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The WW Receivers: Grabbing them Before They Blow Up (1 Viewer)
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The Kerminator
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I disagree with some of this. Much of it applies today but by mid-season could be totally different. Keep an eye on Cobb.-Jennings, Finley, Nelson, Driver and Jones are all ahead of him on the depth chart. Not sure Jones is ahead of Cobb. And once Cobb learns the playbook he will move up the depth chart.
-That's a lot of targets for Rodgers, not to mention Grant/Starks. This can be said for any of GBs WRs
-He's a rookie WR and a 2nd round pick, they rarely "blow up" in their first year. If a rookie shows talent, the Packers aren't afraid to throw them into prominent roles, see Sam Shields
-He still doesn't know the playbook yet and hasn't developed the timing with Rodgers that is essential in this offense. He may not know the playbook yet, but week 1 when he ran the wrong route Rodgers was still able to find him. Seemed to be on the same page then.
I'll throw out Schilens and Cruz.
The Raiders aren't going to win on 105 passing yards each week. Someone has to step up. Schilens could be that guy, just before he gets hurt again.
With Nicks hurting, Cruz could get more targets. After the Philly game this week, NY gets AZ, Seattle, Buffalo, and Miami. Any of those games could be the one as long as he doesn't find his way to the bench first.
The Raiders aren't going to win on 105 passing yards each week. Someone has to step up. Schilens could be that guy, just before he gets hurt again.
With Nicks hurting, Cruz could get more targets. After the Philly game this week, NY gets AZ, Seattle, Buffalo, and Miami. Any of those games could be the one as long as he doesn't find his way to the bench first.
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Clifford
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Cruz is getting replaced by Brandon Stokely. I'd forget about him.
I'm really feeling Little. Also Decker and Steve Smith, but I feel like Decker is only good while Lloyd is out. Little already got the most snaps week one, and McCoy should improve from week 1 numbers. Plus, he's the only one with unknown upside. He really has no roadblocks to the WR1 role even if he isn't nominally a starter.
I'm really feeling Little. Also Decker and Steve Smith, but I feel like Decker is only good while Lloyd is out. Little already got the most snaps week one, and McCoy should improve from week 1 numbers. Plus, he's the only one with unknown upside. He really has no roadblocks to the WR1 role even if he isn't nominally a starter.
SaintsInDome2006
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This is a important thread for folks looking to make hay.
Miles Austin (2009), Mike Williams (2010), that kind of thing, the kind of WR3's who can perform like WR1's and help get championships.
Cobb, Little, Titus Young, Antonio Brown, Baldwin and Salas look like the rookies on the horizon. Out of that group (based on talent and profile) I like Cobb. But all of these guys seem to have someone in front of them. Last year Tampa Mike pretty much started from the get-go.
Andre Roberts, Doucet, Decker, Ford, D. Moore, Hagan, DHB, Salas, Gibson, Sanders, Simpson, Nelson, Donald Jones, and Jacoby Jones look like emerging players. But none are No. 1 WR's on their own team (except maybe for the Oakland group but that is a seriously muddy situation). Out of that group Gibson looks like he has the best opportunity to become the team's no. 1.
Last year it seemed like fingers from all directions were pointing at Tampa Mike, this year no one seems to fit that bill. Alternatively in 2009 Austin came out of nowhere and for many people who weren't trying to figure out what those in this thread are it was too late after he did.
Miles Austin (2009), Mike Williams (2010), that kind of thing, the kind of WR3's who can perform like WR1's and help get championships.
Cobb, Little, Titus Young, Antonio Brown, Baldwin and Salas look like the rookies on the horizon. Out of that group (based on talent and profile) I like Cobb. But all of these guys seem to have someone in front of them. Last year Tampa Mike pretty much started from the get-go.
Andre Roberts, Doucet, Decker, Ford, D. Moore, Hagan, DHB, Salas, Gibson, Sanders, Simpson, Nelson, Donald Jones, and Jacoby Jones look like emerging players. But none are No. 1 WR's on their own team (except maybe for the Oakland group but that is a seriously muddy situation). Out of that group Gibson looks like he has the best opportunity to become the team's no. 1.
Last year it seemed like fingers from all directions were pointing at Tampa Mike, this year no one seems to fit that bill. Alternatively in 2009 Austin came out of nowhere and for many people who weren't trying to figure out what those in this thread are it was too late after he did.
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glong989
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Austin had games of 1/42/1, 1/20/0, and 0/0/0 before his 10/250/2 blow out in game 4 in 2009 so you are right in that you need to take fliers and hope.
Williams was most likely drafted in leagues last season as he had a lot of hype as a rookie pick.
I agree that it's the Rams this season. They gotta have someone emerge and catch all those balls from Bradford in the McDaniels scheme.
