The Panthers Will Crush the Bears (1 Viewer)

[bullitt]

the delete button is your friend, no need to keep reposting everytime you respond, it is quite annoying.

Point being...just saying life without Favre will make the team suck is a bit out there.

And why stop at when Favre got there?

Because my point was without Farve, the packers will suck again, just like they did in the 22 yrs BEFORE favre got there. The point that the team will suck without Farve is entirely valid, hell, they even sucked WITH him, this year.

 

[bullitt]

Could someone change the thread title to 'Bears vs. Packers'?

Sorry bud, I'll save it for another thread.



Back to why the Panthers will lose to the Bears.................................

 

[sho nuff]

Then you have a problem with reading too, don't ya?

The point in dropping Favre out is to show that your organization sucked before him, and will more likely than not suck after him. It's not way out there, because without him they didn't do a thing for 22 years. Very sound logic, since it's essentially the same logic you are using to suggest a very young Bears team will have trouble winning again next season.

And hence the reason for your bitterness.

Have a problem reading? No. Did I skim over it and basically ignore that part? Yes.Why is it more likely than not? That was also before any salary cap and true revenue sharing that makes the league much more even as far as competition for the smaller market teams. The conditions that existed then no longer exist in today's NFL. So you cannot look at things before the cap and just say they will not be good again. It is a flawed and foolish premise. It is way out there for that reason...and that GMs have changed, the board has changed, coaches changed, personnel, president's of the franchise...all are different leading to no real valid comparison between what happened then and the possible future of the team.

Very sound logic? Not at all...very shaky flawed logic actually given what the NFL is today vs. what it was then.

Also a very young Packers team...probably younger than the Bears are...but nice try...

Nope...no bitterness...because I know that once the Cap came into being the Packers have been one of the best franchises in football...and before this season had the best overall record since the start of the cap.

 

[sho nuff]

the delete button is your friend, no need to keep reposting everytime you respond, it is quite annoying.

Point being...just saying life without Favre will make the team suck is a bit out there.

And why stop at when Favre got there?

Because my point was without Farve, the packers will suck again, just like they did in the 22 yrs BEFORE favre got there. The point that the team will suck without Farve is entirely valid, hell, they even sucked WITH him, this year.

I pointed out to DrJ why it was not valid...as those eras and today are not comparable because of the salary cap and revenue sharing.

 

[Marc Levin]

No first time playoff QB won yet (0-4).

Sorry Rexy. Peppers is gunna bust you up.

Key-rockin' in full force in these NFC playoffs!!!

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

For Sonny Lubick doll or whatever your name is: Grossman IS twice the Qb orton is. Ask anybody that watches the games or knows football. The numbers don't show it, but the way the offense moves does. No, he is not peyton Manning, but he is that much better than orton.

Don't put words in my mouth.My comment about Grossman had nothing to do with Orton. He is clearly better, and has looked good. The poster said Grossman is twice the QB he was just months ago. I doubt that, and he still has to prove he can win in the playoffs. Delhomme has proven that much, already...he led his team to the Superbowl, and almost won it. There IS a difference.

 

[Your Mom]

I think Urlacher and Company will have something to say about that when Delhomme gets sacked another 8 times and picked a few times...

Cause it is going to go just like last time...

Of course it won't - the Panthers aren't getting off that easy. Grossman is twice the QB that they faced the first time, and Moose isn't going to drop 4 passes.27-3, Bears.

Um, do you have a link to when Grossman suddenly became twice the quarterback? He must have won some playoff games or something, right?

Don't put words in your mouth? You need to learn to read sonny. Look above. The poster said Grossman is TWICE the Qb that the panthers faced last time. That would be Kyle Orton. So again, Grossman is twice the QB orton is. Next?

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I think Urlacher and Company will have something to say about that when Delhomme gets sacked another 8 times and picked a few times...

Cause it is going to go just like last time...

Of course it won't - the Panthers aren't getting off that easy. Grossman is twice the QB that they faced the first time, and Moose isn't going to drop 4 passes.27-3, Bears.

Um, do you have a link to when Grossman suddenly became twice the quarterback? He must have won some playoff games or something, right?

