Top 10 QBs (1 Viewer)

[Jous]

Well, someone was going to make this topic now that the SuperBowl is over and our time of reflection is beginning. Figured it may as well be me.

For the record, this is top 10 in real life and practical purposes, not just for fantasy.

(and I'm going under the assumption that Peyton will return, playing at roughly his 2010 strength level)

1. Rodgers

2. Brees

3. Brady

4. Peyton

5. Eli

6. Roethlisberger

7. Rivers

8. Romo

9. Stafford

10. Cutler

Just missed: Ryan, Flacco, Newton

Discuss. I'll jump in when some points/counterpoints are made.

 

[Jous]

Interestingly enough, I believe the top 6 from Rodgers-Roethlisberger are all future Hall of Famers, with Rivers having the potential to join them one day if he wins a title as well.

Has there ever been this many HOF QB's playing at once?

 

[Popinski]

1. Brady

2. Rodgers

3. Brees

4. Peyton (assuming healthy)

5. Eli

6. Roethlisberger

7. Rivers

8. Stafford

9. Romo

10. Newton

 

[Buck Stop]

1. Rodgers

2. Brees

3. Brady

4. Stafford

5. Newton

6. Peyton

7. Eli

8. Ryan

9. Luck

10 Big Ben

 

[grateful zed]

no tebow?

 

[Jous]

1. Rodgers2. Brees3. Brady4. Stafford5. Newton6. Peyton7. Eli8. Ryan9. Luck10 Big Ben

Stafford and Newton ahead of PeytonStafford, Newton, Ryan, and Luck ahead of Roethlisberger....areyou serious? If so, my condolences to you.

 

[zoonation]

1. Rodgers

2. Brees

3. Brady

4. Stafford

5. Newton

6. Peyton

7. Eli

8. Ryan

9. Luck

10 Big Ben

...in no particular order.

 

[Kenny Powers]

As stated, realistic purposes, and Im not going to list Peyton because no one even knows if he'll play this year...

1) Rodgers

2) Brees

3) Brady

4) Roethlisberger

5) Eli

6) Stafford

7) Romo

8) Rivers

9) Ryan

10) Cutler

Cam cant make this list until I see another year, and he doesnt regress (see Bradford, Freeman this year). That said, I think he sticks in this top 10.

Outside of my reasoning behind Peyton and Newton, its almost alarming how few QBs could even have an argument for Top 10. Vick, Schaub, and Flacco are the only others Id even consider.

 

[Abspara]

Well, someone was going to make this topic now that the SuperBowl is over and our time of reflection is beginning. Figured it may as well be me. For the record, this is top 10 in real life and practical purposes, not just for fantasy.(and I'm going under the assumption that Peyton will return, playing at roughly his 2010 strength level)1. Rodgers2. Brees3. Brady4. Peyton5. Eli6. Roethlisberger7. Rivers8. Romo9. Stafford10. CutlerJust missed: Ryan, Flacco, NewtonDiscuss. I'll jump in when some points/counterpoints are made.

Cutler over Ryan? Interesting. I'm hard pressed to think of any offensive weapons the Bears have outside of Forte.

 

[cvnpoka]

These are my projections for next year based off of schedule and predraft bs.1. Rodgers2. Brady3. Brees4. Stafford5. Peyton (swap with Eli if he lands in a poor offense somehow, dont think thats possible) 6. Eli (would be 5th but they have a very tough schedule)7. Cutler8. Rivers (very tough schedule)9. Schaub10. Big Ben

seems your list is for fantasy scoring purposes and you left out vick and newton. thats pretty bad.

 

[Buck Stop]

1. Rodgers2. Brees3. Brady4. Stafford5. Newton6. Peyton7. Eli8. Ryan9. Luck10 Big Ben

Stafford and Newton ahead of PeytonStafford, Newton, Ryan, and Luck ahead of Roethlisberger....areyou serious? If so, my condolences to you.

