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Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
This.
http://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5/
Wizard of Odds does the best job I've seen of breaking down house edges in all casino games. He suggests optimal play for all games based solely on the math. He also has a decent craps practice game.
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
I figure they made their money back on the Fire bet that night. I imagine everyone threw money on it like champs the rest of the night.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Someone explain to me how the fire bet works for craps. Simple laymens terms for this idiot please.
And yeah, I figured out why the crapless craps is dumb.
I think Baccarat attracts the big betters because of the very low house edge. The betting non Asians that is. PLus all the Asians.
................just read up on the fire bet. Seem interesting. Is there even a way to calculate the house edge on that?
And yeah, I figured out why the crapless craps is dumb.
I think Baccarat attracts the big betters because of the very low house edge. The betting non Asians that is. PLus all the Asians.
................just read up on the fire bet. Seem interesting. Is there even a way to calculate the house edge on that?
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Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
Wizard of Odds. I'm telling you, odds for every wager in the house.
http://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5/
Short Corner
Footballguy
Nope. It's impossible. There isn't even a consensus that the house HAS an edge on the fire bet.
3 hour lunch
Footballguy
Just got back from Vegas yesterday. Ended up a little ahead on sports betting, a little down overall. My friends like to play Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, but wow is that an expensive game to play correctly....on a $10 table it's $30 to start (3 different bets), and then an extra $30 or $40 if you like your hand preflop (or less to stay in later on). I played some when we somehow found a $5 table and still lost $100 in 5 hands. One of my friends did win about $2k playing with mostly green chips downtown though; mostly with pounding A high preflop and not making huge hands. A few straights paid well on the 'Trips' bet as well. Seems like a good game for the player, but a big swing game.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I imagine they ran this through a simulator about a trillion times, and even though they can't calculate it exactly, they figured out they have an edge.
Pro dice setters aside of course.
Baccarat players will bet big when they find a pattern on the board. Means nothing, but they swear by that nonsense.beavers said:My partner and went to the casino this past weekend. Normally, we play roulette, but decided to stop by to people watch at the Baccarat table. The table mostly consisted of Asians and they were dropping between 500-1k for each play. We were curious, and asked a guy who had about 4k in chips. He was very excited to teach us the game as he used to play BJack just until a few years ago.Let me just start off by saying I have been to the casino about 100 times and have won money each and every time.....
I didn't see a casino thread anywhere, always some fun stories to go around.
My annual casino trip to either Mountaineer or wherever has gone to about 3-4 times a year since Cleveland got the Horseshoe casino. Always a good time, plus a few nice bars to wander to right in that area. Not totally dead with all 70 year olds like Mountaineer.
In fact, I am making a trip there tonight for a couple hours after the Cavs game. In case any of you are there, I wear a t-shirt with my ghost emblem on it about 350 days a year, this being one of them.
Always fun to see some drug dealers dropping 3 grand a hand on Baccarat. Always fun to see panhandlers outside, then an hour later see them inside buying a 4 dollar beer at the casino bar.
Hope this isn't stepping on more toes of the REAL wagering thread, since casino and sports are nothing alike.
I don't think I will see Chain in here telling me that black is 9-2 vs red on roulette, or that Blackjack hits 10% more often when the weather drops below 40 degrees.
What's ur game of choice? What ya play? Post your winning days or your shameful savings dropping days.
Or just make fun of me for 32 pages.
Any casino idiots like me out there?
As we were watching, he asked us for our chips (we had about $80 in $5 chips). It was a $15 minimum, so he bet all of our chips on the banker + banker Dragon bonus. The cards came out, we lost. He said not to worry, that he got us. He then placed another bet on the banker. A huge bet (maybe $600-$700?). He won. And gave us back $100 in red chips, plus another $100 for our troubles. We stayed and played for about an hour, lost about $100 then left for roulette and won about $150. A cool jesture from a man I now call "the teacher" and my partner and I talked about paying it forward the next time we see someone new at roulette etc.
FWIW, when I got home that evening, I was reading more about baccarat online. One interesting thing I learned (and wondered about) is why the game attracts so many Asians. I read an article that some of them work under the table - cash only jobs - and use their welfare checks to play (since it's essentially free money). I don't know if there is any truth to that ....
ETA: We suspect "the teacher" counted cards. He would bet sporadically and when he did, he would win big. When he didn't win, he would bet lower (i.e. why he took our chips and placed a lower bet followed up by a large bet).
pizzatyme
Footballguy
My story is similar but quicker. About 20 years ago, I'm in the Hacienda casino in Vegas (now where Mandalay Bay sits). I'm there for about 30 minutes doing my low limit gambling when a guy walks up with a $25 chip and bets "midnight" (2 sixes) on the come-out roll. He hits it for $750 and parlays it and hits the damn thing again! Like $22K in 2 effing rolls!!!! Casino immediately offered him a room to which he kindly declined and cashed out.
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Show your workTennessee_ATO said:
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
Currently on a cruise to San Juan - had really good luck in 3 card poker last night and won about $500.
Had no idea how to play/bet - took a break from Black Jack and just stepped into a string of really good hands.
Had no idea how to play/bet - took a break from Black Jack and just stepped into a string of really good hands.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
None of my stories actually happened to me, just what I've observed over the years. About 15 years ago I was staying at the IP (don't judge me) and I walked up to a crowd around the roulette table. Come to see a guy at the end of the table with stacks of green and blacks. He had the whole end of the table full of chips. They had roped off the table and he had a private cocktail server as well. Anyway, we go out for the evening and come back about 6 hours later to find this guy drunk off his ### but now, instead of greens and blacks, he had full stacks of whites and purples ($1000, $500) and not just at the end of the table but his chips consumed the entire player's area all the way around the table.
