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The Weight Gain or Weight Loss Thread For Players (1 Viewer)

DawnBTVS

DawnBTVS

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See Post #43 for 2011 List thus far.

Thought this would be a good idea for a post as many FF players are looking for any edge. One thing I've noticed that seems to be underutilized is when a player gains or loses weight during the offseason to improve their overall power or speed/explosion in general. I was looking at past articles and noticed for example RB Clinton Portis went up to 210 in 2003 to adjust for the anticipated heavy workload. In only 13 starts he had 328 touches (roughly 25 a game).

RB Adrian Peterson: As of May 31st he was at 216 lbs but cut some body fat and gained 6 pounds of muscle. Could mean he breaks more tackles during the season and can take more of a pounding.

RB Pierre Thomas: His weight seems to be around 230 right now, up from roughly 225 last year according to Sean Payton. Could increase his durability and ability to take a pounding as the season goes on.

RB Ronnie Brown: Has gained some muscle and cut some fat with his goal to get down to 8 or 9%. "I feel faster, stronger, and obviously it's a big difference between last season, when I was coming off the injury, and going through a whole season, getting confidence in the leg." Could increase his durability and ability to take punishment as the season goes on.

RB Steve Slaton: Has gained 10 pounds and is up around 215.

RB Marshawn Lynch: Has bulked up to 230 and added about 15 pounds. "Lynch also thinks the extra weight in spring may simply help him to maintain his good playing weight during the season."

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2010 NFL Season (I'll update the first post with additions)

I figured it'd be an interesting idea to try this out for the upcoming 2010 Season as well to try and get more data. Feel free to bump this thread with new updates.

QB Sam Bradford (St. Louis): Down to 228 from 236. http://www.globe-democrat.com/news/2010/ma...s-first-string/

RB Glen Coffee (San Francisco): Up to 218 with goal of 220. http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers...-pushing-h.html

Currently at 220 with plans to get up to 225 pounds. http://twitter.com/MaioccoCSN/status/14182242598

RB Michael Turner (Atlanta): Down to 244 from 260. http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/archive/32991/

RB Steve Slaton (Houston): Down to 200 from 215. http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&c...-player_news%2F

RB Chris "Beanie" Wells (Arizona): Down to 228 with goal of 224. http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/77823

RB LeSean McCoy (Philadelphia): Down to 211 from 217. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/387055-...uild-up-stamina

RB LenDale White (Seattle): Down to 220 or 225 from 250. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...m55PTAD9FDU5V81

WR Andre Caldwell (Cincinnati): Down to 194. http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Cald...04-b939af544044

WR Percy Harvin (Minnesota): Up to 207 with aim to play around 200. http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/...s/90542369.html

WR Mike Williams (Seattle): Down to 235 from 270. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seah..._hill_excu.html

G David Joseph (Tampa Bay): Up to 316 from 305 last year. Goal to get down to 308.

G Max Jean-Gilles (Philadelphia): Goal to get down to 330 from 385 last year. http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/sports/...07a0de0f4f.html

G Max Jean-Gilles (Philadelphia): Goal to get down to 330 from 385 last year. http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/sports/...07a0de0f4f.html

T Alex Boone (San Francisco): Up to 325. http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/0...-beginning.html

T Donald Penn (Tampa Bay): Down to 335 from 370. http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

Here it says he's at 325 down from 365 last year. http://www.pewterreport.com/articles/view/7030

T Langston Walker (Oakland): Slimmed down to 365. http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-05-02/spor...ohn-s-disease/2http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-05-02/spor...ohn-s-disease/2

 
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I don't know that it's underutilized because I don't know that it really means anything.

Is Minny timing ADP in a 40 this summer to see if he's lost speed due to the weight gain? Is there any actual testing that goes on to determine if these types of changes actually make a difference?

If you lose fat and add muscle, it's not a bad thing. But trying to lower weight or add weight thinking that the number on the scale is going to make you more injury resistant is fallacious reasoning IMHO.

I think running style and genetics has a lot more to do with how much pounding a RB can take than does how his weight fluctuates in the offseason.

I might buy it if someone ever explains to me how how 5 pounds added over your 225 body mechanically protects you from injury?

 
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I know it's taboo, but I like to look for players(mostly RB's) that may have added an extra supplement or "vitamin" to their work-out program over the winter. It's borderline obvious if you attend a team's training camp year after year, but like the previous poster said, the effect of weight/muscle gain may not mean much.

Good idea for a thread, by the way...but it's probably too early to tell.

