Thomas Jones/Jamaal Charles (1 Viewer)

[SieteCinco]

When will the coaches start giving Charles the carries he deserves? Here are the stats halfway through the game against the Raiders:

Thomas Jones - 11 carries, 8 yards (with a long of 7!!)

Jamaal Charles - 4 carries, 16 yards (Long of 6)

Charles total yardage isn't much better, but he's the type of guy if given enough touches, he'll break some long runs.

PS: Yes, frustrated Charles owner here, but I'm just not understanding this, especially after Charles' game last week.

 

[cvnpoka]

charles will get his 15-20 touches. lots of football left this game.

 

[Ping Pong]

Final stats:

Thomas Jones - 19 carries, 32 yards, 1 fumble (1.68 ypc)

Jamaal Charles - 10 carries, 53 yards, 5 catches, 47 yards, 0 fumble (5.3 ypc)

It's unbelievable that TJ is getting the work he does at the expense of Charles. At least he's getting involved in the passing game, but there should be no reason to have Jones carry twice as much as Charles when it's so obvious Charles is much much better. Hopefully the loss this week will make the coaching staff sit back and figure out what they're doing wrong.

 

[SieteCinco]

Haley must be thinking about all of us and trying to keep him fresh for the Fantasy Playoffs.

 

[Ladsud]

Its impressive he still put up a 100 yards while sitting on the sideline watching Jones run wild. Are either of these guys a FA next year?

 

[ponchsox]

Dream matchup against the Broncos next week.

 

[Romofan]

Screw Haley... I thought after last week things would be different. But once again he proves he's an ###..... and for fantasy it is a guessing game who will get the carries.

I benched Hillis for Charles this week and got "Haley-ed".

 

[fruity pebbles]

Chiefs deserved to lose this game giving TJ 20 carries at a yard and a half a pop.

 

[Mello]

Screw Haley... I thought after last week things would be different. But once again he proves he's an ###..... and for fantasy it is a guessing game who will get the carries. I benched Hillis for Charles this week and got "Haley-ed".

 

[meatwad1]

At the very least, Haley will be having to answer some hard questions this week....brutal loss that should have a win.

 

[cvnpoka]

in haleys defense, charles came up lame multiple times. not really sure what the problem was, seemed like a charley horse or got the wind knocked out. he seemed to lack his usual burst on the play where he tried to cut back and huff tackled him. charles still got 15 touches and still had a viable fantasy game. hes always a threat to bust one, but it hasnt come to fruition yet, i think it will. i gotta love a dude who puts up 10 fpts for a bad game.

 

[theglorydays]

in haleys defense, charles came up lame multiple times. not really sure what the problem was, seemed like a charley horse or got the wind knocked out. he seemed to lack his usual burst on the play where he tried to cut back and huff tackled him. charles still got 15 touches and still had a viable fantasy game. hes always a threat to bust one, but it hasnt come to fruition yet, i think it will. i gotta love a dude who puts up 10 fpts for a bad game.

He hobbled off against the Bills when the chiefs were about to line up for the game winning fg but i didn't see him listed on the injury report at all this week. He didn't seem 100% today.

 

[Romofan]

Screw Haley... I thought after last week things would be different. But once again he proves he's an ###..... and for fantasy it is a guessing game who will get the carries. I benched Hillis for Charles this week and got "Haley-ed".

Just saying - he shouldn't be thought of as a RB1 even though he has Chris Johnson skillz as long as he has Haley is his coach. Reminds me of Childress trading away Rosenfels becasue he couldn't admit his mistake with Tavaris....Now Haley wants to prove a point even if it costs his team WINS....He has a ferrarri in the garage but insists on driving the minivan around town....and wonders why he can't scorewhat a chump...

 

[Chaka]

A lot of people in this thread don't understand much about real football.

 

[Ping Pong]

A lot of people in this thread don't understand much about real football.

Are you suggesting running Thomas Jones 19 times at 1.6 ypc is good for a "real" football team? Or maybe that defenders get "tired out" by tackling Thomas Jones at the line of scrimmage?