I don't believe Manning will play at the same level ever again. This is ranking QBs RIGHT NOW correct? So yeah I guess you can laugh at me but I think Stafford and Newton are ahead of a guy that supposedly has no arm strength right now. I also believe Luck is a rare talent.

 

[saintfool]

Cutler over Ryan? Interesting. I'm hard pressed to think of any offensive weapons the Bears have outside of Forte.

i'm not saying that i would rank cutler ahead of ryan but i would expect cutler to have more/different/better receiving options next season. he's got a new OC and QB coach too.

 

[KCitons]

So what you are saying, is if Cutler and Ryan switched teams. Cutler would outproduce Ryan?

But since Cutler has no WR's, how can his current situation make him better than Ryan today?

 

[cvnpoka]

well, cutler is a much better qb than ryan, so he has that going for him.

 

[jurb26]

1. Rogers

2. Brady

3. Brees

4. Eli

5. Stafford

6. Roethlisberger

7. Rivers

8. Cutler

9. Schaub

10. Newton

I'm surprised nobody has put Dalton on their list so far. I don't think he belongs, but it's still surprising that NOBODY listed him. I can't put Peyton on the list again until I see where he is at. I have no idea what being out for a full year will do to his game or if he is really physically the same. He's no spring chicken anymore. Regardless of this helth issue he was at the end of his career.

 

[Jous]

1. Rodgers2. Brees3. Brady4. Stafford5. Newton6. Peyton7. Eli8. Ryan9. Luck10 Big Ben

Stafford and Newton ahead of PeytonStafford, Newton, Ryan, and Luck ahead of Roethlisberger....areyou serious? If so, my condolences to you.

I don't believe Manning will play at the same level ever again. This is ranking QBs RIGHT NOW correct? So yeah I guess you can laugh at me but I think Stafford and Newton are ahead of a guy that supposedly has no arm strength right now. I also believe Luck is a rare talent.

Ryan is just way too high, that's idefensible in my opinion.As is Luck being included. He could be a bust for all we knowI think this would look better to me if Roethlisberger wasnt way too low.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

1. Rogers

2. Brady

3. Brees

4. Eli

5. Stafford

6. Roethlisberger

7. Rivers

8. Cutler

9. Schaub

10. Newton

I'm surprised nobody has put Dalton on their list so far. I don't think he belongs, but it's still surprising that NOBODY listed him. I can't put Peyton on the list again until I see where he is at. I have no idea what being out for a full year will do to his game or if he is really physically the same. He's no spring chicken anymore. Regardless of this helth issue he was at the end of his career.

I'm sorry I know that Stafford looks awesome and all that but I can't see a scenario where RIGHT NOW he is better than Big Ben... I realize his team is young and I expect them to grow upon what they did this past season but I can't accept that 1 awesome healthy year in that pass happy offense (by necessity with injuries it would seem) would jump him TO THIS POINT above Big Ben who has proven clutch his entire career. If Stafford can put up another really outstanding yr and get his team back to the playoffs & maybe do some damage IN the playoffs then I may have to reconsider but Ben has done it for YEARS. and yes I'm aware that Ben benefits from that GREAT D each and every year but when it gets muddy in the playoffs he normally finds a way... he will never put up numbers like what Stafford or Brees or Rodgers or Brady do yr in or yr out... he's never been asked to but I guess all I'm saying is I need to see AT LEAST 1 more big yr with success from Stafford before I consider him top 5.

 

[Drop]

True Contenders:

Rodgers

Brees

Peyton

Brady

Eli

Ben

Stafford

Rivers

(Loosely ordered these players are good enough to carry their teams to Super Bowls. They set themselves apart by being so effective passing the ball to win games late on devastating demoralizing drives. When these guys size up the competition around the league to see who they are effectively taking rings from this is the list. Stafford played his way onto the list this season. Peyton may be scratched off the list for injury reasons. It's a super hard list to get on, so Rivers will be on probation for now.)

