This just happened in an online draft (1 Viewer)

[Go deep]

Its an online league with a 6 hour clock, plus the clock stops for 6 hours overnight. Rules state that if a player times out, he gets the next player on the MFL ADP list. Well, one team timed out after being on the clock for 12 hours and the ADP pick was Ben Tate. He complaind to the commish that he didnt know the clock was shut off for only 6 hours during the night, so the commish gave him a different player....after several other teams made their picks.

On top of that, the commish didnt even give him the next highest guy on the ADP list, he allowed him to choose a player.

Does anyone see this as a fair decision, the guy could have predrafted before going to bed as well, or adjusted the MFL ADP list so that Tate wasnt on the list at all.

Rules are there for a reason, i dont think they should be totally changed half way through a draft.

ETA, this is an online site that hosts multiple leagues, not a draft amongst friends.

 

[ffguru56]

Yep, bad move by the commish in my opinion. He should have been left with Tate. Preranking is there for that particular reason. The lack of preparation or knowledge of the rules should not be the determining factor in skirting the rules and, in essence, effecting every team's picks after that.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

6 hour timer, and the clock only stops for 6 hours at night? Do any of your leaguemates have jobs, or a life?

ETA: I suppose it's the guy's fault for not reading the rules and bylaws.

 

[noneother]

Its an online league with a 6 hour clock, plus the clock stops for 6 hours overnight. Rules state that if a player times out, he gets the next player on the MFL ADP list. Well, one team timed out after being on the clock for 12 hours and the ADP pick was Ben Tate. He complaind to the commish that he didnt know the clock was shut off for only 6 hours during the night, so the commish gave him a different player....after several other teams made their picks.Does anyone see this as a fair decision, the guy could have also predrafted before going to bed as well, so any way you slice it, its wrong...IMO. Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

what are the stakes? keeper? redraft? if it were a player that wasn't going to miss the entire season, i would agree... but in this case... him falling back a few spots, i, personally have no issue... if it were a suspension like cushing, or injury like Stafon Johnson, where they are most likely to come back.. maybe not as lenient.. and this guy should pay an idiot tax... maybe a forfeit of his last draft pick... some kind of penalty

 

[Giants4Life]

The owner should've read the rules. If he really wanted to make the pick, he would've

 

[ffguru56]

6 hour timer at night? Do any of your leaguemates have jobs, or a life?

Who cares. No reason to insult them. Answer the question at hand.

 

[Go deep]

6 hour timer at night? Do any of your leaguemates have jobs, or a life?

The clock gets shut off for 6 hours at night, plus each team gets 6 hours to pick. Not to mention there is a draft ranking option, and of course you can always predraft.Like someone else said, not being aware of the rules is not an excuse.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

So what's the reason for the 6 hour rule?

 

[Go deep]

Its an online league with a 6 hour clock, plus the clock stops for 6 hours overnight. Rules state that if a player times out, he gets the next player on the MFL ADP list. Well, one team timed out after being on the clock for 12 hours and the ADP pick was Ben Tate. He complaind to the commish that he didnt know the clock was shut off for only 6 hours during the night, so the commish gave him a different player....after several other teams made their picks.Does anyone see this as a fair decision, the guy could have also predrafted before going to bed as well, so any way you slice it, its wrong...IMO. Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

what are the stakes? keeper? redraft? if it were a player that wasn't going to miss the entire season, i would agree... but in this case... him falling back a few spots, i, personally have no issue... if it were a suspension like cushing, or injury like Stafon Johnson, where they are most likely to come back.. maybe not as lenient.. and this guy should pay an idiot tax... maybe a forfeit of his last draft pick... some kind of penalty

Redraft, it is a money league, but not big money. I dont see how the guys injury would matter, the owner had 12 hours to make a pick, plus he could have predrafted. If he didnt want to get a player that was out for the year, he had every opportunity to do something about it.

 

[DoubleG]

Yep, bad move by the commish in my opinion. He should have been left with Tate. Preranking is there for that particular reason. The lack of preparation or knowledge of the rules should not be the determining factor in skirting the rules and, in essence, effecting every team's picks after that.

I agree with this...to a point.I do have a problem with any ranking system that would assign a player that is out for the year. Tate's ADP doesn't accurately reflect the fact that he is likely out for the year yet, as the injury just happened, so while the owner should get stuck with whoever is next on the list, the list the site is using is flawed at this point in time.

Yes, he should get stuck with the pick, but if the commish simply assigned the next guy on the ADP list (who presumably isn't out for the season) - I would be fine with it too.