 
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JamesTheScot said:
I don't know that it's underutilized because I don't know that it really means anything.Is Minny timing ADP in a 40 this summer to see if he's lost speed due to the weight gain? Is there any actual testing that goes on to determine if these types of changes actually make a difference?If you lose fat and add muscle, it's not a bad thing. But trying to lower weight or add weight thinking that the number on the scale is going to make you more injury resistant is fallacious reasoning IMHO.I think running style and genetics has a lot more to do with how much pounding a RB can take than does how his weight fluctuates in the offseason.I might buy it if someone ever explains to me how how 5 pounds added over your 225 body mechanically protects you from injury?
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I don't know if it means anything either but I was just curious if maybe we could get some empirical data to see if there is an effect or not. As far as Minnesota, I'm fairly certain that all teams time their players in the 40 yard dash (or other tests) in general over the offseason regardless of weight gain but they don't release that information to the media.I'll agree that running style/genetics matter more in regards to injury but I think that additional weight may mean better endurance in terms of staying more fresh by the end of the year as most players tend to lose weight during a season (An article I found said LT2 went from 223 down to 215 one year by season's end). Part of the thread's intent was also to see which players are trying to make an effort to improve themselves in the offseason, such as the above post on Steve Slaton gaining 10 pounds and admitting it was largely due to the wear and tear by season's end.
 
Some IDP players included...

RB Marion Barber III: Down a bit from 225. "But one team official said he actually has lost a few pounds off his listed 225, despite the additional muscle mass." - http://phi.scout.com/a.z?s=67&p=2&c=873256

RB Jacob Hester: Up to 240 from 225. "It's a tough balance, trying to find that ideal weight where you can be versatile and effective, but I feel like we got it done." - http://louisianastate.scout.com/a.z?s=107&...=2&c=873588

OG Davin Joseph: Down to 305 from 320. - http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bu...icle1010010.ece

OT Duane Brown: Down to 312. - http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/04/2...ns-learned-from

DE Jimmy Wilkerson: Down to 265 from 290. "But he added muscle and strength and improved his quickness." - http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/jun/19/19...er/sports-bucs/

DE Ikaika Alama-Francis: Up to 290 from 275. - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/201036-...time-to-get-big

DT Chris Hovan: Up to 310 from 295. - http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bu...icle1010010.ece

S Kenny Phillips: Up to 217 from 202. - http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/06...ty_kenny_p.html

 
Kool-Aid Larry said:
http://data.tennessean.com/v2/bin/pluckToo....tennessean.com

During a stretching period before Friday’s minicamp practice, running back LenDale White played a guessing game with members of the media. The topic: his weight.

“How much do I weigh?’’ he asked reporters within earshot.

I guessed “234”. He said I was right.

(down from 260+?)
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his ideal weight was once said to be in the 230-240 range.I understand ideal weight and lendale have become a bit curious terms to put together, just saying.

As someone else said-he's looking like he's ready to earn some money in a cotnract year.

 
WR Roy Williams (Dallas): Goal is to get down to 212 from 220. "The goal for Williams (6-3, 220) is to slim down to 212 pounds, which is what he weighed during his Pro Bowl season in Detroit." - http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives...ally-finds.html

220 always seemed a little big for Williams' height. It doesn't surprise me that his ideal weight may be more to the lower 210's than above. Worth noting is that he had a career high 16.0 yard per catch when he supposedly weighed 212 in 2006.

 
RB Steven Jackson, STL- Well, not really a weight gain, but he's worked this offseason to increase his body fat percentage. The concern was that because S-Jax is so lean, he's more prone to injury.

I know it sounds backwards, but that's what the Rams wanted.

 
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Pretty easy for guys to gain muscle in the summer if they aren't running. After August, and certainly later in the year, these gains are often gone. No harm in discussing it tho.

 
Packers | Rodgers looking to shed a few pounds

Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:01:43 -0700

Lori Nickel, of The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers plans to work out at his home in San Diego when the team's minicamp concludes. He is listed at 220 pounds, but head coach Mike McCarthy has been on Rodgers to maintain a certain weight. It appears Rodgers is up a little, as he said he would like to shed a few pounds in the coming weeks.

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Rogers must be eating to many cheese curds :thumbdown:

 
I can't provide empirical evidence, but it is a well-known fact among athletic trainers that proper training to increase muscle mass and flexibility in the core areas of your body (thighs to shoulders) does the following:

1. Increases your explosiveness.

2. Increases your strength.

3. Lowers your risk for injury.

An oft-mentioned contact of mine who was an athletic trainer for the Angels and now the Bulldogs football team who was a former FS (reserve) at FSU and had a close family member who was a prominent NFL coach and scout in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, talked about core training with me a fair bit (he was my athletic trainer for 6 months - he worked at a gym to help put him through grad school a UGA). He mentioned that the UGA football team had a rash of injuries before he arrived due to the fact they weren't focusing on certain workout regimens that were core focused. They had like 25 players who missed time due to the same injury. He instituted some workouts focused on developing this region of the core in the off season and the next year they had zero injuries during the season. However, I wonder how many of these guys consulted their trainers on the team before they decided to add weight/muscle...

I would believe these trainers have a lot of data that supports this kind of anecdotal info. At the same time, I'm sure JamestheScott is on to something when he broached the idea that RBs can have a higher rate of injury due to the nature of their position and their technique.

