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The Perfect Tebow Offense (1 Viewer)

karmarooster

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I couldn't help but noticing that Fox's playing calling on the first and last drive of the game was markedly different from most of the play-calling in between. Only on that first and last drive did Fox show much creativity, but in general he's a conservative and boring coach. Imagine if Tebow had someone as creative as New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton or Josh McDaniels - in fact he did have Josh McDaniels, and had a 300 yard passing game with him!

Everyone says that the Jets Defense with 3 DTs and strong edge play was the perfect defense to box him in - but Fox made it easy by calling several bland running plays with a gimpy McGahee and a not-so-athletic Lance Ball. Duh, running average RBs into a defensive front with 3 DTs isn't likely to work, and it doesn't take a defensive genius to figure that out, or an offensive genius to realize that you need to do something different there. Tebow under center handing off to a RB on a traditional run doesn't make much sense - the defense will stack and encroach and be in perfect position to stop a hand-off or a QB keeper. He's simply not effective as a runner or thrower under center, and the RBs aren't great.

So what kind of offense (or defense to stop him) would the Sharkpool design for Tebow to utilize his strengths and shield his weaknesses?

Heavy-set to take advantage of the extra blocker:

__WR_______WR_______[T]__T__G__C__G__T_________WR

___________________________[FB]

_________________________________TB

-3 WRs split out WIDE - too many times the Bronco's bunched up, but if you spread everyone out you give him more room to run and force the defense to spread thinner.

-Outside WRs streak up the field to clear things out underneath, and present a bomb target a la Decker last week

-Slot WR runs something underneath/slant/in/out to give him a safety

-Extra tackle - imagine an unbalanced line with a big tackle next to Ryan Clady, except that on the other side instead of a TE you have the RT

-Lead FB to clear a path. Thus on the left side of the line - Tebow's strong side - its two tackles, a guard, and FB.

This is really the key to take advantage of his running ability - the offense plays with an extra lineman instead of a sub-standard RB, and blocks with an extra man on every play. Tebow can roll left, look deep, look underneath, or tuck it and run upfield with blockers and the WRs having cleared some DBs out deep. The defense has to contend with a power-rush formations with 7 blockers, plus WRs deep up the field and a playmaker lurking on an underneath route which makes it risky to stack 8 in the box. If they don't it's 7-on-7.

Four-wide with a RB:

-drawing sucks so I won't do that, but this is straight forward, with a Zone read to the RB and 4 WRs spread out across the entire field - they can either go deep give Tebow an easy underneath pass, and most importantly block downfield.

-D-Thomas is a big guy but looked pretty suspect blocking at times last night (but he might've redeemed himself on the last play - not sure what WRs were blocking in the endzone). On one particular run on the last drive, rather than take on a DE, he let him go by and the DE ultimately tackled Tebow up the sideline - if he were blocked, Tebow could've gained quite a bit more yardage. The play where Tebow ran over CB Revis.

-see here at 41 seconds: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8243b64f/Tebow-s-game-winning-drive?module=HP11_headline_stack

-The simple zone read is probably best in this light formation b/c it prevents the defense from rolling with 3 DTs

Motion options with WR Eddie Royal and a RB:

-on the first drive of the game and a few times last week, the offense used Royal - the only other dynamic playmaker on this offense - to carry the ball, and he's good. 4 attempts for 29 yards.

-Having the option to hand off in a zone read, run it himself, or flip it to Royal on an end-around or some sort of shuffle is the idea. there are several tricks to implement - see everything the Falcons do with Vick and McCoy when Vick tosses an inside shuffle. This is particularly effective more than the dangerous pass the Bronco's threw to royal on the goal line b/c a drop is an incompletion.

Other options:

-pistol formation - I bet you Chan Gailey could draw up a few plays in the sand.

-a college tempo offense like the Oregon Ducks/Houston/or Toledo that spreads out with 4 WR and then mostly runs with the RB - or obviously gives Tebow the option to keep it himself or throw.

-If I were HC Fox, I would blast the team with conditioning drills over the next 10 days - with WRs running wind-sprints to let them run 9-routes and Tebow finishing off every run in practice so he doesn't get gassed after carrying the ball 15-20 times. A hurry up running offense with 7 lineman blocking for a 240 lb. QB/RB at a tempo fast enough to prevent defensive substitutions could easily pound a defense into submission.

 
Defense: Man coverage on the receivers, middle linebacker keying on Tebow, defensive line maintain containment by rushing straight up field.

 
Jets were using a scrape exchange yesterday early on to defend to Tebow on the read option. The DEs were crashing every time, with the LB (I believe it was Scott having the contain on the QB read. This changes the read for the QB from the DE to the LB.

