The saga continues in Titans camp..Brown back? (1 Viewer)

[Colin Dowling]

Wyatt ####### dogged the Titans draft, he is just writing to coincide with his earlier reports. There is nothing that Henry could do to impress Wyatt during these practices.

If Henry was impressing the Titans...would they be opening talks with Chris Brown?

Absolutely. The guys on the roster have a total of 97 career touches between the 4 of them. 97. Larry Johnson does that before September's over. Brown knows the team, the system, and should be a reasonably inexpensive considering how much cap room they have left and the options available.

 

[waylander]

Wow. The Titans moves the last couple of seasons have been extremely suspect. I mean the Mcnair situation, drafting guys like White (unmotivated), Henry (good combine numbers, mediocre to bad player), bringing in K. Collins to start the season last year so late into training camp. I do give them credit for drafting V. Young, but some of their other decisions have been a little mind boggling. Why didin't they just pay T. Henry to be their starter for the next couple of seasons? I think if they offered him a fair contract and said you will be our starter they could have had him. I mean the guy is a former probowler and played extremely well for them last year. In fact, he and V. Young were the reasons they did what they did last year.I think for fantasy purposes stay away from this situation unless you can get Brown late and gamble that he will end up getting touches. White, and Henry seemed doomed to fail.

That brings up the whole Billy Volek situation last year (yes, he is on my roster but only until cutdowns) as well. I thought this was VERY poorly handled. Fisher made some half-###ed comments about Volek throwing the team under the bus (practice habits and film study could be inferred, but there was never anything specific cited, as I recall). So you trade a guy (Volek) who had had some success in your system and bring in someone else at the last minute (Collins) and expect to compete? They basically threw the season away right there, and the play of Young and T.Henry (as someone remarked) is what kept them afloat at all... THEN they let T.Henry go! Why??I've always thought Fisher was a good coach, and going into last year I gave him a pass because I felt like he was just doing what he was told while preparing for the end of his contract and a big payday with some other team. But then he signed an extension, and with all the moves (and non-moves) this offseason, and what happened last year with Volek and C.Brown, I've lost a lot of respect for him and wonder how big of a hand he has in this as well.

Don't get it twisted, Volek asked to be traded after we drafted VY. And Fisher's half-assed comments only came after Volek dogged the Titans once he was a bolt. The Collins thing, I think everyone feels that if VY had started from day one, we might have gotten that one extra win and put us into the play-offs, but how could the coaches know that? Honestly, did anyone expect VY to perform that well? Half the people said he would be a horrible NFL qb, and we should just convert his ### to WR.The Travis Henry thing is hard to peg. My thoughts on it are that the Titans couldn't afford any more problems, and if Henry failed a pee test he would be suspended the year, after cashing that 8 million dollar bonus. So the Titans would look willing to invest in guys with character issues. If Pac had never gotten in trouble, I think Henry would still be a Titan, but butween Pac and Haynesworth stomping Gurode, could the Titans really risk paying big money to someone in the substance abuse program, after raising eyebrow for trading a third for him while knowing he was?Furthermore, I think the play of the line, and VY had as much to do as Henry's success as anything, so the FO must be thinking we can get similar production out of a cheaper, drug free back. That remains to be seen, but I can't label the Henry thing as a FO fiasco.I don't think Fisher has done anything for you to feel he is anything but an exceptional coach. They traded a guy who got disgruntled and asked to be traded. He signed what they considered to be the most experienced QB available to start, while VY was groomed. And I doubt he had anything to do with Travis Henry. And he hasn't signed an extension, hopefully that happens soon.

 

[Bevo]

But didn't Henry run a 4.3ish 40?

What does his 40 time have to do with practice? This may come as a shock to a guy who cheers for teams that draft only All-Pro Embryos, but the rest of us lameoids cheer for teams who have players go to practice in hopes of improving.

I think the point was that your squad drafted a guy with almost NO college production in the second round simply because he wowed them at the combine.

Bingo!As a Titan's fan I hope I am wrong and that he works out but I also am still scratching my head over the pick of this workout hero with a college history that was poor to put the absolute best perspective on it.