 

[Go deep]

Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

So what's the reason for the 6 hour rule?

Each owner has 6 hours to pick, which is clearly stated in the rules. If the timer expires, that person receives the next player on the ADP list. The rules do not exclude players who are out for the year.

 

[noneother]

Its an online league with a 6 hour clock, plus the clock stops for 6 hours overnight. Rules state that if a player times out, he gets the next player on the MFL ADP list. Well, one team timed out after being on the clock for 12 hours and the ADP pick was Ben Tate. He complaind to the commish that he didnt know the clock was shut off for only 6 hours during the night, so the commish gave him a different player....after several other teams made their picks.Does anyone see this as a fair decision, the guy could have also predrafted before going to bed as well, so any way you slice it, its wrong...IMO. Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

what are the stakes? keeper? redraft? if it were a player that wasn't going to miss the entire season, i would agree... but in this case... him falling back a few spots, i, personally have no issue... if it were a suspension like cushing, or injury like Stafon Johnson, where they are most likely to come back.. maybe not as lenient.. and this guy should pay an idiot tax... maybe a forfeit of his last draft pick... some kind of penalty

Redraft, it is a money league, but not big money. I dont see how the guys injury would matter, the owner had 12 hours to make a pick, plus he could have predrafted. If he didnt want to get a player that was out for the year, he had every opportunity to do something about it.

seems you have your opinion.. not sure why you want ours... honestly, as a commish in one league, and co-commish in another.. It would be subjective, if this is a first round pick, I would go easy.. if this a 12th round pick, and the owners actions has demonstrated his "awareness" of the rules in the previous 11 rounds, I would be more stringent...

 

[DoubleG]

Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

So what's the reason for the 6 hour rule?

Each owner has 6 hours to pick, which is clearly stated in the rules. If the timer expires, that person receives the next player on the ADP list. The rules do not exclude players who are out for the year.

Unless this is a dynasty or keeper league, I found part of the problem

 

[Go deep]

Yep, bad move by the commish in my opinion. He should have been left with Tate. Preranking is there for that particular reason. The lack of preparation or knowledge of the rules should not be the determining factor in skirting the rules and, in essence, effecting every team's picks after that.

I agree with this...to a point.I do have a problem with any ranking system that would assign a player that is out for the year. Tate's ADP doesn't accurately reflect the fact that he is likely out for the year yet, as the injury just happened, so while the owner should get stuck with whoever is next on the list, the list the site is using is flawed at this point in time.

Yes, he should get stuck with the pick, but if the commish simply assigned the next guy on the ADP list (who presumably isn't out for the season) - I would be fine with it too.

I would agree, if it was stated in the rules.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

seems you have your opinion.. not sure why you want ours...

 

[LittlePhatty]

Commish: "Here are the rules regarding our draft. Everyone read them and make sure you understand."

Dude: "I either a) didn't bother to read the rules or b) read them, but didn't understand them and waited too late to ask for clarification, and as a result I messed up my draft."

Commish: "No problem, I'll give you a different player."

Hell no. It should have been:

Commish: "Sorry, those are the rules and everyone else is being held to them too."

 

[Go deep]

Its an online league with a 6 hour clock, plus the clock stops for 6 hours overnight. Rules state that if a player times out, he gets the next player on the MFL ADP list. Well, one team timed out after being on the clock for 12 hours and the ADP pick was Ben Tate. He complaind to the commish that he didnt know the clock was shut off for only 6 hours during the night, so the commish gave him a different player....after several other teams made their picks.Does anyone see this as a fair decision, the guy could have also predrafted before going to bed as well, so any way you slice it, its wrong...IMO. Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

what are the stakes? keeper? redraft? if it were a player that wasn't going to miss the entire season, i would agree... but in this case... him falling back a few spots, i, personally have no issue... if it were a suspension like cushing, or injury like Stafon Johnson, where they are most likely to come back.. maybe not as lenient.. and this guy should pay an idiot tax... maybe a forfeit of his last draft pick... some kind of penalty

Redraft, it is a money league, but not big money. I dont see how the guys injury would matter, the owner had 12 hours to make a pick, plus he could have predrafted. If he didnt want to get a player that was out for the year, he had every opportunity to do something about it.

seems you have your opinion.. not sure why you want ours... honestly, as a commish in one league, and co-commish in another.. It would be subjective, if this is a first round pick, I would go easy.. if this a 12th round pick, and the owners actions has demonstrated his "awareness" of the rules in the previous 11 rounds, I would be more stringent...