Don't put words in your mouth? You need to learn to read sonny. Look above. The poster said Grossman is TWICE the Qb that the panthers faced last time. That would be Kyle Orton. So again, Grossman is twice the QB orton is. Next?

Oh, I see. You're right -- I misinterpreted it. Nonetheless, my money is still on the Panters. Good luck.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Don't put words in your mouth? You need to learn to read sonny. Look above. The poster said Grossman is TWICE the Qb that the panthers faced last time. That would be Kyle Orton. So again, Grossman is twice the QB orton is. Next?

So that would put his QB rating up to what, the 50's maybe?

 

[H.K.]

What is the Panthers' playoff record when BnB posts these threads? Is it up to 4-1 now?"....a player on a streak has to respect the streak."Crash Davis in Bull Durham

 

[Tau837]

This game, as most do, will come down to turnovers. In the first meeting, the 2 Delhomme int's resulted in a whopping 8 yard drive (TD) and a 3 yard drive (FG). Eliminate those and it was a 3-3 game. These two teams are very evenly matched. Whoever turns the ball over more this game loses.

Foster averaged 4.6 ypc and Steve Smith had 14 catches for 169 yards, so it's not like there were no positives.

Sure, Grossman is an improvement over Orton. But he's not as good as Eli Manning, and what did Carolina just do to him on the road?

IMO Chicago has to either win the turnover battle or score at least one defensive or special teams TD to win this game. They are clearly capable of doing that, but I could easily see it going the other way, and, in fact, I expect Carolina to win.

 

[Badm]

2-5-CAR25 (8:46) D.Foster right end to CAR 31 for 6 yards (N.Greisen). 3-2-NYG41 (12:39) D.Foster left guard to NYG 37 for 4 yards (M.Strahan). 2-10-NYG37 (11:14) N.Goings right guard to NYG 29 for 8 yards (B.Alexander). 3-2-NYG29 (10:31) N.Goings right tackle to NYG 22 for 7 yards (G.Wilson, K.Lewis). 3-11-CAR18 (3:01) N.Goings right guard to CAR 29 for 11 yards (J.Tuck, W.Allen). 2-5-CAR49 (9:27) N.Goings left tackle to NYG 41 for 10 yards (B.Alexander, G.Wilson). 2-5-CAR23 (3:58) D.Foster right tackle to CAR 31 for 8 yards (K.Lewis, B.Alexander). 2-10-CAR31 (2:33) D.Foster left end to NYG 38 for 31 yards (C.Webster, A.Jackson). 2-4-50 (10:59) D.Foster left tackle to NYG 45 for 5 yards (W.Allen, K.Lewis). 2-2-NYG25 (7:21) N.Goings left tackle to NYG 22 for 3 yards (K.Lewis, K.Allen). Do you really see this repeating itself against the Bears in Soldier Field? Bears 23Carolina 10

 

[Liquid Tension]

Giant fan here, but one that watches almost every single snap of football from every team (thank you NFL Package shortcuts). Carolina is a very talented team and they have a great coach. they have been a little inconsistent this year, but in the NFL that happens. Delhomme is underrated and Foster is very talented. However, both of those guys put the ball on the carpet and in Chicago that will happen in this game, although that is just one subplot in the great game. Orton was clearly one of the worst QB's in football so Grossman is an upgrade. How much remains to be seen, but the Bears are better than they were the last time they played Carolina (as is Carolina). Everything went right for the Panthers against the Giants, they outcoached, out called and outplayed the Giants. However, don't make the mistake most everyone does and assume what happened last week will happen again. The Giants were missing ALL FOUR starting linebackers and most Giant fans were not that confident going into the game. The Bears will be able to fill the gaps the Giants couldn't and the Carolina OFFENSE won't put up more than 13 points IMO. Now on to the other side of the ball. There was no excuse for the Giants offense to play so poorly and the Carlolina pressure was the main reason. Carolina was able to stop Tiki with prssure and then when the ball didn't go to Tiki, they put pressure on Eli, who had a terrible game, but also was under great pressure and that is when most QB's do struggle. The Bear OL is better than the Giants and the power running game will be more effective against Carolina. The passing game will struggle but do enough to move the ball at times.I really see this as a very close game and special teams may even decide it. Kasay is a real good kicker and that is where Carolina has an edge. All in all the people that are not respecting the best defense in football (Chicago) are just ignorant. Anytime, you can play excellent defense and have an effective running attack and you are at home you have a good chance of winning. Carolina has a similar philosophy as the Bears with a little weaker defense and a little better offense. I think these teams are even, but I give the home filed and the rested ball club a liitle edge. The defensive TO's from the Bears will be the difference in getting them the victory 17-13.