The crowd was going nuts and this guy was killing it. We watched for a half hour and then took off. I have no idea where he ended but the rumor was he bought in for $100. That would have been fun as hell!
The crowd was going nuts and this guy was killing it. We watched for a half hour and then took off. I have no idea where he ended but the rumor was he bought in for $100. That would have been fun as hell!
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
Tough to find on Strip. There are some decent surveys out there on the innerwebs that are updated pretty regularly. Boycott all 6/5 abominations.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
Been in multi-deck on the Strip for years now. Abomination. They actually tout it as a positive. Continuous shuffle, 6 deck, 6/5 BJ is frigging everywhere.EDIT: You can find 3/2 but generally only at $25 and even then it's iffy. Got to get to $50 for reliably decent rules.
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Peyton Marino
Footballguy
I was in Vegas a couple weeks ago and found 3/2 pretty prevalent on the strip. there was a $5 3/2 at the flamingo (place is a dump but still). also plenty of $15 6 deck 3/2.
i can't find it because i'm at work, but there's a website that will list every BJ game available in vegas with the different rules, location, and house edge given the rules. it's pretty sweet.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So what is the house edge? I was looking at it, just didnt see a house edge. Unless I did look at it and just didnt know what I was looking at.Tennessee_ATO said:
What is the house edge for the fire bet that pays 24-1 for 4, 249-1 for 5, and 999 for 6? ( I think those are the payouts on those)
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
typing the link from my phone, but:
wizardofvegas.com/guides/blackjack-survey/
lists the casino, the different rules and # of decks, and the resulting house edge. all are 3/2 payouts for BJ.
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
Short Corner
Footballguy
That's horrible. What is the HE in 6/5? I know when they come up with new table games they have a "sweet spot". Pontoon is out because the HE is too small. Some table games never make it to the floor because a high HE will fleece the guest too quickly.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
blackjack switch. my buddy was telling me about it. i'm always skeptical of these gimmick games and my buddy is not exactly 'mathematically conscious', but haven't looked into the HE at all. my assumption is it's better to just play regular BJ.
belljr
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
Because it is. But you almost have to throw a buck on it when it's your roll. Because you never know ....
That should be Vegas's new marketing slogan.
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
All other rules remaining the same, it bumps the house by 1.39%. Sounds like just a little. But when the HE on 8 deck, no surrender, dealer stands on soft 17 is just 0.447%, it's a massive change.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
you never know!
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
No casino ever said, "You know, we're making too much on the original version of this game. Let's gin it up a bit and make some flashy alternative that will give us less of a take."
cheese
Footballguy
All they care about is final take though. I play a lot of switch and the amount people misplay it is unbelievable. People constantly do things that make their hands way worse or just don't switch or double right. Those people are giving the 22 push with no trade off. I have no clue if playing switch right is plus even but the reason they do it is because the house edge on playing switch wrong is enormous even compared to playing regular BJ wrong.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Too many switching mistakes by others, but the real HE is the dealer pushes with a 22 and all Blackjacks are paid 1/1. It's a good drinking game IMO as you tend to win one and lose one a lot. The hope is to win your doubling hands. Even when you switch (top cards only) I've found you usually ending winning 1/2 hands.
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
Parmcat
Canada: Beer, Bacon and Beavers
Was at the casino last week. They have a new BJ game called "Free Bet Blackjack" If you are dealt 9//10/11 or a pair, you can split them/double down for free. They throw a gold marker out, and it plays like money.
The dealer wins on 22 though, not push. I imagine the odds here are attrocious
The dealer wins on 22 though, not push. I imagine the odds here are attrocious
Tennessee_ATO
Footballguy
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I have seen lots of big scores, high rollers play after big fight nights, etc but the most surreal thing I've ever seen was on a roulette wheel. It's getting late, I'm getting a bit hammered, and I look up to see - I kid you not - a guy that looked like he jumped right out of the Lucky Charms box. He was wearing a crushed green velvet suit, had the hat on, red hair, whole bit. I did a double take. He promptly starts betting stacks on just green 0 and 00. Hits, lets it ride. Hits it again, takes half back, let's the rest ride again. Same thing - FIVE STRAIGHT HITS. Then he quit. They brought out racks of color I'm not used to seeing. No - I wasn't doing shrooms. Really happened. Mind blowing.
Parmcat
Canada: Beer, Bacon and Beavers
The Ref
Footballguy
Last cruise we were on my wife and I sat down and played 3 card poker. They had this awful 6 card bet where you played your cards and the dealers cards but you had to bet $5. My wife had to talk me into it because I knew the odds were awful. 20 minutes go by and we are treading water and I wake up to A-K-Q. My wife had 2-2-x. Of the other four players at the table three of them have pairs, everyone is playing the 6 card.
Dealer flips over A-A-A.
I got $500 for quads and my wife and 3 others got $250 each for a full house. We also got paid on the pair plus but lost the ante. One of the craziest moments I can remember from a quirky bet perspective.
Dealer flips over A-A-A.
I got $500 for quads and my wife and 3 others got $250 each for a full house. We also got paid on the pair plus but lost the ante. One of the craziest moments I can remember from a quirky bet perspective.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If a butterfly flapped it's wings, none of that would have happened thoughSo you see a Leprechaun walk up to the Roulette wheel and you don't tail his bets???????Judge Smails said:
