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I play mostly in dynasty leagues. But I do think in a redraft, the shark move is to trade FOR him, not to trade him away. Of course if you can do it cheaper, well then, that's always betterFree beer at the draft for you, my friend!I figured out that you must be talking keeper league.Now everybody wants me in their leaguesexcept switz I guess.I'd love to hear some of your reasoning here.
You don't ask which guy you would rather have, but rather what the player's perceived value is. This is the core principle Parker was higher in my projections n his draft position, so I was thrilled to get him at 1.09 when i think he could be RB4/RB5 by the end of the year.If Adrian was starting out of the game, even as a rookie, he's probably at least a 2nd round. Dynasty owners have been salivating over him for awhile now - but now all of a sudden he starts vaulting up the charts.I never understood straight up RB-for-RB offers. Obviously we each have our own values around players, but it's hard reason through one of these trades. If you're offering me Willie Parker for Adrian Peterson, clearly you think Peterson is going to outproduce. Even if I think the opposite, I have some negotiation leverage - ok, I'll give you Peterson for Parker, but since you think he's an upgrade, i want an upgrade at WR or some depth etc. You just have to think that any trade offer is going to be a package for Parker/Addai/etc, and those are going to involve giving up Peterson PLUS something, since those other guys are still the perceived strong play.
Someone needs to pin this thread.
Who let the sane guy in?
I agree. I just do not see anything but injury hurting AD chances to perform well. I know people should rightly still have concerns about the Viking lack of passing game to lead to defenses focusing solely on stoping AD, however you need also consider that the Viking defense will support him and his being the primary offensive weapon will cause him to continue to get a lot of opportunity to make plays.So this leads to the question of what defenses focusing almost solely on stoping AD will be able to suceed in doing so?Schedule:2 Sep 16 MIN @ DET 4:05 PM Tickets FOX 713 721 107 144 3 Sep 23 MIN @ KC 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 705 119 140 4 Sep 30 GB @ MIN 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 710 110 143 - I respect GB defense but I do not think they will be able to shut him down.5 Bye 6 Oct 14 MIN @ CHI 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 705 153 107 - they put on a clinic against LT. Maybe they can stop AD also.7 Oct 21 MIN @ DAL 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 707 121 107 8 Oct 28 PHI @ MIN 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 710 181 130 9 Nov 04 SD @ MIN 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 711 126 122 - this defense looks good still. Maybe they can stop him.10 Nov 11 MIN @ GB 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 709 181 130 - I respect GB defense but I do not think they will be able to shut him down.11 Nov 18 OAK @ MIN 1:00 PM Tickets CBS 712 119 105 - The Raiders have a good young defense but are not as good against the running game.12 Nov 25 MIN @ NYG 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 705 118 107 13 Dec 02 DET @ MIN 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 705 110 143 14 Dec 09 MIN @ SF 4:05 PM Tickets FOX 713 140 125 - I was impressed with thier defense but Edge had some success against them.15 Dec 17 CHI @ MIN 8:30 PM Tickets ESPN 206 123 126 - they put on a clinic against LT. Maybe they can stop AD also.16 Dec 23 WAS @ MIN 1:00 PM Tickets FOX 706 158 155 17 Dec 30 MIN @ DEN 4:15 PM Tickets The playoff schedule is not that great as CHI WAS DEN are all pretty solid D. But I can still see AD having a season better than many of the top 10 drafted RB. The Bears and SD are the only defenses that really give me pause. And the Viking defense against Grossman could lead to many changes of possesion.Now everybody wants me in their leaguesexcept switz I guess.I'd love to hear some of your reasoning here.
Note: The above was my original response, not realizing you edited your post before I finished mine...So...Last year was the first time Westbrook put up those numbers, and stayed healthy. Quite unlikely to happen again.As for Parker, I'm not sold on him.Peterson is a once in a generation talent, who should remain healthy due to splitting the load, AND doesn't need 20 touches to put up huge numbers.I wouldn't be surprised to see Peterson finish THIS season ahead of both FWP and Westbrook - by a large margin. In fact, you can pin this thread I'm so confident in it.
In a redraft, I would probably keep Lynch. Lynch's game against Denver was more meaningful to me than Peterson's game against Atlanta. And I say this as a guy who took Peterson at 1.01 in a rookie draft and who has Lynch on only one roster (a free survivor league). I think the complete lack of a passing game is going to make Peterson a very inconsistent option. He'll break some huge highlight reel runs and put up a couple monster games, but he's going to have his share of dud weeks.Lynch should be more consistent. He's going to get 15-20 carries with 3-5 catches every week. And while no one will confuse the Bills for the Colts, I'd rather have Losman/Evans/Price/Parrish than Jackson/Wade/Rice/Williamson.
Sharks know AP was a one hit wonder, maybe you can get a good kicker for him from a desparate owner though. CT is entrenched as the starter and primary RB. Childress has already stated this, so just be happy Peterson had one good week before he returns to his back up role.
As a whole, Buffalo has a better offense and a better team.
The bolded sentence is indisputable. But I think it's clear that Minn will use Taylor when/if he's healthy in a platoon. I think that about a 50/50 or 60/40 split will happen when both backs are available. The Vikes know they have a special talent in Peterson. But they will not grind him into the ground.
