dboysrock94
Footballguy
Thinking he might be a sneaky play tonight with moore out anyone thoughts
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Thoughts on robert meachem tonight (1 Viewer)
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Horses Mouth
Footballguy
I have a sneaky feeling we'll be bumping this comment with one of those happy smiley things later when he hauls in a td.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I wonder how much of an upgrade Meachem is due to Moore being out. I guess Brees will be forced to give him an extra target or two, but Sproles will probably be the main beneficiary of Moore's absence. That's not to say that Meachem won't have a nice game. But I'm more interested in seeing how he performs compared to Colston, who I think might fall off a cliff this year.
Isn't Meachem in a contract year? It's literally now or never for him and I think he's got the talent and situation to put up career numbers if he can get the mental part of the game down.
Isn't Meachem in a contract year? It's literally now or never for him and I think he's got the talent and situation to put up career numbers if he can get the mental part of the game down.
Andrew74
Footballguy
Amen!
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
and there you have it 
flapgreen
Footballguy
jamil
Footballguy
It looked like he slipped...
CutlerToCutler
Footballguy
Everybody is
AmosMoses
Footballguy
Shouldn't have tried to cut it back in the first place. Just run forward for 2 yards. That is, unless you are gutless like Meachum. Ingram bailed his butt out.
CutlerToCutler
Footballguy
Suit up. You're going in!
Ditka is God
Footballguy
Everything should be there. No Moore. Colston looks slow to me. But Henderson seems to be playing a lot. Graham hasn't done squat. I took Meacham late but I don't like what I've seen thus far, despite the nice catch in the end zone. And Brees looks off to me.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I don't think you will regret it that much. Moore is out and Meachem has still only gotten 3 targets. I won't be starting him anymore, unless it's a bye week or I'm in a bind. If he doesn't do more tonight, he will be riding my bench all season. I'm happy with the td tonight, though.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
You must have missed the part about how the turf is de-laminating from the field?Guy slips on horrible turf conditions and you call him gutless.. nice..
az_prof
Footballguy
I thought he played well. And I thought Colston looked slow and had trouble creating separation. Henderson had a good night.
mr roboto
Footballguy
FYI, Amos is a troll.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Still a heck of a receiver. Makes the tough catches that Henderson/Meachem have trouble consistently making. Saints are going to have an interesting dilemma soon with him -- signing him long-term.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
He'll disappear now for a month
griff321
Footballguy
Likely. It'll be interesting to see where everyone falls when Moore comes back.
Ping Pong
Footballguy
Meachem has always had dropsy problems... Just look at Waldman's latest article (http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2011/09/07/discerning-errors-from-deficiencies-a-wrs-hands/)From watching the game, the Saints WRs all looked pretty mediocre to me, although maybe that was more a reflection of either how good the Pack defense is, or of how good the Pack WRs were, which then made the Saints WRs look pretty bad.Me too. The drop doesn't concern me because it wasn't a key play and he doesn't have a dropsy problem. It's an anomaly.'flapgreen said:
But, none of the WRs were really able to get open consistently. I think Collinsworth mentioned this, but a lot of the problems the Saints had were that the WRs couldn't beat the coverage. To me, Colston and Henderson looked slow, even while they were making catches. Meachem had some highlights, but also some low lights (the first drop and the failure to get an easy first down come to mind). Even Graham looked like he was having a hard time getting good separation, and there was at least 1 or 2 bootlegs designed for Graham that weren't there, leading to Brees sacks.
With all of this in mind, I can't help but think that Lance Moore's return will actually impact things quite a bit. In the past he's been the better/more consistent option at WR2, and he was supposedly tearing up the preseason. If the other WRs can't do it, then maybe Lance is going to return and start hogging some more targets. I also have to think that they'll try to get Sproles even more touches after today. He was, without question, the most productive player not named Brees in a Saints uniform.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
he should have bought one yesterday
footballsavvy
Footballguy
I've been saying this all off-season. I was shocked the Saints didn't go after Sidney Rice, Braylon, James Jones, etc. They have no true #1 receiver. They need a stud receiver to complete their offense. Meachem will make a fine #2, but we need someone to draw consistent double coverage. They should trade Colston while they can still get something for him.... though its probably too late. Colston came into the league as a TE and his better days have passed. He moves like a TE again.Lance Moore will help us some in the slot. He can usually beat slot coverage consistently. We still need someone to command double/bracketed coverage on the outside.Meachem has always had dropsy problems... Just look at Waldman's latest article (http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2011/09/07/discerning-errors-from-deficiencies-a-wrs-hands/)From watching the game, the Saints WRs all looked pretty mediocre to me, although maybe that was more a reflection of either how good the Pack defense is, or of how good the Pack WRs were, which then made the Saints WRs look pretty bad.Me too. The drop doesn't concern me because it wasn't a key play and he doesn't have a dropsy problem. It's an anomaly.'flapgreen said:
But, none of the WRs were really able to get open consistently. I think Collinsworth mentioned this, but a lot of the problems the Saints had were that the WRs couldn't beat the coverage. To me, Colston and Henderson looked slow, even while they were making catches. Meachem had some highlights, but also some low lights (the first drop and the failure to get an easy first down come to mind). Even Graham looked like he was having a hard time getting good separation, and there was at least 1 or 2 bootlegs designed for Graham that weren't there, leading to Brees sacks.