 

[Bevo]

This is obviously a ploy to motivate LenDale White. No, really....we need to bring the line back this year and replace Tatum with LenDale because it seems to me they are trying to light a fire under the kid.

or maybe they are trying to get a legitimate NFL RB on their roster. How much motivating does this kid need? Does he really need a coach to follow him around and make sure he eats right, works out, comes to practice and works hard? If that's the case his time in the NFL will end once his contract is up.

From all appearances that is exactly what they need to do. Well, except that they may need 2 or 3 coaches to tackle him if their is a buffett within 200 yards.

 

[zed2283]

Wow. The Titans moves the last couple of seasons have been extremely suspect. I mean the Mcnair situation, drafting guys like White (unmotivated), Henry (good combine numbers, mediocre to bad player), bringing in K. Collins to start the season last year so late into training camp. I do give them credit for drafting V. Young, but some of their other decisions have been a little mind boggling. Why didin't they just pay T. Henry to be their starter for the next couple of seasons? I think if they offered him a fair contract and said you will be our starter they could have had him. I mean the guy is a former probowler and played extremely well for them last year. In fact, he and V. Young were the reasons they did what they did last year.I think for fantasy purposes stay away from this situation unless you can get Brown late and gamble that he will end up getting touches. White, and Henry seemed doomed to fail.

That brings up the whole Billy Volek situation last year (yes, he is on my roster but only until cutdowns) as well. I thought this was VERY poorly handled. Fisher made some half-###ed comments about Volek throwing the team under the bus (practice habits and film study could be inferred, but there was never anything specific cited, as I recall). So you trade a guy (Volek) who had had some success in your system and bring in someone else at the last minute (Collins) and expect to compete? They basically threw the season away right there, and the play of Young and T.Henry (as someone remarked) is what kept them afloat at all... THEN they let T.Henry go! Why??I've always thought Fisher was a good coach, and going into last year I gave him a pass because I felt like he was just doing what he was told while preparing for the end of his contract and a big payday with some other team. But then he signed an extension, and with all the moves (and non-moves) this offseason, and what happened last year with Volek and C.Brown, I've lost a lot of respect for him and wonder how big of a hand he has in this as well.

Don't get it twisted, Volek asked to be traded after we drafted VY. And Fisher's half-assed comments only came after Volek dogged the Titans once he was a bolt. The Collins thing, I think everyone feels that if VY had started from day one, we might have gotten that one extra win and put us into the play-offs, but how could the coaches know that? Honestly, did anyone expect VY to perform that well? Half the people said he would be a horrible NFL qb, and we should just convert his ### to WR.The Travis Henry thing is hard to peg. My thoughts on it are that the Titans couldn't afford any more problems, and if Henry failed a pee test he would be suspended the year, after cashing that 8 million dollar bonus. So the Titans would look willing to invest in guys with character issues. If Pac had never gotten in trouble, I think Henry would still be a Titan, but butween Pac and Haynesworth stomping Gurode, could the Titans really risk paying big money to someone in the substance abuse program, after raising eyebrow for trading a third for him while knowing he was?Furthermore, I think the play of the line, and VY had as much to do as Henry's success as anything, so the FO must be thinking we can get similar production out of a cheaper, drug free back. That remains to be seen, but I can't label the Henry thing as a FO fiasco.I don't think Fisher has done anything for you to feel he is anything but an exceptional coach. They traded a guy who got disgruntled and asked to be traded. He signed what they considered to be the most experienced QB available to start, while VY was groomed. And I doubt he had anything to do with Travis Henry. And he hasn't signed an extension, hopefully that happens soon.

Thanks for the educated response. Perhaps I did have things a little backwards.What is your take on the whole C.Brown situation then? Not right now, but last year when they wouldn't let him sniff the field (in exile, as someone said earlier).

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I'd have to think if Brown wasn't willing to sign on as a #2 in some decent destinations, preferring to wait and see what cropped up between now and Training Camp, the Titans won't be very appealing and that he'll continue waiting.

But I really thought Fisher wanted clear of Brown too, so what do I know?