 

[Romofan]

A lot of people in this thread don't understand much about real football.

Are you suggesting running Thomas Jones 19 times at 1.6 ypc is good for a "real" football team? Or maybe that defenders get "tired out" by tackling Thomas Jones at the line of scrimmage?

 

[Chaka]

A lot of people in this thread don't understand much about real football.

Are you suggesting running Thomas Jones 19 times at 1.6 ypc is good for a "real" football team? Or maybe that defenders get "tired out" by tackling Thomas Jones at the line of scrimmage?

I'm saying people don't truly understand what is involved with six days of establishing a game plan and trying to enact what you practiced all week.There is too much coaching for fantasy teams going on in here.

 

[cvnpoka]

A lot of people in this thread don't understand much about real football.

Are you suggesting running Thomas Jones 19 times at 1.6 ypc is good for a "real" football team? Or maybe that defenders get "tired out" by tackling Thomas Jones at the line of scrimmage?

I'm saying people don't truly understand what is involved with six days of establishing a game plan and trying to enact what you practiced all week.There is too much coaching for fantasy teams going on in here.

well, i think this is a case that extends beyond fantasy. i am positive most chiefs fans would prefer to charles to get a larger bulk of the carries. as would most casual, non ff, fans. charles carried them to the win last week vs buffalo. it was a fantastic performance. anyway, its tautological to just assume coaches are always correct.and tbc, i think shifting 3-5 carries from jones to charles would be beneficial for the chiefs.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

A lot of people in this thread don't understand much about real football.

Are you suggesting running Thomas Jones 19 times at 1.6 ypc is good for a "real" football team? Or maybe that defenders get "tired out" by tackling Thomas Jones at the line of scrimmage?

I'm saying people don't truly understand what is involved with six days of establishing a game plan and trying to enact what you practiced all week.There is too much coaching for fantasy teams going on in here.

You aren't making any sense. The point is that the game planning all week should be geared towards getting their best player the football. Rather than losing a game that they should have won because they kept rolling Jones out there to get stuffed. Hell, Jones even fumbled today and they still keep feeding him. Jamaal Charles is quite possibly the best RB in the league... he proves his worth week in and week out... and yet their coach seems to be the only person who doesn't understand what best for his team.I am glad that they lost because of it. I root for that team too... but he deserves to lose for being too damn stubborn to change his ways.

 

[SieteCinco]

I understand things are different for them, as stats don't mean a thing and its just about winning, but Charles is playing even better than he did last year.

Once he broke out week 10 of last year, he compiled these stats:

2009 Stats:

Week 10: 117 Total Yards - 1 TD (22 touches)

Week 11: 66 Total Yards - 1 TD (19 touches)

Week 12: 147 Total Yards - 1 TD (17 touches)

Week 13: 61 Total Yards - 1 TD (19 touches)

Week 14: 181 Total Yards - 1 TD (27 touches)

Week 15: 170 Total Yards - 1 TD (27 touches)

Week 16: 144 Total Yards - 0 TD (27 touches)

Week 17: 262 Total Yards - 2 TDs (26 touches)

Rushing YPC Average = 5.9 / Receiving YPC Average = 7.4

In 2009, if you gave him enough chances, he would break one every game.

2010 Stats:

Week 1: 100 Total Yards - 1 TD (12 touches)

Week 2: 76 Total Yards - 0 TD (12 touches)

Week 3: 154 Total Yards - 0 TD (15 touches)

Week 5: 101 Total Yards - 0 TD (19 touches)

Week 6: 117 Total Yards - 0 TD (20 touches)

Week 7 71 Total Yards - 1 TD (15 carries)

Week 8: 238 Total Yards - 0 TD (26 carries)

Week 9: 100 Total Yards - 0 TD (15 touches)

Rushing YPC Average = 6.5 / Receiving YPC Average = 11.9

If he's playing even better than last year, (averaging the highest yards per touch average of any NFL RB in history so far) why wouldn't they give him the ball more? I know Jones is doing OK, but its just mind boggling Jones continues to be the feature back. Especially when you can see they know who the better option of the two is (Bring Charles in on long downs or when they're behind and need to catch up, or OT like today)

My only guess it they are concerned about him holding up?