 

[The Swarm]

This game, as most do, will come down to turnovers. In the first meeting, the 2 Delhomme int's resulted in a whopping 8 yard drive (TD) and a 3 yard drive (FG). Eliminate those and it was a 3-3 game. These two teams are very evenly matched. Whoever turns the ball over more this game loses.

Although this is oft-quoted football wisdom for any game, in this case you're dead on. The question is not "which D is better," but "is the Carolina D equally able to stuff the Bears O." Both defenses come into this game strong and able to put the opposing offense in a hurt locker. The Bears O does not inspire me, nor does the Car O inspire me enough to think the Bears won't rattle it.Unless one team clearly rattles the other early and forces a huge momentum shift (IMO even odds for either team) this battle will come down to field position, special teams, and breaking a big play or two. I expect the Bears to win the field position battle. But I think the Panthers are more likely to break a big play with Steve Smith or Kris Mangum, and I trust Kasay to make the long field goals. Edge Panthers.

 

[timintey]

2-5-CAR25 (8:46) D.Foster right end to CAR 31 for 6 yards (N.Greisen).

3-2-NYG41 (12:39) D.Foster left guard to NYG 37 for 4 yards (M.Strahan).

2-10-NYG37 (11:14) N.Goings right guard to NYG 29 for 8 yards (B.Alexander).

3-2-NYG29 (10:31) N.Goings right tackle to NYG 22 for 7 yards (G.Wilson, K.Lewis).

3-11-CAR18 (3:01) N.Goings right guard to CAR 29 for 11 yards (J.Tuck, W.Allen).

2-5-CAR49 (9:27) N.Goings left tackle to NYG 41 for 10 yards (B.Alexander, G.Wilson).

2-5-CAR23 (3:58) D.Foster right tackle to CAR 31 for 8 yards (K.Lewis, B.Alexander).

2-10-CAR31 (2:33) D.Foster left end to NYG 38 for 31 yards (C.Webster, A.Jackson).

2-4-50 (10:59) D.Foster left tackle to NYG 45 for 5 yards (W.Allen, K.Lewis).

2-2-NYG25 (7:21) N.Goings left tackle to NYG 22 for 3 yards (K.Lewis, K.Allen).

Do you really see this repeating itself against the Bears in Soldier Field?

Bears 23

Carolina 10

Carolina doesn't necessarily have to repeat this in order to win. Bears only scored 16 pts against a far weaker Atlanta defense just a couple of weeks ago. Unless Carolina gives them a short field via turnovers, I don't see them scoring more than 10-13 pts this time.

 

[mbuehner]

IMO Chicago has to either win the turnover battle or score at least one defensive or special teams TD to win this game. They are clearly capable of doing that, but I could easily see it going the other way, and, in fact, I expect Carolina to win.

Bears defense scored 6 TDs this season and set up several others (red zone turnovers), that is the ex-factor.

Comparing the Bears to the Giants game is just nutty. Nobody has mentioned the critical issue of field position and how it affects the game. The Giants couldnt stop anybody so they played the whole game on their half of the field. The Bears D and Special Teams ought to be able to force the issue and hand the offense the ball closer to midfield or better. That leads to a completely different game in every facit. All things being equal the Bears should be able to grind out a victory- but the wild cards here are the big play advantage of Carolina and the defensive/ST td by the Bears. These are two well discplined teams, and this game could easily come down to 1 big play either way.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Why is a 4-12 team being discussed in a playoff game thread? Are we going to talk about the Texans next?

