Top 10 WRs Heading into 2010. (1 Viewer)

[MrSoup]

1. Andre Johnson - No brainer. Goes without saying.

2. Reggie Wayne - Has shown me no signs of slowing down. Keep riding that train.

3. Miles Austin - What can I say, I think he's legit.

4. Randy Moss - Crazy to think that this year was a "down" year for him, opposed to what people were expecting.

5. Vincent Jackson - Look for him to explode into UBERSTUDDOM next year. Rivers is only getting better.

6. Larry Fitzgerald - Warner is a question mark, and if Boldin leaves, how much will teams commit to stopping Larry?

7. Desean Jackson - His receptions need to increase to be considered reliable. He's amazing in yards and TDs though.

8. Roddy White - Was very spotty this year, but in the end, was top 10 again.

9. Brandon Marshall - Has to prove to me that he's pulled his head outta his ### before I rank him higher. (coming from a former owner of him, who had kept him going into the offseason in 08)

10. Santonio Holmes - 79 rec, 1248 yds, 5 tds. Very quiet season, but his overall numbers are there to wrap up the season.

Just Missed

Greg Jennings (Driver really dipped into his production this year.)

Anquan Boldin - Depending who he suits up for next year, he could jump into the Top 10.

Marques Colston - Brees simply doesn't care who you are, he'll throw the rock to anybody.

Calvin Johnson - who?

 

[Rounders]

Pretty solid list. Although I would take Holmes out and put Colston in the top 10. You're higher on Miles and VJax than me, but I don't see any reason why they can't be argued into the top 10.

 

[travdogg]

1. Andre Johnson - No brainer. Goes without saying.

2. Reggie Wayne - Has shown me no signs of slowing down. Keep riding that train.

3. Miles Austin - What can I say, I think he's legit.

4. Randy Moss - Crazy to think that this year was a "down" year for him, opposed to what people were expecting.

5. Vincent Jackson - Look for him to explode into UBERSTUDDOM next year. Rivers is only getting better.

6. Larry Fitzgerald - Warner is a question mark, and if Boldin leaves, how much will teams commit to stopping Larry?

7. Desean Jackson - His receptions need to increase to be considered reliable. He's amazing in yards and TDs though.

8. Roddy White - Was very spotty this year, but in the end, was top 10 again.

9. Brandon Marshall - Has to prove to me that he's pulled his head outta his ### before I rank him higher. (coming from a former owner of him, who had kept him going into the offseason in 08)

10. Santonio Holmes - 79 rec, 1248 yds, 5 tds. Very quiet season, but his overall numbers are there to wrap up the season.

Just Missed

Greg Jennings (Driver really dipped into his production this year.)

Anquan Boldin - Depending who he suits up for next year, he could jump into the Top 10.

Marques Colston - Brees simply doesn't care who you are, he'll throw the rock to anybody.

Calvin Johnson - who?

I have no interest in Marshall if he is going among the top-10 WR's. There are FAR to many questions with him(will he even be a Bronco?) to take him that high. I can't imagine Calvin doesn't go among the top-10. His upside is too great, and I think another year for him and Stafford and we'llhave the NFL's next great combo on our hands.

Obviously there are major questions about some other guys. For the sake of this I'll assume Warner is playing next year and that Marshall is still a Bronco and that Favre is still a Viking.

My top-10

1. Andre Johnson-I agree, its almost a no-brainer.

2. Larry Fitzgerald- Too consistent and its very possible he hasn't hit his ceiling yet.

3. Calvin Johnson-Is the most talented WR in the NFL in my opinion. I think Stafford(and the Lions) take a big step forward.

4. Reggie Wayne-Just as good as ever. Some worry about there being too many mouths to feed, but that's just paranoia.

5. DeSean Jackson-The big plays will be down, the receptions will be up. He's a LOT better short area WR than assumed.

6. Vincent Jackson-Rivers loves throwing deep to him, but SD doesn't pass enough for him to crack the top-5.

7. Roddy White-You summed it up pretty well. Hopefully he'll be more consistent next year.

8. Randy Moss-I worry about Welker's health, I think he needs Welker just about as much as Welker needs Moss.

9. Miles Austin-I agree he's legit, I just feel they'll run the ball more and teams will be better prepared next year.

10. Marques Colston- Brees throws so well that somebody has to be a top-10 guy. Colston has the best history.

Just Missed:

Sidney Rice-I think this offense will be even better in 2010 and Rice is improving pretty steadily.

Percy Harvin-I think he'll move ahead of Berrian this offseason. He and Rice could evolve into a lesser Moss-Welker duo.

Michael Crabtree-It'll be interesting to see how he'll do with a full offseason. Looked great considering the circumstances.

 

[encaitar]

If Favre comes back, I'd put Sidney Rice at around #7 on that list.

 

[NeverEnough]

1. Andre Johnson - No brainer. Goes without saying.

2. Reggie Wayne - Has shown me no signs of slowing down. Keep riding that train.

3. Miles Austin - What can I say, I think he's legit.

4. Randy Moss - Crazy to think that this year was a "down" year for him, opposed to what people were expecting.

5. Vincent Jackson - Look for him to explode into UBERSTUDDOM next year. Rivers is only getting better.

6. Larry Fitzgerald - Warner is a question mark, and if Boldin leaves, how much will teams commit to stopping Larry?

7. Desean Jackson - His receptions need to increase to be considered reliable. He's amazing in yards and TDs though.

8. Roddy White - Was very spotty this year, but in the end, was top 10 again.

9. Brandon Marshall - Has to prove to me that he's pulled his head outta his ### before I rank him higher. (coming from a former owner of him, who had kept him going into the offseason in 08)

10. Santonio Holmes - 79 rec, 1248 yds, 5 tds. Very quiet season, but his overall numbers are there to wrap up the season.

Just Missed

Greg Jennings (Driver really dipped into his production this year.)

Anquan Boldin - Depending who he suits up for next year, he could jump into the Top 10.

Marques Colston - Brees simply doesn't care who you are, he'll throw the rock to anybody.

Calvin Johnson - who?

Holmes? No. Calvin needs to be in there. AUstin is too igh IMO

 

[RushHour]

I think it will be a big bounce back year for Calvin. Going into the start of this season, you could have taken him as the first WR off the draft board and no one would have blinked. I'll definitely be targeting him and I think you will be able to steal him relatively late.

 

[MrSoup]

1. Andre Johnson - No brainer. Goes without saying.

2. Reggie Wayne - Has shown me no signs of slowing down. Keep riding that train.

3. Miles Austin - What can I say, I think he's legit.

4. Randy Moss - Crazy to think that this year was a "down" year for him, opposed to what people were expecting.

5. Vincent Jackson - Look for him to explode into UBERSTUDDOM next year. Rivers is only getting better.

6. Larry Fitzgerald - Warner is a question mark, and if Boldin leaves, how much will teams commit to stopping Larry?

7. Desean Jackson - His receptions need to increase to be considered reliable. He's amazing in yards and TDs though.

8. Roddy White - Was very spotty this year, but in the end, was top 10 again.

9. Brandon Marshall - Has to prove to me that he's pulled his head outta his ### before I rank him higher. (coming from a former owner of him, who had kept him going into the offseason in 08)

10. Santonio Holmes - 79 rec, 1248 yds, 5 tds. Very quiet season, but his overall numbers are there to wrap up the season.

Just Missed

Greg Jennings (Driver really dipped into his production this year.)

Anquan Boldin - Depending who he suits up for next year, he could jump into the Top 10.

Marques Colston - Brees simply doesn't care who you are, he'll throw the rock to anybody.

Calvin Johnson - who?

I have no interest in Marshall if he is going among the top-10 WR's. There are FAR to many questions with him(will he even be a Bronco?) to take him that high. I can't imagine Calvin doesn't go among the top-10. His upside is too great, and I think another year for him and Stafford and we'llhave the NFL's next great combo on our hands.

Obviously there are major questions about some other guys. For the sake of this I'll assume Warner is playing next year and that Marshall is still a Bronco and that Favre is still a Viking.