 
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DawnBTVS said:
JamesTheScot said:
I don't know that it's underutilized because I don't know that it really means anything.Is Minny timing ADP in a 40 this summer to see if he's lost speed due to the weight gain? Is there any actual testing that goes on to determine if these types of changes actually make a difference?If you lose fat and add muscle, it's not a bad thing. But trying to lower weight or add weight thinking that the number on the scale is going to make you more injury resistant is fallacious reasoning IMHO.I think running style and genetics has a lot more to do with how much pounding a RB can take than does how his weight fluctuates in the offseason.I might buy it if someone ever explains to me how how 5 pounds added over your 225 body mechanically protects you from injury?
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I don't know if it means anything either but I was just curious if maybe we could get some empirical data to see if there is an effect or not. As far as Minnesota, I'm fairly certain that all teams time their players in the 40 yard dash (or other tests) in general over the offseason regardless of weight gain but they don't release that information to the media.I'll agree that running style/genetics matter more in regards to injury but I think that additional weight may mean better endurance in terms of staying more fresh by the end of the year as most players tend to lose weight during a season (An article I found said LT2 went from 223 down to 215 one year by season's end). Part of the thread's intent was also to see which players are trying to make an effort to improve themselves in the offseason, such as the above post on Steve Slaton gaining 10 pounds and admitting it was largely due to the wear and tear by season's end.
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I'm sorry if I came off as "why bother", I am all in favor of tying to track it and determine if there is a correlation. The thread will be good "bump" material as the season unfolds. I was just stating my hypothethis...that modest weight gain/loss doesn't make a difference...at least in terms of health and injury resistance. Didn't mean to sound like I was calling you out or anthing.I think it might be helpful to divide the players by position and then into "added" and "lost" groupings.We have to have some sports fitness/ntritionist types on these boards. It' would be nice to hear from them what the conventional wisdom is within the field.
 
MrPhoenix said:
RB Steven Jackson, STL- Well, not really a weight gain, but he's worked this offseason to increase his body fat percentage. The concern was that because S-Jax is so lean, he's more prone to injury.

I know it sounds backwards, but that's what the Rams wanted.
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I had heard something similar, that because muscle can tear and bruise, a lack of body fat at the surface can actually increases the opportunity for bruising. That may have been in the context of boxing and martial arts.I'd also say that if a player loses weight during the season and suffers a performance decline, it's because his body is burning more calories than it is taking in and he is cannibalizing his own muscle tissue to make up the calorie deficit.

Seeing as how bodybuilders must yo-yo their diet to insane degrees to alternate between adding muscle mass and cutting body fat, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see NFL players unable to maintain that level of weight micro-management during a season. It might mean that they need a little more body fat to start the season so that they aren't depleted and burning muscle mass by season's end.

 
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Matt Waldman said:
I can't provide empirical evidence, but it is a well-known fact among athletic trainers that proper training to increase muscle mass and flexibility in the core areas of your body (thighs to shoulders) does the following:1. Increases your explosiveness.2. Increases your strength.3. Lowers your risk for injury. An oft-mentioned contact of mine who was an athletic trainer for the Angels and now the Bulldogs football team who was a former FS (reserve) at FSU and had a close family member who was a prominent NFL coach and scout in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, talked about core training with me a fair bit (he was my athletic trainer for 6 months - he worked at a gym to help put him through grad school a UGA). He mentioned that the UGA football team had a rash of injuries before he arrived due to the fact they weren't focusing on certain workout regimens that were core focused. They had like 25 players who missed time due to the same injury. He instituted some workouts focused on developing this region of the core in the off season and the next year they had zero injuries during the season. However, I wonder how many of these guys consulted their trainers on the team before they decided to add weight/muscle...I would believe these trainers have a lot of data that supports this kind of anecdotal info. At the same time, I'm sure JamestheScott is on to something when he broached the idea that RBs can have a higher rate of injury due to the nature of their position and their technique.
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Let me clarify to say that I am 100% convinced that strength and flexibility gains in a particular joint will decrease the liklihood of injury to that joint. But to what extent I am unsure. And I am a believer in core strength training.What I am skeptical about is that adding 5-10 pounds of weight, even as muscle only, decreases injury risk or increases endurance. If I heard that LT had undergone an intensive conditioning program to increase stength and flexibility in his knees, and because he added some muscle in that process, his weight went up 5 pounds, I'd buy into that. But when a RB says he decided to "bulk up" over the offseason so he can take the hits better, I'm not bumping him up my charts one bit. In other words, I think weight gain can be the side effect of the panacea, but is too often mistaken to be the panacea itself."I'm in the best shape of my life" is the cliche we always here after an injury plagued year. How often does that one bear out?
 
From Pro Football Weekly's Whispers Section...

"We hear Cardinals first-round rookie RB Chris "Beanie" Wells has dropped 18 pounds — from 247 to 229 — since he began working out under the direction of strength and conditioning coach John Lott."