 

[waylander]

Wow. The Titans moves the last couple of seasons have been extremely suspect. I mean the Mcnair situation, drafting guys like White (unmotivated), Henry (good combine numbers, mediocre to bad player), bringing in K. Collins to start the season last year so late into training camp. I do give them credit for drafting V. Young, but some of their other decisions have been a little mind boggling. Why didin't they just pay T. Henry to be their starter for the next couple of seasons? I think if they offered him a fair contract and said you will be our starter they could have had him. I mean the guy is a former probowler and played extremely well for them last year. In fact, he and V. Young were the reasons they did what they did last year.I think for fantasy purposes stay away from this situation unless you can get Brown late and gamble that he will end up getting touches. White, and Henry seemed doomed to fail.

That brings up the whole Billy Volek situation last year (yes, he is on my roster but only until cutdowns) as well. I thought this was VERY poorly handled. Fisher made some half-###ed comments about Volek throwing the team under the bus (practice habits and film study could be inferred, but there was never anything specific cited, as I recall). So you trade a guy (Volek) who had had some success in your system and bring in someone else at the last minute (Collins) and expect to compete? They basically threw the season away right there, and the play of Young and T.Henry (as someone remarked) is what kept them afloat at all... THEN they let T.Henry go! Why??I've always thought Fisher was a good coach, and going into last year I gave him a pass because I felt like he was just doing what he was told while preparing for the end of his contract and a big payday with some other team. But then he signed an extension, and with all the moves (and non-moves) this offseason, and what happened last year with Volek and C.Brown, I've lost a lot of respect for him and wonder how big of a hand he has in this as well.

Don't get it twisted, Volek asked to be traded after we drafted VY. And Fisher's half-assed comments only came after Volek dogged the Titans once he was a bolt. The Collins thing, I think everyone feels that if VY had started from day one, we might have gotten that one extra win and put us into the play-offs, but how could the coaches know that? Honestly, did anyone expect VY to perform that well? Half the people said he would be a horrible NFL qb, and we should just convert his ### to WR.The Travis Henry thing is hard to peg. My thoughts on it are that the Titans couldn't afford any more problems, and if Henry failed a pee test he would be suspended the year, after cashing that 8 million dollar bonus. So the Titans would look willing to invest in guys with character issues. If Pac had never gotten in trouble, I think Henry would still be a Titan, but butween Pac and Haynesworth stomping Gurode, could the Titans really risk paying big money to someone in the substance abuse program, after raising eyebrow for trading a third for him while knowing he was?Furthermore, I think the play of the line, and VY had as much to do as Henry's success as anything, so the FO must be thinking we can get similar production out of a cheaper, drug free back. That remains to be seen, but I can't label the Henry thing as a FO fiasco.I don't think Fisher has done anything for you to feel he is anything but an exceptional coach. They traded a guy who got disgruntled and asked to be traded. He signed what they considered to be the most experienced QB available to start, while VY was groomed. And I doubt he had anything to do with Travis Henry. And he hasn't signed an extension, hopefully that happens soon.

Thanks for the educated response. Perhaps I did have things a little backwards.What is your take on the whole C.Brown situation then? Not right now, but last year when they wouldn't let him sniff the field (in exile, as someone said earlier).

You have to remember, he was the opening day starter, and started the first three games. The truth is, he doesn't get the tough yards. Here is a big back, with break away speed, and I don't think he's converted more than a couple fourth and one's in his career, and we are a team that goes for it way more than the average. The truth is, he played his way into exile. At the beginning of last year, we were trying to be a ball control offense, and CB just isn't that back. Travis Henry is much more suited to sustain drives. Last year CB averaged 4.6 ypc on first down, then down to 2.9 on second down, and down again to 2.0 on third down. We didn't let him try a fourth down conversion last year, and you can see why.So, I think all of that compounded with his inability to stay on the field is the reason he only played in five games. And I think that the Titans didn't see anyone paying Travis Henry that kind of money, so they liked their chances of resigning Henry, which they were wrong about. What they were right about, is they could let Brown test the open market, and see that he has an over inflated sense of self worth, and if he wants to cash any more fat paychecks, he might as well come back to Nashville.Same as Volek, he wanted to be traded, because he wasn't willing to put in the work to keep Young on the bench for a couple seasons, like he was able to do Carr in college. So, he gets to ride a better teams pine, but he's still on the pine.