My top-10

1. Andre Johnson-I agree, its almost a no-brainer.

2. Larry Fitzgerald- Too consistent and its very possible he hasn't hit his ceiling yet.

3. Calvin Johnson-Is the most talented WR in the NFL in my opinion. I think Stafford(and the Lions) take a big step forward.

4. Reggie Wayne-Just as good as ever. Some worry about there being too many mouths to feed, but that's just paranoia.

5. DeSean Jackson-The big plays will be down, the receptions will be up. He's a LOT better short area WR than assumed.

6. Vincent Jackson-Rivers loves throwing deep to him, but SD doesn't pass enough for him to crack the top-5.

7. Roddy White-You summed it up pretty well. Hopefully he'll be more consistent next year.

8. Randy Moss-I worry about Welker's health, I think he needs Welker just about as much as Welker needs Moss.

9. Miles Austin-I agree he's legit, I just feel they'll run the ball more and teams will be better prepared next year.

10. Marques Colston- Brees throws so well that somebody has to be a top-10 guy. Colston has the best history.

Just Missed:

Sidney Rice-I think this offense will be even better in 2010 and Rice is improving pretty steadily.

Percy Harvin-I think he'll move ahead of Berrian this offseason. He and Rice could evolve into a lesser Moss-Welker duo.

Michael Crabtree-It'll be interesting to see how he'll do with a full offseason. Looked great considering the circumstances.

Calvin at #3 is kind of high in my opinion. I mean, look at the numbers. What has he really done to justify that position. He plays for the Lions and has a suspect QB throwing the rock. Not to mention Calvin's injury history. The guy looks like he's hurt every time he catches a pass.You say that SD doesn't pass enough for Jackson to be top 5, but it's clearly Philip Rivers' team now, and has been for quite some time. They will throw more next season, I guarantee it, so imagine what he will do when he gets as many attempts as the Mannings and Rodgers and Bradys. Jackson and Gates are 1a and 1b, but I have no problem with that. There will be plenty of pie to go around. Jackson has progressed each year in every major stat category, REC, Yards, and TDs. He has yet to hit his ceiling.

In PPR, I think Moss will be better without Welker. He will see more underneath routes, especially if Ole Randy has lost a step.

As for the #10 WR, there are a number of guys that can be interchanged and will be before the start of next season.

I also think that Harvin and Crabtree are about 2 more years away from even being considered Top 10. Crabtree has the better outlook, whereas Harvin may never crack Top 10

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

If Delhomme is not under center, I think the Carolina Steve Smith makes a resurgence. The guy was mired by terrible QB play and a rib injury that cost him a game this year and still 18th in standard scoring. Matt Moore is good enough to make Steve Smith a top 10 WR again. That's all it takes.

Carolina Smith will be a bargain next year if Delhomme's not the QB.Also I'll be interested to see what Jacksonville does at QB, because I believe MSW is in the running. He could make a move up if they lose Garrard and don't draft Tebow.

 

[FavreCo]

I think it will be a big bounce back year for Calvin. Going into the start of this season, you could have taken him as the first WR off the draft board and no one would have blinked. I'll definitely be targeting him and I think you will be able to steal him relatively late.

Take a look at this before you invest a lot. I got him an d I don't like what I'm seeing. They are going to take yet another huge beating in 2010.Home:Chicago BearsGreen Bay PackersMinnesota VikingsPhiladelphia EaglesWashington RedskinsNew England PatriotsNew York JetsSt. Louis RamsAway:Chicago BearsGreen Bay PackersMinnesota VikingsDallas CowboysNew York GiantsBuffalo BillsMiami DolphinsTampa Bay Buccaneers

 

[silentcoach]

A shot to make top 10 (ppr):

S.Rice

G.Jennings

S.Smith (the giants)

Maybe S.Holmes?

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

I think it will be a big bounce back year for Calvin. Going into the start of this season, you could have taken him as the first WR off the draft board and no one would have blinked. I'll definitely be targeting him and I think you will be able to steal him relatively late.

