The Terrible Truth About Cannabis (1 Viewer)

[sublimeone]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2782906/The-terrible-truth-cannabis-British-expert-s-devastating-20-year-study-finally-demolishes-claims-smoking-pot-harmless.html

 

[Apple Jack]

Study's author said: 'If cannabis is not addictive then neither is heroin'

 

[McGarnicle]

Load of crap.

 

[Apple Jack]

It is often harder to get people who are dependent on cannabis through withdrawal than for heroin

Either somebody is paying him to say things like this, or he is the dumbest addiction specialist on the planet.

 

[NutterButter]

It is often harder to get people who are dependent on cannabis through withdrawal than for heroin

Either somebody is paying him to say things like this, or he is the worst addiction specialist on the planet.

Pick your source of who might be lining his pockets from big alcohol, big pharma or big prison.

 

[Slapdash]

It is often harder to get people who are dependent on cannabis through withdrawal than for heroin

Either somebody is paying him to say things like this, or he is the dumbest addiction specialist on the planet.

It's the DailyMail, what do you expect?

 

[urbanhack]

Thanks?

 

[joffer]

####, you mean weed isn't good for you?

 

[Gr00vus]

I'll kindly await the counterpoint study sponsored by Cheetos and all pizza delivery places everywhere.

 

[NutterButter]

####, you mean weed isn't good for you?

Neither is guacamole

 

[mr roboto]

I've got no real opinion on this and don't care if it's legal or not, but didn't even the proponents of legalization admit that weed is terrible for the developing brain? I thought this was kinda agreed upon.

Maybe this study is a joke but so far the comments in here are dismissive without contributing rebuttal. I'd love to see some of that.

 

[NutterButter]

I've got no real opinion on this and don't care if it's legal or not, but didn't even the proponents of legalization admit that weed is terrible for the developing brain? I thought this was kinda agreed upon.

Maybe this study is a joke but so far the comments in here are dismissive without contributing rebuttal. I'd love to see some of that.

Um, isn't it still illegal for anyone under 21?

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Several of the bullet point conclusions regarded use by adolescents. I'm not sure legalization advocates would disagree that adolescent use is dangerous-though almost certainly less dangerous than adolescent smoking or alcohol use (I'm guessing).

The addiction number he states for adults was 10%. That's pretty close to numbers I've read elsewhere for adult dependence in chronic users (8%).

I'm strongly in favor of legalization but I would never make the argument that,it is "harmless", I'm not sure who is saying that. Like everything else, it's a simple cost-benefit analysis.

I commented several months back in one (or the only one I guess) legalization thread that despite the momentum of legalization efforts I didn't at all think that legalization in even a majority of states was inevitable. It seems the pushback is becoming stronger and stronger-new studies, op-eds from all the addiction specialists, law enforcement which seems -with some exceptions to be fighting legalization.

Hope I'm wrong.

 

[bostonfred]

Maybe this study is a joke but so far the comments in here are dismissive without contributing rebuttal. I'd love to see some of that.

http://youtu.be/pWdd6_ZxX8c

 

[mr roboto]

I've got no real opinion on this and don't care if it's legal or not, but didn't even the proponents of legalization admit that weed is terrible for the developing brain? I thought this was kinda agreed upon.

Maybe this study is a joke but so far the comments in here are dismissive without contributing rebuttal. I'd love to see some of that.

Um, isn't it still illegal for anyone under 21?

I know. See the post 2 above this one. Many of the conclusions were specifically about adolescents.

 

[Apple Jack]

I've got no real opinion on this and don't care if it's legal or not, but didn't even the proponents of legalization admit that weed is terrible for the developing brain? I thought this was kinda agreed upon.

Maybe this study is a joke but so far the comments in here are dismissive without contributing rebuttal. I'd love to see some of that.

Um, isn't it still illegal for anyone under 21?

I know. See the post right above this one. Many of the conclusions were specifically about adolescents.

Doesn't matter. They flush any credibility the study might have had with that cannabis/heroin withdrawal comparison. It's almost like he wants people to immediately disregard anything he has to say.