 

[Ping Pong]

A lot of people in this thread don't understand much about real football.

Are you suggesting running Thomas Jones 19 times at 1.6 ypc is good for a "real" football team? Or maybe that defenders get "tired out" by tackling Thomas Jones at the line of scrimmage?

I'm saying people don't truly understand what is involved with six days of establishing a game plan and trying to enact what you practiced all week.There is too much coaching for fantasy teams going on in here.

I'm not an NFL coach, but I fail to see how swapping one back for the other really affects game plans. Some plays may be designed with a certain back in mind, but both backs are capable runners. And you really think it's better coaching to keep pounding away with a "gameplan" that's ineffective than to adapt to what's working in game? And it's not like the Chiefs just discovered Charles. He has been an electric runner and clearly the best player on their team since Week 10 of last year. Failing to gameplan for Charles is one of the biggest failures of the Chiefs brass.

 

[meatwad1]

Yeah...Haley lovers are in for a total fail. There is no explaining the ineptitude of thisnguy at this point.

 

[meatwad1]

See Andy Reid for a coach that knows when to swallow pride and go with the true talent.

 

[mozzy84]

Yeah...Haley lovers are in for a total fail. There is no explaining the ineptitude of thisnguy at this point.

makes no sense and I don't own charles. If I were a chiefs fan I would be pissed.

 

[Chaka]

A lot of people in this thread don't understand much about real football.

Are you suggesting running Thomas Jones 19 times at 1.6 ypc is good for a "real" football team? Or maybe that defenders get "tired out" by tackling Thomas Jones at the line of scrimmage?

I'm saying people don't truly understand what is involved with six days of establishing a game plan and trying to enact what you practiced all week.There is too much coaching for fantasy teams going on in here.

well, i think this is a case that extends beyond fantasy. i am positive most chiefs fans would prefer to charles to get a larger bulk of the carries. as would most casual, non ff, fans. charles carried them to the win last week vs buffalo. it was a fantastic performance. anyway, its tautological to just assume coaches are always correct.and tbc, i think shifting 3-5 carries from jones to charles would be beneficial for the chiefs.

From everything I have seen on the field I think it is obvious that the Chiefs need to get Charles the ball more. That means squat to the coaches who obviously see something differently.And I don't assume the coaches are always correct, but I know that they usually stick to their guns. Right or wrong that's what they do.

 

[Chaka]

A lot of people in this thread don't understand much about real football.

Are you suggesting running Thomas Jones 19 times at 1.6 ypc is good for a "real" football team? Or maybe that defenders get "tired out" by tackling Thomas Jones at the line of scrimmage?

I'm saying people don't truly understand what is involved with six days of establishing a game plan and trying to enact what you practiced all week.There is too much coaching for fantasy teams going on in here.

You aren't making any sense. The point is that the game planning all week should be geared towards getting their best player the football. Rather than losing a game that they should have won because they kept rolling Jones out there to get stuffed. Hell, Jones even fumbled today and they still keep feeding him. Jamaal Charles is quite possibly the best RB in the league... he proves his worth week in and week out... and yet their coach seems to be the only person who doesn't understand what best for his team.I am glad that they lost because of it. I root for that team too... but he deserves to lose for being too damn stubborn to change his ways.

That is not even remotely the point of game planning. The point is to put your team in the best position to win games. I agree that it seems incomprehensible why Haley doesn't game plan to get Charles the ball more but the fact is that Haley wants to win games more than you want Charles to get points and Haley, right or wrong, thinks that an even mix (even favoring TJ) gives the Chief the best chance to win games. There is a reason that he is a head coach and he has seemingly turned the culture of the Chiefs around in less than two seasons and made them a competitive team with big upside. I'm sorry if he hurts your fantasy team but I think he has an idea of what he thinks gives the Chiefs the best chance to win. Their record supports that conclusion.From my perspective I think as the season progresses we will see Charles getting a higher percentage of touches than TJ. But who knows?

 

[cvnpoka]

tautology itt

 

[Rick James]

A lot of people in this thread don't understand much about real football.

Are you suggesting running Thomas Jones 19 times at 1.6 ypc is good for a "real" football team? Or maybe that defenders get "tired out" by tackling Thomas Jones at the line of scrimmage?

I'm saying people don't truly understand what is involved with six days of establishing a game plan and trying to enact what you practiced all week.There is too much coaching for fantasy teams going on in here.

You aren't making any sense. The point is that the game planning all week should be geared towards getting their best player the football. Rather than losing a game that they should have won because they kept rolling Jones out there to get stuffed. Hell, Jones even fumbled today and they still keep feeding him. Jamaal Charles is quite possibly the best RB in the league... he proves his worth week in and week out... and yet their coach seems to be the only person who doesn't understand what best for his team.I am glad that they lost because of it. I root for that team too... but he deserves to lose for being too damn stubborn to change his ways.

That is not even remotely the point of game planning. The point is to put your team in the best position to win games. I agree that it seems incomprehensible why Haley doesn't game plan to get Charles the ball more but the fact is that Haley wants to win games more than you want Charles to get points and Haley, right or wrong, thinks that an even mix (even favoring TJ) gives the Chief the best chance to win games. There is a reason that he is a head coach and he has seemingly turned the culture of the Chiefs around in less than two seasons and made them a competitive team with big upside. I'm sorry if he hurts your fantasy team but I think he has an idea of what he thinks gives the Chiefs the best chance to win. Their record supports that conclusion.From my perspective I think as the season progresses we will see Charles getting a higher percentage of touches than TJ. But who knows?

Anytime you can gameplan to feed the ball to your #1 RB, who's averaging 1.8 YPC, you gotta do it.

 

[Chaka]

Anytime you can gameplan to feed the ball to your #1 RB, who's averaging 1.8 YPC, you gotta do it.

Your response exemplifies my first post.

A lot of people in this thread don't understand much about real football.

 

[Nugget]

Charles can't handle a full load for 16 games. I trust the KC coaches are doing there best to win games. I think they know more about the situation then we do.

 

[Rick James]

Why can't he handle the load? Does he have a past marred with injuries?

 

[Chaka]

Why can't he handle the load? Does he have a past marred with injuries?

Perhaps he sucks in pass protection.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

A lot of people in this thread don't understand much about real football.

Are you suggesting running Thomas Jones 19 times at 1.6 ypc is good for a "real" football team? Or maybe that defenders get "tired out" by tackling Thomas Jones at the line of scrimmage?

I'm saying people don't truly understand what is involved with six days of establishing a game plan and trying to enact what you practiced all week.There is too much coaching for fantasy teams going on in here.

You aren't making any sense. The point is that the game planning all week should be geared towards getting their best player the football. Rather than losing a game that they should have won because they kept rolling Jones out there to get stuffed. Hell, Jones even fumbled today and they still keep feeding him. Jamaal Charles is quite possibly the best RB in the league... he proves his worth week in and week out... and yet their coach seems to be the only person who doesn't understand what best for his team.I am glad that they lost because of it. I root for that team too... but he deserves to lose for being too damn stubborn to change his ways.

That is not even remotely the point of game planning. The point is to put your team in the best position to win games. I agree that it seems incomprehensible why Haley doesn't game plan to get Charles the ball more but the fact is that Haley wants to win games more than you want Charles to get points and Haley, right or wrong, thinks that an even mix (even favoring TJ) gives the Chief the best chance to win games. There is a reason that he is a head coach and he has seemingly turned the culture of the Chiefs around in less than two seasons and made them a competitive team with big upside. I'm sorry if he hurts your fantasy team but I think he has an idea of what he thinks gives the Chiefs the best chance to win. Their record supports that conclusion.From my perspective I think as the season progresses we will see Charles getting a higher percentage of touches than TJ. But who knows?