Williams was most likely drafted in leagues last season as he had a lot of hype as a rookie pick.
I agree that it's the Rams this season. They gotta have someone emerge and catch all those balls from Bradford in the McDaniels scheme.
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Clifford
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Those banking on Decker this week might want to look elsewhere
Brandon Lloyd - WR - Broncos
Brandon Lloyd (groin) returned to Broncos practice Friday.
Lloyd is the lone wolf of the injured players, as Knowshon Moreno (hamstring), Champ Bailey (hamstring), and Elvis Dumervil (shoulder) remain sidelined. This obviously increases Lloyd's chances of playing against the Bengals. Check back this afternoon for an update on his participation level.
Brandon Lloyd - WR - Broncos
Brandon Lloyd (groin) returned to Broncos practice Friday.
Lloyd is the lone wolf of the injured players, as Knowshon Moreno (hamstring), Champ Bailey (hamstring), and Elvis Dumervil (shoulder) remain sidelined. This obviously increases Lloyd's chances of playing against the Bengals. Check back this afternoon for an update on his participation level.
Is Eddie Royal really the "#2" in Denver? If so, should he really be considered an obstacle for Decker? Royal seems like he as always built and best-suited for the slot, tho I realize Orton has been very complimentary of Decker as a slot receiver. After Lloyd, Decker, Royal, Fells and McGahee all had between 5 and 7 targets, with Decker catching almost all of his ( 1 appeared to be a tipped pass that was nowhere in his vicinity.)
Also, Brandon Gibson just seems unremarkable to me for some reason...and I'm not sure that's enough to give him any value even in McDaniel's offense. In all 3 of my leagues, including a 14-teamer, Gibson is sitting on the WW even after Week 1 waiver claims.
Also, Brandon Gibson just seems unremarkable to me for some reason...and I'm not sure that's enough to give him any value even in McDaniel's offense. In all 3 of my leagues, including a 14-teamer, Gibson is sitting on the WW even after Week 1 waiver claims.
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SaintsInDome2006
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The FBG target report has some interesting stuff.
Ant Brown 9 targets / 2 catches vs Sanders 3/2
Jerome Simpson 9/4
Hartline 7/4
Avant 7/3
DHB 7/4
Benn 7/4
Nelson 6/4
Armstrong 6/2
Baldwin 6/4
Jason Hill 5/4 vs Mike Thomas 11/8
MoMass 7/3
Also this about Greg Little: "Less Brian Robiskie, more Greg Little. I would also add Joshua Cribbs. Little was on the field for more snaps (57) than any other receiver. Then came Robiskie (47), Mohamed Massaquoi (41) and Cribbs (26). Robiskie and Little each were thrown three passes. Only one was caught -- for 12 yards by Little."
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2011/09/a_few_suggestions_ok_10_of_the.html
What is the story there? Little is supposedly stuck down on the depth chart but he gets more snaps than anyone BUT only gets 3 targets and one catch?
Something has to give there.
Ant Brown 9 targets / 2 catches vs Sanders 3/2
Jerome Simpson 9/4
Hartline 7/4
Avant 7/3
DHB 7/4
Benn 7/4
Nelson 6/4
Armstrong 6/2
Baldwin 6/4
Jason Hill 5/4 vs Mike Thomas 11/8
MoMass 7/3
Also this about Greg Little: "Less Brian Robiskie, more Greg Little. I would also add Joshua Cribbs. Little was on the field for more snaps (57) than any other receiver. Then came Robiskie (47), Mohamed Massaquoi (41) and Cribbs (26). Robiskie and Little each were thrown three passes. Only one was caught -- for 12 yards by Little."
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2011/09/a_few_suggestions_ok_10_of_the.html
What is the story there? Little is supposedly stuck down on the depth chart but he gets more snaps than anyone BUT only gets 3 targets and one catch?
Something has to give there.
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wudaben
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That Greg Little stat is pretty telling... in this kid's first NFL game he is already getting the most offensive snaps of any receiver on the team? and Colt McCoy looks like a solid QB? I don't have the numbers in front of me but I remember Cleveland's run schedule looks real good up until the middle of the season and then it gets brutal, by that time I could see a guy like Little really take off.Hartline is also a very interesting option, over the last 5 games he has the following stats:
Targets, Receptions, YDs, TDs
5 4 85 0
5 5 98 0
6 5 70 0
7 4 75 0
4 0 0 0 *Injured and missed several games?
7 4 47 1
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I picked up Jerome Simpson. He was coming on at the end of last year. He is the clear #2 behind a rookie (who may struggle) and got 9 targets to the rookie's 4 targets. Only reason he isn't being snapped up more is because he only caught 4 of 9 targets, but that may be to the shark's advantage. . . Plus, Ocho and Owens are gone. That radically changes the landscape for Simpson.