Good players with good enough systems around them to win a Super Bowl:

Schaub

Flacco

Cutler

Wildcard

Vick - unique player, nothing like him

Every other QB is unproven or too flawed in some way to be considered legit. Yes even Matt Ryan, because he is so fatally flawed when you move him off his spot that he'll never be able to win consistently against the type of defenses he'll see in the playoffs without a HOF offensive line and probably home field advantage. Romo is very likely to have a mental block that haunts him in big games, too many mishaps in the past to not be concerned for now.

edit: Josh Freeman is good enough to win a SB with a good team. He's got to improve somewhat, but I wouldn't rule him out like some other guys. He's got the tools, just needs to sharpen them.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

1. Rodgers

2. Brees

3. Brady

4. Eli Manning

5. Ben Roethlesburger

6. Matthew Stafford

7. Tony Romo

8. Phillip Rivers

9. Mike Vick

10. Cam Newton

 

[Debbie Downer]

Flynn is just as good as Rodgers. GB could trade Rodgers for several 1st rounds and not miss a beat.

 

[Koya]

I think the best way to answer this is "who would I want to QB my team" - so not based on stats, past efforts but rather who gives you the best chance to win. For some, they may prefer a guy that will get a lot of stats and a near guaranteed playoff birth, others might want someone who has shown the ability to win the big game (i.e. if your team has sucked, get consistency, if you have been good but not over the hump, you may want some more boom/bust but the better chance to win it all).

With that my list would be:

1. Brady - Possibly the last year he gets this, but has shown the ability, poise, leadership and courage to win it all (3 times). Great and clutch

2. Rodgers - The most prolific offensive player in the league (until Newton passes him?) who has shown the ability to win it all.

3. Brees - BARELY makes it over Eli, and if I werent biased for Eli, maybe I'd swap them. Brees will have better numbers, but if he has to play in poor conditions during the playoffs, even with his cold weather college games, Its harder to trust

4. Eli - May have more bust potential, but I haven't seen as clutch a QB in some time. The guy gets it done when it counts and has done it often and twice on the biggest stage. If I NEED to make the playoffs, I'd bump him down. If I want to win a SB, maybe he gets over brees.

It gets tougher after this because more question marks arise.

5. Vick - No one mentions him and I think his team will be far better this year. If he plays somewhere between this past year and the year before AND can stay healthy, no other weapon like him (Newton is coming though). Big boom or bust - but could boom you to a SB

6. Roeths - Next year he may be off the list. Im not so sure he is every going to be fully 100%, always ends up dinged and he seems not to have progressed while others have (i.e. Eli and the new youngins next on this list). But he has two rings, even if he only played well in one of three SBs.

7. Stafford - Assuming he stays healthy, he could be the next great QB. But he has not done it on the big stage. A lot to prove - but he looks great and on the upswing

8. Newton - Ridiculous offensive player - but can he be clutch? Win Games? Go far in the playoffs against great, physical defensive teams? Just don't know. But he has the promise and abilities unmatched by most anyone. Will either be up a few slots or off the list next year imo.

9. Rivers - This year was AWFUL. But he has been clutch in the past, even if he has not gone especially far in many playoffs. A year ago at this time he'd be up a few slots. Im going to give him one more chance ahead of the rest if it were my choice.

10. Romo - Just can't quite seem to put it together, but has looked great at times. Has the ability but he - and his team - need to man up and clutch one through.

Just off the list

Schaub - If he fully heals I might but him at 10 due to Romo's failures in the past.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

1. Rogers2. Brady3. Brees4. Eli5. Stafford6. Roethlisberger7. Rivers8. Cutler9. Schaub10. NewtonI'm surprised nobody has put Dalton on their list so far. I don't think he belongs, but it's still surprising that NOBODY listed him. I can't put Peyton on the list again until I see where he is at. I have no idea what being out for a full year will do to his game or if he is really physically the same. He's no spring chicken anymore. Regardless of this helth issue he was at the end of his career.