I do have my opinion, but i would like to hear others too, maybe someone will point out something i didnt consider. The pick was in the 13th round, not only did he time out after 12 hours of being on the clock, he almost timed out with his next pick as well.Had he showed up and appologized and said he spet the night in the hospital, i would understand. That wasnt the case however, not being around for 18 hours, and then blaming it on not knowing the clock was only turned off for 6 hours at night just doesnt cut it...IMO.

 

[DoubleG]

Yep, bad move by the commish in my opinion. He should have been left with Tate. Preranking is there for that particular reason. The lack of preparation or knowledge of the rules should not be the determining factor in skirting the rules and, in essence, effecting every team's picks after that.

I agree with this...to a point.I do have a problem with any ranking system that would assign a player that is out for the year. Tate's ADP doesn't accurately reflect the fact that he is likely out for the year yet, as the injury just happened, so while the owner should get stuck with whoever is next on the list, the list the site is using is flawed at this point in time.

Yes, he should get stuck with the pick, but if the commish simply assigned the next guy on the ADP list (who presumably isn't out for the season) - I would be fine with it too.

I would agree, if it was stated in the rules.

Common sense down?

Seriously, I get the need for rules and following them, etc. But there comes a point (and I think this is one of them) that if everyone had a chance to discuss this particular application of the rule, most everyone would agree that the point of the "chose from the ADP list" rule is to give him who most people would have taken at that point in the draft (i.e. keep it competitive and balanced, but let's move things along) - that rule is not designed to be "let's screw this guy by giving him someone that wont play, thus wasting one of his picks" - it's called following the spirit of the law instead of the letter of the law.

It's also called "sportsmanship".

 

[BroadwayG]

Kick them both out of the league.

 

[Dragon1952]

Commish: "Here are the rules regarding our draft. Everyone read them and make sure you understand."

Dude: "I either a) didn't bother to read the rules or b) read them, but didn't understand them and waited too late to ask for clarification, and as a result I messed up my draft."

Commish: "No problem, I'll give you a different player."

Hell no. It should have been:

Commish: "Sorry, those are the rules and everyone else is being held to them too."

Exactly. No excuse for not knowing the rules.

 

[Couch Potato]

Its an online league with a 6 hour clock, plus the clock stops for 6 hours overnight. Rules state that if a player times out, he gets the next player on the MFL ADP list. Well, one team timed out after being on the clock for 12 hours and the ADP pick was Ben Tate. He complaind to the commish that he didnt know the clock was shut off for only 6 hours during the night, so the commish gave him a different player....after several other teams made their picks.

Does anyone see this as a fair decision, the guy could have also predrafted before going to bed as well, so any way you slice it, its wrong...IMO.

Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

what are the stakes? keeper? redraft? if it were a player that wasn't going to miss the entire season, i would agree... but in this case... him falling back a few spots, i, personally have no issue... if it were a suspension like cushing, or injury like Stafon Johnson, where they are most likely to come back.. maybe not as lenient.. and this guy should pay an idiot tax... maybe a forfeit of his last draft pick... some kind of penalty

You don't make up new rules as you go along, so the bolded suggestion above makes no sense.As commish the job is generally to enforce the rules that are in place. BUT... part of the job IMO is using judgment when required. Judgment is required when rules are either unclear or have unfair and unforeseen/unanticipated consequences. Sometimes we get too hung up on the letter of the law when the spirit is what matters. Judges in our legal system have this flexibility in most instances and we should too. League rules weren't written by lawyers, everything can't be anticipated ahead of time, and this game is supposed to be fun. The punishment of a completely lost pick doesn't fit the "crime" in this case.

I'm sure when this ADP rule was established, its purpose was to give the time-busting owner the next best available player using ADP as guide, and the thought of the next ADP player being out for the season wasn't contemplated since it obviously defeats the purpose of the rule. So, IMO judgment requires skipping Tate as your Commish has done and giving him the next player on the list who is not out for the season like Tate is.

 

[Go deep]

Yep, bad move by the commish in my opinion. He should have been left with Tate. Preranking is there for that particular reason. The lack of preparation or knowledge of the rules should not be the determining factor in skirting the rules and, in essence, effecting every team's picks after that.

I agree with this...to a point.I do have a problem with any ranking system that would assign a player that is out for the year. Tate's ADP doesn't accurately reflect the fact that he is likely out for the year yet, as the injury just happened, so while the owner should get stuck with whoever is next on the list, the list the site is using is flawed at this point in time.