You still aren't making any sense, AT ALL. None of us are waterheads... we understand what "gameplanning" is... and we understand that Haley's job is to give them the best chance to win. THAT IS WHY HE SHOULD BE GIVING THE BALL TO CHARLES! Clearly, if he thinks that giving the ball to Jones more is a better idea... then he probably shouldn't be coaching in the NFL. This is why they lost today, and this is why they aren't even better than they already are. Even in their first game they only won because of a big play from Charles, and special teams. The only thing that he is accomplishing by pounding away with T. Jones is a bunch of 3 and outs... stalled drives... and losses that should be wins.

 

[Mad Mike Martz]

Why can't he handle the load? Does he have a past marred with injuries?

There is an incorrect misconception that backs like Charles and Chris Johnson are more prone to injury. Charles is no more of an injury risk than any other starting NFL running back.Charles is one of the best backs in the league, easily top 5. Hopefully the loss shows Haley he needs to give the ball to Charles more and that there is no reason to give Jones more than 40% of the carries.To the people saying those that call for more carries for Charles don't understand real football, get your head out of your ###. Charles is clearly the better back and there is really no comparison. Feeding Jones the ball over Charles does not increase the team's chances of winning at all. Please explain if you think somehow giving Jones the ball gives them a better chance to win. And to the 'gameplan' comments, it is ridiculous to plan on giving Jones more carries then Charles. Even if they came into the game planning to run Jones 20+ times, they should have abandoned that when his first 11 carries went for 8 yards (again, with a LONG OF 7.)

 

[cvnpoka]

Charles can't handle a full load for 16 games. I trust the KC coaches are doing there best to win games. I think they know more about the situation then we do.

well, last yr he handled an absurd workload over 8 games. perhaps now is the time to forcefeed him the ball. ya kno, since he proved he can handle it over 8 weeks.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Why can't he handle the load? Does he have a past marred with injuries?

There is an incorrect misconception that backs like Charles and Chris Johnson are more prone to injury. Charles is no more of an injury risk than any other starting NFL running back.Charles is one of the best backs in the league, easily top 5. Hopefully the loss shows Haley he needs to give the ball to Charles more and that there is no reason to give Jones more than 40% of the carries.To the people saying those that call for more carries for Charles don't understand real football, get your head out of your ###. Charles is clearly the better back and there is really no comparison. Feeding Jones the ball over Charles does not increase the team's chances of winning at all. Please explain if you think somehow giving Jones the ball gives them a better chance to win. And to the 'gameplan' comments, it is ridiculous to plan on giving Jones more carries then Charles. Even if they came into the game planning to run Jones 20+ times, they should have abandoned that when his first 11 carries went for 8 yards (again, with a LONG OF 7.)

Apparently in "real football", the best thing that you can do for your team is to extremely limit your best player... and keep pounding away with the guy who is drastically more ineffective. This is a secret of all people who know "real football". It isn't about giving the best players a chance to make plays... it's about failed logic.

 

[cvnpoka]

Why can't he handle the load? Does he have a past marred with injuries?

Perhaps he sucks in pass protection.

nice. i def loled.

 

[Chaka]

You still aren't making any sense, AT ALL. None of us are waterheads... we understand what "gameplanning" is... and we understand that Haley's job is to give them the best chance to win. THAT IS WHY HE SHOULD BE GIVING THE BALL TO CHARLES! Clearly, if he thinks that giving the ball to Jones more is a better idea... then he probably shouldn't be coaching in the NFL. This is why they lost today, and this is why they aren't even better than they already are. Even in their first game they only won because of a big play from Charles, and special teams. The only thing that he is accomplishing by pounding away with T. Jones is a bunch of 3 and outs... stalled drives... and losses that should be wins.

No offense but it really seems like you are seeing this from a limited perspective. From the outside we all see that Charles is an incredibly dynamic and explosive player. It seems obvious that he should be getting every touch that the KC running game has to offer.Then again it isn't like TJ has been failing miserably for the whole season. TJ had been gaining 4.6 ypc before the Oakland game. He isn't a slouch.There is a reason that Haley hasn't been giving Charles 30 touches a game (or 20) and as much as we all want to armchair him into making it so the fact is Weiss & Haley have more information than we do and have decided that Charles needs X number of touches to be as effective as he has been. They might be wrong but I am not so arrogant as to believe that I know more than they do about the players that they see every day. IMO clearly Charles has some limitations in aspects of his game that are not obvious to the casual fan.Like I said previously I think we will see Charles' touches increase as the season progresses.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Clearly this is all about great "game planning" of the "real football" minds.