 
"Fitness report

The offseason bulk award goes to second-year running back Ray Rice. The added bulk is definitely noticeable across his chest and lower body. Rice seems to be having a lot of fun at practice and looks more comfortable as a receiver out of the backfield.

On the other side is fullback-halfback Le'Ron McClain, who looks about 20 pounds over his playing weight. This might be a problem if he doesn't get in better condition when training camp starts."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/...,6730907.column

 
DawnBTVS said:
From Pro Football Weekly's Whispers Section...

"We hear Cardinals first-round rookie RB Chris "Beanie" Wells has dropped 18 pounds — from 247 to 229 — since he began working out under the direction of strength and conditioning coach John Lott."
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He was 235 at the combine.
 
wdcrob said:
DawnBTVS said:
From Pro Football Weekly's Whispers Section...

"We hear Cardinals first-round rookie RB Chris "Beanie" Wells has dropped 18 pounds — from 247 to 229 — since he began working out under the direction of strength and conditioning coach John Lott."
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He was 235 at the combine.
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Yeah... I wonder if Wells could have weight issues?At the NFL Combine he weighed in at 235 pounds and at his Pro Day on March 16th? (Ohio State Pro Day) he weighed in at 237 pounds.

Ricky Williams had weighed in at 244 at the NFL Combine when he came out IIRC and look at Brandon Jacobs' weight of 264. I wouldn't be surprised if Wells had gained some weight in between the Pro Day and Minicamps.

 
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Bumping this thread with the season results of most of the players mentioned... Worth noting is that 2 players really broke out, other players had early career bests in either TD or YPC/YPR, and some players disappeared but still improved slightly in other areas like receiving (Steve Slaton).

Adrian Peterson (222): Ran for 1383 yards with a career best 18 TD and also caught 43 passes for 436 yards.

Pierre Thomas (230): Ran for 793 yards on a career best 5.4 YPC with 6 TD. Also caught 39 passes for 302 yards.

Steve Slaton (215): Struggled all season and ran for just 437 yards but did catch 44 passes for 417 yards and 4 TD.

Marshawn Lynch (230): Virtually disappeared but ran for 450 yards and caught 28 passes for 179 yards.

LenDale White (234): See Lynch but more so. Ran for just 222 yards and 2 TD.

Brent Celek (260): Broke out with 76 catches for 971 yards and 8 TD. Put up a 12.8 YPR.

Jacob Hester (240): Basically played a FB role but ran for 74 yards and added 24 yards receiving.

Roy Williams (212): Bounced back slightly with 38 catches for 596 yards and 7 TD. Did put up a 15.7 YPR. The TD and YPR compared to his early career numbers.

James Jones (210): Was somewhat hidden but had 32 catches for 440 yards and a career best 5 TD.

Santonio Holmes (201): Exploded for 79 catches for 1248 yards but only had 5 TD. Did have a 15.8 YPR.

Chris Wells (229): Had 176 carries for 793 yards and 7 TD. Added 12 catches for 143 yards. Impressive rookie season for the most part.

 
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Bumping this thread with the season results of most of the players mentioned... Worth noting is that 2 players really broke out, other players had early career bests in either TD or YPC/YPR, and some players disappeared but still improved slightly in other areas like receiving (Steve Slaton).

Adrian Peterson (222): Ran for 1383 yards with a career best 18 TD and also caught 43 passes for 436 yards.

Pierre Thomas (230): Ran for 793 yards on a career best 5.4 YPC with 6 TD. Also caught 39 passes for 302 yards.

Steve Slaton (215): Struggled all season and ran for just 437 yards but did catch 44 passes for 417 yards and 4 TD.

Marshawn Lynch (230): Virtually disappeared but ran for 450 yards and caught 28 passes for 179 yards.

LenDale White (234): See Lynch but more so. Ran for just 222 yards and 2 TD.

Brent Celek (260): Broke out with 76 catches for 971 yards and 8 TD. Put up a 12.8 YPR.

Jacob Hester (240): Basically played a FB role but ran for 74 yards and added 24 yards receiving.

Roy Williams (212): Bounced back slightly with 38 catches for 596 yards and 7 TD. Did put up a 15.7 YPR. The TD and YPR compared to his early career numbers.

James Jones (210): Was somewhat hidden but had 32 catches for 440 yards and a career best 5 TD.

Santonio Holmes (201): Exploded for 79 catches for 1248 yards but only had 5 TD. Did have a 15.8 YPR.

Chris Wells (229): Had 176 carries for 793 yards and 7 TD. Added 12 catches for 143 yards. Impressive rookie season for the most part.
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I would include Ray Rice in this list, since he is easily one of the biggest success stories of '09.
 
Small bump as some players are already reporting different weights (gained and lost). I plan to do a similar test for the 2010 season considering what happened for the 2009 year.

I'll be updating the first post with any additions I (or others) find and think the more names we can come up with, the better the data set. I'm also including offensive linemen for the sake of pass protection/running game. Not sure how much that'd effect things/help but worth noting anyway.

