2nd, possibly even the 3rd.   Maybe they thought they were taking his brother...

 
Why tradr on Day 1 though, when you have no clue who is going to be there at 75?  Maybe there was a better deal to be had somewhere. Maybe keeping that weapon for one more year to make a run is more valuable. 
I agree that they may have used/needed him. 

But at the same time most people/places think he was worth a 5th. Maybe the early 3rd was enough to bite right now, as enough people agreed to jump on it.

I like it myself.

 
but they could have gotten him in the 2nd, possibly even the 3rd.  
Then why in the world would the NFL invite him to the green room, where they invite the likely 1st round picks?

Its from the NFLs own draft evaluations. 

Only 3 players didnt land in the 1st... LSU running back Derrius Guice, Iowa All-American cornerback Josh Jackson and Texas offensive lineman Connor Williams were left in the green room when the first round of the draft ended. I cant imagine any of those are lasting much into the 2nd.

 
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I have to say I am shocked they got a third for Bryant.  Good job Colbert but not liking the Edmunds pick at all.   I'm not saying he isn't a good player but they could have gotten him in the 2nd, possibly even the 3rd.   Maybe they thought they were taking his brother...
As was pointed out, more teams were showing an interest in him earlier than that.  If the Steelers liked him that much, they had to make the move.

and I am shocked they got a 3rd for Martavis.  That's a steal given his history.

 
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Then why in the world would the NFL invite him to the green room, where they invite the likely 1st round picks?

Its from the NFLs own draft evaluations. 
I'm not sure why they invite anyone into the green room, maybe cause his brother was there.   He may turn out to be the best safety in the draft, I just think they probably could have gotten him in the 2nd.    But I've been wrong before and I'll be there again...

 
As was pointed out, more teams were showing an interest in him earlier than that.  If the Steelers liked him that much, they had to make the move.
That's fine, maybe they did.  Right now I'm not a fan but I didn't like the JuJu pick last year so what the hell do I know?

 
I'm not sure why they invite anyone into the green room, maybe cause his brother was there.   He may turn out to be the best safety in the draft, I just think they probably could have gotten him in the 2nd.    But I've been wrong before and I'll be there again...
Because the NFL, itself, has evaluated them as LIKELY 1st round picks.

Though they do make an occasional exception -- if its something outstanding from keeping a player from being that (like military service, debilitating disease, injury or something along those lines).

 
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I stand corrected, and offer a full apology.

Sporting News is saying he "crashed it" with his brother, and it was Terrell who brought along the VT coaches too.

 
I stand corrected, and offer a full apology.

Sporting News is saying he "crashed it" with his brother, and it was Terrell who brought along the VT coaches too.
No worries, you got me wondering too.   In any case I think it may turn out to be a good pick but it just seems like a reach at 1.   The Steelers sometimes do this:  Laundry Jones in the 4th was one and I thought James Conner last year at 3 was a reach too.   

 
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High SPARQ score and the whole family loves football.  Fits the profile, but I'm guessing he was plan B if a top tier ILB **LVE** didn't fall.

On Bryant - Agree getting a high 3rd in the last year of his contract is a good move.  Odds were he'd be a distraction again and the Steelers would part ways after the season. I wish Bryant well in Oakland.  Hope he gets his mind right & stop wasting his potential.

 
2015 - Dupree is top 3 at his position in SPARQ

2016 - Sean Davis is top 3 at his position in SPARQ, but Burns is low, around 78.

2017 - Watt is #4 as an EDGE player in SPARQ

2018 - Harold Landry is #5 at his position, Lorenzo Carter is #1, Leighton Vander Esch is #2, Malik Jefferson is #5, Mike Gesicki is #1, Josh Jackson is #6, Terrell Edmunds is #2, DJ Moore is #3, Courtland Sutton is #6

I wouldn't be surprised if we took 1 or 2 of those players in the 1st or 2nd round.
Well, we took Edmunds. I was thinking 2nd when I listed him on here, but we'll see. The FO loves him apparently, and that's going to have to be good enough for me for now. Maybe there's a chance we land Malik in the 2nd. 

I think I would rather have gotten Leighton Vander Esch than Edmunds and Dante Pettis or Holton Hill, someone that we could take at 79, and another player we'll end up cutting. I think we probably could have moved up to the Seattle pick ahead of Dallas for our 1, OAK 3, and a 7th. We'll see though. Maybe we use that pick or our 3rd to move up in the 2nd round and grab some value, or we wait and someone amazing falls to us in the 2nd and 3rd. For now though, I wish we'd moved up for a linebacker. Unless they think Edmunds can put on 15-20 lbs and play next to Williams.

