The Other Guys... (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

I was wondering just how good "the other guys" are in this draft. Obviously RG3, Luck, Blackmon, and Richardson are the greatest players in the NFL already. No question there. The hype is off the charts for those guys.

Where does Tannehill stack up to previous high picks like Gabbert, Locker, and *gulp* Ponder?

Where do Doug Martin and Lamar Miller stack up when compared to Mark Ingram and Mikel Leshoure as prospect?

How do Michael Floyd and Alshon Jeffries compare to Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant and Jonathan Baldwin?

Not those player specifically but, as a whole, how does this class look outside of the lead pipe lock future Hall of Famers at the top?

 

[Punch]

I was wondering just how good "the other guys" are in this draft. Obviously RG3, Luck, Blackmon, and Richardson are the greatest players in the NFL already. No question there. The hype is off the charts for those guys. Where does Tannehill stack up to previous high picks like Gabbert, Locker, and *gulp* Ponder? Where do Doug Martin and Lamar Miller stack up when compared to Mark Ingram and Mikel Leshoure as prospect?How do Michael Floyd and Alshon Jeffries compare to Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant and Jonathan Baldwin? Not those player specifically but, as a whole, how does this class look outside of the lead pipe lock future Hall of Famers at the top?

 

[werdnoynek]

great topic here. i'm trying to piece together my rankings and such for rookies still but i'll give my .

sorry for the ####ty formatting... just threw my thoughts together in jarbled, somewhat coherent paragraph on each position

QB

i think tannehill stacks up nicely in the ponder, gabbert, locker group. he's probably not ready to start immediately but there could be a few teams that could pull the trigger on him - miami and cleveland come to mind. he would be an upgrade over mccoy and garrard/moore and could find himself in the situation to start next season if he ends up on either team. i'm also a big fan of russell wilson and think he could develop into a starter in the NFL after learning behind someone for a few years ala rodgers. he plays much bigger than his size and his mobility is on par with cam.

RB

i'm still trying to figure out the RB's and have quite a bit of research yet to do. i'm a doug martin fan - he seems to be a complete package guy with decent speed/shiftiness to be a 3 down back. where he ends up will be interesting as i can see some ray rice or mjd potential in him. lamar miller could surprise but he runs a bit upright and may be an injury risk - i think he could be mcfadden-esque though if he reaches potential. david wilson is very intriguing... he's got the speed and shiftiness to be a change of pace or more but i'm unsure if he could be another 3 down back, he just doesn't look all that thick. i'm a bit higher on chris polk than others. he had a successful college career behind a shabby o-line and he's a complete 3 down back who's got decent speed and underrated hands. depending on where he goes i think he could also develop into a 3 down back and have a successful nfl career. james, pead and rainey are speedsters who will make a great change of pace guys. i would love to see james go to green bay but that's a long shot. i'm a fan of the change of pace back in this current NFL era over the pounders. i'd just rather have a home run hitter with limited touches over a ground and pounds with limited touches. as for the rest, robert turbin seems like a workout warrior, but shows impressive speed for his size at the combine... i think he could surprise but his situation will dictate that.

(a side note on rb's... given the multi back committees that are becoming the norm for rb's i think their situations are dictating their potential to be successful even more these days. talent doesn't always rise to the top when it comes to rb's... just look at jonathan stewart.)

WR

the only #1 WR's i see in this year's class are jeffery, blackmon, and floyd. as some have noticed in the jeffery thread, i'm as big a fan as they come. i would honestly take him over all the WR's in this class. i know that's unfathomable but i can't get over what he did in 2010. he's got ridiculously good hands and body control. he moves very effortlessly and it makes him look like he's lazy imo... he certainly was a bit overweight last season but you can still see him able to separate from some of the top CB's in college ball in the SEC even when double covered. in 2010 when he was lighter and faster he was one of the best prospects to come out in recent years, and all of a sudden he's fat and slow. i don’t think so. he's shifty in the open field and can make people miss to rack up yac's. he's also a top notch blocker - which is primarily what he did in 2011. i could go on and on... but wont. michael floyd would be my #2 with blackmon at #3. i think blackmon had inflated stats with weeden and big 12 defenses and will be exposed at the next level. he's not that big and doesn't seem to do well against the jam. he's got decent hands and seems strong but i would love to see him against some tougher competition. he seems like he loses his temper easily and could get frustrated easily at the next level. michael floyd is more complete imo - he's bigger, faster and stronger than blackmon. he can beat the jam but also doesn't seem to do so great when double teamed and seemed to be taken out of some games when facing multiple defenders. kendall wright is intriguing to me. he had a hell of a season last year but again he was facing some weak big 12 defenses and corners. i just dont see him as a #1, but if he reaches his potential he can be something special. his size limits him imo, but i see another mike wallace type speedster. he's deadly explosive with the ball in his hands in the open field but i don't know if he's only able to stretch the field or if he can play in the short field as well... stephen hill has some amazing measurables. he has the tools to be something special but even the flashes he had shown in college were really nothing special at all. i don't know if i can say he has the potential given what he's shown during his college career. i just havent see anything all that impressive other than his combine performance which i dont put much weight on at all. he's a project at best imo and i'd take rueben randle, chris givens, or sanu over him at this point.

