Thomas Jones (1 Viewer)

[Weiner Dog]

Jones averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in only ONE of his 16 games last year. No other Top-15 rusher in '07 had less than three games will a sub 4.5 yards/carry average...and that was the mighty Lendale White.

Other notables include Portis and Addai.

NFL's Top-15 Rushers in 2007

1) LT - 7 out of 16 games

2) ADP - 6 out of 14

3) Westbrook - 9 out of 15

4) Parker - 5 out of 16

5) Lewis - 6 out of 15

6) Portis - 4 out of 16

7) Edge - 5 out of 16

8) McGahee - 5 out of 15

9) Taylor - 8 out of 15

10) Thomas Jones - 1 out of 16

11) Lynch - 4 out of 13

12) White - 3 out of 16

13) Gore - 6 out of 15

14) Addai - 4 out of 15

15) Fargas - 6 out of 15

 

[brednbuddah]

ok, I'll look at the glass as half-full.

The fact that he even made the top 15 top 10, with that line AND only one 4.5+ yd game should tell you something.

Jets are coming to the table with a revamped line AND Tony Richardson as their lead FB.

you can forget about McFadden at #6. Jones WILL lead the way for the Jets in '08.

ETA: top 10

 

[switz]

Jones averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in only ONE of his 16 games last year. No other Top-15 rusher in '07 had less than three games will a sub 4.5 yards/carry average...and that was the mighty Lendale White.

And your point is?Funny how when an RB succeeds people usually point to the OL, but when an RB fails... there's no one else to blame.

 

[gregjcross]

ok, I'll look at the glass as half-full.The fact that he even made the top 15, with that line AND only one 4.5+ yd game should tell you something.Jets are coming to the table with a revamped line AND Tony Richardson as their lead FB.you can forget about McFadden at #6. Jones WILL lead the way for the Jets in '08.

Let me check the results from last season; McFadden was one of the most talented guys heading into September, then he runs for 200+yards and leads his team over one of the top rated defenses of the SEC (and maybe nation), in eventual national champion, LSU. Then he runs a 4.3 40 at the combine, and he looks night and day ahed of typical RBs, and to top it off he is 100% healthy. is Al Davis going to pass on that? Certainly the Jets won't have to worry about McFadden.Edited to say: I am not trying to start a flame war over this, but i just dont see any way he floats by the Raiders.

 

[brednbuddah]

ok, I'll look at the glass as half-full.

The fact that he even made the top 15, with that line AND only one 4.5+ yd game should tell you something.

Jets are coming to the table with a revamped line AND Tony Richardson as their lead FB.

you can forget about McFadden at #6. Jones WILL lead the way for the Jets in '08.

Let me check the results from last season; McFadden was one of the most talented guys heading into September, then he runs for 200+yards and leads his team over one of the top rated defenses of the SEC (and maybe nation), in eventual national champion, LSU. Then he runs a 4.3 40 at the combine, and he looks night and day ahed of typical RBs, and to top it off he is 100% healthy.

is Al Davis going to pass on that? Certainly the Jets won't have to worry about McFadden.

Edited to say: I am not trying to start a flame war over this, but i just dont see any way he floats by the Raiders.

with his off the field issues, he's a perfect fit for the Raiders.

 

[Smizzy]

Don't forget the fact Defenses stacked the box and dared Pennington than Clemens to beat them deep for most part.

 

[bucksoh]

Jones averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in only ONE of his 16 games last year. No other Top-15 rusher in '07 had less than three games will a sub 4.5 yards/carry average...and that was the mighty Lendale White.

Other notables include Portis and Addai.

NFL's Top-15 Rushers in 2007

1) LT - 7 out of 16 games

2) ADP - 6 out of 14

3) Westbrook - 9 out of 15

4) Parker - 5 out of 16

5) Lewis - 6 out of 15

6) Portis - 4 out of 16

7) Edge - 5 out of 16

8) McGahee - 5 out of 15

9) Taylor - 8 out of 15

10) Thomas Jones - 1 out of 16

11) Lynch - 4 out of 13

12) White - 3 out of 16

13) Gore - 6 out of 15

14) Addai - 4 out of 15

15) Fargas - 6 out of 15

Out of all the teams listed the Jets had the worst OL, Jones will be OK

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Jones averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in only ONE of his 16 games last year. No other Top-15 rusher in '07 had less than three games will a sub 4.5 yards/carry average...and that was the mighty Lendale White.

Other notables include Portis and Addai.