 

[sho nuff]

Wow. The Titans moves the last couple of seasons have been extremely suspect. I mean the Mcnair situation, drafting guys like White (unmotivated), Henry (good combine numbers, mediocre to bad player), bringing in K. Collins to start the season last year so late into training camp. I do give them credit for drafting V. Young, but some of their other decisions have been a little mind boggling. Why didin't they just pay T. Henry to be their starter for the next couple of seasons? I think if they offered him a fair contract and said you will be our starter they could have had him. I mean the guy is a former probowler and played extremely well for them last year. In fact, he and V. Young were the reasons they did what they did last year.I think for fantasy purposes stay away from this situation unless you can get Brown late and gamble that he will end up getting touches. White, and Henry seemed doomed to fail.

As for Travis Henry...they let him go before paying him the bonus...and he was not worth that bonus being one toke away from a year vacation.

 

[waylander]

I'd have to think if Brown wasn't willing to sign on as a #2 in some decent destinations, preferring to wait and see what cropped up between now and Training Camp, the Titans won't be very appealing and that he'll continue waiting.But I really thought Fisher wanted clear of Brown too, so what do I know?

Fisher, along with most Titans fans, are just tired of seeing Brown, and all his potential, limp off the field. The man can run wild for two quarters, take what seems to be a hit you expect running backs to take day in and day out, and he is just all kinds of ####ed up for the next two games.

 

[Buckna]

Wow. The Titans moves the last couple of seasons have been extremely suspect. I mean the Mcnair situation, drafting guys like White (unmotivated), Henry (good combine numbers, mediocre to bad player), bringing in K. Collins to start the season last year so late into training camp. I do give them credit for drafting V. Young, but some of their other decisions have been a little mind boggling. Why didin't they just pay T. Henry to be their starter for the next couple of seasons? I think if they offered him a fair contract and said you will be our starter they could have had him. I mean the guy is a former probowler and played extremely well for them last year. In fact, he and V. Young were the reasons they did what they did last year.I think for fantasy purposes stay away from this situation unless you can get Brown late and gamble that he will end up getting touches. White, and Henry seemed doomed to fail.

As for Travis Henry...they let him go before paying him the bonus...and he was not worth that bonus being one toke away from a year vacation.

I keep finding this hilarious every time someone says it. 1st, Henry will be out of the league substance abuse program a month into the season and gets a clean slate. 2nd, it literally took 3 whole days after being cut before Denver paid him 150% of that roster bonus and snatched him up before other teams could. Tennessee obviously thought Henry wasn't worth 8M, the free market said he more than was.We'll find out which team was right at the end of the season.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Wow. The Titans moves the last couple of seasons have been extremely suspect. I mean the Mcnair situation, drafting guys like White (unmotivated), Henry (good combine numbers, mediocre to bad player), bringing in K. Collins to start the season last year so late into training camp. I do give them credit for drafting V. Young, but some of their other decisions have been a little mind boggling. Why didin't they just pay T. Henry to be their starter for the next couple of seasons? I think if they offered him a fair contract and said you will be our starter they could have had him. I mean the guy is a former probowler and played extremely well for them last year. In fact, he and V. Young were the reasons they did what they did last year.I think for fantasy purposes stay away from this situation unless you can get Brown late and gamble that he will end up getting touches. White, and Henry seemed doomed to fail.

That brings up the whole Billy Volek situation last year (yes, he is on my roster but only until cutdowns) as well. I thought this was VERY poorly handled. Fisher made some half-###ed comments about Volek throwing the team under the bus (practice habits and film study could be inferred, but there was never anything specific cited, as I recall). So you trade a guy (Volek) who had had some success in your system and bring in someone else at the last minute (Collins) and expect to compete? They basically threw the season away right there, and the play of Young and T.Henry (as someone remarked) is what kept them afloat at all... THEN they let T.Henry go! Why??I've always thought Fisher was a good coach, and going into last year I gave him a pass because I felt like he was just doing what he was told while preparing for the end of his contract and a big payday with some other team. But then he signed an extension, and with all the moves (and non-moves) this offseason, and what happened last year with Volek and C.Brown, I've lost a lot of respect for him and wonder how big of a hand he has in this as well.