Thought about Brown, but just way too many mouths to feed if you are really looking for a stud in the making. Even if Brown is great, I don't like his chances of being better than a borderline #3 WR for fantasy.
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Clifford
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Hartline is a nice safe WW play, but I can't see him ever truly "blowing up" like some of the other guys listed here. Having Bush and Bess to compete with in the passing game will limit his upside, and Henne ain't passing for 400 every game. Dude likely played the best game of his career against Brady.
eaglezzz
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I think Avant is a pretty solid WR3 for the Eagles, Reid loves him and has said he is the best Slot WR in the NFL. I see the signing of Smith as more of an insurance policy for later in the year/playoffs and next year. Avant and Vick have a good chemistry and he is good for 3 or 4 catches a game with potential for a TD. I think with Jackson/Maclin/Avant/Smith/McCoy/Celek they are trying to have that Packers or Colts mentality to have as many guys that can catch as possible and get them all involved.
Smith is on a one-year deal and *if* he can show he's healthy I'd be stunned if he wasn't starting somewhere else next year.
Sabertooth
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I don't get why this is good for Cribbs. He appears to be what he's always been.
Fantasyfollow1
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Decker is my guy too.
Clifford
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I went with little. The snaps thing plus his lack of competition is just too good. I don't need him anytime soon so content to wait and see.
Grabbed Nelson in another league. Lloyd sounds like he could play and that Denver o is not looking like one that can support multiple ff wrs.
Grabbed Nelson in another league. Lloyd sounds like he could play and that Denver o is not looking like one that can support multiple ff wrs.
Another vote for Decker and Cobb in dynasty formats.
Decker reminds me of Jordy Nelson (6'3" 218) without the competition in front of him.
I don't see Lloyd lasting through the year. Just a hunch.
Next year I can see Decker starting across from D. Thomas.
Cobb is just special. He's quick and solidly built.
It may be a while before he really shines but I see them plugging him in occasionally.
We'll see over the next few weeks how much pt he may get but I have him stashed wherever I can get him.
Decker reminds me of Jordy Nelson (6'3" 218) without the competition in front of him.
I don't see Lloyd lasting through the year. Just a hunch.
Next year I can see Decker starting across from D. Thomas.
Cobb is just special. He's quick and solidly built.
It may be a while before he really shines but I see them plugging him in occasionally.
We'll see over the next few weeks how much pt he may get but I have him stashed wherever I can get him.
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Rotworld:Steelers WR Antonio Brown is still making mistakes in his route running.Analysis: According to beat writer Gerry Dulac, Brown is "often turning the wrong way or is out of position when the ball is thrown." Ben Roethlisberger conceded after the loss to the Ravens that his connection with Brown still needs work after the two connected on just 2-of-9 targets. Brown has a promising future as a playmaker, but he's going to start losing snaps to Emmanuel Sanders
identikit
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Really?
pilferthedawn
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My thoughts are that Brandon Gibson might have the best chance to emerge as a bonafide WR3 with WR2 upside out of the players that have been mentioned.
[*]Looking at this week, he is playing against a banged up Giants D that surrendered 300 yards to Rex friggen Grossman, in primetime with Caddy handling the bulk of the carries out of the backfield.
[*]Bradford threw for more than 3500 yards last year and with Amendola and Clayton injured, who is going to catch the ball and get those yards for STL? Sims-Walker was targeted 4 times and only caught one pass for 5 yards in the season opener, while Gibson was targeted 5 times and was able to haul in 3 of those passes, with one of them drawing a long PI penalty on the Eagles that would have gone for a TD had he not been interfered with.
[*]Their schedule is favorable playing against the NFC west, specifically the Cardinals who allowed some big numbers to the Panthers in week 1.
I would then list Decker, who is not only a great WR waiting for his opportunity, but also returns punts. His value will obviously decrease if Fox, at any point during the season (which is a highly likely) decides to see what Tebow or Quinn can do.
Then I would say Little, who could develop later on as the season progresses, but I wouldn't expect any consistent production from him in the early going.
[*]Looking at this week, he is playing against a banged up Giants D that surrendered 300 yards to Rex friggen Grossman, in primetime with Caddy handling the bulk of the carries out of the backfield.
[*]Bradford threw for more than 3500 yards last year and with Amendola and Clayton injured, who is going to catch the ball and get those yards for STL? Sims-Walker was targeted 4 times and only caught one pass for 5 yards in the season opener, while Gibson was targeted 5 times and was able to haul in 3 of those passes, with one of them drawing a long PI penalty on the Eagles that would have gone for a TD had he not been interfered with.
