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The real anti-gun (violence) thread. (1 Viewer)
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Assault being against the law and assault weapons being legal is the problem. All automatics and sidearms - in other words, tools whose only function is to send projectiles into human flesh - illegal, possession punished by 10 yrs stir. I dont care if we have to issue a hunting rifle to every home in America in exchange, it's that or nothing. No lesser measure will solve anything. We are not a frontier nation any longer and that ideation must end or the tyranny comes from us.
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Those are two different senses of “assault”.
Im trying to get at the root of the conditions that lead to violent eruptions.
Bluesbomber
Footballguy
Mental health understanding and teaching our youth to understand being different is good, would be a good start. No stigma to illness of any kind. Treatment and diagnosis to young and old and proper nutrition without reliance on pharmaceuticals which can lead to dependancies and side effects. Grass roots wellness with support from our government.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
While our society and its values are to blame for violence......gun culture and gun idolization are so intergrated into our societal fabric that you can't have a serious discussion without analyzing and critiquing them.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
i wouldnt have responded if my answer was political. it's moral (though not the way you might think), psychological. the ideation that problems can be solved, grudges settled, wounds licked, temper ameliorated, invisibility and fecklessness exploded by a single strafe must leave the mind as an option to stop that kind of thinking
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A very good point.
Have you considered that guns are not the end all and be all way that people attack eachother? As technology advances so might the method of violence.
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Politics play no role in the march of our species. These are but words that label an idea to conjure a response.
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I think there's either going to reach a point where gun technology is going to become so problematic or the audacity of an "event' is so out there.....that even all but the most stalwart base defenders (the "yeah...I should be allowed to have a nuclear weapon) of the 2nd Amendment are going to have to question it.
A perfect example.
Were you intending to be confused or emulating the confusion some could feel?
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Quint
Footballguy
they study the causes of traffic deaths, cancer, etc.
if they were allowed to study gun violence, maybe they'd come up with some information to better understand the problem and find ways to prevent/mitigate it.
I think that would be too absurd to ever happen and it’s also very divergent of the point I was making.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
I drive to and fro from work every day. If anyone is taking their data in to account I can’t say I have much faith in it.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Look, there are several factors involved here, but I think what you are starting to see is that most people don't seem to think that anything but addressing the gun side is very reasonable. I think access to guns that have the ability to cause this much damage in such a short amount of time is a huge difference between us and the rest of the world.
What else do you seriously want to talk about, maybe suggest some things since you obviously seem to think you know the answer.
- Violent culture?
- severe income disparity between the top and the bottom?
- health care system ill equipped to take mental illness seriously?
- something wrong with the Y chromosome since this only seems to be a male problem?
- media giving the shooters all the notoriety they can't get in regular life?
- breakdown of the family and lack of connection with other human beings in general?
Quint
Footballguy
are you talking about morality and man's duty to follow reason?
Kant had some interesting thoughts on this. read up.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
see, you drew me in again by speaking english after 4-5 gobbledy####s
the root of violence is simple.
the first job of any organism, including the mind of a human, is survival. the first step in maintaining survival is dominance. in higher species, dominance must be frustrated for cooperation to exist, but the instinct ever remains. the byproduct of the frustration of dominance is rage (as one can see in a 3yo child pulling at his pants with his eyes bugging out over not getting an impulse item @ checkout or the immense grief of a li'l girl who hasn't her dolly).
due to a design flaw in the development of the pre-frontal cortex too complicated to describe here, each person stores EVERY incident of juvenile upset without being able to get at the memories to process them in a rational manner. each adult therefore has a pool of unresolved rage acting behind virtually everything they do. that, plus the delusions caused by our abstractions of that rage explain virtually everything an adult human does.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
It's not though. I am pretty sure that NOBODY is saying that will solve the problem and people's desire to do harm to others will go away. There is a huge difference between people trying to act on that with a handgun and a knife and acting on that with the type of weapon these people have. We are not talking about ending all violence, but not taking seriously the ability to end a couple lives and ending 40 is just nonsense.
