Today's Mass Readings (1 Viewer)

[Psychopav]

Coming off of the Fortnight for Freedom, this week's violence has brought into focus the crisis of unity our country faces.  I believe this is a spiritual - not a political - crisis, which above all requires a spiritual - not a political - solution.  For the Christian, job one is recognizing the dignity inherent in each human life.

And for those who are Catholic (and others who follow the Catholic cycle of readings), today we received a powerful message directly from the Holy Spirit which I believe crystallizes the important crossroads in which we as a nation and a culture find ourselves.  We need no apparition, no sun falling from the sky, to awaken us, we need only heed the words our Lord brings to us inn today's mass.

http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings/071016.cfm

To paraphrase:

First reading:   DT 30:10-14 - Return to the Lord.  It's simple, for the truth is in our hearts.  We have only to carry it out.

Psalm: PS 69:14, 17, 30-31, 33-34, 36, 37 - Turn to the Lord in your need and you will live.

Second reading:  COL 1:15-20 - All things are reconciled in peace, in the blood of Christ.

Gospel:  LK 10:25-37 - The parable of the good Samaritan.  "Go and do likewise."

We can heed the truth or we can deny the truth.  The choice is ours, to be carried out in our daily lives, in love.  Not in the ballot box, but in our churches and in our communities.

 

[matuski]

You already have one of these.. keep it in one thread?

 

[matuski]

My take on this crap anyways.. don't do any of those things because you are told to, least of all by invisible beings.

If you need to reference and rely on invisible beings to argue for good.. I am doubting your intentions.

 

[Psychopav]

For those that have eyes to see, these readings are about as providential as it gets.

This thread isn't really addressed to nonbelievers.  I wouldn't expect you to understand or accept, @matuski.  God bless.

 

[matuski]

For those that have eyes to see, these readings are about as providential as it gets.

This thread isn't really addressed to nonbelievers.  I wouldn't expect you to understand or accept, @matuski.  God bless.

Again, any good done because you were told to - especially because invisible beings told you to - is disingenuous at best.  Do it for yourself, and for others.. because you don't need to be told to, because it stands on its own merits as the right thing to do.

Praise and support good done by yourself and others as good done by yourself and others, condemn the horrible likewise.. face the fear and work on it, don't look to the sky for answers.

Nobody in the clouds is going to fix these issues.... we will or we won't.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Pav, I lost an old friend today, thanks for these.

 

[Chemical X]

this is the biggest mass reading in the history of this board.

 

[shader]

Again, any good done because you were told to - especially because invisible beings told you to - is disingenuous at best.  Do it for yourself, and for others.. because you don't need to be told to, because it stands on its own merits as the right thing to do.

Praise and support good done by yourself and others as good done by yourself and others, condemn the horrible likewise.. face the fear and work on it, don't look to the sky for answers.

Nobody in the clouds is going to fix these issues.... we will or we won't.

My take on this crap anyways.. don't do any of those things because you are told to, least of all by invisible beings.

If you need to reference and rely on invisible beings to argue for good.. I am doubting your intentions.

classy

 

[matuski]

classy

Childish - Love one another, be good to each other.  

No need to bring invisible beings and fairy tales into this message.

 

[matuski]

Classy is using times of tragedy to expand religious influence.

 

[The General]

I'd like to request some Tom Clancy.

 

[timschochet]

Childish - we need to stop trying to use fairy tales to manipulate people..

Love one another, be good to each other.  No need to bring invisible beings into this message.

Why are you doing this? You're being one of the atheists who give the rest of us a bad name. 

For years we have asked religious people to leave us alone and let us think as we wish. But that goes both ways. Why do you feel to denigrate others' religious beliefs? I think you're the one being childish here (and normally I like your posts). 

 

[matuski]

Why are you doing this? You're being one of the atheists who give the rest of us a bad name. 

For years we have asked religious people to leave us alone and let us think as we wish. But that goes both ways. Why do you feel to denigrate others' religious beliefs? I think you're the one being childish here (and normally I like your posts). 

I am not one of you.

And my message isn't anything so awful.

Do good.  On the merits of doing good.

 

[mr roboto]

Classy is using times of tragedy to expand religious influence.

You're a real fine dude. Look at the big boy pants on you. 

 

[matuski]

You're a real fine dude. Look at the big boy pants on you. 