With all of this in mind, I can't help but think that Lance Moore's return will actually impact things quite a bit. In the past he's been the better/more consistent option at WR2, and he was supposedly tearing up the preseason. If the other WRs can't do it, then maybe Lance is going to return and start hogging some more targets. I also have to think that they'll try to get Sproles even more touches after today. He was, without question, the most productive player not named Brees in a Saints uniform.
AmosMoses
Footballguy
You didn't watch that play, did you?
az_prof
Footballguy
Meachem has NOT always had a dropsy problem--at least not in the NFL. Each year he has one of the highest Catch % (the ratio of looks to catches) ratio in the NFL and on his team. I don't have access to FBG stats anymore, but they track looks and I have always followed the Catch % of receivers and I can tell you that Meachem is typically somewhere around 70%; might have 65% last year but other years it was more than 70%. Now, normally receivers who run alot of long routes don't have such high catch % because the odds of completion are less. People in the past have claimed that he couldn't run routes well, and so had to settle for the Streak and Post patterns. I was encouraged last night that they ran an out, a screen, and a crossing slant pattern for him and he caught all of those.Meachem has always had dropsy problems... Just look at Waldman's latest article (http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2011/09/07/discerning-errors-from-deficiencies-a-wrs-hands/)From watching the game, the Saints WRs all looked pretty mediocre to me, although maybe that was more a reflection of either how good the Pack defense is, or of how good the Pack WRs were, which then made the Saints WRs look pretty bad.Me too. The drop doesn't concern me because it wasn't a key play and he doesn't have a dropsy problem. It's an anomaly.'flapgreen said:
But, none of the WRs were really able to get open consistently. I think Collinsworth mentioned this, but a lot of the problems the Saints had were that the WRs couldn't beat the coverage. To me, Colston and Henderson looked slow, even while they were making catches. Meachem had some highlights, but also some low lights (the first drop and the failure to get an easy first down come to mind). Even Graham looked like he was having a hard time getting good separation, and there was at least 1 or 2 bootlegs designed for Graham that weren't there, leading to Brees sacks.
With all of this in mind, I can't help but think that Lance Moore's return will actually impact things quite a bit. In the past he's been the better/more consistent option at WR2, and he was supposedly tearing up the preseason. If the other WRs can't do it, then maybe Lance is going to return and start hogging some more targets. I also have to think that they'll try to get Sproles even more touches after today. He was, without question, the most productive player not named Brees in a Saints uniform.
There is still a lot of competition for balls in NO and Lance Moore and Colston, when healthy, are still the starters. But please don't try to down play Meachem by saying he can't catch, just because he drops one meaningless pass.
FunkyTeaParty
Footballguy
Several times I have been almost talked into Meachem and then I watch him play and that takes care of that.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Everytime I watch this guy I just think "what if". Yes he had a good stat line last night. It's always what if he didn't drop it, what if he didn't fall over his own feet, what if... I find myself making excuses for him and that's why I never draft him, sometimes the stats look good but if I watch him there is always missed opportunities.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
It seems apparent after 3+ years in a great offense with a great QB, that Meachem is just an average WR. I have hung onto him for his entire career waiting for the talent to match up with the results, when all along that was probably already happening without me wanting to admit it.
That said, if Colston is out for a while from his current injury, or any other injury, he definitely still belongs on rosters, and can be used as a situational starter. He is still serviceable, but the idea that he will one day become an every-week type FFB contributor has fizzled. He just isnt special.
That said, if Colston is out for a while from his current injury, or any other injury, he definitely still belongs on rosters, and can be used as a situational starter. He is still serviceable, but the idea that he will one day become an every-week type FFB contributor has fizzled. He just isnt special.
az_prof
Footballguy
Please tell me how 5 for 70 yards and a TD is "just average"?Or, tell me how he looks "average" on this TD play?Did he catch the ball with his body? No.He burns the DB.He adjust to the ball, which is thrown a bit behind him.He goes up and uses his hands to come down with the ball.What is average about this?http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8221026d/Meachem-31-yard-TDLook, he plays on a team that spreads the ball around to at least 6 receivers (4 WRs, TE, and HB). There will be big games and invisible games until that changes. But I don't know how we can conclude that he is just average when he has never been giving a chance to be an every play starter. This is his last year in NO under his current contract.
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ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
The TD catch was fantastic, but the drop was horrendous. 5 for 70 with a TD is a good stat line, but it does not provide evidence that he is more than an average WR. Devery Henderson had a better stat line. Is he more than an average WR because of it? I am not looking at one game when I state my opinion, but rather a body of work. What has he done to qualify as better than an average WR? Colston plays in the same "spread it around" offense, and has posted WR1 numbers a few seasons. Prior to injury, Colston was a better than average WR. Believe me, I would love for him to be a better than average WR. He has occupied a valuable spot on my roster for 3+ years.You are a great poster on these boards, but are you really going to use one decent stat line that included one very nice catch to make an argument for you about a player's career?
az_prof
Footballguy
Colston is the top target on the team. He always starts when healthy and gets the most snaps. I don't think you can compare Meachem's production to Brees and then conclude that Meachem can never be a great fantasy Wr.As for the drop, let's talk sample size. I don't know how many looks he had...maybe 7, and he had one drop. It was a short pattern that would not have made a lick of difference in the game. His catch % year in and year out is among the best on the team. I don't think one drop is very meaningful although it will get a lot of attention because it happened early in the NFL opener so everyone in the world saw it. I am not relying on just this game. Meachem's stats since he got past his horrific rookie season have been really stellar in terms of TD ratio, yards per catch, RAC, and catch %.
