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Tim Tebow in the NFL (1 Viewer)
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awesomeness
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He'd be best off as a FB/TE.
If he's dead set on being a QB, i predict a career backup/specialty role, or the role of being one of the worst starting QBs in the league.
If he's dead set on being a QB, i predict a career backup/specialty role, or the role of being one of the worst starting QBs in the league.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I know lots of people think he'd be a good FB or h-back or TE, but we've never seen Tebow block or catch. I understand players sometimes totally switch positions, but I'd have a hard time getting excited about a guy becoming a blocker that's never blocked before.
No one really knows how Tebow will play in the NFL, but he needs a lot of work mechanically and at reading a defense before he becomes an NFL starting QB.
No one really knows how Tebow will play in the NFL, but he needs a lot of work mechanically and at reading a defense before he becomes an NFL starting QB.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Sort of this year's Matt Leinart?
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I voted "regular starting QB".
Once he gets with an NFL-caliber QB coach, he can be taught proper mechanics. He already has many of the qualities you look for in a NFL QB, most importantly being a leader of men. Put Tebow's heart and intangibles (toughness, drive, never-say-die attitude) in JaMarcus Russell's body, and you'd have a Hall of Fame QB.
Once he gets with an NFL-caliber QB coach, he can be taught proper mechanics. He already has many of the qualities you look for in a NFL QB, most importantly being a leader of men. Put Tebow's heart and intangibles (toughness, drive, never-say-die attitude) in JaMarcus Russell's body, and you'd have a Hall of Fame QB.
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awesomeness
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Just judging by his size and the way he runs, he has a better chance of being a successful FB/TE than he ever will as a QB in the NFL.
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awesomeness
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It's very difficult for college QBs who used the spread to learn the proper footwork of taking a snap from under center. When you consider he also needs to fix his throwing mechanics (which is close to impossible for a QB), Tebow has a minuscule chance, if any, of being taught "proper mechanics" imo.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You may be right. I think he's athletic enough to learn how to do just about anything.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Well, the other thing is he seems like a sharp, dedicated dood, as well. I could see him being a project who could develop some of the physical tools, which might be easier to manufacture than is intelligence/leadership/maturity.I'd gamble on the kid, if it didn't mean totally mortgaging needs at other positions.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Get off the fence Chase...pick an option.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I don't have a crystal ball. I don't know if he'll get proper coaching, if he'll be allowed to only play in situations where he can succeed early on, or if he'll ever get "it" from a throwing perspective. On some teams, in certain situations, I think he could be a very good QB. On a lot of teams, he could stink it up royally. I do think he should be allowed to run some of the things he runs now in the pros. I'm not talking the Wildcat, but putting him in the shotgun and letting him run some spread plays in third and short or goal line situations. He's way too devastating of a short yardage back, IMO, to not be used in that way (especially since you get an extra blocker on the field).
AllVolUT
Footballguy
As mentioned, the kid has values and work ethics you can't teach. However, unless the QB position evolves over his career and becomes more spread-oriented, I don't think there is any way he will be a successful traditional QB. As a Vol fan, I like Tebow. I do think that he will be a solid NFL contributor to some team, whether its as a short-yardage FB, H-back, or just plain team leader/good chemistry guy.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I have this odd feeling that the Jags will take him in the middle of the 1st round to put butts in the seats and be used in a similar role that he was used his freshman year.
Righetti
Footballguy
many people said that Vince Young couldn't make it in the NFL either, he had bad mechanics, played out of the shotgun, was a prolific winner in college.
Now VY hasn't lit the league on fire but he does continue to win and this year he'll win comeback player of the year I'm sure
Now VY hasn't lit the league on fire but he does continue to win and this year he'll win comeback player of the year I'm sure
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If he's not going to develop as a passer, doesn't he project as a Michael Robinson-type player? Sure he's a good short yardage back in college, but I don't think that part of his game will necessarily translate as well as some people think it will. Robinson put up similar rushing statistics at Penn State (at least his final year) but hasn't been able to develop into more than a special teams ace/third string RB/FB.
