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The real deficit last year: $5 trillion... (1 Viewer)

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-05-18/federal-deficit-accounting/55179748/1

The typical American household would have paid nearly all of its income in taxes last year to balance the budget if the government used standard accounting rules to compute the deficit, a USA TODAY analysis finds.

Under those accounting practices, the government ran red ink last year equal to $42,054 per household — nearly four times the official number reported under unique rules set by Congress.

A U.S. household's median income is $49,445, the Census reports.

The big difference between the official deficit and standard accounting: Congress exempts itself from including the cost of promised retirement benefits. Yet companies, states and local governments must include retirement commitments in financial statements, as required by federal law and private boards that set accounting rules.

The deficit was $5 trillion last year under those rules. The official number was $1.3 trillion. Liabilities for Social Security, Medicare and other retirement programs rose by $3.7 trillion in 2011, according to government actuaries, but the amount was not registered on the government's books.

Deficits are a major issue in this year's presidential campaign, but USA TODAY has calculated federal finances under accounting rules since 2004 and found no correlation between fluctuations in the deficit and which party ran Congress or the White House.

Key findings:

•Social Security had the biggest financial slide. The government would need $22.2 trillion today, set aside and earning interest, to cover benefits promised to current workers and retirees beyond what taxes will cover. That's $9.5 trillion more than was needed in 2004.

•Deficits from 2004 to 2011 would be six times the official total of $5.6 trillion reported.

•Federal debt and retiree commitments equal $561,254 per household. By contrast, an average household owes a combined $116,057 for mortgages, car loans and other debts.

"By law, the federal government can't tell the truth," says accountant Sheila Weinberg of the Chicago-based Institute for Truth in Accounting.

Jim Horney, a former Senate budget staff expert now at the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, says retirement programs should not count as part of the deficit because, unlike a business, Congress can change what it owes by cutting benefits or lifting taxes.

"It's not easy, but it can be done. Retirement programs are not legal obligations," he says.

 
http://www.usatoday....ting/55179748/1

The typical American household would have paid nearly all of its income in taxes last year to balance the budget if the government used standard accounting rules to compute the deficit, a USA TODAY analysis finds.

Under those accounting practices, the government ran red ink last year equal to $42,054 per household — nearly four times the official number reported under unique rules set by Congress.

A U.S. household's median income is $49,445, the Census reports.

The big difference between the official deficit and standard accounting: Congress exempts itself from including the cost of promised retirement benefits. Yet companies, states and local governments must include retirement commitments in financial statements, as required by federal law and private boards that set accounting rules.

The deficit was $5 trillion last year under those rules. The official number was $1.3 trillion. Liabilities for Social Security, Medicare and other retirement programs rose by $3.7 trillion in 2011, according to government actuaries, but the amount was not registered on the government's books.

Deficits are a major issue in this year's presidential campaign, but USA TODAY has calculated federal finances under accounting rules since 2004 and found no correlation between fluctuations in the deficit and which party ran Congress or the White House.

Key findings:

•Social Security had the biggest financial slide. The government would need $22.2 trillion today, set aside and earning interest, to cover benefits promised to current workers and retirees beyond what taxes will cover. That's $9.5 trillion more than was needed in 2004.

•Deficits from 2004 to 2011 would be six times the official total of $5.6 trillion reported.

•Federal debt and retiree commitments equal $561,254 per household. By contrast, an average household owes a combined $116,057 for mortgages, car loans and other debts.

"By law, the federal government can't tell the truth," says accountant Sheila Weinberg of the Chicago-based Institute for Truth in Accounting.

Jim Horney, a former Senate budget staff expert now at the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, says retirement programs should not count as part of the deficit because, unlike a business, Congress can change what it owes by cutting benefits or lifting taxes.