It's a common defensive approach college teams use to handle a read option and I wasn't surprised to see it used last night. The question is how does the offense respond when presented with this?

Offensively, I'd love to see a third option added to the base read option (1-RB, 2-QB) of reading the nickel/LB on the slot WR with an option to throw. They did something similar to this out of their triple option (the option to pitch or throw the shovel pass) last night, but this would be specifically out of the read option. College teams do this on a regular basis (the spread option ones mostly. Being a Michigan fan, I know they use it ocassionaly).

 
Defense: Man coverage on the receivers, middle linebacker keying on Tebow, defensive line maintain containment by rushing straight up field.
You'd get destroyed by RBs or Tebow in a read option in that case. DL rushing striaght upfield are going to create wide running lanes, and Tebow simply has to read the MLB on his mesh point with the RB.Plus, on a traditional read option you leave a DE unblocked, and he has to commit the RB or QB, leaving that lineman free to block the MLB who is "keying" on Tebow. Huge hole assuming Tebow makes the proper read at the mesh.
 
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Jets were using a scrape exchange yesterday early on to defend to Tebow on the read option. The DEs were crashing every time, with the LB (I believe it was Scott having the contain on the QB read. This changes the read for the QB from the DE to the LB.It's a common defensive approach college teams use to handle a read option and I wasn't surprised to see it used last night. The question is how does the offense respond when presented with this?
I'm hoping that McCoy/Fox (and Tebow) know a thing or two about the option and can improve on this. Tebow musta seen scrape exchanges all day back at Florida. Coaches need to predict this a little better so the QB and line know the new read man.
 
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Jets were using a scrape exchange yesterday early on to defend to Tebow on the read option. The DEs were crashing every time, with the LB (I believe it was Scott having the contain on the QB read. This changes the read for the QB from the DE to the LB.It's a common defensive approach college teams use to handle a read option and I wasn't surprised to see it used last night. The question is how does the offense respond when presented with this?
I'm hoping that McCoy/Fox (and Tebow) know a thing or two about the option and can improve on this. Tebow musta seen scrape exchanges all day back at Florida. Coaches need to predict this a little better so the QB and line know the new read man.
I'm sure Tebow did, and I'd assume he at least knows the counter to it (a proper read will still do just fine, but you might expose Tebow to some hits, as we saw last night on the early read-option). The more different things you do with blocking/giving the QB a different player to read (Oregon, for example, runs a version which reads the DT - smartfootball.com has a great breakdown of it) the harder it gets for defenses. Denver should definitely considering inserting a midline into their playbook for next week.The question is, how far are McCoy and Fox willing to go on understanding this offense? I tell you what, I'd have Meyer & Rodriguez on speed dial to pick their brains, as they are quite familiar with the X's and O's of this system.
 
Jets were using a scrape exchange yesterday early on to defend to Tebow on the read option. The DEs were crashing every time, with the LB (I believe it was Scott having the contain on the QB read. This changes the read for the QB from the DE to the LB.It's a common defensive approach college teams use to handle a read option and I wasn't surprised to see it used last night. The question is how does the offense respond when presented with this?
I'm hoping that McCoy/Fox (and Tebow) know a thing or two about the option and can improve on this. Tebow musta seen scrape exchanges all day back at Florida. Coaches need to predict this a little better so the QB and line know the new read man.
I'm sure Tebow did, and I'd assume he at least knows the counter to it (a proper read will still do just fine, but you might expose Tebow to some hits, as we saw last night on the early read-option). The more different things you do with blocking/giving the QB a different player to read (Oregon, for example, runs a version which reads the DT - smartfootball.com has a great breakdown of it) the harder it gets for defenses. Denver should definitely considering inserting a midline into their playbook for next week.The question is, how far are McCoy and Fox willing to go on understanding this offense? I tell you what, I'd have Meyer & Rodriguez on speed dial to pick their brains, as they are quite familiar with the X's and O's of this system.
yeah I love smartfootball. I lol whenever someone says "play assignment football!" as to how to counter it.Honestly, I don't know why the midline/veer stuff isn't already being run. It's all the same concepts, just a different read for the QB. It makes it so much harder for the D, each guy doesn't know if he is the one being read. I question the knowledge of McCoy on this stuff. I hope he has some spread option contacts, doesn't have to be the big name guys, so he can get some new counters to what the D is showing them. Eventually, the WR screens should open up, just like those long runs that McGahee had opened up.
 