 
Well he has hands at least (looked like he got away with pass interference on that 2nd play though).
His hands are massive.  10.5"

Thats DeAndre Hopkins like crazy big. Not sure if any DB had bigger, I doubt it though.

***TJ Watt was largest in 2017, at 11".

 
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Outside of the QBs I haven’t been following the draft players that closely; so when I saw this pick I thought it was the other brother, and ai looked up his bio. I was like, this sounds pretty damn great! What the hell are people griping about? 

 
Outside of the QBs I haven’t been following the draft players that closely; so when I saw this pick I thought it was the other brother, and ai looked up his bio. I was like, this sounds pretty damn great! What the hell are people griping about? 
He was projected to be drafted in the 3rd round, so everyone likes the player just not where we took him. But, NFL teams allegedly had him graded end of the 1st early 2nd, it's a case of the draft analysts having a different opinion than NFL teams.

We'll probably all come around in short order, but at face value it looks like a reach, and we needed an ILB more and possibly should have moved up.

 
He was projected to be drafted in the 3rd round, so everyone likes the player just not where we took him. But, NFL teams allegedly had him graded end of the 1st early 2nd, it's a case of the draft analysts having a different opinion than NFL teams.

We'll probably all come around in short order, but at face value it looks like a reach, and we needed an ILB more and possibly should have moved up.
Yep.  This is sums it up perfectly.  

 
He was projected to be drafted in the 3rd round, so everyone likes the player just not where we took him. But, NFL teams allegedly had him graded end of the 1st early 2nd, it's a case of the draft analysts having a different opinion than NFL teams.

We'll probably all come around in short order, but at face value it looks like a reach, and we needed an ILB more and possibly should have moved up.
All it takes is the belief that one other team is planning to snag the guy before you’re up again. 

 
All it takes is the belief that one other team is planning to snag the guy before you’re up again. 
True, but if you think that team is going to take him in the middle of the 2nd round, why not move back just a little and get more picks? I get that they love the 5th round option, but what if they could have moved back to Chicago or Oakland's pick in the 2nd and got another 2019 2nd? And still gotten Edmunds.

 
2015 - Dupree is top 3 at his position in SPARQ

2016 - Sean Davis is top 3 at his position in SPARQ, but Burns is low, around 78.

2017 - Watt is #4 as an EDGE player in SPARQ

2018 - Harold Landry is #5 at his position, Lorenzo Carter is #1, Leighton Vander Esch is #2, Malik Jefferson is #5, Mike Gesicki is #1, Josh Jackson is #6, Terrell Edmunds is #2, DJ Moore is #3, Courtland Sutton is #6

I wouldn't be surprised if we took 1 or 2 of those players in the 1st or 2nd round.
:ph34r:

 
Likely day 2 pick from a profile meets need standpoint.
I think at this point they absolutely must take a WR and LB tonight, and likely another defensive player.   RB is certainly an option but they have Bell this year and they aren't likely to get his replacement unless they draft Guice or Ronald Jones which would likely require packaging one of their 3's and possibly more.

I think we might have to be satisfied with Bell, Ridley, Conner, Toussaint and whatever RB they pick up later in the draft for depth.

 
Actually makes me feel better that they did try to get the player that would have really helped the team this year.  It didn't work out, I can live with it (still think Edmunds was a reach though)
I feel a little bit better after thinking about it more, but also, I feel better about it than if we had taken Penny or Michel. So, there's that at least. 

 
Also, we didn't give up 2 first round picks for a developmental pass rusher! Saints, wow.

 
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When you look at the track record for Tomlin/Colbert in the 1st round, I generally defer to their judgement rather than other prognosticators.

Obviously LB (both ILB and OLB) are significant needs, however there is a dearth of playmakers on defense right now and everything I've been hearing, seeing, reading says this guy is a playmaker and can play a bunch of different positions (including ILB in sub-packages, where Steelers play often).

Give me a guy that has a high character, excellent measurables, innate football IQ with a desire to learn more and I'll take him over a guy who may be more talented but lacks the desire, motivation and questionable character.

 
Why tradr on Day 1 though, when you have no clue who is going to be there at 75?  Maybe there was a better deal to be had somewhere. Maybe keeping that weapon for one more year to make a run is more valuable. 
Maybe, but they clearly didn't think another year of Martavis was worth passing on a mid 3rd, so they made the deal.  A year ago, I would have been violently against this, but now, I'm merely lukewarm.  Bryant was, to put it bluntly, not good last year.  I had high hopes after reading about how he'd bulked up without losing a scintilla of his speed and was hopeful he was sitting on a huge campaign.  Instead, he dropped balls, acted like a tool, and got passed on the depth chart by a rookie I didn't even want them to draft (mea culpa.)  I wouldn't have traded Bryant for anything less than a 3rd, anything more and I'd have been thrilled, anything less, I'd have been skeptical.  This feels about right IMO.

 
High SPARQ score and the whole family loves football.  Fits the profile, but I'm guessing he was plan B if a top tier ILB **LVE** didn't fall.

On Bryant - Agree getting a high 3rd in the last year of his contract is a good move.  Odds were he'd be a distraction again and the Steelers would part ways after the season. I wish Bryant well in Oakland.  Hope he gets his mind right & stop wasting his potential.
Just for the sake of clarity, the pick they got for Martavis is #79, the lesser of Oakland's two picks.  It's a mid-third, not an early third.

 
I think at this point they absolutely must take a WR and LB tonight, and likely another defensive player.   


I feel like Vance McDonald is a wild card here.   If they are all in on him and sold on him being healthy, I don't think we need to spend a Rd2/3 pick on a WR.   Brown/JuJu/Leveon in a 2TE set with Jesse James and VMcDonald is still pretty GD scary to try plan a defense against.  

also hoping that if/when Eli Rogers is medically cleared they pick him back up for depth -- he may/may not be ready for the beginning of the season but I'd be surprised if he's not ready mid year.   

 
I think this is a good take on potential Day 2 picks for the Steelers.

From Steelersdepot.com 

"It was a crazy first round of the NFL Draft. And Day Two could be just as wild after the Pittsburgh Steelers shockingly dealt Martavis Bryant to the Oakland Raiders. That in mind, here are some Day Two options the team could be targeting. Of course, these are not all the options either.

Wide Receiver

Anthony Miller/Memphis

Why It Could Happen: Miller is lauded for his route running with big play ability, racking up 29 touchdowns and averaging over 15 yards per catch the last two years. There’s an obvious Memphis connection with so many of those guys on the Steelers staff (Randy Fichtner, Keith Butler) and Fichtner attended the Tigers’ Pro Day.

Dante Pettis/Washington

Why It Could Happen: Pettis is another dynamic receiver. But not only on offense but on special teams. He was one of college football’s best return men. He returned punts all four seasons, averaging an absurd 14.2 yards per return and NINE punt return touchdowns, including four in 2017. Hopefully he can do kicks too (never did it in school) and become that multi-threat player.

DaeSean Hamilton/Penn State

Why It Could Happen: One of the best, some would argue the best, route runner in the draft. Hands are a little suspect but new WR coach Darryl Drake doesn’t seem to care about his receivers being quite as technical as Richard Mann may have demanded. High character, another family-first guy (check out this amazing feature story on helping take care of his brother who has autism), and Kevin Colbert attended Penn State’s Pro Day to probably get another good look at him. Possible plug ‘n play in the slot with JuJu Smith-Schuster likely moving outside to fill Bryant’s void.

James Washington/Oklahoma State

Why It Could Happen: Didn’t test like Martavis Bryant but he is a similar deep threat who averaged over 20 yards per catch. Tomlin/Colbert at his Pro Day and reportedly had dinner with him. Learned plenty about him not only in his evaluation but all their interest in QB Mason Rudolph.

J’Mon Moore/Missouri

Why It Could Happen: A little more “out of the box” but we all saw what happened in Round One. Again, not the fastest 40 but a vertical threat who tested like one of the best athletes at his position (4.6 40 but a 38 inch vert, 10’0″ broad, 6.56 three cone at 207 pounds). Finds the ball downfield and a high effort blocker who could play all three positions.

D.J. Chark/LSU

Why It Could Happen: Height, weight, speed guy that the Steelers showed interest in at the Senior Bowl. He has a very solid character and the Steelers did attend the LSU pro day. While raw, he can stretch the field.

Defensive Line

B.J. Hill/NT NC State

Why It Could Happen: Brought in for a visit, Art Rooney II brought up the team’s inconsistent run defense. I wouldn’t love the pick but won’t discount it either. 23.5 TFL, 8 sacks in his career.

Inside Linebacker

Fred Warner/BYU

Why It Could Happen: Younger than most BYU players, only 21 years old, and a good athlete who had a nice week at the Senior Bowl (where the team reportedly interviewed him). Potential Mack linebacker. Solid production throughout his career."

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2018/04/day-two-draft-options-for-the-pittsburgh-steelers/Malik Jefferson/Texas

Why It Could Happen: Brought in for a visit. Another stellar athlete who is good enough versus the run. High quality of competition. 13 career sacks too, a number that I am sure is attractive for the Steelers who like all their linebackers to be able to get after the QB.