I wouldnt be so sure Taylor comes in and immediately takes back the majority of the carries, Peterson may have slammed that door shut. At the MOST Taylor will be getting 50% of the carries. O and by the time Peterson had about 16 touches he was already at 150 all purpose.I have Peterson and I dont think I would trade unless it was an unbelievable offer, but its dynasty not redraft. In redraft I think Id trade him for a several of the top guys
calling him a one hit wonder is ridiculous. If the guy got 5 touches he would have a chance to take it to the house 5 times. He has power, speed, and instincts that doesn't usually point to a one hit wonder
And what "Sharks" have you consulted?
No. That's dumb.Parker/Westbrook...WOWIs his value that HIGH right now?
Sharks like you said Cutler didn't know who Javon Walker was but he was targeted more than any WR last week. Does anyone take you seriously?
In a redraft? I have Peterson in a Dynasty league and I am a big fan. But no way would I take Peterson if I had Jackson in a redraft.
Bad analogy. Completely different runners, completely different situations. Peterson's talent is going to be magnified running behind one of the absolute best o-lines in football. Chester was good last year. Peterson's more talented, and running behind an improved, healthy line. Big success says Borat.
No one would trade LT because two other studs is not enough. And no one would trade three studs for him.
I think the Bills have the best run blocking left side of an offensive line in the league. Peters and Dockery are as good as it gets right now IMO. McKinnie and Hutch are definitely a great left side in their own right, but I don't think most people realize how good Peters and Dockery are. That said, I love AD and only really really like Lynch.
You wouldn't trade LT for three studs? SJax, Palmer, and Gates wouldn't be enough for LT? Ha. Anyway, you'd be suprised how many people will bail on studs if they aren't starting out hot. Not many will on Tomlinson, but if you can find that one dumb owner, then you've hit paydirt. C'mon Patriots defense, photograph some offensive plays so you can shutdown LT!
Second time I've seen that Gore comparison. It's slightly flawed though as Gore didn't have a 1200 yard RB from the previous year listed above him on the depth chart. Fortunately/unfortunately (depending which side you fall on), that 1200 yard RB got hurt for AD, but not for the season. Gore's situation was simply a case of whether you believed he had the talent to keep producing on a poor 49er team. AD's situation is slightly different in that you not only have to ask yourself if he can succeed with a perceived poor passing Viking team, but also if he will get enough touches to do so due to Chester Taylor.I'm a 2X AD owner myself, so I'm very interested in this thread too.
Your right I dont realize that Peters and Dockery are better run blockers than Mt McKinney and Hutchinson.
Dude, that's the most ridiculous offer. I would forward that to the whole league as an example of an obnoxious joke. Trade offers like that ruin trading...
Case in point: Marshall scored the TD, not Walker. Back to the issue at hand: Childress' opinion matters more than any of ours, and CT is his guy.
These are the rankings (from last year) of the run defenses that AD will face for this season:12
For the record, the Falcons were #12 against the run last year.
#1) Always start with a lowball offer. Counteroffers back and forth are the way trades get done in this league. Everyone knows the first offer is a lowball offer. I have had 1 or 2 go through though - so there is some merit to it.#2) Despite the man-love for AP in this thread, I had him ranked as the #22 back in our scoring system going into the season, and Taylor #28. Roethlisberger I had ranked as the #8 QB and Favre #15. The guy with Favre has Pennington as a backup and is desperate for a QB. It's not nearly as lopsided as you imagine at a glance. It's a very TD-heavy league so Roethlisberger's value is high right now (I also knew he would demand Romo instead of Roethlisberger - see #1.)#3) He came to me looking to trade. I have depth at every position and am dealing from the position of strength - he's the one that's desperate. In a situation like that, if you're not trying to extract the maximum you can get from a trade, you don't know what you're doing. He's also a Steeler homer, so I knew his perceived value of Roethlisberger would be higher than any of the other owners.#4) He's already submitting counter-offers and I stand to obtain either Colston or Calvin Johnson for Roethlisberger.What else you got, wonder boy?
in a non keeper league I'd trade him for westy and FWP (but its close). But I wouldnt do it for MJD.hell I just essentially offered LJ for AP.
I disagree. We are all quickly forgetting the Minnesota is a BAD FOOTBALL TEAM. This team is going to be playing from behind A LOT, especially in a division that is suddenly looking less like a joke. Chester was good last year? Chester will likely be good this year. Minnesotas o-line is not that good- they were 14th in yards per carry last year. To compare they to Indy or San Diego is ridiculous, healthy or not. All we know is AP looked great playing a terrible team in total disarray when Taylor couldnt play. How will he look against a stout defense? How will his touches look when Chester is back knowing AP isnt going to be picking up the blitz as well? How will he look when his body gets tired? The point is people give ADDED value to a rookie (because htey dont see the flaws) when in fact they should logically be doing the exact opposite, because they dont have as much information on him.Im not saying you cant roll with Peterson- im just warning not to fall in love with a rookie after one game against an even worse team. My point was giving this much love to a veteran player would get you laughed at, but because AP is an unknown quantity its easy to forget that even though we havent seen the blemishes they DO exist. Remember the adage about 1st round fantasy picks- you cant win the 1st round but you can lose. When you start talking about dealing 1st round picks for a 4th round back after one game- rookie or not, you are playing with fire.
Umm no. They may have a HORRIBLE passing game but they got a great OLine, great running game, and phenomenal defense. This is not a bad football team in the slightest.
Minn o-line is not that good? They have one of the most tremendous O-lines in the entire NFL. I'm not sure where you derived this conclusion basing it just on ypc (which is also a reflection on how average Chester Taylor is), but it is incorrect.
I am predicting he will be a top 5 back by that point, but his schedule starts to get tougher after the bye.