[*]Their schedule is favorable playing against the NFC west, specifically the Cardinals who allowed some big numbers to the Panthers in week 1.
I would then list Decker, who is not only a great WR waiting for his opportunity, but also returns punts. His value will obviously decrease if Fox, at any point during the season (which is a highly likely) decides to see what Tebow or Quinn can do.
Then I would say Little, who could develop later on as the season progresses, but I wouldn't expect any consistent production from him in the early going.
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SaintsInDome2006
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I've been reading through this and the best I can figure it from here, for redraft:
Nelson
Gibson
Gaffney
Decker
Simpson - the FBG writeup is very negative on him, but the situation seems right for him to be at least an ok WR3, but that might not be what people are looking for here
Guys to stash and wait on: Little, then Cobb
I have gone with Gibson in two leagues and am deciding between the rest. Nelson and Gaffney seem like the best after that.
Nelson
Gibson
Gaffney
Decker
Simpson - the FBG writeup is very negative on him, but the situation seems right for him to be at least an ok WR3, but that might not be what people are looking for here
Guys to stash and wait on: Little, then Cobb
I have gone with Gibson in two leagues and am deciding between the rest. Nelson and Gaffney seem like the best after that.
Ping Pong
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Nobody's talking about Jordy Nelson, they're talking about David Nelson, WR from Buffalo.
Sabertooth
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I've read this a couple ways. It doesn't state that Ben said he made mistakes, just that the writer is speculating. I'm not sure what this beat writer is seeing. He may be basing this speculation off of conversations. Here is my breakdown of the targets.1st target - First target was at designed screen catch of -1 at the 8:05 mark of the second quarter. Playcall designed to get the ball in his hands. Tackled immediately.
2nd target - Third and 11, Ben hit him after holding the ball a while. Ball hit his hands beyond the first down marker. He should have caught this ball for an easy first. Good throw.
3rd target - Way overthrown. Split left again with Sanders I think. (maybe this one)
4th target - Brown was open, announcers speculate it may have slipped out of Ben's hand.
5th target - Very next play. Pressure on Ben, threw moving backwards and it hit the turf 2 yards short of our hero. (perhaps this one, but it was a bad throw)
6th target - Three wide with a tight end. Nice bullet inside to Brown. 15 yard gain.
7th target - 4 wide set. Ben just missed him about 16 yards down field. (perhaps here)
8th target - Group set right with only Brown to the left. He appeared to be Ben's only choice as he stared him down in the end zone and threw it out of bounds. Brown caught it on the far side of the sideline stripe.
9th target - Looked like the same play. Ben stared him down again and hit him. This time only inches from being in bounds.
duaneok66
Footballguy
thanks - I am stupid . . .
pack66
Footballguy
-Jones is ahead of Cobb plain and simple. Cobb only played 7 snaps and at least two of those were returns.-Regarding Sam Shields, there was no one at the same level or better when Shields took over. Pat Lee? I don't think so. Jarrett Bush? Definitely not. James Jones has as much talent as Cobb and has been established in the offense for some time. Cobb is still learning how to play WR at the NFL level, not to mention learning the playbook and timing issues.
Like I said, I like Cobb and was extremely happy when they drafted him. That being said, anyone who thinks the 3rd WR in this offense (who is a combination of Nelson/Jones) is worth starting as anything more than a flex is kidding themselves. Sure they could blow up, but that is based more on matchups rather than who is the better player. Jennings is #1, Finley is #2 and everyone else are mixed in at 3rd best.
Decker if Lloyd stays on the sidelines.Cobb is a long-term stash.
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shadyridr
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Gibson becomes a STAR tonight! I'm sure of it.
Unless I'm wrong, in which case please forget I posted this.
Unless I'm wrong, in which case please forget I posted this.
Sabertooth
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We will. But just in case, I'll copy it for posterity.Gibson becomes a STAR tonight! I'm sure of it.Unless I'm wrong, in which case please forget I posted this.
Raiderfan32904
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Gibson becomes a STAR tonight! I'm sure of it.Unless I'm wrong, in which case please forget I posted this.
Cheering hard for Rams to blowout the G-Men. I picked up Gibson off waivers, and am nursing a 4 pt lead with opponent playing the Giants D. 
Chaka
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Yeah, not so much.
LargeMouthBass
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I don't know about a blow out but how about a high scoring game with the G-Men winning by a TD?'Raiderfan32904 said:'Raider Nation said:Gibson becomes a STAR tonight! I'm sure of it.Unless I'm wrong, in which case please forget I posted this.
thriftyrocker
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Does anyone know what happened here? He started vs NY but only got 1 target. I realize McCown stunk up the joint, but is this a sign there's no 2011 value here? Or did he get hurt and I just don't see news of it? Or what happened?
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