Hey thanks.

 

[dino259]

Again, any good done because you were told to - especially because invisible beings told you to - is disingenuous at best.  Do it for yourself, and for others.. because you don't need to be told to, because it stands on its own merits as the right thing to do.

Praise and support good done by yourself and others as good done by yourself and others, condemn the horrible likewise.. face the fear and work on it, don't look to the sky for answers.

Nobody in the clouds is going to fix these issues.... we will or we won't.

Is this any different than a parent telling a kid to say thank you or please?

Acceptance and respect of other is the biggest factor to the direction of society.  If religion helps with that great.  Although the other side of religion is how many wars it has started.

 

[Pots]

I am not one of you.

And my message isn't anything so awful.

Do good.  On the merits of doing good.

Your message is mostly obscured by your need to look down upon and mock another's religion. Respectfully delivering your message is something you've shown incapable of in this thread, and that's sad.

 

[Jayrod]

Childish - Love one another, be good to each other.  

No need to bring invisible beings and fairy tales into this message.

Now where did you get this line of thinking?

 

[McGarnicle]

Love one another, be good to each other.  

Agreed. So stop posting in here. 

 

[matuski]

Agreed. So stop posting in here. 

Meh.. I left it alone in his other threads.  I'll make my iStand against it here.

A personal peeve of mine when religion (not unlike politics) tries to leverage people's fear and weakness in tough times.

 

[McGarnicle]

Meh.. I left it alone in his other threads.  I'll make my iStand against it here.

A personal peeve of mine when religion (not unlike politics) tries to leverage people's fear and weakness in tough times.

There's a pet peeve thread.

 

[matuski]

There's a pet peeve thread.

This is it.  This is the one.

 

[quickhands]

Thanks Pav.

 

[Despyzer]

Coming off of the Fortnight for Freedom, this week's violence has brought into focus the crisis of unity our country faces.  I believe this is a spiritual - not a political - crisis, which above all requires a spiritual - not a political - solution.  For the Christian, job one is recognizing the dignity inherent in each human life.

Our pastor spoke from Romans 12:9-12 as a guideline on how to love.

9 Don’t just pretend to love others. Really love them. Hate what is wrong. Hold tightly to what is good. 10 Love each other with genuine affection,[a] and take delight in honoring each other. 11 Never be lazy, but work hard and serve the Lord enthusiastically.[b] 12 Rejoice in our confident hope. Be patient in trouble, and keep on praying.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Meh, I'll go on record that I don't see how matuski's comments are all that disrespectful.  Don't take yourselves too seriously, fellas.

We all agree that humans should be good to other humans.  Just do it, no need to dress it up.  

 

[McGarnicle]

Meh, I'll go on record that I don't see how matuski's comments are all that disrespectful.  Don't take yourselves too seriously, fellas.

We all agree that humans should be good to other humans.  Just do it, no need to dress it up.  

Do you think being good to other humans includes crapping on a religious thread? I mean WTF, if it's not your thing just let it go. Is it cool to go into the Game of Thrones thread and tell them the show is stupid? 

 

[tonydead]

First Reading: All about God.

Psalms: All about God.

Second Reading: All about God.

Gospels: Finally getting round to the good Samaritan after taking credit.

Seems like we'd get a lot more done if we skipped the God part.

 

[tonydead]

Do you think being good to other humans includes crapping on a religious thread? I mean WTF, if it's not your thing just let it go. Is it cool to go into the Game of Thrones WALKING DEAD thread and tell them the show is stupid? 

Yes.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Do you think being good to other humans includes crapping on a religious thread? I mean WTF, if it's not your thing just let it go. Is it cool to go into the Game of Thrones thread and tell them the show is stupid? 

If this was a thread about a television adaptation of the bible that analogy might make more sense.  But it's not, it's a thread in which OP claims in all seriousness that our current societal problems require "a spiritual - not a political - solution."  I don't see how it's out of line for someone to voice their disagreement with that sentiment, this is a discussion forum, that's what it's for.  

 

[Cjw_55106]

If this was a thread about a television adaptation of the bible that analogy might make more sense.  But it's not, it's a thread in which OP claims in all seriousness that our current societal problems require "a spiritual - not a political - solution."  I don't see how it's out of line for someone to voice their disagreement with that sentiment, this is a discussion forum, that's what it's for.  

