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This Chris Brown Experiment is Working Great So Far...Yeah Right! (1 Viewer)

I understand complaining about using Chris Brown at the goal line.But it is wrong to suggest he should have used Slaton instead. Slaton has been absolutely terrible at the goal line thus far in his career: 20 carries for 10 rushing yards and 4 TDs.I was kind of hoping Schaub would pass for a TD myself... especially if it went to Daniels.
Good posting. You want to complain about giving it to Brown, that's great. If you want to suggest that they should instead give it to a guy averaging 3 yards per carry, leading the NFL in fumbles, and with a long history of terrible short-yardage production, then I'm no longer with you.
I’ve been trying to verify the Slaton history of inadequacy using the Data Dominator. Perhaps I'm missing something, so this is to anyone who might see the flaw in what I'm putting in. When I plug in the following Data Dominator:Rushing statsRBs onlyYear 2008Week 1-17Down and Distance between 3rd and 4th down, between 1 and 1 yards to go,Then I come up with Steve Slaton having 16 attempts for 115 yards, 12 first downs, and 1 TD. Which is good.So I decided to look at goal line carries. I change Down and Distance between 1st and 4th, between opp5 and oppG. The results are 7 attempts for 3 yards, 3 FD, 3 RTD. That also doesn’t seem that bad. Someone said 20 carries for 10 yards above...however, even if you stretch the years from 2008-2009, he still only has 7 attempts in the DD. Am I reading the DD wrong?
 
I understand complaining about using Chris Brown at the goal line.But it is wrong to suggest he should have used Slaton instead. Slaton has been absolutely terrible at the goal line thus far in his career: 20 carries for 10 rushing yards and 4 TDs.I was kind of hoping Schaub would pass for a TD myself... especially if it went to Daniels.
Good posting. You want to complain about giving it to Brown, that's great. If you want to suggest that they should instead give it to a guy averaging 3 yards per carry, leading the NFL in fumbles, and with a long history of terrible short-yardage production, then I'm no longer with you.
I’ve been trying to verify the Slaton history of inadequacy using the Data Dominator. Perhaps I'm missing something, so this is to anyone who might see the flaw in what I'm putting in. When I plug in the following Data Dominator:Rushing statsRBs onlyYear 2008Week 1-17Down and Distance between 3rd and 4th down, between 1 and 1 yards to go,Then I come up with Steve Slaton having 16 attempts for 115 yards, 12 first downs, and 1 TD. Which is good.So I decided to look at goal line carries. I change Down and Distance between 1st and 4th, between opp5 and oppG. The results are 7 attempts for 3 yards, 3 FD, 3 RTD. That also doesn’t seem that bad. Someone said 20 carries for 10 yards above...however, even if you stretch the years from 2008-2009, he still only has 7 attempts in the DD. Am I reading the DD wrong?
Yes, you are doing something wrong. I posted the 20 carries for 10 yards and 4 TDs earlier in the thread, and I took that from DD. Settings:What kind of report do you want? player reportSeasons or Totals: TotalsWhich stats do you want to see? rushingPosition: RBs onlyTeam: all teamsOpponent: all teamsYear: between 2008 and 2009Week: between 1 and 17Home / Road: both home and road gamesDown and distance: between 1st and 4th down andbetween 1 and 99 yards to goField position: between opp 5 and opp GClock time: between start of game and end of gameScore differential: between down by 99 and up by 99 Sort by: rushesLooks like Slaton must have had a 3 yard carry that fits these criteria yesterday, because DD now shows 21 carries for 13 yards and 4 TDs when running the criteria above.ETA: Looking at all carries in his career, with 1 to 3 yards to go, he has 54/252/6 (4.67 ypc) with 26 FDs. Looking at his carries with 1 yard to go and 1-2 yards to go, I get the feeling tha the must have broken a couple of long ones in such scenarios. Just focusing on 1 to 3 yards to go, he got the first down just below 50% of the time. Not sure how this compares to other RBs in the league, but it doesn't strike me as particularly good or bad.But at the goal line (inside the 5), he has been bad.
 