 

[NutterButter]

Several of the bullet point conclusions regarded use by adolescents. I'm not sure legalization advocates would disagree that adolescent use is dangerous-though almost certainly less dangerous than adolescent smoking or alcohol use (I'm guessing).

The addiction number he states for adults was 10%. That's pretty close to numbers I've read elsewhere for adult dependence in chronic users (8%).

I'm strongly in favor of legalization but I would never make the argument that,it is "harmless", I'm not sure who is saying that. Like everything else, it's a simple cost-benefit analysis.

I commented several months back in one (or the only one I guess) legalization thread that despite the momentum of legalization efforts I didn't at all think that legalization in even a majority of states was inevitable. It seems the pushback is becoming stronger and stronger-new studies, op-eds from all the addiction specialists, law enforcement which seems -with some exceptions to be fighting legalization.

Hope I'm wrong.

Not surprised the pushback is becoming stronger. No way all the big players are going down without a fight. We're talking billions of dollars at stake.

 

[snogger]

It is often harder to get people who are dependent on cannabis through withdrawal than for heroin

Either somebody is paying him to say things like this, or he is the dumbest addiction specialist on the planet.

I was the "pot head" in high school.. all knew if you wanted some, talk to me.. I knew where to get it and 90% of the time was already holding.. for about a year I was smoking at least 5 days a week..

At 19 I met my wife who, without knowing that I was still smoking from time to time, told me she'd never be around anyone that smoked weed.. I quit that day and never looked back. Never had any "withdrawals" and don't miss it at all.

 

[NutterButter]

I've got no real opinion on this and don't care if it's legal or not, but didn't even the proponents of legalization admit that weed is terrible for the developing brain? I thought this was kinda agreed upon.

Maybe this study is a joke but so far the comments in here are dismissive without contributing rebuttal. I'd love to see some of that.

Um, isn't it still illegal for anyone under 21?

I know. See the post 2 above this one. Many of the conclusions were specifically about adolescents.

Sorry, not sure what post you're referring too.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

I've got no real opinion on this and don't care if it's legal or not, but didn't even the proponents of legalization admit that weed is terrible for the developing brain? I thought this was kinda agreed upon.

Maybe this study is a joke but so far the comments in here are dismissive without contributing rebuttal. I'd love to see some of that.

Um, isn't it still illegal for anyone under 21?

I know. See the post right above this one. Many of the conclusions were specifically about adolescents.

Doesn't matter. They flush any credibility the study might have had with that cannabis/heroin withdrawal comparison. It's almost like he wants people to immediately disregard anything he has to say.

I don't think he was comparing the symptoms of the respective withdrawals. His point was that despite how difficult heroin withdrawal is, at least they have an understanding of the course of treatment. He is saying that they don't know how, or haven't been successful, in treating the symptoms of marijuana withdrawal experienced by chronic users who stop using.

 

[Tom Servo]

It sure doesn't take much for the potheads in here to get butthurt.

 

[sublimeone]

It is often harder to get people who are dependent on cannabis through withdrawal than for heroin

Either somebody is paying him to say things like this, or he is the dumbest addiction specialist on the planet.

I was the "pot head" in high school.. all knew if you wanted some, talk to me.. I knew where to get it and 90% of the time was already holding.. for about a year I was smoking at least 5 days a week..

At 19 I met my wife who, without knowing that I was still smoking from time to time, told me she'd never be around anyone that smoked weed.. I quit that day and never looked back. Never had any "withdrawals" and don't miss it at all.

Yeah... But aren't you like 70?

 

[snogger]

It is often harder to get people who are dependent on cannabis through withdrawal than for heroin

Either somebody is paying him to say things like this, or he is the dumbest addiction specialist on the planet.

I was the "pot head" in high school.. all knew if you wanted some, talk to me.. I knew where to get it and 90% of the time was already holding.. for about a year I was smoking at least 5 days a week..

At 19 I met my wife who, without knowing that I was still smoking from time to time, told me she'd never be around anyone that smoked weed.. I quit that day and never looked back. Never had any "withdrawals" and don't miss it at all.

