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Tomlin made the stupidest coaching decision ever (1 Viewer)

Perfect Tommy

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With 10 minutes left in the game, it was a horrible mistake to go for the 2-point conversion from the 12 yard line. It was easy to see that there is plenty of time for 1-point to be important. There was no need to go for the longshot. And as it turned out, if they had kicked the extra point, kicked another on their next TD, they would be looking at overtime instead of a loss. In fairness, I think Benching Flutie for Rob Johnson was a stupider coaching decision. But this is 2nd.

 
With 10 minutes left in the game, it was a horrible mistake to go for the 2-point conversion from the 12 yard line. It was easy to see that there is plenty of time for 1-point to be important. There was no need to go for the longshot. And as it turned out, if they had kicked the extra point, kicked another on their next TD, they would be looking at overtime instead of a loss. In fairness, I think Benching Flutie for Rob Johnson was a stupider coaching decision. But this is 2nd.
Spending all day Saturday at the beauty salon was a worst mistake. But that whole go for two thing was close.
 
In his post-game press conference, airing on ESPN right now, he said he went for 2 then because that is what the chart says and also said that everyone has the same chart. Um, okay.

 
With 10 minutes left in the game, it was a horrible mistake to go for the 2-point conversion from the 12 yard line. It was easy to see that there is plenty of time for 1-point to be important. There was no need to go for the longshot. And as it turned out, if they had kicked the extra point, kicked another on their next TD, they would be looking at overtime instead of a loss. In fairness, I think Benching Flutie for Rob Johnson was a stupider coaching decision. But this is 2nd.
I was shocked..a rookie mistake for sure.
 
In his post-game press conference, airing on ESPN right now, he said he went for 2 then because that is what the chart says and also said that everyone has the same chart. Um, okay.
Someone should tell Tomlin the chart doesnt pertain to 2 pt conversions of more than 10 yards. :goodposting:
 
On the initial attempt, I thought it was a 50/50 call, but once they got backed up with the penalty they should have kicked the PAT.

 
Can someone explain to me how that one play change the game for us. If he goes for the extra point, guess what guys we lose by 1 point not 2. So a 1 one point is better than a 2 point loss in the playoffs?

We lost because we couldn't run the ball. If Willie Parker is on the field in the last 5 minutes then maybe we get a first down

 
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No problem with the two point attempt but Tomlin screwed up when he chose to play not to lose. When the Steelers had the ball with about 3 and half minutes left they thought they could run out the clock despite the Jags having 3 timeouts left. That decision to not put the ball in the air and run a QB keeper on third and 6 when all the Jags need to beat you is a FG with over 3 minutes to play is stupid.

 
The worst thing was going with the turtle offense when they were up 29-28 with 3 minutes left. A couple of short passes and they seal the game.

 
Can someone explain to me how that one play change the game for us. If he goes for the extra point, guess what guys we lose by 1 point not 2. So a 1 one point is better than a 2 point loss in the playoffs?
Because we would not have went for two the second time.
 
It was a BS, phantom holding call on a lineman that put 'em in that spot to begin with. But correct in that once backed up, they needed to kick the XP. The goofy 3rd down run by Roethlisberger when you could put the game away with a completed pass is the more hideous call, imo. Why not throw to win at that point on 3rd and 7? A QB run? Youve gotta be kidding me.

 
I love the coulda shoulda wouldas.

To me, the biggest ####### killer (besides Garrard's long run...and Ike Taylor's personal foul...and the ####### quarterback keeper on 3rd and 7 with less than three minutes left...and the MoJo kick return...and the Mathis INT for a TD...and...) was Sean Mahan's holding penalty when Ward caught the two point conversion. That was a bull#### call and even if it was a legit call, there was no need for him to hold on the play.

Sorry, I'm just really pissed off right now.

 
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I love the coulda shoulda wouldas.To me, the biggest ####### killer (besides Garrard's long run...and Ike Taylor's personal fowl...and the MoJo kick return...and the Mathis INT for a TD...and...) was Sean Mahan's holding penalty when Ward caught the two point conversion. That was a bull#### call and even if it was a legit call, there was no need for him to hold on the play.Sorry, I'm just really pissed off right now.
:rolleyes: I think this is the best posting of the night. Tomlin is the easy way for folks to vent their frustration.
 