Sammy Traveller
Footballguy
Ricky Williams will win comeback player of the year -- I called it here first.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
The sympathy vote goes to VY. But, Ricky's the one who deserves it more.
AllVolUT
Footballguy
Sure. But I don't think Robinson's work ethics and values match up with Tebow's though. Those are the best things going for Tebow, imo.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Since Panthers don't have a first round pick you need to add an option for:
"best shot Panthers have at a QB in 2010"
"best shot Panthers have at a QB in 2010"
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Bum.
SSOG
Moderator
As a UF grad who has followed Tebow ever since he was a Senior in High School, I know two things.
#1- Tim Tebow does not look like an NFL QB right now. His mechanics, his progressions, his accuracy, his decision-making... none of it screams "NFL-caliber QB".
#2- I will never bet against Tim Tebow. Ever.
#1- Tim Tebow does not look like an NFL QB right now. His mechanics, his progressions, his accuracy, his decision-making... none of it screams "NFL-caliber QB".
#2- I will never bet against Tim Tebow. Ever.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
He's got the "it" factor. The only question is whether he can put the rest of the parts together.Why not? People talked about it all the time with Vick and Pat White, neither of whom weigh more 220. White is a mere 200 pounds. He's much more suited to the shotgun spread than a power running offense like the wildcat. A 240 pound guy though is a real threat to run between the tackles and the wildcat is a perfect short yardage formation. Unlike White, whose success running the ball in college was largely out of shotgun spreads, and Vick, who excelled at broken plays, Tebow would add a real new dimension to the wildcat offense.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
As a UGA grade who has followed Tebow in college, I agree wholeheartedly with point No.1 and as much as I'd like to say differently, I understand point No.2. That said, I heard Tony Dungy on NBC Sunday night say he thought Tebow was made of the same stuff as Vince Young. In terms of leadership, I agree. In terms of skill potential as a passer, I saw Young do a much better job of making the passes necessary to be an NFL QB. Young just didn't work hard enough early in his career and wasn't as mature as Tebow. Young knew how to lead to some extent, but not the way Tebow has already displayed. Young is also much faster than Tebow. Tebow is more of a FB type of runner. Within the next month or two I will be watching Tebow's games from 2009 closely compared to what I graded in 2008 and I'm looking forward to seeing if he's shown true progress towards growing into a pro QB. Right now I'm skeptical, but I'm rooting for him. His earnestness is refreshing.
EBF
Footballguy
People are always hypnotized by flashy athletes at QB. Guys like Vince Young and Mike Vick have had some success in the NFL with their legs, but at the end of the day a pro QB lives and dies based on his ability to throw the football. I don't care if Tebow can truck a 19 year old linebacker on the goal line. What I want to know is whether or not he can stay poised under pressure, read coverages, anticipate the open receiver, and deliver a catchable pass.
I haven't watched enough of his games to speak with any authority on the subject, but my initial impression is that he's a gimmicky college QB whose friendly system, weak competition, and talented support cast have made him look better than he really is.
I haven't watched enough of his games to speak with any authority on the subject, but my initial impression is that he's a gimmicky college QB whose friendly system, weak competition, and talented support cast have made him look better than he really is.
CowboyFan
Footballguy
He has been working with a (former) NFL qb coach. Scott Loeffler was brought in to work on his mechanics and footwork, which he worked on in the offseason. Tebow may work as hard or harder than any other player, but the flaws in his mechanics are still there. Running the shotgun/spread hasn't given him an opportunity to truly improve his footwork. Improving mechanics/footwork is great in theory, but not likely.
I vote for a good, but short NFL career as an H-back/FB/TE plus wildcat type QB. Short because he runs like a bull in a china shop. He may look like a tank, but his body is still flesh and bone. This is from an offseason article
"He has played with a broken hand, a hyper-extended knee and nagging shoulder pain that prompted painkilling shots before 19 of his last 20 games. He had shoulder surgery in January."