NFL's Top-15 Rushers in 2007

1) LT - 7 out of 16 games

2) ADP - 6 out of 14

3) Westbrook - 9 out of 15

4) Parker - 5 out of 16

5) Lewis - 6 out of 15

6) Portis - 4 out of 16

7) Edge - 5 out of 16

8) McGahee - 5 out of 15

9) Taylor - 8 out of 15

10) Thomas Jones - 1 out of 16

11) Lynch - 4 out of 13

12) White - 3 out of 16

13) Gore - 6 out of 15

14) Addai - 4 out of 15

15) Fargas - 6 out of 15

Out of all the teams listed the Jets had the worst OL, Jones will be OK

Errr, maybe if you only considered starters, but the Redskins were playing with 9th stringers.

 

[Mikey16x]

Rams OL was terrible last year also... I think they were hitting 9th stringers as well.

 

[*****]

Edited to say: I am not trying to start a flame war over this, but i just dont see any way he floats by the Raiders.

Here is one way:1. Jake Long - Miami2. Glenn Doresey - Rams3. Matt Ryan - ATL4. Chris Long - RaidersI'm not saying it will absolutely happen but it could. I don't see any way the Raiders pass on Chris Long for anybody else.

 

[gregjcross]

Edited to say: I am not trying to start a flame war over this, but i just dont see any way he floats by the Raiders.

Here is one way:1. Jake Long - Miami2. Glenn Doresey - Rams3. Matt Ryan - ATL4. Chris Long - RaidersI'm not saying it will absolutely happen but it could. I don't see any way the Raiders pass on Chris Long for anybody else.

I agree, if DE Chris Long is there, Raiders would be extremely wise to take the sure thing. What a scenario that is.

 

[Captain_Apocalypse]

Profootballtalk is saying that the rams have McFadden as their #1 pick. Not sure if they are looking for a trade or what, but S Jax is in the final year of his contract I think, so it kinda makes sense. Anyway, it is starting to look like maybe the Jets won't have a chance at him unless they trade up? Maybe, all speculation at this point.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Jones averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in only ONE of his 16 games last year. No other Top-15 rusher in '07 had less than three games will a sub 4.5 yards/carry average...and that was the mighty Lendale White.

Other notables include Portis and Addai.

NFL's Top-15 Rushers in 2007

1) LT - 7 out of 16 games

2) ADP - 6 out of 14

3) Westbrook - 9 out of 15

4) Parker - 5 out of 16

5) Lewis - 6 out of 15

6) Portis - 4 out of 16

7) Edge - 5 out of 16

8) McGahee - 5 out of 15

9) Taylor - 8 out of 15

10) Thomas Jones - 1 out of 16

11) Lynch - 4 out of 13

12) White - 3 out of 16

13) Gore - 6 out of 15

14) Addai - 4 out of 15

15) Fargas - 6 out of 15

Freddy is on something

 

[switz]

Jones averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in only ONE of his 16 games last year. No other Top-15 rusher in '07 had less than three games will a sub 4.5 yards/carry average...and that was the mighty Lendale White.

Other notables include Portis and Addai.

NFL's Top-15 Rushers in 2007

1) LT - 7 out of 16 games

2) ADP - 6 out of 14

3) Westbrook - 9 out of 15

4) Parker - 5 out of 16

5) Lewis - 6 out of 15

6) Portis - 4 out of 16

7) Edge - 5 out of 16

8) McGahee - 5 out of 15

9) Taylor - 8 out of 15

10) Thomas Jones - 1 out of 16

11) Lynch - 4 out of 13

12) White - 3 out of 16

13) Gore - 6 out of 15

14) Addai - 4 out of 15

15) Fargas - 6 out of 15

Freddy is on something

Taylor has ALWAYS been one of the most explosive runners in the league. Injured, sure, but a low YPC guy - if you think that you must be on something.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Jones averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in only ONE of his 16 games last year. No other Top-15 rusher in '07 had less than three games will a sub 4.5 yards/carry average...and that was the mighty Lendale White.

Other notables include Portis and Addai.

NFL's Top-15 Rushers in 2007

1) LT - 7 out of 16 games

2) ADP - 6 out of 14

3) Westbrook - 9 out of 15

4) Parker - 5 out of 16

5) Lewis - 6 out of 15

6) Portis - 4 out of 16

7) Edge - 5 out of 16

8) McGahee - 5 out of 15

9) Taylor - 8 out of 15

10) Thomas Jones - 1 out of 16

11) Lynch - 4 out of 13

12) White - 3 out of 16

13) Gore - 6 out of 15

14) Addai - 4 out of 15

15) Fargas - 6 out of 15

Freddy is on something

Yeah, it's called the most underrated run-blocking line of the last decade.There's a reason the guy never had a 5.0ypc season until he was in his 30's and he's now had two consecutively, and it's not that he got faster with age.