Jets were using a scrape exchange yesterday early on to defend to Tebow on the read option. The DEs were crashing every time, with the LB (I believe it was Scott having the contain on the QB read. This changes the read for the QB from the DE to the LB.It's a common defensive approach college teams use to handle a read option and I wasn't surprised to see it used last night. The question is how does the offense respond when presented with this?
I'm hoping that McCoy/Fox (and Tebow) know a thing or two about the option and can improve on this. Tebow musta seen scrape exchanges all day back at Florida. Coaches need to predict this a little better so the QB and line know the new read man.
I'm sure Tebow did, and I'd assume he at least knows the counter to it (a proper read will still do just fine, but you might expose Tebow to some hits, as we saw last night on the early read-option). The more different things you do with blocking/giving the QB a different player to read (Oregon, for example, runs a version which reads the DT - smartfootball.com has a great breakdown of it) the harder it gets for defenses. Denver should definitely considering inserting a midline into their playbook for next week.The question is, how far are McCoy and Fox willing to go on understanding this offense? I tell you what, I'd have Meyer & Rodriguez on speed dial to pick their brains, as they are quite familiar with the X's and O's of this system.
yeah I love smartfootball. I lol whenever someone says "play assignment football!" as to how to counter it.Honestly, I don't know why the midline/veer stuff isn't already being run. It's all the same concepts, just a different read for the QB. It makes it so much harder for the D, each guy doesn't know if he is the one being read. I question the knowledge of McCoy on this stuff. I hope he has some spread option contacts, doesn't have to be the big name guys, so he can get some new counters to what the D is showing them. Eventually, the WR screens should open up, just like those long runs that McGahee had opened up.
Agree 100%. I'd suspect the screens to come next. For whatever reason coaches (Rodriguez fell in this boat at Michigan) seem to not implement the midline/veer even when defenses are practically begging them to by the way they counter the base read option. My cynicism says McCoy will do the same and ignore it too.
 
Defense: Man coverage on the receivers, middle linebacker keying on Tebow, defensive line maintain containment by rushing straight up field.
You'd get destroyed by RBs or Tebow in a read option in that case. DL rushing striaght upfield are going to create wide running lanes, and Tebow simply has to read the MLB on his mesh point with the RB.Plus, on a traditional read option you leave a DE unblocked, and he has to commit the RB or QB, leaving that lineman free to block the MLB who is "keying" on Tebow. Huge hole assuming Tebow makes the proper read at the mesh.
I'd much rather force the run up the middle than lose the edge, like last night.
 
Defense: Man coverage on the receivers, middle linebacker keying on Tebow, defensive line maintain containment by rushing straight up field.
You'd get destroyed by RBs or Tebow in a read option in that case. DL rushing striaght upfield are going to create wide running lanes, and Tebow simply has to read the MLB on his mesh point with the RB.Plus, on a traditional read option you leave a DE unblocked, and he has to commit the RB or QB, leaving that lineman free to block the MLB who is "keying" on Tebow. Huge hole assuming Tebow makes the proper read at the mesh.
I'd much rather force the run up the middle than lose the edge, like last night.
I'd rather win than care about whether I lost on an edge run or a run up the middle.
 
Defense: Man coverage on the receivers, middle linebacker keying on Tebow, defensive line maintain containment by rushing straight up field.
You'd get destroyed by RBs or Tebow in a read option in that case. DL rushing striaght upfield are going to create wide running lanes, and Tebow simply has to read the MLB on his mesh point with the RB.Plus, on a traditional read option you leave a DE unblocked, and he has to commit the RB or QB, leaving that lineman free to block the MLB who is "keying" on Tebow. Huge hole assuming Tebow makes the proper read at the mesh.
I'd much rather force the run up the middle than lose the edge, like last night.
I'd rather win than care about whether I lost on an edge run or a run up the middle.
They keep him in the center of the field and they do win.
 
Defense: Man coverage on the receivers, middle linebacker keying on Tebow, defensive line maintain containment by rushing straight up field.
You'd get destroyed by RBs or Tebow in a read option in that case. DL rushing striaght upfield are going to create wide running lanes, and Tebow simply has to read the MLB on his mesh point with the RB.Plus, on a traditional read option you leave a DE unblocked, and he has to commit the RB or QB, leaving that lineman free to block the MLB who is "keying" on Tebow. Huge hole assuming Tebow makes the proper read at the mesh.
I'd much rather force the run up the middle than lose the edge, like last night.
I'd rather win than care about whether I lost on an edge run or a run up the middle.
They keep him in the center of the field and they do win.
Um, what?Just when I thought we were getting into some good stuff with mrspree and I discussing the read option...
 