Also provide links when possible so there's some verification.

 
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Bumping this thread with the season results of most of the players mentioned... Worth noting is that 2 players really broke out, other players had early career bests in either TD or YPC/YPR, and some players disappeared but still improved slightly in other areas like receiving (Steve Slaton).

Adrian Peterson (222): Ran for 1383 yards with a career best 18 TD and also caught 43 passes for 436 yards.

Pierre Thomas (230): Ran for 793 yards on a career best 5.4 YPC with 6 TD. Also caught 39 passes for 302 yards.

Steve Slaton (215): Struggled all season and ran for just 437 yards but did catch 44 passes for 417 yards and 4 TD.

Marshawn Lynch (230): Virtually disappeared but ran for 450 yards and caught 28 passes for 179 yards.

LenDale White (234): See Lynch but more so. Ran for just 222 yards and 2 TD.

Brent Celek (260): Broke out with 76 catches for 971 yards and 8 TD. Put up a 12.8 YPR.

Jacob Hester (240): Basically played a FB role but ran for 74 yards and added 24 yards receiving.

Roy Williams (212): Bounced back slightly with 38 catches for 596 yards and 7 TD. Did put up a 15.7 YPR. The TD and YPR compared to his early career numbers.

James Jones (210): Was somewhat hidden but had 32 catches for 440 yards and a career best 5 TD.

Santonio Holmes (201): Exploded for 79 catches for 1248 yards but only had 5 TD. Did have a 15.8 YPR.

Chris Wells (229): Had 176 carries for 793 yards and 7 TD. Added 12 catches for 143 yards. Impressive rookie season for the most part.
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Just some thoughts on these guys...RB's:

A.Peterson (weight gain) - his Yards/Attempt (rushing) went down this past year by about .4 yards. His second year in decline. His Yards/Reception increased by about 4 yards. But I attribute that to his adding some Favre during the season. He played in 16 games just like did in 2008. So I don't see that his weight gain really helped anything.

P.Thomas (weight gain) - Y/A was up .6 yards. His Y/R was down 1.5 yards. He also missed one more game than last year. He did have about 26 more touches this year than last. I don't think you can say that the weight gain helped his durability.

S.Slaton (weight gain) - Y/A was down 1.5 yards, his Y/R was up 2 yards. He played in 5 fewer games. His fumbles more than doubled in many fewer touches compared to 2008. Maybe he added too much weight in his hands? Seriously, who knows since his fumbling was such an issue? Hard to pin it on his weight. But a legit passing game with Schaub contributing for 5 more games this season should have set Slaton up for a nice season. I don't think we can say his weight gain helped any.

M.Lynch (weight gain) - So ineffective he lost his job to Jackson. Lost .3 yards in Y/A and posted the same Y/R. Suspension cost him 2 games, IIRC. This was a lost year for him, no doubt. Maybe it was all mental/emotional. But his weight gain sure didn't make him more explosive on the field.

L.White (weight loss) - Y/A dropped .4 yards, his Y/R gained 1.5 yards. He missed 3 games. His touches dropped precipitously, understandable given Johnson's talent. Hard to say alot about his carries since he only had 64 all season. I don't know if his rushing averages were down because he never got enough carries stacked together to get into any rhythym. He didn't look like he gained much quickness with his weight loss but with that sample size, it's hard to say.

R.Brown (cut body fat) - I'm not sure if he added or lost weight or was weight neutral. He missed 7 games, his Y/A increased by .1 yards and his Y/R dropped .7 yards. Not sure what his goal was but it didn't help his durability or his rushing numbers.

M.Barber (weight loss) - Not sure how much he lost but his Y/A increased by .7 yards and his Y/R increased by .5 yards. His touches dropped off by about 50 and he played in 15 games again. Not sure if his limited touches or the weight loss helped his averages, but they both increased.

S.Jackson (increased body fat) - Y/A increased .3 yards, his Y/R dropped off 3.2 yards. He played in 15 games, 3 more than 2008 but his back problems were well publicized. This one is hard to peg due to the suck that aurrounded him.

R.Rice (weight gain) - His Y/A increased by 1.1 yards while his Y/R increased by .7 yards. His touches also went through the roof, but that happens when you get promoted. He did play in all 16 games compared to 13 last year. But this is one of those situations where the situation changed so much from one year to the next that I'm not sure if his success in 2009 was going to happen even if his weight was stable. It would be hard to argue that his added weight made him quicker. Did he seem to break tackles more frequently this season?

QB's:

A.Rodgers (weight loss) - his sack % went up from 6.0 to 8.5%. His rushing attempt average increased by 1.7 yards per attempt. Hard to say how it affected him. His O-line play had more to do with it than his weight loss did, more than likely. You can't say his weight loss helped him avoid sacks.