Take a look at this before you invest a lot. I got him an d I don't like what I'm seeing. They are going to take yet another huge beating in 2010.Home:Chicago BearsGreen Bay PackersMinnesota VikingsPhiladelphia EaglesWashington RedskinsNew England PatriotsNew York JetsSt. Louis RamsAway:Chicago BearsGreen Bay PackersMinnesota VikingsDallas CowboysNew York GiantsBuffalo BillsMiami DolphinsTampa Bay Buccaneers

You have a link to the 2010 opponents? Interested in seeing this. ThanksETA: Any big changes to the format or did they just extend the 2002-2009 schedule cycle another year?

 

[FavreCo]

You have a link to the 2010 opponents? Interested in seeing this. Thanks

ETA: Any big changes to the format or did they just extend the 2002-2009 schedule cycle another year?

googled it.http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2009/12/22/1...-2010-opponents

 

[dickey moe]

I think it will be a big bounce back year for Calvin. Going into the start of this season, you could have taken him as the first WR off the draft board and no one would have blinked. I'll definitely be targeting him and I think you will be able to steal him relatively late.

Stealing him late is the only reason I'll draft him. He's overrated if he's being ranked in the Top 5 WRs in PPR leagues.

 

[RushHour]

I think it will be a big bounce back year for Calvin. Going into the start of this season, you could have taken him as the first WR off the draft board and no one would have blinked. I'll definitely be targeting him and I think you will be able to steal him relatively late.

Stealing him late is the only reason I'll draft him. He's overrated if he's being ranked in the Top 5 WRs in PPR leagues.

Agreed, but I think he will drop in drafts to the point where he will represent value, considering his upside.....particularly if Stafford can stay on the field.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

very leery of Miles Austin

 

[bigmarc27]

I think WRs are easiest position to peg. I mean seriously, Wayne, Moss, AJohnson, Fitzgerald, White, etc... Once they get into the top 10, they tend to hover around that spot. You don't see guys jump up into the top 5 at WR, and then drop off the face of the Earth like you do at RB (Steve Slaton, I'm looking in your direction). I'd argue the WR spot is the least likely of the main fantasy positions to lose a guy to injury as well.

Anyway, just my opinion.

 

[hook014]

very leery of Miles Austin

Man I hope the rest of my league thinks like you but I doubt it. I'll have to pay late 3rd , early 4th for this stud to have him, but have him I will. His main competition is Roy Williams of the Alligator arm tribe and that is fine by me. I'll go into the season hoping that Witten will return to the threat he was and Austin progresses from this year.One thing is for sure and that is that Dallas WILL pass ALOT. It's a passing league now and the oil millionaires buying Jerry's luxury boxes will not stand for a boring running team. You may disagree but that's the way I've looked at the Cowboys for a long time, and it's been accurate. From the day that they signed TO.

 

[hook014]

I think WRs are easiest position to peg. I mean seriously, Wayne, Moss, AJohnson, Fitzgerald, White, etc... Once they get into the top 10, they tend to hover around that spot. You don't see guys jump up into the top 5 at WR, and then drop off the face of the Earth like you do at RB (Steve Slaton, I'm looking in your direction). I'd argue the WR spot is the least likely of the main fantasy positions to lose a guy to injury as well.Anyway, just my opinion.

Exactly. Getting 2 WR studs early or at least one puts you in the "I dont wanna play him" category in most leagues.I'm the guy in your league who can easily sniff out late RB value but I'm done if I dont grab up a stud WR or 2 in the draft. This year,Grant? the 4th, Rice? got him in the fifth. Mendenhall? the 10th. I get value MOST years but not all in the middle rounds at RB. The point is this; if you're like me dont be hesitant to pick stud wrs early and use your fbg acct to sniff out late RB value. It could win you a championship.If I go RB, RB in the draft I always miss the strike on WR value late. And I think those guys saying how easy it is to grab a WW rec. are full of it. They hit on one this year or maybe the last 2 years and think it's easy. It's not easy. Far easier to grab a rb replacement and add him to your WR rich team.

 

[Ariakis]

I think WRs are easiest position to peg. I mean seriously, Wayne, Moss, AJohnson, Fitzgerald, White, etc... Once they get into the top 10, they tend to hover around that spot. You don't see guys jump up into the top 5 at WR, and then drop off the face of the Earth like you do at RB (Steve Slaton, I'm looking in your direction). I'd argue the WR spot is the least likely of the main fantasy positions to lose a guy to injury as well.Anyway, just my opinion.