I love the coulda shoulda wouldas.To me, the biggest ####### killer (besides Garrard's long run...and Ike Taylor's personal fowl...and the MoJo kick return...and the Mathis INT for a TD...and...) was Sean Mahan's holding penalty when Ward caught the two point conversion. That was a bull#### call and even if it was a legit call, there was no need for him to hold on the play.Sorry, I'm just really pissed off right now.
:rolleyes: I think this is the best posting of the night. Tomlin is the easy way for folks to vent their frustration.
Thanks :shrug: ...knowing that I made one person laugh is a bright spot in this gloomy loss...The Steelers had no business even being in this game tonight, but they gave it one helluva run. They were so close...I just wanted them to win to shut up every single analyst that picked Jacksonville to win (and that was probably 97% of them).
 
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I love the coulda shoulda wouldas.To me, the biggest ####### killer (besides Garrard's long run...and Ike Taylor's personal foul...and the ####### quarterback keeper on 3rd and 7 with less than three minutes left...and the MoJo kick return...and the Mathis INT for a TD...and...) was Sean Mahan's holding penalty when Ward caught the two point conversion. That was a bull#### call and even if it was a legit call, there was no need for him to hold on the play.Sorry, I'm just really pissed off right now.
Im feelin' ya, so complete and total sympathy. Id love to hear from all the knuckleheads about that holding call that were previously stating how the refs were trying to push your boys thru. It was a bad call, and of course not the only one, but that was a bad, bad call. Dont take it too hard. Take a couple of shots and hit the rack, and enjoy the rest of the playoffs.
 
Can someone explain to me how that one play change the game for us. If he goes for the extra point, guess what guys we lose by 1 point not 2. So a 1 one point is better than a 2 point loss in the playoffs?
Because we would not have went for two the second time.
Ten minutes left, down 5 after just scoring a TD and Tomlin has to decide whether to go for 1 or two. I think an argument can be made for either given the circumstances (i.e. 10 minutes left and Jax has been moving the ball pretty well). I probably go for two though.But when you get the holding penalty you MUST kick the extra point there. Tomlin's chart might say go for two when down 5 in the 4th, but this assumes the ball is on the 2 1/2 yd line. Jax is moving the ball well and with ten minutes left you should probably assume that they'll be able to get a FG. So with this in mind you have to kick the extra point. Here's the problem with the chart that Tomlin was using:it doesn't account for how much time is left in the gameit doesn't account for how well the opposing offense is moving the ball against your teamFailing to take these two conditions into account (not to mention the spot of the ball) is more than just a rookie mistake...it's asinine.
 
Can someone explain to me how that one play change the game for us. If he goes for the extra point, guess what guys we lose by 1 point not 2. So a 1 one point is better than a 2 point loss in the playoffs?
Is this a serious question? Me thinks you might want to check the play-by-play, think really really hard, and then come back.
 
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I love the coulda shoulda wouldas.To me, the biggest ####### killer (besides Garrard's long run...and Ike Taylor's personal foul...and the ####### quarterback keeper on 3rd and 7 with less than three minutes left...and the MoJo kick return...and the Mathis INT for a TD...and...) was Sean Mahan's holding penalty when Ward caught the two point conversion. That was a bull#### call and even if it was a legit call, there was no need for him to hold on the play.Sorry, I'm just really pissed off right now.
Im feelin' ya, so complete and total sympathy. Id love to hear from all the knuckleheads about that holding call that were previously stating how the refs were trying to push your boys thru. It was a bad call, and of course not the only one, but that was a bad, bad call. Dont take it too hard. Take a couple of shots and hit the rack, and enjoy the rest of the playoffs.
LOL, thanks! I still can't believe they called him for holding, but it's kinda fitting because he really has been awful all season (making average NTs look like all-pros, *coughDwayneRobertsoncough*. I think the rum and cokes are talking, but of course, that is when the truth comes out. The officiating was quite ticky tacky...to the benefit of both teams (yes, the Steelers got away with some).The truth is, the winner of the Jax/Pit game was just fodder for NE. Now I will be able to chill (like you said), and enjoy my favorite event in sports, the NFL playoffs.
 