Jamaal Charles gets 15 touches for 100 total yards.... 6.6 yards per touch.

Thomas Jones gets 19 touches for 39 total yards..... a scintillating 1.7 yards per touch.

Any person who knows real football would understand that the key to winning is to give Player B more touches than player A. This is real football 101 folks.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

You still aren't making any sense, AT ALL. None of us are waterheads... we understand what "gameplanning" is... and we understand that Haley's job is to give them the best chance to win. THAT IS WHY HE SHOULD BE GIVING THE BALL TO CHARLES! Clearly, if he thinks that giving the ball to Jones more is a better idea... then he probably shouldn't be coaching in the NFL. This is why they lost today, and this is why they aren't even better than they already are. Even in their first game they only won because of a big play from Charles, and special teams. The only thing that he is accomplishing by pounding away with T. Jones is a bunch of 3 and outs... stalled drives... and losses that should be wins.

No offense but it really seems like you are seeing this from a limited perspective. From the outside we all see that Charles is an incredibly dynamic and explosive player. It seems obvious that he should be getting every touch that the KC running game has to offer.Then again it isn't like TJ has been failing miserably for the whole season. TJ had been gaining 4.6 ypc before the Oakland game. He isn't a slouch.

There is a reason that Haley hasn't been giving Charles 30 touches a game (or 20) and as much as we all want to armchair him into making it so the fact is Weiss & Haley have more information than we do and have decided that Charles needs X number of touches to be as effective as he has been. They might be wrong but I am not so arrogant as to believe that I know more than they do about the players that they see every day. IMO clearly Charles has some limitations in aspects of his game that are not obvious to the casual fan.

Like I said previously I think we will see Charles' touches increase as the season progresses.

Maybe you missed the entire last half of the 2009-2010 season?

 

[Chaka]

You still aren't making any sense, AT ALL. None of us are waterheads... we understand what "gameplanning" is... and we understand that Haley's job is to give them the best chance to win. THAT IS WHY HE SHOULD BE GIVING THE BALL TO CHARLES! Clearly, if he thinks that giving the ball to Jones more is a better idea... then he probably shouldn't be coaching in the NFL. This is why they lost today, and this is why they aren't even better than they already are. Even in their first game they only won because of a big play from Charles, and special teams. The only thing that he is accomplishing by pounding away with T. Jones is a bunch of 3 and outs... stalled drives... and losses that should be wins.

No offense but it really seems like you are seeing this from a limited perspective. From the outside we all see that Charles is an incredibly dynamic and explosive player. It seems obvious that he should be getting every touch that the KC running game has to offer.Then again it isn't like TJ has been failing miserably for the whole season. TJ had been gaining 4.6 ypc before the Oakland game. He isn't a slouch.

There is a reason that Haley hasn't been giving Charles 30 touches a game (or 20) and as much as we all want to armchair him into making it so the fact is Weiss & Haley have more information than we do and have decided that Charles needs X number of touches to be as effective as he has been. They might be wrong but I am not so arrogant as to believe that I know more than they do about the players that they see every day. IMO clearly Charles has some limitations in aspects of his game that are not obvious to the casual fan.

Like I said previously I think we will see Charles' touches increase as the season progresses.

Maybe you missed the entire last half of the 2009-2010 season?

No, I did not.But I think there are things you are missing about game planning and preparing for a football game in general. Haley cares about the Chiefs winning and that may be at cross purposes to people's fantasy team.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

But I think there are things you are missing about game planning and preparing for a football game in general. Haley cares about the Chiefs winning and that may be at cross purposes to people's fantasy team.

yeah, that worked out great

 

[SieteCinco]

I agree that Jones has been playing well coming into todays game, but was just curious why the clear cut best back on that team wasn't being featured as so. They have been winning, so they're doing something right.