Exactly. Getting 2 WR studs early or at least one puts you in the "I dont wanna play him" category in most leagues.I'm the guy in your league who can easily sniff out late RB value but I'm done if I dont grab up a stud WR or 2 in the draft. This year,Grant? the 4th, Rice? got him in the fifth. Mendenhall? the 10th. I get value MOST years but not all in the middle rounds at RB. The point is this; if you're like me dont be hesitant to pick stud wrs early and use your fbg acct to sniff out late RB value. It could win you a championship.If I go RB, RB in the draft I always miss the strike on WR value late. And I think those guys saying how easy it is to grab a WW rec. are full of it. They hit on one this year or maybe the last 2 years and think it's easy. It's not easy. Far easier to grab a rb replacement and add him to your WR rich team.

You have a point but there are going to be risks in the 5-20 spot. Eddie Royal comes to mind.You could have picked up Austin, MSW, and Rice off of the WW for nice success just as likely as finding sleepers at RB. This changes year to year. Garbage time production was for some reason down this year by bad passing attacks. RB injuries really didn't strike until late. There were a ton of WR's that emerged during the season. That changes year by year.

 

[RazorbackPete]

I agree with those who put Carolina's Steve Smith in the top 10, especially if he can get a "D" performance at QB, as opposed to the F- Delhomme has delivered. Look at his performances since Matt Moore took over.

I would place Austin Miles just outside the top 10. Although he is clearly talented, he does not have the body of work that many other WRs have over several years to justify a top 10 rating. He may end up in the top 10 points-wise, but I'd want to see one more year of production before I rank him so highly.

 

[Andrew74]

I think you have to put Calvin in the top 10 for 2010. In my 0.5ppr league, he still ended up the #24 WR after missing two games (really 3 if you count week 5). Nobody respects the Detroit WRs other than him, so it's not as if 2010 will be the first year. He is #10 on the list of targets and #6 in targets/game. I am leery of his health, but I don't remember him having big issues in 2008. But I believe if he and Stafford stay healthy, then get another offseason to work together, his talent is too great to not be top 10.

I had a decision to make in my keep 4 league mentioned above, and I sold Austin and not Calvin.

 

[Banger]

I agree with those who put Carolina's Steve Smith in the top 10, especially if he can get a "D" performance at QB, as opposed to the F- Delhomme has delivered. Look at his performances since Matt Moore took over. I would place Austin Miles just outside the top 10. Although he is clearly talented, he does not have the body of work that many other WRs have over several years to justify a top 10 rating. He may end up in the top 10 points-wise, but I'd want to see one more year of production before I rank him so highly.

Good post. Completely agree with your take on Austin. In the early rounds I rarely go for the flavor of the day. He absolutely may be legit but there are guys all arouind him that I KNOW are legit and if my guy ends up 8th and Austin ends up 4th I'm perfectly fine with that. Its all about risk and reward for me and at the top of the draft I'm looking for stability and the middle rounds is where I shoot for the homeruns.

 

[hook014]

I think WRs are easiest position to peg. I mean seriously, Wayne, Moss, AJohnson, Fitzgerald, White, etc... Once they get into the top 10, they tend to hover around that spot. You don't see guys jump up into the top 5 at WR, and then drop off the face of the Earth like you do at RB (Steve Slaton, I'm looking in your direction). I'd argue the WR spot is the least likely of the main fantasy positions to lose a guy to injury as well.Anyway, just my opinion.

Exactly. Getting 2 WR studs early or at least one puts you in the "I dont wanna play him" category in most leagues.I'm the guy in your league who can easily sniff out late RB value but I'm done if I dont grab up a stud WR or 2 in the draft. This year,Grant? the 4th, Rice? got him in the fifth. Mendenhall? the 10th. I get value MOST years but not all in the middle rounds at RB. The point is this; if you're like me dont be hesitant to pick stud wrs early and use your fbg acct to sniff out late RB value. It could win you a championship.If I go RB, RB in the draft I always miss the strike on WR value late. And I think those guys saying how easy it is to grab a WW rec. are full of it. They hit on one this year or maybe the last 2 years and think it's easy. It's not easy. Far easier to grab a rb replacement and add him to your WR rich team.