"It's not easy, but it can be done. Retirement programs are not legal obligations," he says.
Social Security is broken? Who knew?
 
someone debunk this....please
The way the Social Security law is written, it cannot pay out in any year more than it collects in payroll taxes. So once the Social Security Trust Fund has been depleted, all payments would be scaled based on collection. If nothing else is done to the program before that happens in 25-30 years, estimates are that it would pay out around 70% of the scheduled benefit. A couple of things - 1) no one really believes this would be allowed to happen. Changes will likely be made to the program to either shore it up ahead of this happening, though some combination of adjusting retirement age, increasing the cap on payroll taxes, and interest calc modifications. 2) There is still the problem that the surplus in Social Security will no longer offset/mask deficits the way it has since the 1980s. So structural changes will be needed on the non-Social Security side of the Fiscal ledger as well.
 
What most young people do not realize is that seniors and baby boomers will be getting more from government than they ever put in. When the #### finally hits the fan, it is the young who will find the millstone around their necks.

 
The big difference between the official deficit and standard accounting: Congress exempts itself from including the cost of promised retirement benefits. Yet companies, states and local governments must include retirement commitments in financial statements, as required by federal law and private boards that set accounting rules.The deficit was $5 trillion last year under those rules. The official number was $1.3 trillion. Liabilities for Social Security, Medicare and other retirement programs rose by $3.7 trillion in 2011, according to government actuaries, but the amount was not registered on the government's books.
Question:

Will we ever balance the budget again for the rest of this country's history?

 
someone debunk this....please
The way the Social Security law is written, it cannot pay out in any year more than it collects in payroll taxes. So once the Social Security Trust Fund has been depleted, all payments would be scaled based on collection. If nothing else is done to the program before that happens in 25-30 years, estimates are that it would pay out around 70% of the scheduled benefit. A couple of things - 1) no one really believes this would be allowed to happen. Changes will likely be made to the program to either shore it up ahead of this happening, though some combination of adjusting retirement age, increasing the cap on payroll taxes, and interest calc modifications. 2) There is still the problem that the surplus in Social Security will no longer offset/mask deficits the way it has since the 1980s. So structural changes will be needed on the non-Social Security side of the Fiscal ledger as well.
So basically it's true unless we do something about it?

 
The big difference between the official deficit and standard accounting: Congress exempts itself from including the cost of promised retirement benefits. Yet companies, states and local governments must include retirement commitments in financial statements, as required by federal law and private boards that set accounting rules.

The deficit was $5 trillion last year under those rules. The official number was $1.3 trillion. Liabilities for Social Security, Medicare and other retirement programs rose by $3.7 trillion in 2011, according to government actuaries, but the amount was not registered on the government's books.
Question:

Will we ever balance the budget again for the rest of this country's history?
If we do, it won't happen while the baby boom generation is still alive. Maybe a few decades after they've died off we could.

 
What most young people do not realize is that seniors and baby boomers will be getting more from government than they ever put in. When the #### finally hits the fan, it is the young who will find the millstone around their necks.
I'm 48 years old. I'm good, right?

 
What most young people do not realize is that seniors and baby boomers will be getting more from government than they ever put in. When the #### finally hits the fan, it is the young who will find the millstone around their necks.
Doesn't everybody get more money than they put in? That's how inflation works and stuff. The problems with the boomers is that there's so many bazillion of them that our level of the ponzi scheme can't support them all.

 
What most young people do not realize is that seniors and baby boomers will be getting more from government than they ever put in. When the #### finally hits the fan, it is the young who will find the millstone around their necks.
I'm 48 years old. I'm good, right?
I'd say you're pretty good. I'm a bit younger than yourself, but I figure we're going to get to feast off of the echo boomers for a few decades no problem. Being in one of the tiny generations makes your social security invincible. We just need to starve the boomers for a couple of decades so we can keep the whole thing intact. If we can get the echo boomers on board, they don't really stand a chance especially when they start dying.

 
The big difference between the official deficit and standard accounting: Congress exempts itself from including the cost of promised retirement benefits. Yet companies, states and local governments must include retirement commitments in financial statements, as required by federal law and private boards that set accounting rules.The deficit was $5 trillion last year under those rules. The official number was $1.3 trillion. Liabilities for Social Security, Medicare and other retirement programs rose by $3.7 trillion in 2011, according to government actuaries, but the amount was not registered on the government's books.
Question:

Will we ever balance the budget again for the rest of this country's history?
Hell no. Who cares anyway. This Ponzi is unstoppable.

 

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