Jax is moving the ball well and with ten minutes left you should probably assume that they'll be able to get a FG.
Are you freaking kidding me??? Were you watching the same game?????? Jax did not move the ball well all game. They barely had over 200 yards of offense before the Garrard run. Three of their TDs were set up by interceptions and MoJo's kickoff return.
 
I love the coulda shoulda wouldas.To me, the biggest ####### killer (besides Garrard's long run...and Ike Taylor's personal foul...and the ####### quarterback keeper on 3rd and 7 with less than three minutes left...and the MoJo kick return...and the Mathis INT for a TD...and...) was Sean Mahan's holding penalty when Ward caught the two point conversion. That was a bull#### call and even if it was a legit call, there was no need for him to hold on the play.Sorry, I'm just really pissed off right now.
I think the refs believed that because Mahan has not blocked anybody all year and he must have been holding on the play because his guy was not on top of Ben.
 
Bruce Arians balls shrank up on the 3rd and 5 QB draw call, at least call a play were Ben has the option to run or pass, played not to lose instead of being aggresive and play to win. We were all over them at this point, have some balls Arians !!!!

 
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Bruce Arians balls shrank up on the 3rd and 5 QB draw call, at least call a play were Ben has the option to run or pass, played not to lose instead of being aggresive and play to win.
Yep, I hope Arians and the Special Teams coach gets a pink slip on Monday.
 
Bruce Arians balls shrank up on the 3rd and 5 QB draw call, at least call a play were Ben has the option to run or pass, played not to lose instead of being aggresive and play to win.
Man, if they want to run a friggen QB draw on that play, at least run it up the middle. They had five wide to spread the field. Why try to pull all of the O-lineman and rely on two WRs to block????
 
In his post-game press conference, airing on ESPN right now, he said he went for 2 then because that is what the chart says and also said that everyone has the same chart. Um, okay.
He also said if he had a crystal ball and knew they would lose by two he would have kicked the XP if that makes you feel better.
 
I love the coulda shoulda wouldas.To me, the biggest ####### killer (besides Garrard's long run...and Ike Taylor's personal foul...and the ####### quarterback keeper on 3rd and 7 with less than three minutes left...and the MoJo kick return...and the Mathis INT for a TD...and...) was Sean Mahan's holding penalty when Ward caught the two point conversion. That was a bull#### call and even if it was a legit call, there was no need for him to hold on the play.Sorry, I'm just really pissed off right now.
I think the refs believed that because Mahan has not blocked anybody all year and he must have been holding on the play because his guy was not on top of Ben.
Yes, yes...you have a good point...ugh...hopefully they draft O-linemen in the first four rounds so Mahan can become a 3.5mil per year backup lineman...
 
I agree it was pretty stupid going for all those two pointers.

But I was more intrigued by the non-call on Kalif Barnes on Garrard's fourth down jaunt down the field - not to mention the non-call on Hines Ward when he had his face up inside the DBs face mask. LOL.... the officiating sucked just as bad as Tomlin's 2pt strategies.

 
ceisenhower66 said:
Morton Muffley said:
Jax is moving the ball well and with ten minutes left you should probably assume that they'll be able to get a FG.
Are you freaking kidding me??? Were you watching the same game?????? Jax did not move the ball well all game. They barely had over 200 yards of offense before the Garrard run. Three of their TDs were set up by interceptions and MoJo's kickoff return.
At the point in the game where Tomlin was making that decision Jax had 8 Drives. Those drives had resulted in 3 Tds, 1 missed FG, 3 punts, and 2 Ints. I thought both Ints were poor throws/decisions that were uncharateristic of Garard and there fore did not think that Pitt/Tomlin should be counting on more of that. As such, I'd classify those eight drives as moving the ball pretty well. To make it clearer, I'm suggesting that this decision needed to be made with the understanding that Jax was gonna get at least two more possessions and the idea of them driving for a FG was more likely than not. With that belief, it's hard to see why one would think going for two from the twelve has a positive long-term expectation.For the record, I'm a Pats fan so I have no dog in this race. Just stating that I thought at the time that it was a bad decsion. So not trying to play the 20/20 hindsight game.
 