If Grant went in the 4th round of your league then you are playing with tards. Congrats on the steal. Try a real league next year. Then try to pat yourself on the back.Tell the people who hit on S.Rice, M.Austin, or MSW that they are full of it when they tell you that it is easy to hit on a WW WR. Maybe those 3 should have been drafted, but I guarantee you that in leagues that don't let Grant slip to the 4th that starting caliber RB's are not available on the WW.Sorry but I'm sick of people patting themselves on the back for ridiculous crap. I got Rice in the 5th or 6th in a lot of leauges, too, but did I expect him to finish 4th overall? No. So I'm not going to brag on it afterwards. WR is the easiest spot to strike lightening. Even if Rice, Austin, and MSW were drafted, at least one of them hit the WW at some point in any league with 12 team/15-18 player rosters. Yes, Charles and Harrison came on late, but Charles was drafted in all my leagues and if you needed Harrison then he came on too late to help you.I'd rather bank on drafting 4 RB's, hoping 2 turn out to be studs, and 2 solid WR's and hoping to find a 3rd on the WW than banking on a late 2nd round talent (RB - Grant) falling to me in the 4th, a 5th rounder producing likes a top 5 pick, and a 10th rounder getting the starting job due to injury. Just because it worked for a guy in a terrible league, don't believe it will work for you year in and year out.

This is why so many people read but don't post in the shark pool. My post was only meant to encourage players like me who seem to hit on late RB value and miss on late wrs. I was able to do that without calling a group of people I don't know "tards" that play in a "terrible" league without bothering to find out what the league format is. FWIW starting parameters, flex , PPR and roster size will all come in to play in a draft and cause value players to drop. Except in your world.When making a point about draft strategy it's far easier to just name players and draft position. What isn't easy is making a point without someone thinking you're bragging. You're todays winner. Congrats and keep up the quality posting. You make the shark pool a better place.

 

[zamboni]

I think it will be a big bounce back year for Calvin. Going into the start of this season, you could have taken him as the first WR off the draft board and no one would have blinked. I'll definitely be targeting him and I think you will be able to steal him relatively late.

Take a look at this before you invest a lot. I got him an d I don't like what I'm seeing. They are going to take yet another huge beating in 2010.Home:Chicago BearsGreen Bay PackersMinnesota VikingsPhiladelphia EaglesWashington RedskinsNew England PatriotsNew York JetsSt. Louis RamsAway:Chicago BearsGreen Bay PackersMinnesota VikingsDallas CowboysNew York GiantsBuffalo BillsMiami DolphinsTampa Bay Buccaneers

Not singling you out, but it always seems presumptuous trying to project strength of schedule in preseason, much less in January. Things change quickly in the NFL.

 

[Black&Gold]

I think WRs are easiest position to peg. I mean seriously, Wayne, Moss, AJohnson, Fitzgerald, White, etc... Once they get into the top 10, they tend to hover around that spot. You don't see guys jump up into the top 5 at WR, and then drop off the face of the Earth like you do at RB (Steve Slaton, I'm looking in your direction). I'd argue the WR spot is the least likely of the main fantasy positions to lose a guy to injury as well.Anyway, just my opinion.

Exactly. Getting 2 WR studs early or at least one puts you in the "I dont wanna play him" category in most leagues.I'm the guy in your league who can easily sniff out late RB value but I'm done if I dont grab up a stud WR or 2 in the draft. This year,Grant? the 4th, Rice? got him in the fifth. Mendenhall? the 10th. I get value MOST years but not all in the middle rounds at RB. The point is this; if you're like me dont be hesitant to pick stud wrs early and use your fbg acct to sniff out late RB value. It could win you a championship.If I go RB, RB in the draft I always miss the strike on WR value late. And I think those guys saying how easy it is to grab a WW rec. are full of it. They hit on one this year or maybe the last 2 years and think it's easy. It's not easy. Far easier to grab a rb replacement and add him to your WR rich team.