Yes, he should get stuck with the pick, but if the commish simply assigned the next guy on the ADP list (who presumably isn't out for the season) - I would be fine with it too.

I would agree, if it was stated in the rules.

Common sense down?

Seriously, I get the need for rules and following them, etc. But there comes a point (and I think this is one of them) that if everyone had a chance to discuss this particular application of the rule, most everyone would agree that the point of the "chose from the ADP list" rule is to give him who most people would have taken at that point in the draft (i.e. keep it competitive and balanced, but let's move things along) - that rule is not designed to be "let's screw this guy by giving him someone that wont play, thus wasting one of his picks" - it's called following the spirit of the law instead of the letter of the law.

It's also called "sportsmanship".

Im all for sportmanship, i would even be OK with moving his pick back a round, but the commish just giving him a different player after other teams had already picked just doesnt seem fair.

 

[ffguru56]

Yep, bad move by the commish in my opinion. He should have been left with Tate. Preranking is there for that particular reason. The lack of preparation or knowledge of the rules should not be the determining factor in skirting the rules and, in essence, effecting every team's picks after that.

I agree with this...to a point.I do have a problem with any ranking system that would assign a player that is out for the year. Tate's ADP doesn't accurately reflect the fact that he is likely out for the year yet, as the injury just happened, so while the owner should get stuck with whoever is next on the list, the list the site is using is flawed at this point in time.

Yes, he should get stuck with the pick, but if the commish simply assigned the next guy on the ADP list (who presumably isn't out for the season) - I would be fine with it too.

I see your point for sure, but for argumentative purposes, every list is flawed up until the exact time the draft occurs. Plus, the ranking system isn't used verbatim. Teams switch players around according to their own expectations and what have you. So the rankings are not set in stone. Knowing that, a team should rearrange their predraft rankings accordingly.

I suppose if I was actually in this scenario, being a pick where you would be getting a valued player, I would have paused the draft and put the matter up for a league vote and continue the draft time after the results were found.

 

[CalBear]

It's hard to see who is damaged by giving the guy a replacement pick after several others have picked already. Do you really prefer to win because someone auto-drafted a guy who's out for the year?

Rules are rules, sure. The #1 rule in my league is, "We're in this to have fun." Sticking someone with an IR player because his draft timed out is not fun for anyone. Let him replace it.

[in related news, most people think that giving Dustin Johnson a penalty was a mistake--and that's with $1M on the line.]

 

[Go deep]

Its an online league with a 6 hour clock, plus the clock stops for 6 hours overnight. Rules state that if a player times out, he gets the next player on the MFL ADP list. Well, one team timed out after being on the clock for 12 hours and the ADP pick was Ben Tate. He complaind to the commish that he didnt know the clock was shut off for only 6 hours during the night, so the commish gave him a different player....after several other teams made their picks.

Does anyone see this as a fair decision, the guy could have also predrafted before going to bed as well, so any way you slice it, its wrong...IMO.

Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

what are the stakes? keeper? redraft? if it were a player that wasn't going to miss the entire season, i would agree... but in this case... him falling back a few spots, i, personally have no issue... if it were a suspension like cushing, or injury like Stafon Johnson, where they are most likely to come back.. maybe not as lenient.. and this guy should pay an idiot tax... maybe a forfeit of his last draft pick... some kind of penalty

You don't make up new rules as you go along, so the bolded suggestion above makes no sense.As commish the job is generally to enforce the rules that are in place. BUT... part of the job IMO is using judgment when required. Judgment is required when rules are either unclear or have unfair and unforeseen/unanticipated consequences. Sometimes we get too hung up on the letter of the law when the spirit is what matters. Judges in our legal system have this flexibility in most instances and we should too. League rules weren't written by lawyers, everything can't be anticipated ahead of time, and this game is supposed to be fun. The punishment of a completely lost pick doesn't fit the "crime" in this case.

I'm sure when this ADP rule was established, its purpose was to give the time-busting owner the next best available player using ADP as guide, and the thought of the next ADP player being out for the season wasn't contemplated since it obviously defeats the purpose of the rule. So, IMO judgment requires skipping Tate as your Commish has done and giving him the next player on the list who is not out for the season like Tate is.

Seems like you are rewarding a guy for not showing up for 18 hours when he knows he has a 6 hour clock. What would have happened if someone predrafted Tate before they went to bad. While they slept, the news came out that Tate was out for the season. Before he wakes up, his predraft goes through and he gets Tate. Should he be given a different player? So the guy who follows the rules gets stuck with Tate, but the guy who doesnt get a replacement pick?

 

[noneother]

Its an online league with a 6 hour clock, plus the clock stops for 6 hours overnight. Rules state that if a player times out, he gets the next player on the MFL ADP list. Well, one team timed out after being on the clock for 12 hours and the ADP pick was Ben Tate. He complaind to the commish that he didnt know the clock was shut off for only 6 hours during the night, so the commish gave him a different player....after several other teams made their picks.

Does anyone see this as a fair decision, the guy could have also predrafted before going to bed as well, so any way you slice it, its wrong...IMO.

Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

what are the stakes? keeper? redraft? if it were a player that wasn't going to miss the entire season, i would agree... but in this case... him falling back a few spots, i, personally have no issue... if it were a suspension like cushing, or injury like Stafon Johnson, where they are most likely to come back.. maybe not as lenient.. and this guy should pay an idiot tax... maybe a forfeit of his last draft pick... some kind of penalty

You don't make up new rules as you go along, so the bolded suggestion above makes no sense.As commish the job is generally to enforce the rules that are in place. BUT... part of the job IMO is using judgment when required. Judgment is required when rules are either unclear or have unfair and unforeseen/unanticipated consequences. Sometimes we get too hung up on the letter of the law when the spirit is what matters. Judges in our legal system have this flexibility in most instances and we should too. League rules weren't written by lawyers, everything can't be anticipated ahead of time, and this game is supposed to be fun. The punishment of a completely lost pick doesn't fit the "crime" in this case.

I'm sure when this ADP rule was established, its purpose was to give the time-busting owner the next best available player using ADP as guide, and the thought of the next ADP player being out for the season wasn't contemplated since it obviously defeats the purpose of the rule. So, IMO judgment requires skipping Tate as your Commish has done and giving him the next player on the list who is not out for the season like Tate is.

so we agree on the solution as it was implemented.. re: recommendation of an idiot tax, you are right, adding rules at this point is not appropriate... yet, this event may establish precedent for future rules that allow should this type of situation happen again to have repercussions in the future..

 

[CalBear]

Im all for sportmanship, i would even be OK with moving his pick back a round, but the commish just giving him a different player after other teams had already picked just doesnt seem fair.

Fair to who? He's already missed out on a number of players he could have drafted. The people beneath him wouldn't have drafted Ben Tate. The people who haven't drafted yet have the exact same number of people drafting ahead of them as they already did.

 

[ffguru56]

Yep, bad move by the commish in my opinion. He should have been left with Tate. Preranking is there for that particular reason. The lack of preparation or knowledge of the rules should not be the determining factor in skirting the rules and, in essence, effecting every team's picks after that.

I agree with this...to a point.I do have a problem with any ranking system that would assign a player that is out for the year. Tate's ADP doesn't accurately reflect the fact that he is likely out for the year yet, as the injury just happened, so while the owner should get stuck with whoever is next on the list, the list the site is using is flawed at this point in time.

Yes, he should get stuck with the pick, but if the commish simply assigned the next guy on the ADP list (who presumably isn't out for the season) - I would be fine with it too.

I would agree, if it was stated in the rules.

Common sense down?

Seriously, I get the need for rules and following them, etc. But there comes a point (and I think this is one of them) that if everyone had a chance to discuss this particular application of the rule, most everyone would agree that the point of the "chose from the ADP list" rule is to give him who most people would have taken at that point in the draft (i.e. keep it competitive and balanced, but let's move things along) - that rule is not designed to be "let's screw this guy by giving him someone that wont play, thus wasting one of his picks" - it's called following the spirit of the law instead of the letter of the law.

It's also called "sportsmanship".

Great point.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

whatever spin you want put on it....bottom line.....the guy is getting bailed out for not taking care of his own business....that is not fair to the owners that take the time to take care of their business.....

 

[Go deep]

Im all for sportmanship, i would even be OK with moving his pick back a round, but the commish just giving him a different player after other teams had already picked just doesnt seem fair.

Fair to who? He's already missed out on a number of players he could have drafted. The people beneath him wouldn't have drafted Ben Tate. The people who haven't drafted yet have the exact same number of people drafting ahead of them as they already did.

Fair to the people who are following the rules. Im not in this league, but if this happened to me and i got stuck with Tate because i didnt follow the rules, i would only blame myself, and would never expect a replacement pick.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

seems you have your opinion.. not sure why you want ours...

 

[ffguru56]

There's obviously different perspectives on the case and each side has appropriate points whether it was a bad move because he didn't follow the rules or it was a good move to maintain the spirit of the league. Perhaps now you can gather that maybe there's really no correct answer and it's simply a matter of the perspective of the commish, and inherently the league. So maybe if the league is run in ways you don't like then consider joining a different league?

However, EVERY league will have their problems that are to be debated. When they arise, then discuss them as a league and adopt an amendment to the league's Constitution based on everyone's perspective of the issue.

 

[Giants4Life]

If you put such a rule in, and you are not going to follow the rule, then what is the point of putting such a rule in to begin with?

 

[latrops]

Its an online league with a 6 hour clock, plus the clock stops for 6 hours overnight. Rules state that if a player times out, he gets the next player on the MFL ADP list. Well, one team timed out after being on the clock for 12 hours and the ADP pick was Ben Tate. He complaind to the commish that he didnt know the clock was shut off for only 6 hours during the night, so the commish gave him a different player....after several other teams made their picks.Does anyone see this as a fair decision, the guy could have predrafted before going to bed as well, so any way you slice it, its wrong...IMO. Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

Should the commish have reversed the pick? Probably not.Would I get my panties in a wad over it? No.Ideally, your league should have a way to deal with these little controversies that come up. For example, my main league puts things to a vote. If your league is "commish decides"...then just accept it. You can decide not to return next year if the rules are too soft for your liking.

 

[Dragon1952]

Too many people go AWOL in these slow drafts as it is. They screw it up for everyone else because FF is so far down on their priority list. I don't feel sorry for the guy at all. If you can't put other things on the back burner for a few minutes during the draft, don't play at all.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

Is one of the rules that the Commissioner is tasked with interpreting and enforcing the rules?If this is a high-stakes league among serious players, I'd follow the rules to the letter. He should have predrafted if there was any possibility of timing out.If this is a friendly league without a lot of money at stake, I'd follow the spirit of the rules. (I.e., if the point of the league is to have fun, try not to ruin the fun by upsetting the competitive balance at the outset.) The idea is to give him the best available player according to a neutral, public source. Crossing guys off the list if they are out for the year seems sensible. (What if they are out for only half the year? I don't know.)

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Im all for sportmanship, i would even be OK with moving his pick back a round, but the commish just giving him a different player after other teams had already picked just doesnt seem fair.

Fair to who? He's already missed out on a number of players he could have drafted. The people beneath him wouldn't have drafted Ben Tate. The people who haven't drafted yet have the exact same number of people drafting ahead of them as they already did.

Fair to the people who are following the rules. Im not in this league, but if this happened to me and i got stuck with Tate because i didnt follow the rules, i would only blame myself, and would never expect a replacement pick.

I agree here...although it is not so much that he didn't follow the rules, he just didn't do what he needed to do to keep this from happening to him......obviously dude was going to settle for whatever the computer gave him......he just didn't think it would give him a guy that was out for the year and now he is pissed.......to me, that is a gamble you take when you kind of say screw it I just take whoever they give me........

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

It's hard to see who is damaged by giving the guy a replacement pick after several others have picked already. Do you really prefer to win because someone auto-drafted a guy who's out for the year?Rules are rules, sure. The #1 rule in my league is, "We're in this to have fun." Sticking someone with an IR player because his draft timed out is not fun for anyone. Let him replace it.[in related news, most people think that giving Dustin Johnson a penalty was a mistake--and that's with $1M on the line.]

i don't like the idea of bailing out a guy who can't be bothered to make a pick in the time allotted.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Just don't be THAT GUY, the one that pisses and moans and then quits walking pirched on their judgemental soap box.

It was lame what the commish did but it's small money so just let it go, let other members do the pissing and moaning, take the high road.

 

[Go deep]

Its an online league with a 6 hour clock, plus the clock stops for 6 hours overnight. Rules state that if a player times out, he gets the next player on the MFL ADP list. Well, one team timed out after being on the clock for 12 hours and the ADP pick was Ben Tate. He complaind to the commish that he didnt know the clock was shut off for only 6 hours during the night, so the commish gave him a different player....after several other teams made their picks.

Does anyone see this as a fair decision, the guy could have predrafted before going to bed as well, so any way you slice it, its wrong...IMO.

Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

Should the commish have reversed the pick? Probably not.Would I get my panties in a wad over it? No.

Ideally, your league should have a way to deal with these little controversies that come up. For example, my main league puts things to a vote. If your league is "commish decides"...then just accept it. You can decide not to return next year if the rules are too soft for your liking.

Im not in the league where this happened, but i do play in these leagues. I wont be participating in them next year if the commish doesnt reverse his decision(Which i believe he is considering at this point).As a matter of fact, in one of these leagues i did last month, i forgot the league started and had my first round pick made for me from the ADP list. It wasnt a player who was out for the year, but it was certainly not a player i would have chosen. I didnt complain, it was my fault i forgot the league started that day, so i rightfully got stuck with the player.

Im all for sportsmanship, but losing his 13th round pick isnt gong to kill his team, but maybe he will be more careful to predraft, or at least make sure he checks in more. This could have easily been prevented had he followed the rules, like every other team has done to this point.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Its an online league with a 6 hour clock, plus the clock stops for 6 hours overnight. Rules state that if a player times out, he gets the next player on the MFL ADP list. Well, one team timed out after being on the clock for 12 hours and the ADP pick was Ben Tate. He complaind to the commish that he didnt know the clock was shut off for only 6 hours during the night, so the commish gave him a different player....after several other teams made their picks.Does anyone see this as a fair decision, the guy could have predrafted before going to bed as well, so any way you slice it, its wrong...IMO. Rules are there for a reason, no exceptions.

Should the commish have reversed the pick? Probably not.Would I get my panties in a wad over it? No.Ideally, your league should have a way to deal with these little controversies that come up. For example, my main league puts things to a vote. If your league is "commish decides"...then just accept it. You can decide not to return next year if the rules are too soft for your liking.

 

[SSOG]

Yep, bad move by the commish in my opinion. He should have been left with Tate. Preranking is there for that particular reason. The lack of preparation or knowledge of the rules should not be the determining factor in skirting the rules and, in essence, effecting every team's picks after that.

I agree with this...to a point.I do have a problem with any ranking system that would assign a player that is out for the year. Tate's ADP doesn't accurately reflect the fact that he is likely out for the year yet, as the injury just happened, so while the owner should get stuck with whoever is next on the list, the list the site is using is flawed at this point in time.

Yes, he should get stuck with the pick, but if the commish simply assigned the next guy on the ADP list (who presumably isn't out for the season) - I would be fine with it too.

I would agree, if it was stated in the rules.

If rules were capable of covering everything, leagues wouldn't need commissioners. I'd much rather have a commissioner who enforced the spirit of the rule than one who enforced the letter of the law... and it seems clear to me that the SPIRIT of that rule is that if you don't pick, you get stuck with someone you might not have wanted... but also someone who is at worst a mildly decent draft pick (hence the "pick whoever has the highest ADP" and not "leave the roster spot empty" or "pick whoever has the lowest ADP"). In this situation, the spirit of the rule was violated- the owner was not left with a software-selected player of reasonable value- so I have no problem with the Commish using his discretion to rectify the situation.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Yep, bad move by the commish in my opinion. He should have been left with Tate. Preranking is there for that particular reason. The lack of preparation or knowledge of the rules should not be the determining factor in skirting the rules and, in essence, effecting every team's picks after that.

I agree with this...to a point.I do have a problem with any ranking system that would assign a player that is out for the year. Tate's ADP doesn't accurately reflect the fact that he is likely out for the year yet, as the injury just happened, so while the owner should get stuck with whoever is next on the list, the list the site is using is flawed at this point in time.

Yes, he should get stuck with the pick, but if the commish simply assigned the next guy on the ADP list (who presumably isn't out for the season) - I would be fine with it too.

I would agree, if it was stated in the rules.

If rules were capable of covering everything, leagues wouldn't need commissioners. I'd much rather have a commissioner who enforced the spirit of the rule than one who enforced the letter of the law... and it seems clear to me that the SPIRIT of that rule is that if you don't pick, you get stuck with someone you might not have wanted... but also someone who is at worst a mildly decent draft pick (hence the "pick whoever has the highest ADP" and not "leave the roster spot empty" or "pick whoever has the lowest ADP"). In this situation, the spirit of the rule was violated- the owner was not left with a software-selected player of reasonable value- so I have no problem with the Commish using his discretion to rectify the situation.

 

[Go deep]

Well, the Commish made his decision, and he is giving the owner a replacement pick. I dont agree with the ruling, but i understand it. There is really nothing i can do about it, other than not particiapting in the leagues anymore. Its too bad though, i really enjoyed them and have been doing them for a long time.