Don't get it twisted, Volek asked to be traded after we drafted VY. And Fisher's half-assed comments only came after Volek dogged the Titans once he was a bolt. The Collins thing, I think everyone feels that if VY had started from day one, we might have gotten that one extra win and put us into the play-offs, but how could the coaches know that? Honestly, did anyone expect VY to perform that well? Half the people said he would be a horrible NFL qb, and we should just convert his ### to WR.The Travis Henry thing is hard to peg. My thoughts on it are that the Titans couldn't afford any more problems, and if Henry failed a pee test he would be suspended the year, after cashing that 8 million dollar bonus. So the Titans would look willing to invest in guys with character issues. If Pac had never gotten in trouble, I think Henry would still be a Titan, but butween Pac and Haynesworth stomping Gurode, could the Titans really risk paying big money to someone in the substance abuse program, after raising eyebrow for trading a third for him while knowing he was?Furthermore, I think the play of the line, and VY had as much to do as Henry's success as anything, so the FO must be thinking we can get similar production out of a cheaper, drug free back. That remains to be seen, but I can't label the Henry thing as a FO fiasco.I don't think Fisher has done anything for you to feel he is anything but an exceptional coach. They traded a guy who got disgruntled and asked to be traded. He signed what they considered to be the most experienced QB available to start, while VY was groomed. And I doubt he had anything to do with Travis Henry. And he hasn't signed an extension, hopefully that happens soon.

I disagree, the reason Henry played opposed to White and Brown was because Henry always got extra yards. I remember Fisher pointing it out that Henry always found away to get another yards or two. He actually became harder to take down more and more, while the others did not have as much success with the same OL.As for Fisher, they are almost screwing that up too. They still haven't locked him down and he's the best thing to happen to them in the last decade.They had a very good team several years ago and, yes they have been limited due to the cap. Then have not made any real good draft choices or picks with any real impact other VY.

 

[Bri]

then trade Lendale. If they revert back to Brown and don't move forward, there's no reason for Lendale to be there. Get what you can for him and move on, bad attitudes are contagious.

I'd think that White's trade value is very low considering he's done nothing on the field and his work ethic appears to be on a Mike Williams level. He's probably worth more to them, baggage and all, than a potential 4th/5th round draft pick.

The Titans are pretty young at key positions(if not the team avg) and I wouldn't want the bad attitude or work ethic around that. It's possible that folks were wrong about him and all he's worth is a 4th 5th rounder...I suppose.Conditional trade would probably suit the Titans best.My biggest fear if I were the Titans coach is Ds not respecting the run and hunting Vince at will.

 

[Bri]

My money is on Lendale...There was so much bad blood with the C.Brown situation. I still think a better situation will arise for him than TN. I think he would be in a 3 way rotation here. He might be the most talented but you don't draft 2 rbs in back to back years in the 2ND ROUND and let them sit for a RB that will be gone and more than likely you won't sign to a long term contract...maybe my thinking is off

You do if both those RB's stink and are barely NFL worthy. These are 2nd round picks not top 5 1st round picks so they don't have top money invested in these guys. They will play the best player regardless of where they were drafted.

someone in the scouting dept is surely hearing about it though

 

[Bri]

I think people forget Brown has been a 1000 yard rusher.

yeah, in only 11 games, too.I don't get this. Brown was a stud in 04, the whole team imploded in 05, and he's exiled in 06....now they want him back in 07? WTF?We all know he has injury issues,

that's it right therewill he play this week? coach wonders all season long and what do they do, get a back that is their feature back for 4-6 games a year? Many believe the running game(and stopping it) is so important to success in the playoffs. How could anyone think Brown would still be healthy by the playoffs? Brown would/should be a backup. A quality backup that works hard and can fill in in a pinch and puts some fire into a stagnant offense and.....he's so perfect for that role. Relying on him hasn't proven to be a wise choice

 

[Bevo]

My biggest fear if I were the Titans coach is Ds not respecting the run and hunting Vince at will.

And we have a winner folks. Over the course of the off season the Titans have made it much easier for every D coordinator in the league to focus even more intently on game planning to contain VY.Which other teams in the NFL are in contention with the Titans for having the worst offensive skill position players outside of QB?