Cutler and Schaub over Romo.

 

[jurb26]

1. Rogers2. Brady3. Brees4. Eli5. Stafford6. Roethlisberger7. Rivers8. Cutler9. Schaub10. NewtonI'm surprised nobody has put Dalton on their list so far. I don't think he belongs, but it's still surprising that NOBODY listed him. I can't put Peyton on the list again until I see where he is at. I have no idea what being out for a full year will do to his game or if he is really physically the same. He's no spring chicken anymore. Regardless of this helth issue he was at the end of his career.

Cutler and Schaub over Romo.

Romo simply makes too many boneheaded plays for my liking in real football. Fantasy, he is great.

 

[MTskibum]

Lots of eli love considering he has never finished higher than 6. Half of the lists are predicting a career year for him next season.

 

[Koya]

Lots of eli love considering he has never finished higher than 6. Half of the lists are predicting a career year for him next season.

I honestly was looking at this from a pure football standpoint not fantasy. Maybe I misread the OP, but would be a far different list for fantasy and Newton would easily be top 5.

 

[MTskibum]

Lots of eli love considering he has never finished higher than 6. Half of the lists are predicting a career year for him next season.

I honestly was looking at this from a pure football standpoint not fantasy. Maybe I misread the OP, but would be a far different list for fantasy and Newton would easily be top 5.

Ok, that makes sense :thumbsup:

 

[32 Counter Pass]

1. Rogers2. Brady3. Brees4. Eli5. Stafford6. Roethlisberger7. Rivers8. Cutler9. Schaub10. NewtonI'm surprised nobody has put Dalton on their list so far. I don't think he belongs, but it's still surprising that NOBODY listed him. I can't put Peyton on the list again until I see where he is at. I have no idea what being out for a full year will do to his game or if he is really physically the same. He's no spring chicken anymore. Regardless of this helth issue he was at the end of his career.

Cutler and Schaub over Romo.

Romo simply makes too many boneheaded plays for my liking in real football. Fantasy, he is great.

My bad. I thought we were talking fantasy. Carry on.

 

[EBF]

To win a game tomorrow:

1. Rodgers

2. Brees

3. Brady

4. Eli

5. Rivers

6. Roethlisberger

7. Schaub

8. Newton

9. Romo

10. Stafford

11. Ryan

12. Vick

Schaub is probably the most underrated QB in the NFL. His career numbers are outstanding. He just doesn't get the recognition of the others because he hasn't played a lot of meaningful games and because he doesn't throw as often to put up the gaudy FF stats every year. I think Stafford and Ryan are overrated right now. Ryan is not significantly better than he was as a rookie and Stafford's numbers were inflated this past season by a huge amount of pass attempts.

Long term, I'd take Luck or Newton over some of the guys listed ahead of them. But that wasn't the question.

 

[cvnpoka]

schaub led the league in attempts 3 yrs ago. he followed that up with only 11 fewer at 574. problem was, his efficiency regressed immensely. so he indeed throws often. but its indeed true he doesnt play meaningful games. thats bc he is made out of glass.

schaub is a poor man's stafford propped up by a great line, receivers, scheme and surface. and his numbers arent even that great compared to the rest.

here, with emphasis on short term

godgers

brees

brady

rivers

cutler

roeth

eli

vick

romo

stafford

 

[saintfool]

newton is criminally underrated. until his supporting cast improves, he is the offense. he's selfish enough to carry the team whenever he feels the need, especially with smith (the only other guy who doesn't quit offensively). he's a top 5 performer really week to week. dynasty he should settle down but for redraft buyers he is money for years to come.

 

[EBF]

schaub is a poor man's stafford propped up by a great line, receivers, scheme and surface. and his numbers arent even that great compared to the rest.