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Defense: Man coverage on the receivers, middle linebacker keying on Tebow, defensive line maintain containment by rushing straight up field.
You'd get destroyed by RBs or Tebow in a read option in that case. DL rushing striaght upfield are going to create wide running lanes, and Tebow simply has to read the MLB on his mesh point with the RB.Plus, on a traditional read option you leave a DE unblocked, and he has to commit the RB or QB, leaving that lineman free to block the MLB who is "keying" on Tebow. Huge hole assuming Tebow makes the proper read at the mesh.
I'd much rather force the run up the middle than lose the edge, like last night.
I'd rather win than care about whether I lost on an edge run or a run up the middle.
They keep him in the center of the field and they do win.
Um, what?Just when I thought we were getting into some good stuff with mrspree and I discussing the read option...
you can go on discussing your read option with Mr. Spree. On his touchdown run if they force him to the center of the field he doesn't score
 
you can go on discussing your read option with Mr. Spree. On his touchdown run if they force him to the center of the field he doesn't score
Maybe not on that particular play, but in general the concept of giving up the center of the field isn't really a counter to the read option.
 
Defense: Man coverage on the receivers, middle linebacker keying on Tebow, defensive line maintain containment by rushing straight up field.
You'd get destroyed by RBs or Tebow in a read option in that case. DL rushing striaght upfield are going to create wide running lanes, and Tebow simply has to read the MLB on his mesh point with the RB.Plus, on a traditional read option you leave a DE unblocked, and he has to commit the RB or QB, leaving that lineman free to block the MLB who is "keying" on Tebow. Huge hole assuming Tebow makes the proper read at the mesh.
I'd much rather force the run up the middle than lose the edge, like last night.
I'd rather win than care about whether I lost on an edge run or a run up the middle.
They keep him in the center of the field and they do win.
Um, what?Just when I thought we were getting into some good stuff with mrspree and I discussing the read option...
you can go on discussing your read option with Mr. Spree. On his touchdown run if they force him to the center of the field he doesn't score
I think the OP was thinking of a gameplan for an entire game. It doesn't seem like Rex wanted everybody crashing to the middle and Antonio Cromartie enjoying a view of the play from the endzone for that particular play.
 
Defense: Man coverage on the receivers, middle linebacker keying on Tebow, defensive line maintain containment by rushing straight up field.
You'd get destroyed by RBs or Tebow in a read option in that case. DL rushing striaght upfield are going to create wide running lanes, and Tebow simply has to read the MLB on his mesh point with the RB.Plus, on a traditional read option you leave a DE unblocked, and he has to commit the RB or QB, leaving that lineman free to block the MLB who is "keying" on Tebow. Huge hole assuming Tebow makes the proper read at the mesh.
I'd much rather force the run up the middle than lose the edge, like last night.
I'd rather win than care about whether I lost on an edge run or a run up the middle.
They keep him in the center of the field and they do win.
What makes you say they would win if he had rushed up the field? He could've got a first down, or if not they were already in field goal range, so the game goes to overtime. If the Jet's stop that play for no gain, nothing indicates auto-win.
 
No one has really commented though on the idea of an extra Offensive lineman. By giving up the RB and using Tebow as a runner, the offense gains a man who can block - by using an extra Tackle as that man, you exploit/maximize the fundamental concept. Nothing to me indicates that a defense could consistently stop 6 O-linemen and a FB running at them with a 7 man front, and with an 8 man front, a few deep routes and some crossing underneath is dangerous against cover 1.

 
I would stick with a 2wr, 1te, 1rb set. Have blockers out there with a short pattern about 10 yards down field in case the option is taken away on the play and pound the ball with a variety of runners. The wr's are decoys until the couple shots down the field are taken. Get big lineman, but mobile lineman, to move the line and block, pull, whatever to keep the defense having to move, thus getting tired. Use this method for >50% of the plays keeps the defense guessing what play might be coming. Some misdirection plays, read single coverage on the deep ball if the safeties are cheating.

Rinse repeat. Boring? Maybe. Effective? Definitely.

 
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No one has really commented though on the idea of an extra Offensive lineman. By giving up the RB and using Tebow as a runner, the offense gains a man who can block - by using an extra Tackle as that man, you exploit/maximize the fundamental concept. Nothing to me indicates that a defense could consistently stop 6 O-linemen and a FB running at them with a 7 man front, and with an 8 man front, a few deep routes and some crossing underneath is dangerous against cover 1.
Teams do run this on ocassion with a a heavy set. If you consistently do it though you're going to get countered with an additional DL. It's simply a numbers game. My issue is that your exposing Tebow to more hits and leaving little room for deception when you simply run an Iso or a power with him. Not that you ocassionally shouldn't do it (you should), but as a consistent gameplan that's a lot of wear and tear. Plus having a T instead of a TE does limit your options in the passing game.
 

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