 

[cstu]

Edited to say: I am not trying to start a flame war over this, but i just dont see any way he floats by the Raiders.

Here is one way:1. Jake Long - Miami2. Glenn Doresey - Rams3. Matt Ryan - ATL4. Chris Long - RaidersI'm not saying it will absolutely happen but it could. I don't see any way the Raiders pass on Chris Long for anybody else.

I agree, if DE Chris Long is there, Raiders would be extremely wise to take the sure thing. What a scenario that is.

The Raiders aren't going to take McFadden even if that scenario doesn't happen.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Yeah, it's called the most underrated run-blocking line of the last decade.

There's a reason the guy never had a 5.0ypc season until he was in his 30's and he's now had two consecutively, and it's not that he got faster with age.

Fred Taylor has always been an immensely talented RB -- he just gets a bad rap in the FF community due to the perception that he is injury prone.Fact: Taylor's career YPC is 4.7.

Fact: Fred Taylor has rushed for 1100+ yards in 7/10 seasons.

He has been a great RB for the past decade.

 

[switz]

Yeah, it's called the most underrated run-blocking line of the last decade.

There's a reason the guy never had a 5.0ypc season until he was in his 30's and he's now had two consecutively, and it's not that he got faster with age.

I don't think the line is the sole reason, but I don't think the other component has to do with ANY supplements. Taylor has only TWICE in 10 seasons failed to average 4.6 YPC for the season. FYI - that's what MJD - who everyone has their panties bunched up about because he's soooo good did last season, behind the SAME line that Taylor averaged nearly a whole yard more behind.Also, the two seasons where Taylor failed to reach 4.6 YPC were both injury shortened seasons.

If Taylor had been durable, he would be a HOF player. Had over 1200 yards rushing in 6 of ten seasons, the others were injury shortened. Averaged 4.6+ YPC in 8 of 10 seasons, again the other two were injury shortened. In fact he's only played 16 games twice in his career.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Jones averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in only ONE of his 16 games last year. No other Top-15 rusher in '07 had less than three games will a sub 4.5 yards/carry average...and that was the mighty Lendale White.

And your point is?Funny how when an RB succeeds people usually point to the OL, but when an RB fails... there's no one else to blame.

Leon Washington played behind the same OL last year......and he averaged more than a yard/carry more than Jones...and he averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in more than 1/2 his games (8 out of 15).

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Edited to say: I am not trying to start a flame war over this, but i just dont see any way he floats by the Raiders.

Here is one way:1. Jake Long - Miami2. Glenn Doresey - Rams3. Matt Ryan - ATL4. Chris Long - RaidersI'm not saying it will absolutely happen but it could. I don't see any way the Raiders pass on Chris Long for anybody else.

unless their scouting indicates something else I cannot imagine Long slips past the falcons. With a young qb (with a lil promoise actually for being in the insurance buysniess l2 years ago), a back up in harrington who also has raw talent, and hasn't put it all together (but with my two teams with the worst OL's/and maybe organizations for that matter in DET/ATL) and has shown that with a small amount of time he can at leats be serviceable/decent, plus with the signing of M Turner... you neeed someone to block for em. I see Th new GM/Coach as an "old skool" team puting this together (my own opinion from hearing both interviewed on sports talk) and there is nothing more old skool than building in the lines. I think they'd arther he be off the board strangley, as the JAX guy is a CORE D guy and you know he's drooling at cedric dorsey/gholston/long/

 

[Shrek]

Profootballtalk is saying that the rams have McFadden as their #1 pick. Not sure if they are looking for a trade or what, but S Jax is in the final year of his contract I think, so it kinda makes sense. Anyway, it is starting to look like maybe the Jets won't have a chance at him unless they trade up? Maybe, all speculation at this point.

I know the Jets have made some dumb### draft day moves before, but if they traded up to get McFadden, it would have to rate as the worst one ever for them. The best thing about the Jets having the #6 pick is that a top tier guy who is high on their board is going to fall to them no matter what. And there's a better than even chance that at least one team in front of them will do something unexpected, thereby allowing someone more valuable to drop to the Jets.If McFadden goes to the Jets, so be it. I would personally prefer to see them get someone like Gholston or Dorsey if they're available. But trading up to get McFadden is just plain stupid.

 

[silentmark]

Jones averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in only ONE of his 16 games last year. No other Top-15 rusher in '07 had less than three games will a sub 4.5 yards/carry average...and that was the mighty Lendale White.

And your point is?Funny how when an RB succeeds people usually point to the OL, but when an RB fails... there's no one else to blame.

Leon Washington played behind the same OL last year......and he averaged more than a yard/carry more than Jones...and he averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in more than 1/2 his games (8 out of 15).