WR's:

S.Holmes (weight gain) - Caught 24 more balls and his Y/R increased by .9 yards. He played in 16 games though he was having some wrist issues. I didn't get to watch him much so I don't know if his added upper body mass equaled more arm strength to get off the press. Whether his increases were due to weight gain or simply his growing role in the offense, I can't say.

R.Williams (weight loss) - His Y/R went up by 5.3 yards and his TD's increased to 7 from 1 (or 2 if you include Detroit). Despite being overshadowed by Austin, you could argue that he was more productive at this playing weight. But then again, when your as gifted as Roy is supposed to be and you increase from 430 yards receiving to 596 yards receiving, I'm still underwhelmed.

J.Jones (weight loss) - Another young WR in development. His Y/R increased by .1 yards and his receptions per game increased by .5 receptions. Not much change to write home about.

D.Bowe (weight gain) - Y/R increased by .6 yards while his receptions per game dropped by .9 receptions. Was he in the doghouse for his weight gain or was his weight gain from sitting in the doghouse?

TE's:

B.Celek (weight gain) - His Y/R increased by 1.0 yards. His receptions per game increased from 1.7 to 4.8. But then again, he did have a bigger role this season than last since L.J.Smith's catches had to go somewhere. Hard to say if his weight gain or growing experience (3rd year TE breakout theory, anyone?) caused the increases.

Obviously, no man is an island. Any other thoughts on how the surrounding cast or team changes caused these statistical fluctuations?

At this point, I don't know that we can say weight loss or gain is determinant one way or the other.

 
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I really think it comes down to a balance for each individual player and trying to find the optimum combination of strength, speed, power, agility, balance, etc. In some cases, weight gain may be beneficial to add bulk/muscle for strength/power but in others it may be better to lose weight in order to improve speed/agility. Obvioulsy, guys that are "undersized" for a position may try to add bulk/muscle to offer more strength, power, and durability- if you can do this without sacrificing (much) speed/agility it is probably a good thing. You may see guys like Felix Jones, Jamaal Charles, etc try to go this route to gain more carries/reps. Conversely, guys like Brandon Jacobs, Lendale White, may try to shed some pounds to gain speed to allow them to hit the hole/corner faster. The question becomes at what point are you sacrificing your initial skill set that makes you valuable, for another skill set that can take you to another whole level.

Obviously, the above applies within a certain level of reason. If Jamarcus Russell goes from 260 lbs to 290 lbs I can see as nothing but a bad thing and the weight gain can be more attributed to lack of work ethic rather than a specified type of conditioning designed to add/lose muscle mass.

 
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DawnBTVS said:
Updated with Beanie Wells who seems to be dropping weight again for the upcoming season.
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What does that mean? Did he gain a lot of weight in the offseason because he has poor work ethic?
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No. He gained weight last season before the Combine but was steadily dropping it through his Pro Day and into Training Camp IIRC. The blurb in the 1st thread indicated that he gained weight while out with an injury and didn't drop much during the season. Now that he's healthy, he's entering team workouts at the weight he was at last year prior to injury.
 
Updated the first post with several additions. Some interesting names there including Michael Turner's dropping back to his playing weight of two years ago.

 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/7011653.html

Hoping to create a more effective pass rush, the Texans' defensive line will have a new, slimmer look this season.

The Texans ranked 25th in the league in 2009 with just 30 sacks. The four starting defensive lineman — ends Antonio Smith and Mario Williams and tackles Amobi Okoye and Shaun Cody — combined for 151/2 of those sacks.

But reporting to organized team activities this week, each of the four starters had shed a significant amount of weight. All told, they lost a whopping 59 pounds. Leading the way was right tackle Amobi Okoye, who lost 32 pounds by conditioning twice a day in Katy with his younger sister during his time off.

“I just wanted to shed a few pounds and get stronger at the same time,” Okoye said. “We know we have to get at the quarterback better, and if being lighter and faster helps us do that, then that's what we're working on.”

Texans coach Gary Kubiak said Okoye's drastic weight loss wasn't a cause for concern at this point but he didn't need to get “too light.”

“We're going to watch him and see how he holds up and see how he moves,” Kubiak said.

Kubiak suggested the 10 pounds Williams has lost since last season could be attributed to the surgery he had last month to help his sleep apnea. Smith has lost 13 pounds and has been a ball of energy during the first two days of OTAs, joking and singing between drills. Cody lost four pounds.

Kubiak also mentioned that the defensive line has been working hard with strength and conditioning coach Cedric Smith and the weight loss is simply a byproduct of that work ethic.

“Those big guys naturally, with their work and stuff, are going to get down a little, but I don't see it as an issue right now,” Kubiak said.

Defensive line coach Bill Kollar said a player who reports to OTAs underweight is not nearly as alarming as a player who is overweight. The team poses a maximum weight that players must stay under. Kollar said the line hasn't changed much as far as what will be emphasized to improve the pass rush.

“You always want guys to play quicker, and we want to be aggressive and tough,” Kollar said. “Hard tackling and hard hitting will really be the bigger focal point this season.”