To me it seems like a similar situation that has drug on longer than the LenDale White hype coming into the 2009/2010 season. You could say Charles is "Chris Johnson" in this situation, the speedier, far more explosive and elusive back who provides a huge home run threat and Jones "LenDale" was suppose to be the power back. Well once Chris started getting to it, White only had two games in double digit touches (10, 13,) because Johnson was the far better back. Now, yes Jones is still playing at a high level, but from the information we have and watching the games, it's just not clear why Charles is the one getting less touches.

 

[Ping Pong]

You still aren't making any sense, AT ALL. None of us are waterheads... we understand what "gameplanning" is... and we understand that Haley's job is to give them the best chance to win. THAT IS WHY HE SHOULD BE GIVING THE BALL TO CHARLES! Clearly, if he thinks that giving the ball to Jones more is a better idea... then he probably shouldn't be coaching in the NFL. This is why they lost today, and this is why they aren't even better than they already are. Even in their first game they only won because of a big play from Charles, and special teams. The only thing that he is accomplishing by pounding away with T. Jones is a bunch of 3 and outs... stalled drives... and losses that should be wins.

No offense but it really seems like you are seeing this from a limited perspective. From the outside we all see that Charles is an incredibly dynamic and explosive player. It seems obvious that he should be getting every touch that the KC running game has to offer.Then again it isn't like TJ has been failing miserably for the whole season. TJ had been gaining 4.6 ypc before the Oakland game. He isn't a slouch.

There is a reason that Haley hasn't been giving Charles 30 touches a game (or 20) and as much as we all want to armchair him into making it so the fact is Weiss & Haley have more information than we do and have decided that Charles needs X number of touches to be as effective as he has been. They might be wrong but I am not so arrogant as to believe that I know more than they do about the players that they see every day. IMO clearly Charles has some limitations in aspects of his game that are not obvious to the casual fan.

Like I said previously I think we will see Charles' touches increase as the season progresses.

Maybe you missed the entire last half of the 2009-2010 season?

No, I did not.But I think there are things you are missing about game planning and preparing for a football game in general. Haley cares about the Chiefs winning and that may be at cross purposes to people's fantasy team.

Please tell us what we are "missing" about "game planning and preparing"? Will the offense suddenly fall apart if Jamaal Charles starts getting more carries? Will Matt Cassel be so confused that it's not Thomas Jones behind him that he'll start missing all his throws? From the stats and the eye test, it's obvious to everyone that Jamaal Charles is a vastly better runner than Thomas Jones. You are pointing to... blind faith in the coaches, and a belief that "they know more than us." There are plenty of times where coaches have screwed up talent evaluation (Kevin Kolb is the future!). Also, pointing to the Chiefs' record does not prove that the KC coaching staff is handling the situation correctly. They are winning games DESPITE the poor handling of the Charles/Jones situation. In week 1 against the Chargers, the Chiefs had 2 straight 3 and outs featuring Thomas Jones, and then the first series Charles came in, he had a 56 yard TD run. After that play, the Chiefs was generally inept, getting TDs when they got a turnover at the Chargers 12 yard line, and off a punt return. Not a strong offensive showing (outside of Charles). In week 2 against the Browns, they again featured Jones and produced 0 offensive TDs, but still won because the Browns were still terrible. In the win last week against the Bills, they managed to win while heavily featuring Jamaal Charles in OT. In regulation, TJ (4.1 ypc) had 17 carries to Charles's (8 ypc) 15, and the Chiefs managed just 10 points against the hapless Bills. The other two Chiefs victories were blowouts against terrible teams (JAX and SF). If anything, the Chiefs were lucky to get these wins, and none of the teams they beat (except SD) are any good.

 

[Ping Pong]

TJ has also had a worse ypc in every game this year, except the Jacksonville game where he got 70 yards on 1 run (and 55 on the other 19). This is regardless of how many carries each back has had, meaning the excuse that Charles "can't handle the load" is bs.