Yeah... But aren't you like 70?

I'm only 46

 

[NutterButter]

It sure doesn't take much for the potheads in here to get butthurt.

Its all the paranoia we've developed from the weed man

 

[dozer]

Weed is awesome.

 

[Apple Jack]

Weed is awesome.

As are grown men who say things like "butthurt."

 

[Tom Servo]

It sure doesn't take much for the potheads in here to get butthurt.

Its all the paranoia we've developed from the weed man

Well, have a Ho Ho and carry on then...

 

[snogger]

It sure doesn't take much for the potheads in here to get butthurt.

Its all the paranoia we've developed from the weed man

Paranoia was never anything I felt when I was smoking.. now LSD on the other hand

 

[NutterButter]

It sure doesn't take much for the potheads in here to get butthurt.

Its all the paranoia we've developed from the weed man

Well, have a Ho Ho and carry on then...

As far as I'm concerned, the only downside of weed is the munchies. We find a cure for those and we're golden.

 

[NutterButter]

It sure doesn't take much for the potheads in here to get butthurt.

Its all the paranoia we've developed from the weed man

Paranoia was never anything I felt when I was smoking.. now LSD on the other hand

Me neither. Wait. Did I just say I suffered from paranoia? I don't know what's going on with my short term memory.

 

[Koya]

The only terrible truth is that I am almost out.

:stonedbanana: <-------- This used to be a thing, fwiw.

 

[Slapdash]

Wait, what were we talking about?

 

[johnnycakes]

A key figure has been David Nutt, who was chairman of the Home Office Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, until sacked for his campaigning five years ago.

 

[Mister Martie]

It is often harder to get people who are dependent on cannabis through withdrawal than for heroin

Either somebody is paying him to say things like this, or he is the dumbest addiction specialist on the planet.

Yeah, that is a completely embarrassing statement.

 

[mr roboto]

I've got no real opinion on this and don't care if it's legal or not, but didn't even the proponents of legalization admit that weed is terrible for the developing brain? I thought this was kinda agreed upon.

Maybe this study is a joke but so far the comments in here are dismissive without contributing rebuttal. I'd love to see some of that.

Um, isn't it still illegal for anyone under 21?

I know. See the post 2 above this one. Many of the conclusions were specifically about adolescents.

Sorry, not sure what post you're referring too.

Gandalf made the point I was trying to make - that this study and its conclusions seem to focus on teens. Which I thought was kinda well known. You know vs. the OMGZ OUTRAGE!!!! posts in here. IOW both sides kinda agree with many of those points.

 

[dozer]

I've got no real opinion on this and don't care if it's legal or not, but didn't even the proponents of legalization admit that weed is terrible for the developing brain? I thought this was kinda agreed upon.

Maybe this study is a joke but so far the comments in here are dismissive without contributing rebuttal. I'd love to see some of that.

Um, isn't it still illegal for anyone under 21?

I know. See the post 2 above this one. Many of the conclusions were specifically about adolescents.

Sorry, not sure what post you're referring too.

Gandalf made the point I was trying to make - that this study and its conclusions seem to focus on teens. Which I thought was kinda well known. You know vs. the OMGZ OUTRAGE!!!! posts in here.IOW both sides kinda agree with many of those points.

Link?

 

[mr roboto]

I've got no real opinion on this and don't care if it's legal or not, but didn't even the proponents of legalization admit that weed is terrible for the developing brain? I thought this was kinda agreed upon.

Maybe this study is a joke but so far the comments in here are dismissive without contributing rebuttal. I'd love to see some of that.

Um, isn't it still illegal for anyone under 21?

I know. See the post 2 above this one. Many of the conclusions were specifically about adolescents.

Sorry, not sure what post you're referring too.

Gandalf made the point I was trying to make - that this study and its conclusions seem to focus on teens. Which I thought was kinda well known. You know vs. the OMGZ OUTRAGE!!!! posts in here.IOW both sides kinda agree with many of those points.

Link?

