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The Opener: Redskins @ Giants (1 Viewer)

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Share your thoughts. Should be a good game. I'll be a little distracted with the kid's homework and stuff. But I'm kinda giddy about kicking this off, and I know I need to avoid the Shark Pool or they'll ruin it for me.

couple aging MLBs, couple young and interesting WLBs, a stud rookie safety, a bunch of unknowns on both DLs, Cofield is my sleeper DT, Jason Taylor, Tuck, Kiwi.

:lol: :thumbup: :lmao:

 
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No question.

First extended look at Wilkinson and probably Phillips. Refresher course on Kiwanuka at DE. May get an early read on whether Pierce is likely to rebound. Get a look at how guys like Taylor, Bradley, Gaither, McIntosh and the Washington safeties will be used.

:thumbup: indeed.

 
Pierce hasn't had many chances but has been on the field all game. He looks slow and has missed a couple tackles. 0 tackles halfway through 3rd quarter.

 
Pierce hasn't had many chances but has been on the field all game. He looks slow and has missed a couple tackles. 0 tackles halfway through 3rd quarter.
Not liking this. I'm starting him in both of my IDP leagues. :lmao:
 
I just got back from the links and see NO tackles from Kenny Phillips? I was happy to get him late in a couple drafts and thought he would be in on some action tonight. If anyone has any info on his play tonight I'd appreciate some feedback. Thanks!

 
I just got back from the links and see NO tackles from Kenny Phillips? I was happy to get him late in a couple drafts and thought he would be in on some action tonight. If anyone has any info on his play tonight I'd appreciate some feedback. Thanks!
He has 1 solo according to NFL.com I read earlier he was only playing in the nickel.
 
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Kiwanuka looked like he had a fairly serious leg problem on the last play of the game... Samuels basically tackled him by the ankle... didn't look good. Some sort of ankle/knee issue....

 
I dont think you can judge the giants IDP in this game they got front row seats watching fletcher Tackle the giants offense who was on the field most of the first 3 quarters. the game was never close regardless of the score!!!!!

 
Although the box score only shows modest stats, I felt Carter had a very solid game. He was up against double-teams pretty much the whole game (the NYG didn't seem too concerned about a gimpy Taylor) and still had 3 near-sacks on top of the .5 sack he did get. One was a really nice spin move and Eli got the ball away about a millisecond before Carter slammed into him. The NYG O-Line looks really solid and the Wash offense didn't help Carter's chances really at all since the NYG were able to basically pound the ball down the gut for 9/10 of the game (or pass at will to Burress). The Wash offense was stunningly pathetic really.

 
Mr Consistency with 12 solos & 5 assists.
I dont think you can judge the giants IDP in this game they got front row seats watching fletcher Tackle the giants offense who was on the field most of the first 3 quarters. the game was never close regardless of the score!!!!!
The Redskins offense looked lost and that's good news for the Redskins LB's and DB's. London Fletcher is my pick to lead the league in tackles this season due primary to the learning curve that Zorn's offense is going to go through. LaRon Landry could end up having a nice season as well as he develops.
 
Kiwanuka looked like he had a fairly serious leg problem on the last play of the game... Samuels basically tackled him by the ankle... didn't look good. Some sort of ankle/knee issue....
Yeah, that looked ugly. Anyone have an update?
 
From ESPN.com

The only concern for the Giants was that defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka went down with an ankle injury on the final play, but he said after the game that he was OK. He was switched from linebacker to end when Umenyiora was lost for the season with a knee injury in the preseason.

 
From ESPN.com

The only concern for the Giants was that defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka went down with an ankle injury on the final play, but he said after the game that he was OK. He was switched from linebacker to end when Umenyiora was lost for the season with a knee injury in the preseason.
repost from game threadhttp://www.amny.com/sports/football/giants...0,4027899.story

He gave the remaining crowd a scare on the game's final play, tweaking his left ankle in a pileup but said X-rays taken immediately afterward were negative.

"You never want to go down like that, especially at the end of the game, but thankfully the X-rays were negative so we'll just line it up and play again next week," Kiwanuka said.

 
I'm not going to search it, but was this London's career high in tackles with 12-5?

Thats 14.5 tackles...I know hes solid, but I bet that the most hes ever produced in a single game

Any contradictory/explanatory statements on that thought?

...of course im playing that guy with him AND Burress - but I seriously doubt Fletch has had more than 14.5 tackles in a game

 
I'm not going to search it, but was this London's career high in tackles with 12-5?Thats 14.5 tackles...I know hes solid, but I bet that the most hes ever produced in a single gameAny contradictory/explanatory statements on that thought?...of course im playing that guy with him AND Burress - but I seriously doubt Fletch has had more than 14.5 tackles in a game
15/6 in Week 5 of the 2005 season. Describing Fletcher as "solid" is a serious understatement.
 