When you refer to God as someone in the clouds and a fairy tail, you arent looking for discussion. You are a troll. 

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

When you refer to God as someone in the clouds and a fairy tail, you arent looking for discussion. You are a troll. 

Nah, I see it the other way.  If you completely shut down at the first mention that your god is mythological, you aren't looking for discussion.  You're looking for your daily dose of confirmation.

 

[matuski]

Do you think being good to other humans includes crapping on a religious thread? I mean WTF, if it's not your thing just let it go. Is it cool to go into the Game of Thrones thread and tell them the show is stupid? 

I am making my counter to the OP's premise.  I disagree with everything about it.  I find it wrong to use a time like this to exploit people, I said the same in the political thread.

People disagree with me.. fair enough.  I don't understand you whining about it. 

Also - Game of Thrones is stupid.  I love it.

 

[matuski]

If this was a thread about a television adaptation of the bible that analogy might make more sense.  But it's not, it's a thread in which OP claims in all seriousness that our current societal problems require "a spiritual - not a political - solution."  I don't see how it's out of line for someone to voice their disagreement with that sentiment, this is a discussion forum, that's what it's for.  

Yep.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

First Reading: All about God.

Psalms: All about God.

Second Reading: All about God.

Gospels: Finally getting round to the good Samaritan after taking credit.

Seems like we'd get a lot more done if we skipped the God part.

Yaknow, hypothetically, in terms of threads and making them interesting, for those who can find secular or humanist meanings in the Bible, it might actually be interesting to look at the verses cited to see what philosophical ideas are contained within. People could take this into a different secular direction than just attacking the messenger (which thankfully has just been one person).

 

[shader]

"Hey here are some scriptures that might be comforting"

"STOP EXPLOITING PEOPLE"

 

[Psychopav]

If this was a thread about a television adaptation of the bible that analogy might make more sense.  But it's not, it's a thread in which OP claims in all seriousness that our current societal problems require "a spiritual - not a political - solution."  I don't see how it's out of line for someone to voice their disagreement with that sentiment, this is a discussion forum, that's what it's for.  

FWIW, I agree with this sentiment.

On the other hand, I created this thread for Christians, to point out something to like-minded individuals with the same worldview that I have, to encourage and support that worldview.  You'll forgive me if I don't feel any particular need to engage in that particular branch of discussion in this particular thread.

 

[matuski]

When you refer to God as someone in the clouds and a fairy tail, you arent looking for discussion. You are a troll. 

Is your god not invisible, in the clouds/sky, and the main character in a book with magical and supernatural beings and events?

Reminding you what you believe isn't trolling - unless what you believe sounds like trolling to you?  In which case we are in agreement.

 

[tonydead]

Yaknow, hypothetically, in terms of threads and making them interesting, for those who can find secular or humanist meanings in the Bible, it might actually be interesting to look at the verses cited to see what philosophical ideas are contained within. People could take this into a different secular direction than just attacking the messenger (which thankfully has just been one person).

I read the whole mass reading.  

 

[fdas2]

I don't believe in organized religion, or God, or Allah, or a Flying Spaghetti Monster.  Know what I don't do though? BE A GIANT DICK to those who do.  If someone wants to believe, let them.  It's not your place @matuski, or mine to judge. 

Besides, shouldn't you be in training to rain hell down on Floyd Mayweather, or whatever delusions you have?

 

[matuski]

Yaknow, hypothetically, in terms of threads and making them interesting, for those who can find secular or humanist meanings in the Bible, it might actually be interesting to look at the verses cited to see what philosophical ideas are contained within. People could take this into a different secular direction than just attacking the messenger (which thankfully has just been one person).

I read them.  I don't consider pav the messenger.. he is only parroting what he is told.

 

[McGarnicle]

Is your god not invisible, in the clouds/sky, and the main character in a book with magical and supernatural beings and events?

Reminding you what you believe isn't trolling - unless what you believe sounds like trolling to you?

The #### is wrong with you? Does this look like a thread to debate the merits of Catholicism? You are way, way, way out of line. 

 

[tonydead]

"Hey here are some scriptures that might be comforting"  I believe this is a spiritual - not a political - crisis, which above all requires a spiritual - not a political - solution.

"STOP EXPLOITING PEOPLE"

FYP. 