TE

not all that high on any of them but fleener seems like closest to a sure thing out of all of them with his speed, hands, and smarts. he seems like he's got good technique as a blocker and could start immediately for somebody.

 

[Sabertooth]

Lamar Miller is really gaining traction in my rankings. I think I may have him second. Speed kills, especially at RB.

 

[MAC_32]

Best offensive skill position players since 2008 imho, RB and WR anyway. There's elite talent AND depth, not just one or the other.

Martin and Miller should be starters, maybe not stars but certainly starters. I don't trust Wilson, I'm more comfortable with Polk, Pierce, and James. To a lesser degree Pead, Hillman, and Turbin. All of them will have roles. Polk and Pierce are the two that could emerge into feature backs, the rest are more part 2 in committees/gadget players.

Wright and Floyd should also be starters, Jeffrey has the tools but I don't trust him. There's fools gold in Hill and Randle, but there are lots of non-fantasy assets here too. I don't know where to begin, using walterfootball.com as a reference of their top 15 I really like McNutt, Sanu, Criner, Joe Adams, Chris Givens, and to a lesser degree AJ Jenkins and Marvin Jones. Streeter intrigues me, but if scouts value him like on-line does I'm not interested. Too much risk for day 2. Digging deeper I like Chris Owusu, Greg Childs, and Devon Wylie for upside purposes and for role player purposes Ryan Broyles, Jarius Wright, Marquis Maze, Eric Page, Gerrell Robinson, and my personal favorite Jordan White.

I think the TE class outside of Fleener is junk, but QB has some intrigue. Not a fan of Cousins, Weeden, and Foles but there's upside for Tannehill (although I maintain he is not worth a day 1 pick), Osweiler, and even Russell Wilson. I think Osweiler's head eventually will be his undoing, but he's more raw than the others so there's hope. Keeping an eye on Coleman and Harish too. Could be one of those 3rd QB types that develops in 3 years.

 

[Sabertooth]

Best offensive skill position players since 2008 imho, RB and WR anyway. There's elite talent AND depth, not just one or the other.

Martin and Miller should be starters, maybe not stars but certainly starters. I don't trust Wilson, I'm more comfortable with Polk, Pierce, and James. To a lesser degree Pead, Hillman, and Turbin. All of them will have roles. Polk and Pierce are the two that could emerge into feature backs, the rest are more part 2 in committees/gadget players.

Wright and Floyd should also be starters, Jeffrey has the tools but I don't trust him. There's fools gold in Hill and Randle, but there are lots of non-fantasy assets here too. I don't know where to begin, using walterfootball.com as a reference of their top 15 I really like McNutt, Sanu, Criner, Joe Adams, Chris Givens, and to a lesser degree AJ Jenkins and Marvin Jones. Streeter intrigues me, but if scouts value him like on-line does I'm not interested. Too much risk for day 2. Digging deeper I like Chris Owusu, Greg Childs, and Devon Wylie for upside purposes and for role player purposes Ryan Broyles, Jarius Wright, Marquis Maze, Eric Page, Gerrell Robinson, and my personal favorite Jordan White.

I think the TE class outside of Fleener is junk, but QB has some intrigue. Not a fan of Cousins, Weeden, and Foles but there's upside for Tannehill (although I maintain he is not worth a day 1 pick), Osweiler, and even Russell Wilson. I think Osweiler's head eventually will be his undoing, but he's more raw than the others so there's hope. Keeping an eye on Coleman and Harish too. Could be one of those 3rd QB types that develops in 3 years.

Its funny how often we hear that about prospects and then they became FF stars anyway. Rice and McCoy come to mind off the top of my head.

 

[MAC_32]

Best offensive skill position players since 2008 imho, RB and WR anyway. There's elite talent AND depth, not just one or the other.