 

[Clifford]

Voted yes because ultimately this hobby is about having fun and encouraging good competition, not draft clock rules. I think that was a fair compromise by the commish which will ultimately lead to more fun for everyone. Also, MFL obviously had not updated their list according to recent injury.

 

[Clifford]

Yep, bad move by the commish in my opinion. He should have been left with Tate. Preranking is there for that particular reason. The lack of preparation or knowledge of the rules should not be the determining factor in skirting the rules and, in essence, effecting every team's picks after that.

I agree with this...to a point.I do have a problem with any ranking system that would assign a player that is out for the year. Tate's ADP doesn't accurately reflect the fact that he is likely out for the year yet, as the injury just happened, so while the owner should get stuck with whoever is next on the list, the list the site is using is flawed at this point in time.

Yes, he should get stuck with the pick, but if the commish simply assigned the next guy on the ADP list (who presumably isn't out for the season) - I would be fine with it too.

I would agree, if it was stated in the rules.

Common sense down?

Seriously, I get the need for rules and following them, etc. But there comes a point (and I think this is one of them) that if everyone had a chance to discuss this particular application of the rule, most everyone would agree that the point of the "chose from the ADP list" rule is to give him who most people would have taken at that point in the draft (i.e. keep it competitive and balanced, but let's move things along) - that rule is not designed to be "let's screw this guy by giving him someone that wont play, thus wasting one of his picks" - it's called following the spirit of the law instead of the letter of the law.

It's also called "sportsmanship".

 

[yellowdog]

Who was the replacement player?

 

[geoff8695]

It's hard to see who is damaged by giving the guy a replacement pick after several others have picked already. Do you really prefer to win because someone auto-drafted a guy who's out for the year?Rules are rules, sure. The #1 rule in my league is, "We're in this to have fun." Sticking someone with an IR player because his draft timed out is not fun for anyone. Let him replace it.[in related news, most people think that giving Dustin Johnson a penalty was a mistake--and that's with $1M on the line.]

THISDoubleG and CalBear get IT.This is entertainment and a hobby, it shouldn't be treated like a full time job or Wall Street investment, but that's just my opinion... Counting on somebody getting screwed over with an IR player just to gain an advantage is not cool. As long as no one's draft picks were taken off the board, no harm and no foul.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Yep, bad move by the commish in my opinion. He should have been left with Tate. Preranking is there for that particular reason. The lack of preparation or knowledge of the rules should not be the determining factor in skirting the rules and, in essence, effecting every team's picks after that.

I agree with this...to a point.I do have a problem with any ranking system that would assign a player that is out for the year. Tate's ADP doesn't accurately reflect the fact that he is likely out for the year yet, as the injury just happened, so while the owner should get stuck with whoever is next on the list, the list the site is using is flawed at this point in time.

Yes, he should get stuck with the pick, but if the commish simply assigned the next guy on the ADP list (who presumably isn't out for the season) - I would be fine with it too.

I would agree, if it was stated in the rules.

If rules were capable of covering everything, leagues wouldn't need commissioners. I'd much rather have a commissioner who enforced the spirit of the rule than one who enforced the letter of the law... and it seems clear to me that the SPIRIT of that rule is that if you don't pick, you get stuck with someone you might not have wanted... but also someone who is at worst a mildly decent draft pick (hence the "pick whoever has the highest ADP" and not "leave the roster spot empty" or "pick whoever has the lowest ADP"). In this situation, the spirit of the rule was violated- the owner was not left with a software-selected player of reasonable value- so I have no problem with the Commish using his discretion to rectify the situation.

where do you draw the line.....what if it was a player that was going to miss 8 games, 6 games, 10 games.....12 games.....4 games...what if it was Vincent Jackson......?...Glenn Coffee...?dude was obviously going to settle for whatever player was given to him......the risk you take for settling on what the ADP will give you........

IMO.....the major role of a commish is to maintain the competitive balance of the league.......some would argue that bailing out the owner in this situation maintains the competitive balance of the league......I would argue the exact opposite

 

[Go deep]

Voted yes because ultimately this hobby is about having fun and encouraging good competition, not draft clock rules. I think that was a fair compromise by the commish which will ultimately lead to more fun for everyone. Also, MFL obviously had not updated their list according to recent injury.

How can you have good fun, fair competition if some people dont follow the rules. Why bother having rules if they are not going to be enforced?