 

[matuski]

The #### is wrong with you? Does this look like a thread to debate the merits of Catholicism? You are way, way, way out of line. 

I disagree.  This thread is here to push religion.. I am pushing back.

Did I get something wrong there?

 

[McGarnicle]

I disagree.  This thread is here to push religion.. I am pushing back.

Did I get something wrong there?

Yes, you couldn't be more wrong if your ### was screwed on backwards. And this is no longer worth my time. You're obviously just ignorant and this is a pointless discussion.

 

[matuski]

All these personal shots being taken.

 

[matuski]

Yes, you couldn't be more wrong if your ### was screwed on backwards. And this is no longer worth my time. You're obviously just ignorant and this is a pointless discussion.

Which part is wrong.. the one where god is invisible.. or the part where he is in the clouds/sky.. or magical and supernatural?

Seems pretty spot on?  A factual representation of the god Christians believe in... also fits most every other god as well.

 

[sho nuff]

Coming off of the Fortnight for Freedom, this week's violence has brought into focus the crisis of unity our country faces.  I believe this is a spiritual - not a political - crisis, which above all requires a spiritual - not a political - solution.  For the Christian, job one is recognizing the dignity inherent in each human life.

And for those who are Catholic (and others who follow the Catholic cycle of readings), today we received a powerful message directly from the Holy Spirit which I believe crystallizes the important crossroads in which we as a nation and a culture find ourselves.  We need no apparition, no sun falling from the sky, to awaken us, we need only heed the words our Lord brings to us inn today's mass.

http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings/071016.cfm

To paraphrase:

First reading:   DT 30:10-14 - Return to the Lord.  It's simple, for the truth is in our hearts.  We have only to carry it out.

Psalm: PS 69:14, 17, 30-31, 33-34, 36, 37 - Turn to the Lord in your need and you will live.

Second reading:  COL 1:15-20 - All things are reconciled in peace, in the blood of Christ.

Gospel:  LK 10:25-37 - The parable of the good Samaritan.  "Go and do likewise."

We can heed the truth or we can deny the truth.  The choice is ours, to be carried out in our daily lives, in love.  Not in the ballot box, but in our churches and in our communities.

Last 3 weeks of readings and subsequent Homilies by my Priest have been pretty well timed with the current events.

His words of moving forward and how we should treat all people have been great and with current events, very much needed.

He had some good lines this last week of wondering how some people would feel...or would they care if things happened a certain way.  Along the lines of:

If your home was broken into...do you care what color the cop is that comes to your door/?   If you are in an accident and in an ambulance, do you care if your driver is a Muslim?  Or gay?  Do you care the gender of the person giving you an IV?  Do you care the nationality/race/religion or creed of someone who donates blood to you?

When things really matter in life...things like color or religion don't seem to make a bit of difference.

I know some don't care for religion, church or being preached to...but the messages have been great lately.

 

[Despyzer]

I disagree.  This thread is here to push religion.. I am pushing back.

Did I get something wrong there?

It's been stated that this is a thread for like-minded people, so there is no pushing of religion going on here, so it looks like you are "pushing back" for no other reason than to be a jerk. It's easy to see where people think you are doing something wrong.

 

[Phil Elliott]

One concept that is present in most religions and cultures is "Treat others as you would want them to treat you."

 

[shader]

Which part is wrong.. the one where god is invisible.. or the part where he is in the clouds/sky.. or magical and supernatural?

Seems pretty spot on?  A factual representation of the god Christians believe in... also fits most every other god as well.

No person today thinks that God lives in the clouds or in the sky.  That's just things people like you say to try and make people that believe in God look silly.

Can I answer where I believe God lives?  No.  It's not something I can explain, and I'm fine if you think I'm an idiot or if you don't believe it, or whatever.  I've seen some say it's another dimension, tie it into quantum mechanics, say it's outside of the universe somehow...who knows, I surely don't.  But I don't believe God is a bearded guy living up in the sky, that's just a silly analogy.

Also, none of us think God is "magical or supernatural".  If there were a God, that actually created the universe, and he thus actually created all the laws of physics (of which we've only learned a small percentage of), then I'd imagine that after creating this highly organized and scientific world, he'd have a highly organized and scientific way that he interacts with that physical universe.  

Invisible, yeah I'll grant you that one.