 

[-OZ-]

My biggest fear if I were the Titans coach is Ds not respecting the run and hunting Vince at will.

And we have a winner folks. Over the course of the off season the Titans have made it much easier for every D coordinator in the league to focus even more intently on game planning to contain VY.Which other teams in the NFL are in contention with the Titans for having the worst offensive skill position players outside of QB?

Agreed.Lack of a proven WR, RB, and the TEs haven't lived up to their potential yet...Oakland is the only team that comes to mind.Chicago? maybe, although Moose has proven himself, he is aging. If we included QB, this would be closer. Benson has potential, but has looked worse than we may hope.

 

[nygiants56]

I wonder how much team brass regrets not having pulled the trigger for Turner. They certainly had the pick(s) and cap room to get it done.

I still think a deal for Turner gets done despite AJ Smith's comments about him being off the market. When push comes to shove ,there are a few teams desperately seeking RB's , and Tenn tops the list. Something has to give. As for Betts, I'm not sure the Redskins wouldn't just put Portis on the block, instead.

 

[Block]

Corey Dillon anyone? Sure seems like a match made in heaven to me.

 

[zed2283]

Corey Dillon anyone? Sure seems like a match made in heaven to me.

Man, Corey Dillon is D-O-N-E.He may have some skills/value as a goal line guy, but other than that forget it. My grandma can outrun that guy.

 

[BoltBacker]

I wonder how much team brass regrets not having pulled the trigger for Turner. They certainly had the pick(s) and cap room to get it done.

Why should they regret it? When push came to shove, SD was unwilling to part with Turner -- did you read the news?

Um, yes, all 10,000 posts in the thread we had. It seemed like AJ Smith kept upping the ante until the Titans finally backed off. But that's H20 under the bridge now.

Fisher was quoted as saying they could have had Turner for a pick in '07(presumebly a 3rd since that's what AJ had been asking for months prior) and a first in '08.They should have just signed Henry to an extension last year if they weren't willing to give any $/picks to get a RB this offseason. Were they really taken by surprise that both Peterson/Lynch were gone by their pick this year? Seems like poor planning on their part. How they came out of the first and second round of that draft with none of the top WR prospects is still a mystery to me. The skill position players surrounding Vince Young have to be the worst in the NFL.

 

[Traders2001]

So funny . that s their way of admitting they made one of the worst pick in the draft .

If Brown is back he will start he is by far far the best RB on their roster .

 

[BoltBacker]

I wonder how much team brass regrets not having pulled the trigger for Turner. They certainly had the pick(s) and cap room to get it done.

I still think a deal for Turner gets done despite AJ Smith's comments about him being off the market. When push comes to shove ,there are a few teams desperately seeking RB's , and Tenn tops the list. Something has to give.

Disagree.IMO the reason Smith wanted one of the picks this year (1st or 3rd) was because he was going to have to use a first day pick to draft a RB to backup Tomlinson. Right now Sproles would be the backup of anything happened to Tomlinson and in a Turner offense Sproles couldn't hold up to that much work.That ship has sailed.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

I think one thing that hasn't come up at all is Brown's turf toes. From what I've read, that sort of injury can be a chronic problem (i.e. linger for a very long time). Does anyone know, how much (if at all) his production was hurt in '06 as a result? I know he has to miss a lot of games in '05.

I still like Brown as an everydown back, but his toes have be back to normal for that to happen.

 

[zed2283]

I think one thing that hasn't come up at all is Brown's turf toes. From what I've read, that sort of injury can be a chronic problem (i.e. linger for a very long time). Does anyone know, how much (if at all) his production was hurt in '06 as a result? I know he has to miss a lot of games in '05. I still like Brown as an everydown back, but his toes have be back to normal for that to happen.

Crap, he couldn't have gotten any more rest than he did in '06. He ought to be plenty healthy! From what I've read/heard the general consensus is that he's "healthy."

 

[waylander]

In regards to the Michael Turner trade, I know that he was billed at a first and a third, but if I recall, there were plenty of rumors he could be had for a 2nd. I believe that's what TN was hoping for, and bargaining with. It's all speculation though, I wasn't privy to any of the two clubs conversations. I did want Turner, but didn't feel he was worth a first and a third.