Exactly. I was just going to post where is the love for Leon ? IMHO the guy just needs the chance ...No way the Raiders take Dmac (although I prolly just jinxed it, lol ...) and I doubt ATL takes Ryan, they take Long or Dorsey and the Raiders take Gholsten...

 

[switz]

Jones averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in only ONE of his 16 games last year. No other Top-15 rusher in '07 had less than three games will a sub 4.5 yards/carry average...and that was the mighty Lendale White.

And your point is?Funny how when an RB succeeds people usually point to the OL, but when an RB fails... there's no one else to blame.

Leon Washington played behind the same OL last year......and he averaged more than a yard/carry more than Jones...and he averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in more than 1/2 his games (8 out of 15).

In completely different situations... lines still sucks. Washington had ZERO short yardage carries at all, and ran mostly sweeps. 50 of his 71 carries came in a 3 WR set, when the defense was set up to defend the pass.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Jones averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in only ONE of his 16 games last year. No other Top-15 rusher in '07 had less than three games will a sub 4.5 yards/carry average...and that was the mighty Lendale White.

And your point is?Funny how when an RB succeeds people usually point to the OL, but when an RB fails... there's no one else to blame.

Leon Washington played behind the same OL last year......and he averaged more than a yard/carry more than Jones...and he averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in more than 1/2 his games (8 out of 15).

In completely different situations... lines still sucks. Washington had ZERO short yardage carries at all, and ran mostly sweeps. 50 of his 71 carries came in a 3 WR set, when the defense was set up to defend the pass.

That does not tell the whole story. If it were only that easy then why not have more 3 WR sets and run out of it? I mean the defense would be expecting pass right? I know some of those carries may have been draw plays on 3rd and long etc, but Leon is underrated. I would like to see what he would do with more touches seeing as he is the most dangerous player on the Jets with the ball in his hands. He reminds me of Westbrook.

 

[switz]

I know some of those carries may have been draw plays on 3rd and long etc, but Leon is underrated. I would like to see what he would do with more touches seeing as he is the most dangerous player on the Jets with the ball in his hands. He reminds me of Westbrook.

That's fine and fair, but to use his success in 71 attempts, none in short yardage, 72% in passing situations, as evidence that Jones is terrible is fraudulent.I'll also add, Washington is not every down back material. That's my opinion. But Westbrook on one knee is ten times the back Washington is. People get overexcited about flashy players, and forget that the NFL is not about the home run hit, but the consistent gain. Washington is razzle dazzle, but he's not starting material.

BTW< I have never seen a guy hyped on 70 carries be called "underrated" before.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Jones averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in only ONE of his 16 games last year. No other Top-15 rusher in '07 had less than three games will a sub 4.5 yards/carry average...and that was the mighty Lendale White.

And your point is?Funny how when an RB succeeds people usually point to the OL, but when an RB fails... there's no one else to blame.

Leon Washington played behind the same OL last year......and he averaged more than a yard/carry more than Jones...and he averaged 4.5+ yards/carry in more than 1/2 his games (8 out of 15).

In completely different situations... lines still sucks. Washington had ZERO short yardage carries at all, and ran mostly sweeps. 50 of his 71 carries came in a 3 WR set, when the defense was set up to defend the pass.

Incorrect info here.Of Washington's 71 carries, only 10 were on 3rd-down (...when teams are notoriously "set up to defend the pass"). Plus, he averaged 5.2 yards/carry on 1st downs and 4.5 yards/carry on 2nd downs. Jones averaged 3.6 and 4.1, respectively.

 

[brednbuddah]

Profootballtalk is saying that the rams have McFadden as their #1 pick. Not sure if they are looking for a trade or what, but S Jax is in the final year of his contract I think, so it kinda makes sense. Anyway, it is starting to look like maybe the Jets won't have a chance at him unless they trade up? Maybe, all speculation at this point.

I know the Jets have made some dumb### draft day moves before, but if they traded up to get McFadden, it would have to rate as the worst one ever for them. The best thing about the Jets having the #6 pick is that a top tier guy who is high on their board is going to fall to them no matter what. And there's a better than even chance that at least one team in front of them will do something unexpected, thereby allowing someone more valuable to drop to the Jets.If McFadden goes to the Jets, so be it. I would personally prefer to see them get someone like Gholston or Dorsey if they're available. But trading up to get McFadden is just plain stupid.

I doubt Dorsey falls, but you never know. you may get someone to bite to trade up to #6 if McFadden is there. kinda like when Arizona flip-flopped to get Hearst and we still got the guy we wanted (Marvin Jones) and Johnny Johnson out of it. Didn't really work out for anyone, but you get my meaning.

The Jets would be foolish to go anything other than defense with that pick.