Schaub's numbers compare pretty favorably to any QB in the NFL. Here are career averages for some prominent QBs:Matt Schaub

QB Rating - 92.2

Completion % - 64.3

Yards/Attempt - 7.9

TD:INT ratio - 1.69

Drew Brees

QB Rating - 94.0

Completion % - 65.9

Yards/Attempt - 7.4

TD:INT ratio - 1.92

Tom Brady

QB Rating - 96.4

Completion % - 63.8

Yards/Attempt - 7.5

TD:INT ratio - 2.60

Aaron Rodgers

QB Rating - 104.1

Completion % - 65.4

Yards/Attempt - 8.2

TD:INT ratio - 3.47

Philip Rivers

QB Rating - 95.5

Completion % - 63.5

Yards/Attempt - 8.0

TD:INT ratio - 2.09

Tony Romo

QB Rating - 96.9

Completion % - 64.5

Yards/Attempt - 8.0

TD:INT ratio - 2.07

Ben Roethlisberger

QB Rating - 92.1

Completion % - 63.1

Yards/Attempt - 8.0

TD:INT ratio - 1.65

Eli Manning

QB Rating - 82.1

Completion % - 58.4

Yards/Attempt - 7.0

TD:INT ratio - 1.43

Matt Stafford

QB Rating - 84.7

Completion % - 59.8

Yards/Attempt - 6.9

TD:INT ratio - 1.65

Pretty much every one of these guys has benefited from a strong supporting cast at various points in his career, so I don't think you can dismiss Schaub just because he's had Andre Johnson and Owen Daniels. The team was a perennial loser until he became their QB.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Schaub is one of the top 5 QBs in the NFL, but he definitely belongs in the discussion for "best of the rest" once you get beyond the obvious names. He has played really well for Houston. His durability problems and limited opportunities have obscured that.

I'd argue that the main reason he isn't widely considered an elite QB is because our FF-driven mindset places undue emphasis on total yards and TDs, without lending ample weight to per-throw effectiveness. Schaub has done extremely well with the opportunities that he has been given. The problem is that he has never been given many opportunities. Here's the same group of QBs ranked in terms of career pass attempts per game average:

Stafford - 39.17

Brees - 35.58

Brady - 33.05

Eli - 32.04

Rodgers - 30.62

Rivers - 30.37

Roethlisberger - 29.06

Romo - 26.18

Schaub - 22.34

This list shows why there is so much hype for Stafford and why Schaub has gotten so little fanfare throughout his career. More opportunities = more yards and TDs. Fewer opportunities = fewer yards and TDs. Don't confuse the system with the player though.

Schaub only throws about 67% as much as Brees. Put him in the New Orleans offense and he might be the guy everyone is taking with a top 10 redraft pick. On a per-throw basis, he is nearly the same player.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Real life ranks:

1. Rodgers

2. Brees

3. Brady

4. Eli

5. Roethlisberger

6. Stafford

7. Cutler (get the guy some weapons already)

8. Romo

9. Rivers

10. Peyton (if no physical limitations, bump him to 5)

Newton only lacks the experience. Not writing off Bradford yet. (Long term, I actually like him more than Newton)

I was once a huge Ryan backer...I think he's really just physically limited (you rarely ever see him completing anything outside the #'s). ATL really did him a huge favor getting a future annual Pro Bowler in Julio.

 

[eakfootball]

Flynn is just as good as Rodgers. GB could trade Rodgers for several 1st rounds and not miss a beat.

 

[cvnpoka]

The problem is that he has never been given many opportunities. Here's the same group of QBs ranked in terms of career pass attempts per game average:Stafford - 39.17Brees - 35.58Brady - 33.05Eli - 32.04Rodgers - 30.62Rivers - 30.37Roethlisberger - 29.06Romo - 26.18Schaub - 22.34

why would you even post this? its a blatant misrepresentation. you are including 38 games in atlanta where he had a combined 161 attempts. your argument is crap and you are resorting to manipulating stats. its infuriating that you actually made me spend the time to look that up and add up those numbers.if you use his houston career it is 33 attempts per game. ie, if you dont include games where he is listed as active but didnt see an effin snap.