Ok. I'm done. Read the first few posts. Everyone seemed to call the study into question. No substance though. They clearly didn't even really read the article or they would have seen the points were largely about developing brains.I don't care but people in here clearly do. Sorry to question the prevailing winds.

Could someone clearly link to refutations of these findings instead of just flippantly casting dispersions? I'd sincerely like to know.

 

[loser]

Several of the bullet point conclusions regarded use by adolescents. I'm not sure legalization advocates would disagree that adolescent use is dangerous-though almost certainly less dangerous than adolescent smoking or alcohol use (I'm guessing).

The addiction number he states for adults was 10%. That's pretty close to numbers I've read elsewhere for adult dependence in chronic users (8%).

I'm strongly in favor of legalization but I would never make the argument that,it is "harmless", I'm not sure who is saying that. Like everything else, it's a simple cost-benefit analysis.

I commented several months back in one (or the only one I guess) legalization thread that despite the momentum of legalization efforts I didn't at all think that legalization in even a majority of states was inevitable. It seems the pushback is becoming stronger and stronger-new studies, op-eds from all the addiction specialists, law enforcement which seems -with some exceptions to be fighting legalization.

Hope I'm wrong.

That's a bong, not a microphone, guy.

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

Several of the bullet point conclusions regarded use by adolescents. I'm not sure legalization advocates would disagree that adolescent use is dangerous-though almost certainly less dangerous than adolescent smoking or alcohol use (I'm guessing).

The addiction number he states for adults was 10%. That's pretty close to numbers I've read elsewhere for adult dependence in chronic users (8%).

I'm strongly in favor of legalization but I would never make the argument that,it is "harmless", I'm not sure who is saying that. Like everything else, it's a simple cost-benefit analysis.

I commented several months back in one (or the only one I guess) legalization thread that despite the momentum of legalization efforts I didn't at all think that legalization in even a majority of states was inevitable. It seems the pushback is becoming stronger and stronger-new studies, op-eds from all the addiction specialists, law enforcement which seems -with some exceptions to be fighting legalization.

Hope I'm wrong.

That's a bong, not a microphone, guy.

I don't get it?

 

[Slapdash]

Several of the bullet point conclusions regarded use by adolescents. I'm not sure legalization advocates would disagree that adolescent use is dangerous-though almost certainly less dangerous than adolescent smoking or alcohol use (I'm guessing).

The addiction number he states for adults was 10%. That's pretty close to numbers I've read elsewhere for adult dependence in chronic users (8%).

I'm strongly in favor of legalization but I would never make the argument that,it is "harmless", I'm not sure who is saying that. Like everything else, it's a simple cost-benefit analysis.

I commented several months back in one (or the only one I guess) legalization thread that despite the momentum of legalization efforts I didn't at all think that legalization in even a majority of states was inevitable. It seems the pushback is becoming stronger and stronger-new studies, op-eds from all the addiction specialists, law enforcement which seems -with some exceptions to be fighting legalization.

Hope I'm wrong.

That's a bong, not a microphone, guy.

my link

 

[mr roboto]

http://m.livescience.com/48171-marijuana-research-health-effects-review.html

Different article about same study and a bit easier to read.

 

[dozer]

I've got no real opinion on this and don't care if it's legal or not, but didn't even the proponents of legalization admit that weed is terrible for the developing brain? I thought this was kinda agreed upon.

Maybe this study is a joke but so far the comments in here are dismissive without contributing rebuttal. I'd love to see some of that.

Um, isn't it still illegal for anyone under 21?

I know. See the post 2 above this one. Many of the conclusions were specifically about adolescents.

Sorry, not sure what post you're referring too.

Gandalf made the point I was trying to make - that this study and its conclusions seem to focus on teens. Which I thought was kinda well known. You know vs. the OMGZ OUTRAGE!!!! posts in here.IOW both sides kinda agree with many of those points.

Link?

Ok. I'm done. Read the first few posts. Everyone seemed to call the study into question. No substance though. They clearly didn't even really read the article or they would have seen the points were largely about developing brains.I don't care but people in here clearly do. Sorry to question the prevailing winds.