Martin and Miller should be starters, maybe not stars but certainly starters. I don't trust Wilson, I'm more comfortable with Polk, Pierce, and James. To a lesser degree Pead, Hillman, and Turbin. All of them will have roles. Polk and Pierce are the two that could emerge into feature backs, the rest are more part 2 in committees/gadget players.

Wright and Floyd should also be starters, Jeffrey has the tools but I don't trust him. There's fools gold in Hill and Randle, but there are lots of non-fantasy assets here too. I don't know where to begin, using walterfootball.com as a reference of their top 15 I really like McNutt, Sanu, Criner, Joe Adams, Chris Givens, and to a lesser degree AJ Jenkins and Marvin Jones. Streeter intrigues me, but if scouts value him like on-line does I'm not interested. Too much risk for day 2. Digging deeper I like Chris Owusu, Greg Childs, and Devon Wylie for upside purposes and for role player purposes Ryan Broyles, Jarius Wright, Marquis Maze, Eric Page, Gerrell Robinson, and my personal favorite Jordan White.

I think the TE class outside of Fleener is junk, but QB has some intrigue. Not a fan of Cousins, Weeden, and Foles but there's upside for Tannehill (although I maintain he is not worth a day 1 pick), Osweiler, and even Russell Wilson. I think Osweiler's head eventually will be his undoing, but he's more raw than the others so there's hope. Keeping an eye on Coleman and Harish too. Could be one of those 3rd QB types that develops in 3 years.

Its funny how often we hear that about prospects and then they became FF stars anyway. Rice and McCoy come to mind off the top of my head.

...and Martin really reminds me of Rice too. Miller seems a little too much like Bush, but Bush always did have that upside if he could just stay healthy

 

[Sabertooth]

Best offensive skill position players since 2008 imho, RB and WR anyway. There's elite talent AND depth, not just one or the other.

Martin and Miller should be starters, maybe not stars but certainly starters. I don't trust Wilson, I'm more comfortable with Polk, Pierce, and James. To a lesser degree Pead, Hillman, and Turbin. All of them will have roles. Polk and Pierce are the two that could emerge into feature backs, the rest are more part 2 in committees/gadget players.

Wright and Floyd should also be starters, Jeffrey has the tools but I don't trust him. There's fools gold in Hill and Randle, but there are lots of non-fantasy assets here too. I don't know where to begin, using walterfootball.com as a reference of their top 15 I really like McNutt, Sanu, Criner, Joe Adams, Chris Givens, and to a lesser degree AJ Jenkins and Marvin Jones. Streeter intrigues me, but if scouts value him like on-line does I'm not interested. Too much risk for day 2. Digging deeper I like Chris Owusu, Greg Childs, and Devon Wylie for upside purposes and for role player purposes Ryan Broyles, Jarius Wright, Marquis Maze, Eric Page, Gerrell Robinson, and my personal favorite Jordan White.

I think the TE class outside of Fleener is junk, but QB has some intrigue. Not a fan of Cousins, Weeden, and Foles but there's upside for Tannehill (although I maintain he is not worth a day 1 pick), Osweiler, and even Russell Wilson. I think Osweiler's head eventually will be his undoing, but he's more raw than the others so there's hope. Keeping an eye on Coleman and Harish too. Could be one of those 3rd QB types that develops in 3 years.

Its funny how often we hear that about prospects and then they became FF stars anyway. Rice and McCoy come to mind off the top of my head.

...and Martin really reminds me of Rice too. Miller seems a little too much like Bush, but Bush always did have that upside if he could just stay healthy

Bush, but then if he resembles Bush, he resembles McCoy, no?

 

[MAC_32]

Best offensive skill position players since 2008 imho, RB and WR anyway. There's elite talent AND depth, not just one or the other.

Martin and Miller should be starters, maybe not stars but certainly starters. I don't trust Wilson, I'm more comfortable with Polk, Pierce, and James. To a lesser degree Pead, Hillman, and Turbin. All of them will have roles. Polk and Pierce are the two that could emerge into feature backs, the rest are more part 2 in committees/gadget players.

Wright and Floyd should also be starters, Jeffrey has the tools but I don't trust him. There's fools gold in Hill and Randle, but there are lots of non-fantasy assets here too. I don't know where to begin, using walterfootball.com as a reference of their top 15 I really like McNutt, Sanu, Criner, Joe Adams, Chris Givens, and to a lesser degree AJ Jenkins and Marvin Jones. Streeter intrigues me, but if scouts value him like on-line does I'm not interested. Too much risk for day 2. Digging deeper I like Chris Owusu, Greg Childs, and Devon Wylie for upside purposes and for role player purposes Ryan Broyles, Jarius Wright, Marquis Maze, Eric Page, Gerrell Robinson, and my personal favorite Jordan White.