 

[EBF]

That's a fair point. I didn't realize that he had so many mop up appearances for the Falcons.

The broader point still stands though. His QB rating, completion percentage, and yards per attempt averages since he became a starter compare pretty favorably to the elite NFL QBs. He's a solid player. Just doesn't get a lot of hype for a variety of reasons. Granted, the inability to stay healthy has been a big part of that.

 

[cvnpoka]

so he compares favorably to that glut of qbs after the elite in terms of passer rating and comp %. but those stats arent really better. why is a 30 yr old who has missed significant time in 2 of his 4 seasons and benefits from great surroundings better than those guys? his stats dont separate him, he hasnt stayed on the field, he hasnt led his team to the playoffs.

look, schaub is fine. look, i like the bengals. he would be a godsend to that team. i live in cleveland. he would be likewise. guy can play. hes no flacco or sanchez. but he aint cutler either.

 

[GregR]

schaub is a poor man's stafford propped up by a great line, receivers, scheme and surface. and his numbers arent even that great compared to the rest.

I think this is the first time I've heard someone claim a QB was propped up because he plays on grass.

 

[djmich]

Lots of Cutler love, good to see, hope that team finally gets him something better than Earl Bennett

 

[Truman]

Real life ranks:

1. Rodgers

2. Brees

3. Brady

4. Eli

5. Roethlisberger

6. Stafford

7. Cutler (get the guy some weapons already)

8. Romo

9. Rivers

10. Peyton (if no physical limitations, bump him to 5)

Newton only lacks the experience. Not writing off Bradford yet. (Long term, I actually like him more than Newton)

I was once a huge Ryan backer...I think he's really just physically limited (you rarely ever see him completing anything outside the #'s). ATL really did him a huge favor getting a future annual Pro Bowler in Julio.

WTF? His favourite pass in 2010 was the deep out to Roddy White. We would see him throw it over and over and over to the point of tedium. Deep ball accuracy issues were illustrated in 2011 but his biggest issue remains the Falcons offensive line.This will be the last year Cam Newton misses out on anyone's top 10 list as well.

 

[Pots]

1. Brees

2. Rodgers

3. Peyton (Health affects this greatly however)

4. Eli

5. Brady

6. Vick

7. Rivers (Last year hurt him)

8. Romo

9. Roethlisberger

10. Stafford

 

[Kenny Powers]

1. Brees

2. Rodgers

3. Peyton (Health affects this greatly however)

4. Eli

5. Brady

6. Vick

7. Rivers (Last year hurt him)

8. Romo

9. Roethlisberger

10. Stafford

 

[Run It Up]

These are my projections for next year based off of schedule and predraft bs.1. Rodgers2. Brady3. Brees4. Stafford5. Peyton (swap with Eli if he lands in a poor offense somehow, dont think thats possible) 6. Eli (would be 5th but they have a very tough schedule)7. Cutler8. Rivers (very tough schedule)9. Schaub10. Big Ben

seems your list is for fantasy scoring purposes and you left out vick and newton. thats pretty bad.

It isnt and thats why they arent on the list...

 

[johnadams]

Interestingly enough, I believe the top 6 from Rodgers-Roethlisberger are all future Hall of Famers, with Rivers having the potential to join them one day if he wins a title as well.Has there ever been this many HOF QB's playing at once?

Early 90's:MoonYoungKellyElwayAikmanMarinoMontanaThat's 7. Early 70'sStarrUnitasBlandaJurgensenStaubachNamathBradshawDawsonGriese(with Fouts rookie year in 1973)That's 9.Late 40'sWaterfieldLuckmanGraham LayneVan BrocklinTittleBaughThat's 7.Just some perspective.