Genard Avery/Memphis

Why It Could Happen: Again, the Memphis connection. Inside/outside versatility and – no surprise here – a quality athlete. Whopping 44.5 TFL, 21.5 sacks, the latter of which he had 8.5 as a senior.

Uchenna Nwosu/USC

Why It Could Happen: The Lynn Swann/Trojan connection that helped the team take Smith-Schuster, even without very little overt interest (just a Combine interview). Nwosu, like Avery, could play inside and then kick to the edge when need be. Productive career who may not have incredible upside but a little more technical, a little more NFL-ready than some of the others.

Shaquem Griffin/UCF

Why It Could Happen: This would have shades of drafting James Conner last year. Griffin, like Conner, is more than just a good story. Like Terrell Edmunds, I can see Tomlin/Colbert talk about all the ways you can get him on the field. And you know he’s driven to succeed.

Cornerback

M.J. Stewart & Duke Dawson/North Carolina & Florida

Why It Could Happen: Lumping these two together because they are similar guys with similar reasons. Both brought in for a visit. Both can play in the nickel. Physical, hard hitters and good blitzers. Wouldn’t love either pick, prefer Stewart over Dawson, but it’s on the table.

 
Not sure if he'll be there in the 2nd but hoping for LB Darius Leonard.
I'm hoping for Malik Jefferson, tackle machine. Needs some work, but high SPARQ guy. I could see us using a 5th round pick to move up if we feel the need, but a lot of people have Jefferson ranked around player 60. Maybe a run on offensive line, WR, or RB could help push him down.

Also, Terrell Edmunds is only 21, we've been aiming for younger players ever since our defense was Super Old a few seasons ago. 

Picks I'd like tonight:

  • Malik Jefferson
  • Christian Kirk
  • Courtland Sutton (fairly unlikely)
  • James Washington
  • Mason Rudolph
  • Lorenzo Carter
  • Dallas Goedert
  • Mike Gesicki
  • Nick Chubb
  • Josey Jewell (He was slow, but usually found himself in the right place at the right time to make the tackle, maybe round 5-6 is better, but whatever. Reminds me of Chris Borland.)
  • Dante Pettis
  • Shaquem Griffin
  • Micah Kiser
  • Anthony Miller
  • Isaiah Oliver
  • Josh Jackson
  • Harold Landry
  • Quenton Meeks
  • Ronnie Harrison (I know, doesn't make sense after S in round 1, but I like him. Maybe Edmunds works as an undersized LB for us)
 
I'm hoping for Malik Jefferson, tackle machine. Needs some work, but high SPARQ guy. I could see us using a 5th round pick to move up if we feel the need, but a lot of people have Jefferson ranked around player 60. Maybe a run on offensive line, WR, or RB could help push him down.

Also, Terrell Edmunds is only 21, we've been aiming for younger players ever since our defense was Super Old a few seasons ago. 
I originally had the Steelers taking Jefferson but I was reading stuff like this and was scared off...

"Sources have said that teams are hearing that Jefferson doesn't have a deep love for football. That was illustrated in him not producing up to his great skill set early on in his collegiate career and in offseason training according to league contacts. Jefferson supposedly was unhappy with his role in the former staff's scheme, but that makes team sources question if Jefferson's work ethic will change when he has coaches going and coming as a pro."

and this:

"He was better this year because Todd Orlando (defensive coordinator) had him attack and run instead of trying to process and react. I see him as a better tester (Combine) than player." 

Who knows if these remarks are true or not, I just visions of Jason Worilds...

 
I originally had the Steelers taking Jefferson but I was reading stuff like this and was scared off...

"Sources have said that teams are hearing that Jefferson doesn't have a deep love for football. That was illustrated in him not producing up to his great skill set early on in his collegiate career and in offseason training according to league contacts. Jefferson supposedly was unhappy with his role in the former staff's scheme, but that makes team sources question if Jefferson's work ethic will change when he has coaches going and coming as a pro."

and this:

"He was better this year because Todd Orlando (defensive coordinator) had him attack and run instead of trying to process and react. I see him as a better tester (Combine) than player." 

Who knows if these remarks are true or not, I just visions of Jason Worilds...
Who was good! For like a game or 2. Fair point. So, he checks the athletic talent, but not necessarily the character build. Perhaps they can motivate him. Also, maybe this causes him to fall into the 3rd. Saw him mocked this morning at the end of the 3rd in 3 mocks. I'd be very happy with him at 92. 

 

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