Novice2 said:
Ghost Rider said:
In his post-game press conference, airing on ESPN right now, he said he went for 2 then because that is what the chart says and also said that everyone has the same chart. Um, okay.
He also said if he had a crystal ball and knew they would lose by two he would have kicked the XP if that makes you feel better.
Situations change every possesion of the game. Tomlin made a blunder. Regardless of the final score.
 
ceisenhower66 said:
Morton Muffley said:
Jax is moving the ball well and with ten minutes left you should probably assume that they'll be able to get a FG.
Are you freaking kidding me??? Were you watching the same game?????? Jax did not move the ball well all game. They barely had over 200 yards of offense before the Garrard run. Three of their TDs were set up by interceptions and MoJo's kickoff return.
At the point in the game where Tomlin was making that decision Jax had 8 Drives. Those drives had resulted in 3 Tds, 1 missed FG, 3 punts, and 2 Ints. I thought both Ints were poor throws/decisions that were uncharateristic of Garard and there fore did not think that Pitt/Tomlin should be counting on more of that. As such, I'd classify those eight drives as moving the ball pretty well. To make it clearer, I'm suggesting that this decision needed to be made with the understanding that Jax was gonna get at least two more possessions and the idea of them driving for a FG was more likely than not. With that belief, it's hard to see why one would think going for two from the twelve has a positive long-term expectation.For the record, I'm a Pats fan so I have no dog in this race. Just stating that I thought at the time that it was a bad decsion. So not trying to play the 20/20 hindsight game.
Fair enough. Take away one of those TDs since it was a 1 yard run. So that makes 2 out of 8 drives they sustained and scored TDs. Just saying that the momentum completely shifted at the start of the fourth quarter. I thought Pit was done when it was 28-10. But the Steelers came on like gangbusters.
 
going for 2 from the 12 yard line in that scenario is among the worst coaching calls you'll ever see in the NFL. truly bonehead.

bruce arians calling for three running plays towards the end of the game is conventional wisdom and it shows a complete lack of imagination and cajones. the coaching staff deserves the criticism they're receiving.

 
ceisenhower66 said:
Morton Muffley said:
Jax is moving the ball well and with ten minutes left you should probably assume that they'll be able to get a FG.
Are you freaking kidding me??? Were you watching the same game?????? Jax did not move the ball well all game. They barely had over 200 yards of offense before the Garrard run. Three of their TDs were set up by interceptions and MoJo's kickoff return.
At the point in the game where Tomlin was making that decision Jax had 8 Drives. Those drives had resulted in 3 Tds, 1 missed FG, 3 punts, and 2 Ints. I thought both Ints were poor throws/decisions that were uncharateristic of Garard and there fore did not think that Pitt/Tomlin should be counting on more of that. As such, I'd classify those eight drives as moving the ball pretty well. To make it clearer, I'm suggesting that this decision needed to be made with the understanding that Jax was gonna get at least two more possessions and the idea of them driving for a FG was more likely than not. With that belief, it's hard to see why one would think going for two from the twelve has a positive long-term expectation.For the record, I'm a Pats fan so I have no dog in this race. Just stating that I thought at the time that it was a bad decsion. So not trying to play the 20/20 hindsight game.
Fair enough. Take away one of those TDs since it was a 1 yard run. So that makes 2 out of 8 drives they sustained and scored TDs. Just saying that the momentum completely shifted at the start of the fourth quarter. I thought Pit was done when it was 28-10. But the Steelers came on like gangbusters.
Exactly, their O scored 14 points, hardly moving the ball well. Steelers D played great IMO
 
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going for 2 from the 12 yard line in that scenario is among the worst coaching calls you'll ever see in the NFL. truly bonehead.bruce arians calling for three running plays towards the end of the game is conventional wisdom and it shows a complete lack of imagination and cajones. the coaching staff deserves the criticism they're receiving.
You really aren't contributing any new, original thought here. You are right on both accounts. But lay off the coaches and stop being an armchair QB. The coaching decisions aren't even close to ranking among the worst of all time...
 