 

[sho nuff]

Why is a 4-12 team being discussed in a playoff game thread? Are we going to talk about the Texans next?

Because a Bears fan brought em up...

 

[DrJ]

Also a very young Packers team...probably younger than the Bears are...but nice try...

Young and bad. I'd much prefer young talent, like Da Bears have.

 

[DrJ]

Why is a 4-12 team being discussed in a playoff game thread? Are we going to talk about the Texans next?

Because sho nuff is a bitter Packer fan trying to throw salt on a quality playoff team.

 

[sho nuff]

Also a very young Packers team...probably younger than the Bears are...but nice try...

Young and bad. I'd much prefer young talent, like Da Bears have.

 

[sho nuff]

Why is a 4-12 team being discussed in a playoff game thread? Are we going to talk about the Texans next?

Because sho nuff is a bitter Packer fan trying to throw salt on a quality playoff team.

Yawn...No bitterness here...just trying to bring you down a notch to a place the rest of us like to call REALITY.

 

[DrJ]

Why is a 4-12 team being discussed in a playoff game thread?  Are we going to talk about the Texans next?

Because sho nuff is a bitter Packer fan trying to throw salt on a quality playoff team.

Yawn...No bitterness here...just trying to bring you down a notch to a place the rest of us like to call REALITY.

Just as you have done all season long, before win after win. When your perception of reality is proven false time and time again, it's time to adjust a bit my friend. Of course, since you're the guy that still believes Favre had nothing to do with the Packers sucking this year, I guess I won't expect that to happen any time soon.

 

[sho nuff]

Why is a 4-12 team being discussed in a playoff game thread? Are we going to talk about the Texans next?

Because sho nuff is a bitter Packer fan trying to throw salt on a quality playoff team.

Yawn...No bitterness here...just trying to bring you down a notch to a place the rest of us like to call REALITY.

Just as you have done all season long, before win after win. When your perception of reality is proven false time and time again, it's time to adjust a bit my friend. Of course, since you're the guy that still believes Favre had nothing to do with the Packers sucking this year, I guess I won't expect that to happen any time soon.

Just another sign you have no clue about reality.Care to point out anywhere where I have ever stated Favre did not have anything to do with the Packers sucking this year? Just one?



My perception of reality has been proven false? Where? You somehow can refute what I have stated about the facts regarding Carolina coming into this game?

 

[DrJ]

Care to point out anywhere where I have ever stated Favre did not have anything to do with the Packers sucking this year? Just one?

Pretty easy for you to hide behind these statements since the bored they are on is crashed. Don't worry, only another 21 years of Packer suck after this one - it'll be okay.

 

[sho nuff]

Care to point out anywhere where I have ever stated Favre did not have anything to do with the Packers sucking this year? Just one?

Pretty easy for you to hide behind these statements since the bored they are on is crashed. Don't worry, only another 21 years of Packer suck after this one - it'll be okay.

Pretty easy for me to say since never once did I completely excuse the man from being a reason for the Packer's record.Saying he is not solely responsible is not the same as saying he had no repsonsibility.

Pretty simple concept....again...come join us in "reality".

 

[sho nuff]

Back to the thread, as J obviously does not want to talk facts....Should be a great game if you like defense..but as others have said, I think the possibility for Carolina to have a few big plays offensively will make the difference.

 

[riverrat]

The Panthers will not be dominated the way they were the first time. This will be a good, defensive game. If I were going to bet it I'd look seriously at the under. Snash mouth football!Go Panthers!

 

[mbuehner]

 

[The Swarm]

Nobody has mentioned the critical issue of field position and how it affects the game. {snip} These are two well discplined teams, and this game could easily come down to 1 big play either way.

this battle will come down to field position, special teams, and breaking a big play or two.

 

[Your Mom]

Don't put words in your mouth?  You need to learn to read sonny.  Look above. The poster said Grossman is TWICE the Qb that the panthers faced last time.  That would be Kyle Orton.  So again, Grossman is twice the QB orton is.  Next?

So that would put his QB rating up to what, the 50's maybe?