 

[Assani Fisher]

1. Brees

2. Rodgers

3. Brady

4. Peyton

5. Rivers

6. Eli

7. Big Ben

8. Cutler

9. Stafford

10. Cam

 

[cvnpoka]

These are my projections for next year based off of schedule and predraft bs.1. Rodgers2. Brady3. Brees4. Stafford5. Peyton (swap with Eli if he lands in a poor offense somehow, dont think thats possible) 6. Eli (would be 5th but they have a very tough schedule)7. Cutler8. Rivers (very tough schedule)9. Schaub10. Big Ben

seems your list is for fantasy scoring purposes and you left out vick and newton. thats pretty bad.

It isnt and thats why they arent on the list...

then why do you mention projections and schedule so many times? a qb's ability is not based on the schedule he plays.

 

[Run It Up]

These are my projections for next year based off of schedule and predraft bs.1. Rodgers2. Brady3. Brees4. Stafford5. Peyton (swap with Eli if he lands in a poor offense somehow, dont think thats possible) 6. Eli (would be 5th but they have a very tough schedule)7. Cutler8. Rivers (very tough schedule)9. Schaub10. Big Ben

seems your list is for fantasy scoring purposes and you left out vick and newton. thats pretty bad.

It isnt and thats why they arent on the list...

then why do you mention projections and schedule so many times? a qb's ability is not based on the schedule he plays.

Because a persons ceiling isnt how they are going to perform. I presumed this thread was about the top 10 QBs in the NFL next year, not the top 10 active QBs as of right now.If its the latter then:1. Brady2. Brees3. Rodgers4. Manning, Peyton5. Manning, Eli6. Rivers7. Roethlisberger8. Cutler9. Stafford10. Schaub

 

[Koya]

1. Brees2. Rodgers3. Brady4. Peyton5. Rivers6. Eli7. Big Ben8. Cutler9. Stafford10. Cam

Curious as to why you put Rivers above Eli and Roeth. The latter two each have a lot of post season success and two rings apiece. Rivers has none of this.I'm a bit down on Roeths going forward but can't imagine a GM going rivers ahead of both these guys who have proven they can get to ( and win ) the big one. Only health and expected decline could explain Ben, don't see a reason to explain Eli.

 

[cvnpoka]

Because a persons ceiling isnt how they are going to perform. I presumed this thread was about the top 10 QBs in the NFL next year, not the top 10 active QBs as of right now.If its the latter then:1. Brady2. Brees3. Rodgers4. Manning, Peyton5. Manning, Eli6. Rivers7. Roethlisberger8. Cutler9. Stafford10. Schaub

still makes no sense to me. how does future schedule factor into this? you say "6. Eli (would be 5th but they have a very tough schedule)." why does it matter what his schedule is?

 

[Run It Up]

Because a persons ceiling isnt how they are going to perform. I presumed this thread was about the top 10 QBs in the NFL next year, not the top 10 active QBs as of right now.If its the latter then:1. Brady2. Brees3. Rodgers4. Manning, Peyton5. Manning, Eli6. Rivers7. Roethlisberger8. Cutler9. Stafford10. Schaub

still makes no sense to me. how does future schedule factor into this? you say "6. Eli (would be 5th but they have a very tough schedule)." why does it matter what his schedule is?

Because - A players ceiling isn't how they are going to perform every game, every season.You cant say "How will player x perform over y time" without taking into consideration the pieces available to that player and his opposition. If everyone played the same schedule then yes, I could do that, but they don't.Could also take this a step further since defenses aren't static either.

 

[cvnpoka]

man, this thread makes my head hurt. what exactly are you measuring with your rankins? we've established its not predicting future fantasy points. we've established its not grading previous play. seems we have established its not predicting how good a qb will be next yr.