Novice2 said:
Ghost Rider said:
In his post-game press conference, airing on ESPN right now, he said he went for 2 then because that is what the chart says and also said that everyone has the same chart. Um, okay.
He also said if he had a crystal ball and knew they would lose by two he would have kicked the XP if that makes you feel better.
Situations change every possesion of the game. Tomlin made a blunder. Regardless of the final score.
Exactly. Which is why his crytal ball argument is so insulting, because it assumes that there weren't football fans all across the country screaming/questioning/wondering why he would continue to go for two after being backed up ten yards. Does his chart tell him to go for two if he's backed up 20 yards? what about 50 yards? 80 yards? see this is the problem...the chart ASSUMES the all is on the 2 1/2 yard line.Someone with better research skills than me can probably dig up the conversion rate on 3rd and 12 and am sure that shows how unlikely the conversion would be (and given that those attempts allow for 40 yard completions we can also assume that Tomlin's conversion attempt would have an even lower likelihood).
 
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going for 2 from the 12 yard line in that scenario is among the worst coaching calls you'll ever see in the NFL. truly bonehead.bruce arians calling for three running plays towards the end of the game is conventional wisdom and it shows a complete lack of imagination and cajones. the coaching staff deserves the criticism they're receiving.
You really aren't contributing any new, original thought here. You are right on both accounts. But lay off the coaches and stop being an armchair QB. The coaching decisions aren't even close to ranking among the worst of all time...
I'll agree that Arians playcalling was nutless at the end of the game, Ben was on a roll, take the leash off the kid and let him make plays.
 
Did Tomlin make "rookie" mistakes? Yes it looks that way.

Did Tomlin almost have the greatest comeback in the history of the playoffs? Yes.

Did Tomlin have a calming effect over the team especially Ben that I haven't seen before? Yes.

Would Del Rio have been pummelled for having a failed challenge if the Jags would have lost or if the QB draw didn't work? I would say he wouldn't be given as much #### as the Steeler coaching staff who I thought stood their ground in a tough game with a lot of holes being plugged on offense.

 
Novice2 said:
Ghost Rider said:
In his post-game press conference, airing on ESPN right now, he said he went for 2 then because that is what the chart says and also said that everyone has the same chart. Um, okay.
He also said if he had a crystal ball and knew they would lose by two he would have kicked the XP if that makes you feel better.
Situations change every possesion of the game. Tomlin made a blunder. Regardless of the final score.
Exactly. Which is why his crytal ball argument is so insulting, because it assumes that there weren't football fans all across the country screaming/questioning/wondering why he would continue to go for two after being backed up ten yards. Does his chart tell him to go for two if he's backed up 20 yards? what about 50 yards? 80 yards? see this is the problem...the chart ASSUMES the all is on the 2 1/2 yard line.Someone with better research skills than me can probably dig up the conversion rate on 3rd and 12 and am sure that shows how unlikely the conversion would be (and given that those attempts allow for 40 yard completions we can also assume that Tomlin's conversion attempt would have an even lower likelihood).
It would have put them within 3 against a tough defense... what are you trying to prove man? Was it the wrong call? Probably, but did you predict they would have taken a one point lead... cause I mean we can call you miss cleo.
 
going for 2 from the 12 yard line in that scenario is among the worst coaching calls you'll ever see in the NFL. truly bonehead.bruce arians calling for three running plays towards the end of the game is conventional wisdom and it shows a complete lack of imagination and cajones. the coaching staff deserves the criticism they're receiving.
you can't fault the Jax offense becuase they only had to go 1 yard on one of the drives. I understand your point, but we aren't talking about needing a sustained drive to score a FG...where talking about having 2 or 3 possessions and the likelihood of Jax putting up at least 3 points. I thought at the time that it was likely that Jax would score 3 points and that needed to go into Tomlin's evaluation. He thought differently, I disagreed at the time, I was proven correct, and in retrospect I think it was a fairly easy call. Again, I go for 2 initially, but not after being backed up ten yards. That's the call I take issue with. As someone previously stated: situations change and it appears Tomlin's evaluation failed to change with the chanmging situation. Not trying to pile on, just thought it was a mistake that needed to be called out.
 