Those hits get viciously harder at the next level.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
This is getting a bit ridiculous. Really? Drafting Tim Tebow equals winning NFL football games? Since when does drafting a QB without the skills necessary to play the position help a football team win?There's a long list of great college "winners" and great "leaders" that were worthless in the pros. Is Tebow more a "winner" than Ken Dorsey or Eric Crouch? More of "leader of men" than Tommie Frazier?Heck, I think the winning-est QB ever in Tebow's own conference was David Greene. Did Greene suddenly forget how to win when he got to the NFL? Nope, he just wasn't very good.Tebow was a great college QB, seems like a nice fellow that works hard, and may very well develop into a quality NFL QB, but this is getting out of hand (I guess that ship sailed years ago).(This is just pure speculation, but if you indeed put Tebow on the Raiders, there's a far greater chance that he'd be duct-taped to the goal post by his teammates than that he'd make them a .500 team).
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Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Tebow will be as good as the coaching staff of the team that drafts him.
Someone who can think outside of the box and is willing to run an unconventional offense (and take the blame when it doesn't work everywhere or early on when Tebow and the are learning the system) can make Tebow a great NFL QB. A staff that tries fit Tebow into a typical pro offense is going to make him look bad.
Someone who can think outside of the box and is willing to run an unconventional offense (and take the blame when it doesn't work everywhere or early on when Tebow and the are learning the system) can make Tebow a great NFL QB. A staff that tries fit Tebow into a typical pro offense is going to make him look bad.
rotorooter
Footballguy
Once he gets with an NFL-caliber QB coach, he can be taught proper mechanics. He already has many of the qualities you look for in a NFL QB, most importantly being a leader of men. Put Tebow's heart and intangibles (toughness, drive, never-say-die attitude) in JaMarcus Russell's body, and you'd have a Hall of Fame QB.
Well maybe JaMarcus' body minus the Big Mac's and Dunkin' Doughnuts.
I think he will be a below avg. QB/backup.
Tebow is a great leader with character and toughness but other than the late steve McNair I cannot recall many QBs with long term success who come
from a spread / spread option offense in college.
From what I have seen he throws a pretty accurate deep post and looks accurate on the quick slats but I'm not seeing him make all the throws anNFL QB has to make. Then again it may be the offense his asked to run.
His experience is reading the spread option and not a traditional NFL QB progression.
He has the size to hold up in the NFL, maybe a bit of the shorterside 6'3? and the intagibles. Question is can he make all the throws and reads...combine to tell.
Well maybe JaMarcus' body minus the Big Mac's and Dunkin' Doughnuts.
I think he will be a below avg. QB/backup.
Tebow is a great leader with character and toughness but other than the late steve McNair I cannot recall many QBs with long term success who come
from a spread / spread option offense in college.
From what I have seen he throws a pretty accurate deep post and looks accurate on the quick slats but I'm not seeing him make all the throws anNFL QB has to make. Then again it may be the offense his asked to run.
His experience is reading the spread option and not a traditional NFL QB progression.
He has the size to hold up in the NFL, maybe a bit of the shorterside 6'3? and the intagibles. Question is can he make all the throws and reads...combine to tell.
with nothing even remotely close to russell's arm. Tebow skips every 10 yard out he tries to throw. If he stresses that he wants to be a QB he will end up a backup and a situational player
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
Sometimes mechanics can be overrated.Philip Rivers does not have great mechanics, yet he's a top 5 QB. And the other way around with a handful of players in the league.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Say, Florida's offense? Whatever you meant, I personally believe is way off base. Guys that throw for a million yards in college hardly translate to the pros. And now the defensive lines and linebackers, not to mention defensive schemes, are getting WAY better. No way. This isn't like playing a few good SEC teams (when compared to these Gator teams) and a tough bowl game every year.Voice Of Reason said:
is he the next Kyle Orton ?
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Glad someone finally brought up Robinson. He's a much better compare for Tebow than Young, IMO. Other than Robinson changing positions a bit, both were great leaders with strong wills, strong arms and could bring the
. But both also have poor accuracy and mechanics. I don't know that Robinson ever got the tutoring he needed in SF to develop those flaws, so maybe Tebow will develop. But my vote is for a better Michael Robinson.
massraider
Footballguy
A bunch of concussions and INTs. Jesus hates Tim Tebow.