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And the point being made that Slaton is far more talented a player than Brown and had taken steps this offseason by adding bulk in an attempt to increase his power and improve in short yardages situations, yet his HC continues to ignore him once they get at the goal line doesn't mean a thing, I guess?.......Regardless of past failures, I still hold strong to the belief that you give your best guys opportunities to score, thus helping your team out towards winning some games. I recall for a couple of seasons where the Eagles were towards the bottom in converting short yardage and goal line situations, but did they more often than not kept Westbrook in their and he received his fair share of attempts. Why? Because Andy Reid knows the value of keeping your best playmakers on the field most of the time, including short yardage. It's up to the coaches to call the right plays and put their players in positions to succeed. As Kubiak should know his o-line is soft, so then open up the playbook down at the goal line and stop trying to force Boo-Boo Brown up the gut behind such a putrid o-line. Run off-tackle, run misdirection (those misdirected little flip tosses to the RB work quite well when setup well), bootlegs, hell, run a power sweep sometime, because obviously the Texans o-line can't simply beat teams straight on with power blocking. And since this is the case, then yes, I believe that Slaton should be the one getting the rock then as I see him in the mold of a Westbrook. Do you know how many times that Westbrook has scored on those little shovel passes down inside the 10 yard line? A lot! Slaton produced over 15 points in PPR leagues, so this is far from a simple vent thread. It's a reality check thread. Kubiak is a stubborn fool who is failing to make proper adjustments and not helping his team much in these tight games. He also doesn't seem to know how to inspire/motivate players while he has very few options he should be looking to build up a guy like Slaton. Instead, he makes public comments trying to place blame on a young player when he should be looking directly in the mirror at what he has failed to do as a coach - develop a good o-line and call better plays based on his team's strengths, i.e., adjust). This equates to a lack of leadership. How come he hasn't been able to develop Jacoby Jones? Isn't Kubiak supposedly an offensive wizard? Jones is another talented playmaker who could be helping this team more if properly developed and utilized. I just can't imagine most coaches relying on Chris Brown to try to win you games when you see it isn't working. Did he even give Slaton an attempt at the goal line on either of their goal line situations?
someone already pointed out that Slaton had failed in many 3rd and 1's already i n this game.
3-1-HOU 27 (5:12) 20-S.Slaton up the middle to HST 27 for no gain (53-C.Haggans).2-1-ARI 22 (12:20) 20-S.Slaton up the middle to ARZ 22 for no gain (53-C.Haggans).3-1-ARI 22 (11:41) 20-S.Slaton right tackle to ARZ 22 for no gain (58-K.Dansby).2-2-ARI 21 (6:47) 22-C.Brown left tackle to ARZ 20 for 1 yard (25-B.McFadden).3-1-ARI 1 (3:43) 22-C.Brown up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.2-1-ARI 1 (:59) 22-C.Brown up the middle to ARZ 1 for no gain (98-G.Watson, 90-D.Dockett).4-1-ARI 1 (:47) 22-C.Brown up the middle to ARZ 1 for no gain (95-A.Highsmith). The Replay Assistant challenged the runner broke the plane ruling, and the play was Upheld.
 
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I recall for a couple of seasons where the Eagles were towards the bottom in converting short yardage and goal line situations, but did they more often than not kept Westbrook in their and he received his fair share of attempts. Why? Because Andy Reid knows the value of keeping your best playmakers on the field most of the time, including short yardage. It's up to the coaches to call the right plays and put their players in positions to succeed. As Kubiak should know his o-line is soft, so then open up the playbook down at the goal line and stop trying to force Boo-Boo Brown up the gut behind such a putrid o-line. Run off-tackle, run misdirection (those misdirected little flip tosses to the RB work quite well when setup well), bootlegs, hell, run a power sweep sometime, because obviously the Texans o-line can't simply beat teams straight on with power blocking. And since this is the case, then yes, I believe that Slaton should be the one getting the rock then as I see him in the mold of a Westbrook. Do you know how many times that Westbrook has scored on those little shovel passes down inside the 10 yard line? A lot!
I think this is a good point. Watching the Colts last night, the commentators were talking about the same thing when they had 4th and 1 close to the Titans' goalline. They were saying how the Colts weren't a "pound 'em" team. Sure enough they ran a pass play with Reggie Wayne in the flat that scored a TD. Houston could try similar plays with Slaton in there instead of Brown...
 
Am I reading the DD wrong?
Yes, you are doing something wrong. I posted the 20 carries for 10 yards and 4 TDs earlier in the thread, and I took that from DD. Settings:Looks like Slaton must have had a 3 yard carry that fits these criteria yesterday, because DD now shows 21 carries for 13 yards and 4 TDs when running the criteria above.ETA: Looking at all carries in his career, with 1 to 3 yards to go, he has 54/252/6 (4.67 ypc) with 26 FDs. Looking at his carries with 1 yard to go and 1-2 yards to go, I get the feeling tha the must have broken a couple of long ones in such scenarios. Just focusing on 1 to 3 yards to go, he got the first down just below 50% of the time. Not sure how this compares to other RBs in the league, but it doesn't strike me as particularly good or bad.But at the goal line (inside the 5), he has been bad.
:lmao: Thanks, I figured out what I was doing wrong. I had yardage as between 1 and 1, instead of between 1 and 99, as I was taking "goal line" literally.
 
3-1-HOU 27 (5:12) 20-S.Slaton up the middle to HST 27 for no gain (53-C.Haggans).2-1-ARI 22 (12:20) 20-S.Slaton up the middle to ARZ 22 for no gain (53-C.Haggans).3-1-ARI 22 (11:41) 20-S.Slaton right tackle to ARZ 22 for no gain (58-K.Dansby).2-2-ARI 21 (6:47) 22-C.Brown left tackle to ARZ 20 for 1 yard (25-B.McFadden).3-1-ARI 1 (3:43) 22-C.Brown up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.2-1-ARI 1 (:59) 22-C.Brown up the middle to ARZ 1 for no gain (98-G.Watson, 90-D.Dockett).4-1-ARI 1 (:47) 22-C.Brown up the middle to ARZ 1 for no gain (95-A.Highsmith). The Replay Assistant challenged the runner broke the plane ruling, and the play was Upheld.
They must have a pretty bad offensive line.
 

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