 
Donnie Avery revealed Monday that he's added 14 pounds since season's end by changing his diet and lifting weights.Avery hopes the extra weight, which gets him up to around 5'11/200, will increase his durability. The 2008 No. 33 overall pick has missed only one game in two seasons, but is too often dinged up and has been ineffective when attempting to play hurt. Avery remains likely to start at flanker in 2010.
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Clinton Portis is supposed to be shedding some pounds:

"He was 205 or 210 pounds and averaged [nearly] six yards a carry for two years [with the Broncos]. That's what I expect him to be - in great shape and doing the things he's always done with me. He knows he's got to be lighter, sure.

"I think we'll know as time goes on [what Portis's playing weight should be]. ... I haven't talked to him about it, but I would say that he'll probably be shooting at 210, 212, 214 range. I think Clinton knows what's best for him and his body, what type of offense we run with the zone blocking scheme that gives him the best chance to be successful."
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BUMP

The thread addressing Felix Jones' weight gain had me wondering about conditioning and lack thereof across the league. So I went searching and found this little gem from 2009 and updated in May 2010.

Part of my draft prep every year is to identify players who had a down year after putting on some weight and then coming into camp at the lower weight they excelled in. Michael Turner surely seems to fit the bill this year. I won't get Turner at my draft spot but this puts him on my radar as a trade target. Also bumping up Doucet.

I've read countless discussions on this board re; weight loss/ gain and it's effect on players performance. As this thread shows it's really all over the board when this subject arises partly because there are so many variables that come into play when attempting to reach a conclusion.

But anyone who would like to chime in with 2010 info on players who meet the listed criteria please feel free. For years I've thought we should have a clearinghouse type thread that addresses this subject rather than having to glean it all from individual player accts. Then bump it the following season and see where it all went right/wrong.

 
Updating this thread for the 2011 Season. If somebody wants to relay results from last year w/players listed by all means do so. Again, this isn't necessarily supporting a cause & effect but more an empirical data study,

2011 NFL Season - Weight Gain

RB DeMarco Murray (Dallas): Wants at 220 from 213. http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20110620-demarco-murray-wants-to-pack-on-the-pounds-return-kicks-this-fall.ece

RB Devin Moore (Indianapolis): Up 200 from 190 in 2010. http://www.indystar.com/article/20110704/SPORTS03/107040320/Indianapolis-Moore-wants-become-Colt-everybody-can-cheer-

RB Anthony Dixon (San Francisco): Up to 250. FB Role? http://www.csnbayarea.com/06/14/11/Maiocco-Dixon-does-not-fit-as-full-time-/landing.html?full_args=06/14/11/Maiocco-Dixon-does-not-fit-as-full-time-/landing&blockID=534798&feedID=5936

WR Shawn Nelson (Buffalo): Up to 220 from 205/210 in 2010. Goal is to be at 225. http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article441042.ece

WR Kevin Jurovich (San Francisco): Up to 195 from 185 in 2010. http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/06/player-by-playe.html

WR Terrence Austin (Washington): Up to 185 from 177 in 2010. http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2011/jun/1/austin-davis-staying-task-during-lockout/

TE Brent Celek (Philadelphia): Up to 267 from 260? in 2010. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/122968858.html

TE Jimmy Graham (New Orleans): Up to 265 from 255 in 2010. KFFL

2011 NFL Season - Weight Loss

QB Aaron Rodgers (Green Bay): Down 220 from 230-232 in 2010. http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/30028579

RB Felix Jones (Dallas): Wants at 210 from 220 in 2010. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8200fa1a/article/slimmeddown-jones-might-share-loadfor-cowboys

RB Mike Tolbert (San Diego): Down 244 from 258 in 2010. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Mike-Tolbert-takes-up-boxing-to-stay-in-shape.html

TE Brandon Pettigrew (Detroit): Down 255 from 270 in 2010. http://www.chillicothegazette.com/article/C4/20110608/SPORTS01/110608026/Slimmer-Pettigrew-expects-even-more-productive?odyssey=nav|head

TE Delanie Walker (San Francisco): Down 227 from listed 242 in 2010. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=pfw-20110612_bills_hope_to_give_wr_evans_bigger_role

TE Fred Davis (Washington): Down 245 from 258 in 2010. http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2011/jun/1/austin-davis-staying-task-during-lockout/

DT Haloti Ngata (Baltimore): Down 325 from 350 in 2010. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/160585738

DT Gerald McCoy (Tampa Bay): Down 300 from 310 in 2010. http://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&Itemid=20&view=item&layout=item&id=7033

CB Patrick Peterson (Arizona): Down 210-212 from 220. http://blog.azcardinals.com/2011/06/30/peterson-gets-the-weighty-message/

 
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'DawnBTVS said:
Updating this thread for the 2011 Season. If somebody wants to relay results from last year w/players listed by all means do so. Again, this isn't necessarily supporting a cause & effect but more an empirical data study,