Like I stated earlier, the rating doesn't show it, but anyone that watches the games knows Grossman is twice the QB. The offense MOVES the ball and defenses don't stack 8 in the box ALL THE TIME. This is going to be a great game.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Like I stated earlier, the rating doesn't show it, but anyone that watches the games knows Grossman is twice the QB. The offense MOVES the ball and defenses don't stack 8 in the box ALL THE TIME. This is going to be a great game.

He is the rex-factor in this game. I think it will be a good game as well.

 

[sho nuff]

Well DrJ...happened just like last game huh? Cue the "well, where were the Packers" comments.

 

[sho nuff]

 

[PsychoMan]

Back to the thread, as J obviously does not want to talk facts....

Should be a great game if you like defense..but as others have said, I think the possibility for Carolina to have a few big plays offensively will make the difference.

Well you were exactly right - a few big plays made the difference. As a Bears fan, I was extremely disappointed to see them play their worst defensive game of the season.Wasn't it a bit odd that both of Steve Smith touchdowns were completely uncontested because the DB fell flat on his face.

WTF happened - twice? Most frustrating thing I've ever seen, well that and the fact that the punter shanked his first 4 punts giving Carolina great field position.

So yeh I'm pissed, but I like Carolina so I hope they beat up on Seattle too.

 

[sho nuff]

Back to the thread, as J obviously does not want to talk facts....

Should be a great game if you like defense..but as others have said, I think the possibility for Carolina to have a few big plays offensively will make the difference.

Well you were exactly right - a few big plays made the difference. As a Bears fan, I was extremely disappointed to see them play their worst defensive game of the season.Wasn't it a bit odd that both of Steve Smith touchdowns were completely uncontested because the DB fell flat on his face.

WTF happened - twice? Most frustrating thing I've ever seen, well that and the fact that the punter shanked his first 4 punts giving Carolina great field position.

So yeh I'm pissed, but I like Carolina so I hope they beat up on Seattle too.

Id be a bit frustrated with your coach of the year as well...Not doubling Smith...sitting Grossman in that Minny game. He looked very off the entire first quarter...for a guy with limited playing time, I just do not see how he could rest him late in the season when he was finally getting playing time.

 

[mbuehner]

Chalk the game up to experience ultimately. Carolina had it, Bears didnt, including the defensive coaching and it showed.- Ron Rivera simply didnt make the adjustments necessary to stop Steve Smith. Its not that they didnt double cover him, they did. But it didnt matter because the wrong personel were involved. They decided to put their most physical corner on him to try to get a jam, but you cant jam Steve Smith and Tillman cant run with him. That essentially let Smith run free into the second level, make the catch unchallenged and work his magic. Instead the pure cover corner and superior DB Nathan Vasher should have had him all day, run with him and try to break up the receptions. Smith will still catch balls but Vasher can then grab him immediately and let the heavy hitters come in and lay lumber. They contained Smith last game by doing just that, giving him catches underneath but not letting him catch the ball in space or run free downfield. Smith could have caught for 300 yards but if he didnt score those 2 TDs the Bears win.-Grossman was nervous early, settled down and played fine, but then forced some bad passes that ultimately ended the game in an ill advised INT at the end. Thats just what 95% of young QBs do in high pressure game. For all that he impressed me considering how much they asked him to do. He will learn and someday soon he will be leading that last drive to the endzone.-Special teams were mediocre at best. Punts were lousy and i dont recall a single return that set up anything. A lot of people thought and said the Bears would need 1 or 2 big plays out of their ST to put them over the top. Didnt happen.

 

[sho nuff]

Still no DrJ huh? Had to run and hide I suppose...

 

[DrJ]

Still no DrJ huh? Had to run and hide I suppose...

Wow, you've been trolling for me all week? Didn't realize I was so important to you, slappy.

 

[sho nuff]

Still no DrJ huh? Had to run and hide I suppose...

Wow, you've been trolling for me all week? Didn't realize I was so important to you, slappy.

Just figured you would be silent...as most who talk as much trash as you do are after being shown how wrong you were.Oh...and this was calling you out....no need to "troll".

Pretty simple...do not talk trash your team cannot back up.