I think the TE class outside of Fleener is junk, but QB has some intrigue. Not a fan of Cousins, Weeden, and Foles but there's upside for Tannehill (although I maintain he is not worth a day 1 pick), Osweiler, and even Russell Wilson. I think Osweiler's head eventually will be his undoing, but he's more raw than the others so there's hope. Keeping an eye on Coleman and Harish too. Could be one of those 3rd QB types that develops in 3 years.

Its funny how often we hear that about prospects and then they became FF stars anyway. Rice and McCoy come to mind off the top of my head.

...and Martin really reminds me of Rice too. Miller seems a little too much like Bush, but Bush always did have that upside if he could just stay healthy

Bush, but then if he resembles Bush, he resembles McCoy, no?

A bit. Need to see more though. I always liked McCoy even after he floundered in the offseason (I use that criticism very loosely) because I saw a lot of him in college. I didn't see enough from Miller. He has McCoy upside, to be sure, but he's got some developing to do first. i.e. stop dancing

 

[Sabertooth]

Miller looks to me like he's got a shot to be a guy in that Ray Rice mode. He's listed at 215 and ran sub-4.4 at the combine. You put him in an offense like Tampa or NYJ and he has the potential to bring that team to the next level. I like his size as a full timer and you've got that speed.

I'm sitting at 1.5 and 1.7 and hoping to bring him in.

 

[mcintyre1]

Dwayne Allen at TE ran a terrible 40, but he's got the ball skills to be a force in the NFL. I like him a lot.

 

[Shutout]

Lamar Miller is really gaining traction in my rankings. I think I may have him second. Speed kills, especially at RB.

Not to try to argue against Miller, but I think LONG TERM, I shy away more and more form the speed guys. Just too much inconsistency. CJ is great, then he's feast or famine, then he's the subject of 20 threads where people gripe how he killed their fantasy teams. DMAC, awesome but can't stay out of the fixit shop. Just seems like they burn brighter but fizzle quicker and when they go, they go.My opinion, I think there s a BIG reason to get on board with Martin. My explanation is so long no one would care to read it but I really think he is going to be great, barring some crazy drafting where he gets buried on the depth chart.

 

[Sabertooth]

Lamar Miller is really gaining traction in my rankings. I think I may have him second. Speed kills, especially at RB.

Not to try to argue against Miller, but I think LONG TERM, I shy away more and more form the speed guys. Just too much inconsistency. CJ is great, then he's feast or famine, then he's the subject of 20 threads where people gripe how he killed their fantasy teams. DMAC, awesome but can't stay out of the fixit shop. Just seems like they burn brighter but fizzle quicker and when they go, they go.My opinion, I think there s a BIG reason to get on board with Martin. My explanation is so long no one would care to read it but I really think he is going to be great, barring some crazy drafting where he gets buried on the depth chart.

Miller is big though. He's 215. I haven't watched much of Martin so I'd be interested in your explanation. Heck, that's why we are here in March...

 

[Andrew74]

Lamar Miller is really gaining traction in my rankings. I think I may have him second. Speed kills, especially at RB.

Not to try to argue against Miller, but I think LONG TERM, I shy away more and more form the speed guys. Just too much inconsistency. CJ is great, then he's feast or famine, then he's the subject of 20 threads where people gripe how he killed their fantasy teams. DMAC, awesome but can't stay out of the fixit shop. Just seems like they burn brighter but fizzle quicker and when they go, they go.My opinion, I think there s a BIG reason to get on board with Martin. My explanation is so long no one would care to read it but I really think he is going to be great, barring some crazy drafting where he gets buried on the depth chart.

I'd like to hear it. Like the guy above me said, that's why we're here in March. Plus, I need something to do at work.

 

[Faust]

Miller looks to me like he's got a shot to be a guy in that Ray Rice mode. He's listed at 215 and ran sub-4.4 at the combine. You put him in an offense like Tampa or NYJ and he has the potential to bring that team to the next level. I like his size as a full timer and you've got that speed. I'm sitting at 1.5 and 1.7 and hoping to bring him in.

Question: Do you take him at 1.5 or hope that he doesn't go at 1.6 and target him with your 1.7 pick?