I agree, they shouldn't have gone for 2 after the penalty. But we are :lmao: here. If they hadn't called a BS holding penalty on Mahan in the first place, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Sorry...I'm just tired and fired up. They almost came back. It was a helluva game. I don't know if I would have preferred a 35-10 loss or the actual result...

My dog and wife are asleep, but I'm here being a loud mouth...I should go to bed...but that's why I love this board...

 
Novice2 said:
Ghost Rider said:
In his post-game press conference, airing on ESPN right now, he said he went for 2 then because that is what the chart says and also said that everyone has the same chart. Um, okay.
He also said if he had a crystal ball and knew they would lose by two he would have kicked the XP if that makes you feel better.
Situations change every possesion of the game. Tomlin made a blunder. Regardless of the final score.
Exactly. Which is why his crytal ball argument is so insulting, because it assumes that there weren't football fans all across the country screaming/questioning/wondering why he would continue to go for two after being backed up ten yards. Does his chart tell him to go for two if he's backed up 20 yards? what about 50 yards? 80 yards? see this is the problem...the chart ASSUMES the all is on the 2 1/2 yard line.Someone with better research skills than me can probably dig up the conversion rate on 3rd and 12 and am sure that shows how unlikely the conversion would be (and given that those attempts allow for 40 yard completions we can also assume that Tomlin's conversion attempt would have an even lower likelihood).
It would have put them within 3 against a tough defense... what are you trying to prove man? Was it the wrong call? Probably, but did you predict they would have taken a one point lead... cause I mean we can call you miss cleo.I believed at the time that it was likely that if Pitt kicked the PAT then they COULD allow a Jax FG (which I felt was likely) and still be within 7. I really don't care if you don't believe that I stated this at the time to the friends I was watching the game with and most of them agreed with me at the time that going for two from the twelve was highly unlikely and that the better/safer play given the time remaining was to kick the PAT. Had they been on the 2 1/2 yard line I'd go for two. Had there been only 4 minutes left I'd have probably gone for 2 from the twelve. But with ten minutes left it really isn't that tough a call. You kick the PAT
 
I agree, they shouldn't have gone for 2 after the penalty. But we are :lmao: here. If they hadn't called a BS holding penalty on Mahan in the first place, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Sorry...I'm just tired and fired up. They almost came back. It was a helluva game. I don't know if I would have preferred a 35-10 loss or the actual result...My dog and wife are asleep, but I'm here being a loud mouth...I should go to bed...but that's why I love this board...
LOL, agreed that we are beating this to death. G'night and sorry for your loss.
 
They got what they deserved with that horrid 3rd down Ben running play. I had a better chance to get 7 yards on that play. Ultra conservative, play not to lose mentality. Horrendous.

 
Perfect Tommy said:
In fairness, I think Benching Flutie for Rob Johnson was a stupider coaching decision. But this is 2nd.
Johnson had that game won, on the road in Tennessee, but then the Music City Miracle occurred to end the game. However, you shouldn't let annoying details like that get in the way of a good rant.
 
Novice2 said:
Ghost Rider said:
In his post-game press conference, airing on ESPN right now, he said he went for 2 then because that is what the chart says and also said that everyone has the same chart. Um, okay.
He also said if he had a crystal ball and knew they would lose by two he would have kicked the XP if that makes you feel better.
Situations change every possesion of the game. Tomlin made a blunder. Regardless of the final score.
Exactly. Which is why his crytal ball argument is so insulting, because it assumes that there weren't football fans all across the country screaming/questioning/wondering why he would continue to go for two after being backed up ten yards. Does his chart tell him to go for two if he's backed up 20 yards? what about 50 yards? 80 yards? see this is the problem...the chart ASSUMES the all is on the 2 1/2 yard line.Someone with better research skills than me can probably dig up the conversion rate on 3rd and 12 and am sure that shows how unlikely the conversion would be (and given that those attempts allow for 40 yard completions we can also assume that Tomlin's conversion attempt would have an even lower likelihood).
I didn't have a problem going for two from the 12 yard line, the decision was already made for them...I DO have a problem with the BS holding call on that 2 point conversion...I knew the Steelers had to play a tough Jax team...but I didn't know they would have to play the refs also...
 

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