 

[SieteCinco]

Please tell us what we are "missing" about "game planning and preparing"? Will the offense suddenly fall apart if Jamaal Charles starts getting more carries? Will Matt Cassel be so confused that it's not Thomas Jones behind him that he'll start missing all his throws? From the stats and the eye test, it's obvious to everyone that Jamaal Charles is a vastly better runner than Thomas Jones. You are pointing to... blind faith in the coaches, and a belief that "they know more than us." There are plenty of times where coaches have screwed up talent evaluation (Kevin Kolb is the future!).

Also, pointing to the Chiefs' record does not prove that the KC coaching staff is handling the situation correctly. They are winning games DESPITE the poor handling of the Charles/Jones situation. In week 1 against the Chargers, the Chiefs had 2 straight 3 and outs featuring Thomas Jones, and then the first series Charles came in, he had a 56 yard TD run. After that play, the Chiefs was generally inept, getting TDs when they got a turnover at the Chargers 12 yard line, and off a punt return. Not a strong offensive showing (outside of Charles). In week 2 against the Browns, they again featured Jones and produced 0 offensive TDs, but still won because the Browns were still terrible. In the win last week against the Bills, they managed to win while heavily featuring Jamaal Charles in OT. In regulation, TJ (4.1 ypc) had 17 carries to Charles's (8 ypc) 15, and the Chiefs managed just 10 points against the hapless Bills. The other two Chiefs victories were blowouts against terrible teams (JAX and SF). If anything, the Chiefs were lucky to get these wins, and none of the teams they beat (except SD) are any good.

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[basher]

TJ has also had a worse ypc in every game this year, except the Jacksonville game where he got 70 yards on 1 run (and 55 on the other 19). This is regardless of how many carries each back has had, meaning the excuse that Charles "can't handle the load" is bs.

The point isn't "whether or not he can handle the load" the point is that the Chiefs do not want him to shoulder the grind of an every down back. They also want TJ for the inside runs and the short yardage work. Whether people agree on who the better back is, is really irrelevant because the current formula of ball control offense and play D is working for this team. Also, in this particular game, Charles was fairly mediocre until well into the third quarter. They are going to continue to go to the hot hand in this offense and neither player really played well until Charles busted off 4 10+ in the 3rd quarter.

 

[cvnpoka]

TJ has also had a worse ypc in every game this year, except the Jacksonville game where he got 70 yards on 1 run (and 55 on the other 19). This is regardless of how many carries each back has had, meaning the excuse that Charles "can't handle the load" is bs.

The point isn't "whether or not he can handle the load" the point is that the Chiefs do not want him to shoulder the grind of an every down back. They also want TJ for the inside runs and the short yardage work. Whether people agree on who the better back is, is really irrelevant because the current formula of ball control offense and play D is working for this team. Also, in this particular game, Charles was fairly mediocre until well into the third quarter. They are going to continue to go to the hot hand in this offense and neither player really played well until Charles busted off 4 10+ in the 3rd quarter.

bolded is the epitome of double standard. at one point jones had 11 carries for 8 yards. yet you purport to indict charles for only getting like 4 ypc.

 

[Ping Pong]

TJ has also had a worse ypc in every game this year, except the Jacksonville game where he got 70 yards on 1 run (and 55 on the other 19). This is regardless of how many carries each back has had, meaning the excuse that Charles "can't handle the load" is bs.

The point isn't "whether or not he can handle the load" the point is that the Chiefs do not want him to shoulder the grind of an every down back. They also want TJ for the inside runs and the short yardage work. Whether people agree on who the better back is, is really irrelevant because the current formula of ball control offense and play D is working for this team. Also, in this particular game, Charles was fairly mediocre until well into the third quarter. They are going to continue to go to the hot hand in this offense and neither player really played well until Charles busted off 4 10+ in the 3rd quarter.

Winning games does not mean they're handling the situation well (like I said above). They've either blown out really bad teams (SF, Jax), had really close wins against bad teams (Clev, Buf), got lucky in SD (rain + Norv effect), or lost to mediocre/good teams (Indy, Hou, Oak). You can't just blindly look at a team's record and say that "they're winning so everything is working!" You don't think that a few extra first downs could have helped them in today's game against Oakland?