Could someone clearly link to refutations of these findings instead of just flippantly casting dispersions? I'd sincerely like to know.

Oh, theres substance alright.

 

[meatwad1]

It is often harder to get people who are dependent on cannabis through withdrawal than for heroin

Either somebody is paying him to say things like this, or he is the dumbest addiction specialist on the planet.

It is not often that I agree with Apple Jack, but this is very true. I am sure there certainly some sort of behavioral addiction with cannabis exists, but that is not anything similar to the physical dependence of being on heroin or even cocaine or even any type of anti depressant that your body adjusts to having. .

 

[meatwad1]

AS far as adolescent use goes, of course it damages their brain; so does overuse of anything including amphetamines or many other drugs that we pump our kids with on a regular basis. Not a valid reason for weed not being legal in my opinion. I will actually watch my teenage kid. Lord help them if they ever bring weed into the house because I will be taking that sweet ganja from them so quick that they will be developing paranoid fits thinking that they are misplacing their weed!

 

[ghostguy123]

I've got no real opinion on this and don't care if it's legal or not, but didn't even the proponents of legalization admit that weed is terrible for the developing brain? I thought this was kinda agreed upon.

Maybe this study is a joke but so far the comments in here are dismissive without contributing rebuttal. I'd love to see some of that.

It is.........which is why it needs an age limit..........just like alcohol

 

[ghostguy123]

AS far as adolescent use goes, of course it damages their brain; so does overuse of anything including amphetamines or many other drugs that we pump our kids with on a regular basis. Not a valid reason for weed not being legal in my opinion. I will actually watch my teenage kid. Lord help them if they ever bring weed into the house because I will be taking that sweet ganja from them so quick that they will be developing paranoid fits thinking that they are misplacing their weed!

Maybe the biggest reason is that legal or not, the kids smoking it will be smoking it anyway.

This has to at least be a PARTIAL factor.

Of course we dont want kids smoking up, but being illegal sure as #### isnt stopping them now.

If anything the weed they get might actually be safer rather then smoking ":wet" and the crappy pot they get laced with all kinds of trash these days.

For adults?? Weed being illegal is a total joke

 

[sublimeone]

AS far as adolescent use goes, of course it damages their brain; so does overuse of anything including amphetamines or many other drugs that we pump our kids with on a regular basis. Not a valid reason for weed not being legal in my opinion. I will actually watch my teenage kid. Lord help them if they ever bring weed into the house because I will be taking that sweet ganja from them so quick that they will be developing paranoid fits thinking that they are misplacing their weed!

Maybe the biggest reason is that legal or not, the kids smoking it will be smoking it anyway.

This has to at least be a PARTIAL factor.

Of course we dont want kids smoking up, but being illegal sure as #### isnt stopping them now.

If anything the weed they get might actually be safer rather then smoking ":wet" and the crappy pot they get laced with all kinds of trash these days.

For adults?? Weed being illegal is a total joke

What is pot getting laced with these days?

 

[meatwad1]

AS far as adolescent use goes, of course it damages their brain; so does overuse of anything including amphetamines or many other drugs that we pump our kids with on a regular basis. Not a valid reason for weed not being legal in my opinion. I will actually watch my teenage kid. Lord help them if they ever bring weed into the house because I will be taking that sweet ganja from them so quick that they will be developing paranoid fits thinking that they are misplacing their weed!

Maybe the biggest reason is that legal or not, the kids smoking it will be smoking it anyway.

This has to at least be a PARTIAL factor.

Of course we dont want kids smoking up, but being illegal sure as #### isnt stopping them now.

If anything the weed they get might actually be safer rather then smoking ":wet" and the crappy pot they get laced with all kinds of trash these days.

For adults?? Weed being illegal is a total joke

What is pot getting laced with these days?

I am hoping it is clean. I just re-watched the ASIP where they go to Jersey Shore and Dennis and sweet Dee smoke the angel dust that they assume is going to be the pot...classic tv at its finest!