Doug B
Footballguy
They showed a stat last night on MNF that the number of NFL-wide QB snaps taken from the shotgun has exploded just over the past 5 years. Tom Brady led the pack by taking 75% of his snaps in the shotgun (I think in 2009 alone for that 75% figure).
Is not lining up under center in college THAT much a hindrance for a QB in the here-and-now NFL? Seems a pro OC could work around that. How was the adjustment for Vince Young coached/handled?
Is not lining up under center in college THAT much a hindrance for a QB in the here-and-now NFL? Seems a pro OC could work around that. How was the adjustment for Vince Young coached/handled?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Why wouldn't they teach him proper mechanics in college? Wouldn't that make him an even bigger threat?
Doug B
Footballguy
Bernie Kosar had famously bad mechanics. Seems he did all right.Going back further, Archie Manning was another no-mechanics guy ... the antithesis of Peyton.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
What would Ricky be coming back from? He played a full season last year and was quite successful in his role.
ChargersOH
Footballguy
All the non Football playing wonks, i.e. the Kiper types seem to think he can't play QB.
The Belichiks and Dungys all think he can play in the NFL.
I think I'll trust the latter.
He has a good arm. He's faster than Roethlisberger, who makes his living scrambling. He has a killer work ethic, and a low chance of Ryan Leafitis.
I think it depends more on where he ends up, than on anything else. That's the same with any QB.
There is no safe pick in the NFL draft. Quarterbacks succeed based on line, receivers, coaching, and then their own abilities. Jay Cutler is a great example of this moving from Denver to Chicago. Same guy, totally different results.
I think given Tebow's potential upside, he's worth a shot for many teams. I don't think people respect the SEC competition he's had, which is as close to the NFL as one can get in football.
The Belichiks and Dungys all think he can play in the NFL.
I think I'll trust the latter.
He has a good arm. He's faster than Roethlisberger, who makes his living scrambling. He has a killer work ethic, and a low chance of Ryan Leafitis.
I think it depends more on where he ends up, than on anything else. That's the same with any QB.
There is no safe pick in the NFL draft. Quarterbacks succeed based on line, receivers, coaching, and then their own abilities. Jay Cutler is a great example of this moving from Denver to Chicago. Same guy, totally different results.
I think given Tebow's potential upside, he's worth a shot for many teams. I don't think people respect the SEC competition he's had, which is as close to the NFL as one can get in football.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Tebow to JAX, doing wildcat plays for a year or two behind Garrard, then taking over makes almost too much sense.
Not to hijack, but is the outlook any better for Colt McCoy? He's more of a natural passer. Limited arm strength. Outstanding accuracy/completion percentage. Similar "winner" nature and running ability to Tebow, although slightly less. If he goes to the right offense I could see him doing great (WCO with talent around him, like Kevin Kolb). I could see him getting thrown to the wolves on a bad team and looking terrible (like Brady Quinn or Joey Harrington). He's also a hard guy to bet against, but also seems like the chips will be stacked against him.
There's so many QBs (likely) coming out this year, it will be an interesting gamble in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of dynasty drafts on which of the 6 or 7 actually hit.
Not to hijack, but is the outlook any better for Colt McCoy? He's more of a natural passer. Limited arm strength. Outstanding accuracy/completion percentage. Similar "winner" nature and running ability to Tebow, although slightly less. If he goes to the right offense I could see him doing great (WCO with talent around him, like Kevin Kolb). I could see him getting thrown to the wolves on a bad team and looking terrible (like Brady Quinn or Joey Harrington). He's also a hard guy to bet against, but also seems like the chips will be stacked against him.
There's so many QBs (likely) coming out this year, it will be an interesting gamble in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of dynasty drafts on which of the 6 or 7 actually hit.
dparker713
Footballguy
He has a long, slow throwing motion and is lacking in both arm strength and accuracy. Throw in all the intangibles you want, they wont be enough. The guy's best option is H-Back/TE