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Pierce has me bothered. He was invisible on that field as everyone else around him was making plays. I think his claims about his recovery from injury were greatly exaggerated.

 
JM4Steelers said:
D-Style said:
I just got back from the links and see NO tackles from Kenny Phillips? I was happy to get him late in a couple drafts and thought he would be in on some action tonight. If anyone has any info on his play tonight I'd appreciate some feedback. Thanks!
He has 1 solo according to NFL.com I read earlier he was only playing in the nickel.
I didnt see him much last night...I thought he would play much more than he did.Any thoughts on if he will see the starting lineup sometime this season?
 
Mathias Kiwanuka-DL- Giants Sep. 5 - 8:16 am et

Mathias Kiwanuka said he was "fine" and X-rays were reportedly negative on his lower left leg after Thursday night's game.

On the game's final play Kiwanuka went to the ground and grabbed the back of the same leg injured last season. The Giants could ill-afford to lose another defensive lineman, so the negative X-ray is great news.

Source: New York Daily News

 
I hadn't heard anything about the new movie starring Antonio Pierce that was released yesterday- The Invisible Man.

First I lose Umenyiora and now Pierce plays like crap. My defense may be in for a long year. :hot:

 
I blame the ineffective Redskins running game for Pierce%s low output. He%ll pick it back up.

Redskins safeties could both put up some nice sack numbers this year. Doughty just missed Eli and Landry got to him even after being blocked by the RB.

 
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I blame the ineffective Redskins running game for Pierce%s low output. He%ll pick it back up.
I don't get that at all. I mean the Skins still ran the ball 24 times and Pierce was only in on three stops - Moss, Portis and Randel El? Portis had 23 carries for a possible 46 stops (tackle or assist) and Pierce was only in on 1 of those. While 12 other stops were made by Linebackers, 5 by Safeties and 3 by Cornerbacks. Kehl, Clark and Wilkerson had multiple stops on Portis alone.To me Pierce looked lost last night.
 
Pierce had 4 games last year in which he finished with 2 solo tackles.

A comparable player, Lofa Tatupu, had 4 games in which he finished with 2 or fewer solo tackles.

Gerald Hayes had 4 games with 2 or fewer solo tackles.

it happens.

 
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I can't believe the overreactions to Pierce last night. He didn't have any chances to make tackles. Cutting him based on last night's game would be a huge mistake.

 
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I can't believe the overreactions to Pierce last night. He didn't have any chances to make tackles. Cutting him based on last night's game would be a huge mistake.
I'm not saying anyone should cut Pierce. Everyone has a bad game and Pierce is no exception. To claim that he didn't have any chances only tells me that you didn't watch the same game I was watching last night. Piece looked tentative and lost.
 
I can't believe the overreactions to Pierce last night. He didn't have any chances to make tackles. Cutting him based on last night's game would be a huge mistake.
If lack of chances is the reason explain the performance of the rest of the team. 10 Giants finished with more solos than he did. He sucked last year and this year looks like it's not going to be very different.
 
I can't believe the overreactions to Pierce last night. He didn't have any chances to make tackles. Cutting him based on last night's game would be a huge mistake.
If lack of chances is the reason explain the performance of the rest of the team. 10 Giants finished with more solos than he did. He sucked last year and this year looks like it's not going to be very different.
:unsure: Well said.
 
I haven%t watched the game critically yet, so I don%t have a very considered opinion on Pierce%s play.

I think this question is still in doubt -- both ways. The number of offensive snaps faced and overall tackle opportunity were well below average yesterday. However, they weren%t so low as to easily explain away a single solo tackle, especially when the rush attempts faced were reasonable.

It%s interesting to note that defensive linemen accounted for 14 of the team%s 39 solo tackles (on 40 total tackle opportunities). It%s also interesting to note that 13 of those solos were made against the running game and included four TFL and two additional tackles for no gain. Should that level of production continue on the front four, it%s going to limit Pierce%s production, no matter how well he plays. However, it%s highly unlikely that a defensive line can sustain a 50% no gain or better tackle rate against the run.

However, just watching the game peripherally, I did note that Pierce did not appear to be pursuing as well. Kiwanuka and Tuck were both tracking plays down from behind well and the OLBs looked reasonably good.

I%ll take a closer look later this weekend, but I%d preach a concerned patience with Pierce right now. If Robbins is hurt for any length of time and Pierce doesn%t produce against SJax (for whatever reason), much of his first half schedule is not favorable at first glance (CIN, BYE, SEA) through W5.