2011 NFL Season - Weight Gain

RB Anthony Dixon (San Francisco): Up to 250. FB Role? http://www.csnbayarea.com/06/14/11/Maiocco-Dixon-does-not-fit-as-full-time-/landing.html?full_args=06/14/11/Maiocco-Dixon-does-not-fit-as-full-time-/landing&blockID=534798&feedID=5936

WR Shawn Nelson (Buffalo): Up to 220 from 205/210 in 2010. http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article441042.ece

WR Kevin Jurovich (San Francisco): Up to 195 from 185 in 2010. http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/06/player-by-playe.html

WR Terrence Austin (Washington): Up to 185 from 177 in 2010. http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2011/jun/1/austin-davis-staying-task-during-lockout/

TE Brent Celek (Philadelphia): Up to 267 from 260? in 2010. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/122968858.html

2011 NFL Season - Weight Loss

RB Felix Jones (Dallas): Wants at 210 from 220 in 2010. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8200fa1a/article/slimmeddown-jones-might-share-loadfor-cowboys

TE Brandon Pettigrew (Detroit): Down 255 from 270 in 2010. http://www.chillicothegazette.com/article/C4/20110608/SPORTS01/110608026/Slimmer-Pettigrew-expects-even-more-productive?odyssey=nav|head

TE Fred Davis (Washington): Down 245 from 258 in 2010. http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2011/jun/1/austin-davis-staying-task-during-lockout/
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Nothing to add other than, as a Pettigrew dynasty owner - I'm glad to see it. The limited games I saw him last year I thought he looked a little too "lumbering" running his patterns. 255 at least seems like it would serve him better (admittedly from an outsider looking in). Thanks for the update!
 
Per Rotoworld, May 25, 2011 Bills WR David Nelson is trying to bulk up to 225 after playing last season in the 205 to 210-pound range.He's already at 220. At 6-foot-5, Nelson ran an impressive 4.45 forty at the Florida Gators' 2010 Pro Day, so he should maintain plenty of speed at the greater weight. After catching 31 balls for 353 yards and three scores as an undrafted rookie, Nelson will be in the mix for Buffalo's slot receiver job.

 
Here's what I was able to compile from the 2010 Season. Like the 2009 season, results are inconclusive and varied greatly. Interesting to note that there was another "breakout" player in the group in McCoy (ala Brent Celek... maybe we should be looking for a 2011 Eagles player??).

QB Sam Bradford (Down 228): Threw for 3512 yards and 18 TD vs 15 INT. Ran for 63 yards and 1 TD with a 2.3 YPC.

RB Michael Turner (Down 244): Led NFL with 334 carries. Down 0.8 in YPC and up 0.1 in YPR. Started 15 games.

RB Steve Slaton (Down 200): Had a 4.9 YPC on 19 carries. Got time in a KR role and had 19.7 YPR.

RB Chris Wells (Down 228): YPC dropped to 3.4 but YPR went up to 14.8 on just 5 catches. Questions on weight control ability.

RB LeSean McCoy (Down 211): Breakout Year. YPC of 5.2 and YPR went down 0.1.

RB Clinton Portis (Down 210): YPC was up 0.2 and YPR was at 11.0 on 5 catches. Started 5 games pre-injury.

WR Andre Caldwell (Down 194): YPR improved to 13.8 on 25 catches.

WR Percy Harvin (Up 200): YPR down 1.0 but started 13 games and had 11 more catches.

WR Mike Williams (Down 235): Started 13 games with an 11.6 YPR despite not playing for 2 years.

WR Early Doucet (Down 205): Started 5 games but YPR dropped from 12.6 to 11.2. Did have 9 more catches.

 
Thanks for bringing this back. Hard to get good info right now but that will change. I'll post when more comes out.

 
(KFFL) New Orleans Saints TE Jimmy Graham said he currently weighs 265 pounds after finishing the season at 255 pounds. Graham said all of the weight he added was muscle.

 
'DawnBTVS said:
2011 NFL Season - Weight Gain

WR Shawn Nelson (Buffalo): Up to 220 from 205/210 in 2010. Goal is to be at 225. http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article441042.ece
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Per Rotoworld, May 25, 2011 Bills WR David Nelson is trying to bulk up to 225 after playing last season in the 205 to 210-pound range.He's already at 220. At 6-foot-5, Nelson ran an impressive 4.45 forty at the Florida Gators' 2010 Pro Day, so he should maintain plenty of speed at the greater weight. After catching 31 balls for 353 yards and three scores as an undrafted rookie, Nelson will be in the mix for Buffalo's slot receiver job.
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That's more like it... I was wondering what a TE was doing at 205lbs.

 
Updated post #43 with more names. Also thinking of including defensive players for those who play in IDP leagues.

 
Some numbers I've seen in various places:

TE Jermichael Finley dropped to 240lbs from a reported 255lbs

RB Danny Woodhead gained to 205lbs from 195lbs

RB Felix Jones weighed in at 219lbs at camp.

 
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