Quint
Footballguy
agreed.
would also add that "goodness" or altruism is a learned behavior, and in contradiction to man's natural state.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
But it's the job, best voiced by Katherine Hepburn's Rosie in The African Queen. When Bogie excuses a behavior by saying it's his nature, Rosie replies, " Nature, Mr Allnut, is what we were put in the world to rise above". nufced
Chadstroma
Footballguy
There is no one answer. Both the left and the right will need to budge off of their ideological stances to affect real change.
Short of repealing the 2nd Amendment (which is not there to protect the right to go hunt on weekends) and heading the country into an actual civil war, the way I see it, a few things that would make some difference....
Short of repealing the 2nd Amendment (which is not there to protect the right to go hunt on weekends) and heading the country into an actual civil war, the way I see it, a few things that would make some difference....
- Heavy restrictions on high powered rifles commonly and many times erroneously referred to as assault weapons. Special licensing needed that would have stronger requirements, e.g. a psychological screening.
- More investment in mental health care with power to detain those deemed potentially dangerous for treatment.
- The idea of 'gun free zones' need to be demolished. Armed guards and/or volunteer teachers with special conceal carry permits and given firearm training on par with law enforcement MUST happen. All we are doing is inviting these troubled, angry people to go to a 'soft' target with lots of people to do lots of damage and make a name for themselves.
- Make it a federal crime to publish the name of any assailant at one of these shootings. They are looking to inflict pain and make a name for themselves. Take that away.
As an enormously cynical person I find this much too cynical of a philosophy.
For us to live in a state we are all comfortable living in it requires a society around us. Altruism is not purely learned, it can also be beneficial, that in no way degrades it’s merit.
The food , water and air we breath are provided by other forms of life. No man stands alone .
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Are you saying that either: 1. We are going to end all violent inpulses, or 2. You believe that people are actually talking about banning every form of firearm in the country? Both are equally asinine.
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May I address these 4 points as I feel necessary?
My answers may seem radical so if you find that offensive I can respond purely on logic with no outside influence.
I was implying neither. I was opening a discussion with no expectation of solving a problem in the short term.
To solve the problem in the long term i feel these dialogues dialogues are necessary. Many of them.
If I really wanted to be a jerk I would point out that you misspelled ( typo in reality ) the word “impulses”.
I won’t do that because I understood and the type of people that point such things out are the kind of people that support totalitarian regimes.
JuniorGong
Footballguy
Less than two weeks
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Advances in technology are good for society when they make living as part of a society better. Advances in technology are not good for society when they make living as part of a society worse.
The 2nd amendment was adopted when a gun fired one bullet at a time and need about a minute to reload. I would be fine keeping the 2nd amendment if the only arms it protects the right of a person to bear are arms that existed when it was adopted. If we are going to consider advancements in gun technology, then the 2nd amendment needs to be reconsidered simultaneously, and even though some will say we have, we've obviously failed.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
You are focusing on details and not the essence of the amendment. If the gov developed these weapons we as the people must defend ourselves from them in the same way.
If anyone kicks in our door we have the right to respond in kind. Rights are not debatable. That is why they are rights. If you are willing to bend on one of them it won’t be long until you are forced to defend your right to exist.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
If they can afford it why not?
To use it in war would require a large crew of sailors and pilots. Convincing those sailors and pilots to cooperate towards a common goal would require vast resources and a high level of indoctrination. Well beyond the bounds of any private citizen, but if they were able to make it happen how would it be different from what we have now?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Then the people have already given up their 2nd amendment rights, because we can't own aircraft carriers.
Eventually technology will advance to a point where someone could build one in their basement. Who has the right to control technology?
Im not saying they haven’t .
I would say they shouldn’t.
But this is well outside the intent of this thread. Why do you feel the need to politicize everything? What is the aircraft carrier on your back?
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