Also, while it%s hard to make a perfect argument that the ankle injury was a major hindrance on Pierce last season, but it%s also hard to overlook that he was on a nearly 100 solo tackle pace midway through the season.

ETA: This "change the apostrophes to percent signs" is pretty annoying.

 
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Jene Bramel said:
ETA: This "change the apostrophes to percent signs" is pretty annoying.
I sent Keith an email about it. Guessing it might have something to do with the board upgrade this morning.
 
From what I saw, there's a decent shot Kehl pases up Wilkerson mid-season for that job - which is now a split. He looked pretty good out there. Might be worth a flier.

 
ETA: This "change the apostrophes to percent signs" is pretty annoying.
I sent Keith an email about it. Guessing it might have something to do with the board upgrade this morning.
Bramel does a lot of apostrophes.eta: In two redrafts Pierce went LB22 to Bloom and LB28 to Rudnicki. The expectations aren%t that high anymore, so the strong negative response seems more like exasperation with reality from dynasty owners, more than surprise by the production. I thought he played poorly myself. There were opportunities and he was just late to the ball.
 
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Although the box score only shows modest stats, I felt Carter had a very solid game. He was up against double-teams pretty much the whole game (the NYG didn't seem too concerned about a gimpy Taylor) and still had 3 near-sacks on top of the .5 sack he did get. One was a really nice spin move and Eli got the ball away about a millisecond before Carter slammed into him. The NYG O-Line looks really solid and the Wash offense didn't help Carter's chances really at all since the NYG were able to basically pound the ball down the gut for 9/10 of the game (or pass at will to Burress). The Wash offense was stunningly pathetic really.
Agreed. He also made a great TD-saving tackle of Jacobs on one run from behind 12 yards downfield.
 
Pierce had 4 games last year in which he finished with 2 solo tackles.A comparable player, Lofa Tatupu, had 4 games in which he finished with 2 or fewer solo tackles.Gerald Hayes had 4 games with 2 or fewer solo tackles.it happens.
Not a good comparison at all.The difference is that Hayes and Lofa can get you points with big plays, Pierce's only value is in high tackle totals.Pierce is what he is, a MLB who has limited range and skills and when his defensive line doesn't dominate and the plays flow towards the middle of the field he can score effectively. Most of Portis' yardage came bouncing on the edge of the off tackles. He isn't fast enough to beat or meet the running back at the edges. He can put up LB1 numbers against teams such as the Cowboys who have a good line who can neutralize the DL of the Giants and will pound the ball up the middle.Otherwise he is what he was last year.
 
ETA: This "change the apostrophes to percent signs" is pretty annoying.
I sent Keith an email about it. Guessing it might have something to do with the board upgrade this morning.
Bramel does a lot of apostrophes.eta: In two redrafts Pierce went LB22 to Bloom and LB28 to Rudnicki. The expectations aren%t that high anymore, so the strong negative response seems more like exasperation with reality from dynasty owners, more than surprise by the production. I thought he played poorly myself. There were opportunities and he was just late to the ball.
I think that figures injury risk into his market value, but most would project him to finish higher than that if he's healthy. I have him in both IDP leagues and started him in both, and it's definitely disconcerting that in a game in which Portis ran the ball 23 times, Pierce was nearly invisible except for a head butt by Kendall. Writing him off after one bad game would be a mistake, but it's a red flag.
 
Also, Tuck was still moving all over the place. On the last series, there were a few times where Kiwi lined up at RDE and Tuck lined up next to him at tackle. (Wynn came in at LDE). Kiwi got a good push most of the game, but Tuck was a monster... he had a number of hurries and other pressure that didn't show up in the box score.

 
Pierce had 4 games last year in which he finished with 2 solo tackles.A comparable player, Lofa Tatupu, had 4 games in which he finished with 2 or fewer solo tackles.Gerald Hayes had 4 games with 2 or fewer solo tackles.it happens.
Not a good comparison at all.The difference is that Hayes and Lofa can get you points with big plays, Pierce's only value is in high tackle totals.Pierce is what he is, a MLB who has limited range and skills and when his defensive line doesn't dominate and the plays flow towards the middle of the field he can score effectively. Most of Portis' yardage came bouncing on the edge of the off tackles. He isn't fast enough to beat or meet the running back at the edges. He can put up LB1 numbers against teams such as the Cowboys who have a good line who can neutralize the DL of the Giants and will pound the ball up the middle.Otherwise he is what he was last year.
I agree that Pierce gets his value almost exclusively from tackles, but I still think last night was an aberration and that he'll be fine. I don't think that Giants defensive line is nearly as dominant as they appeared to be.The Giants offense may wind up hurting him though as they look like they should be able to control the clock for a lot of long, clock killing drives this year.
 

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