If Grant went in the 4th round of your league then you are playing with tards. Congrats on the steal. Try a real league next year. Then try to pat yourself on the back.Tell the people who hit on S.Rice, M.Austin, or MSW that they are full of it when they tell you that it is easy to hit on a WW WR. Maybe those 3 should have been drafted, but I guarantee you that in leagues that don't let Grant slip to the 4th that starting caliber RB's are not available on the WW.Sorry but I'm sick of people patting themselves on the back for ridiculous crap. I got Rice in the 5th or 6th in a lot of leauges, too, but did I expect him to finish 4th overall? No. So I'm not going to brag on it afterwards. WR is the easiest spot to strike lightening. Even if Rice, Austin, and MSW were drafted, at least one of them hit the WW at some point in any league with 12 team/15-18 player rosters. Yes, Charles and Harrison came on late, but Charles was drafted in all my leagues and if you needed Harrison then he came on too late to help you.I'd rather bank on drafting 4 RB's, hoping 2 turn out to be studs, and 2 solid WR's and hoping to find a 3rd on the WW than banking on a late 2nd round talent (RB - Grant) falling to me in the 4th, a 5th rounder producing likes a top 5 pick, and a 10th rounder getting the starting job due to injury. Just because it worked for a guy in a terrible league, don't believe it will work for you year in and year out.

This is why so many people read but don't post in the shark pool. My post was only meant to encourage players like me who seem to hit on late RB value and miss on late wrs. I was able to do that without calling a group of people I don't know "tards" that play in a "terrible" league without bothering to find out what the league format is. FWIW starting parameters, flex , PPR and roster size will all come in to play in a draft and cause value players to drop. Except in your world.When making a point about draft strategy it's far easier to just name players and draft position. What isn't easy is making a point without someone thinking you're bragging. You're todays winner. Congrats and keep up the quality posting. You make the shark pool a better place.

Wow. Someone's a little "over-sensitive".

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think WRs are easiest position to peg. I mean seriously, Wayne, Moss, AJohnson, Fitzgerald, White, etc... Once they get into the top 10, they tend to hover around that spot. You don't see guys jump up into the top 5 at WR, and then drop off the face of the Earth like you do at RB (Steve Slaton, I'm looking in your direction). I'd argue the WR spot is the least likely of the main fantasy positions to lose a guy to injury as well.Anyway, just my opinion.

Exactly. Getting 2 WR studs early or at least one puts you in the "I dont wanna play him" category in most leagues.I'm the guy in your league who can easily sniff out late RB value but I'm done if I dont grab up a stud WR or 2 in the draft. This year,Grant? the 4th, Rice? got him in the fifth. Mendenhall? the 10th. I get value MOST years but not all in the middle rounds at RB. The point is this; if you're like me dont be hesitant to pick stud wrs early and use your fbg acct to sniff out late RB value. It could win you a championship.If I go RB, RB in the draft I always miss the strike on WR value late. And I think those guys saying how easy it is to grab a WW rec. are full of it. They hit on one this year or maybe the last 2 years and think it's easy. It's not easy. Far easier to grab a rb replacement and add him to your WR rich team.

If Grant went in the 4th round of your league then you are playing with tards. Congrats on the steal. Try a real league next year. Then try to pat yourself on the back.Tell the people who hit on S.Rice, M.Austin, or MSW that they are full of it when they tell you that it is easy to hit on a WW WR. Maybe those 3 should have been drafted, but I guarantee you that in leagues that don't let Grant slip to the 4th that starting caliber RB's are not available on the WW.Sorry but I'm sick of people patting themselves on the back for ridiculous crap. I got Rice in the 5th or 6th in a lot of leauges, too, but did I expect him to finish 4th overall? No. So I'm not going to brag on it afterwards. WR is the easiest spot to strike lightening. Even if Rice, Austin, and MSW were drafted, at least one of them hit the WW at some point in any league with 12 team/15-18 player rosters. Yes, Charles and Harrison came on late, but Charles was drafted in all my leagues and if you needed Harrison then he came on too late to help you.I'd rather bank on drafting 4 RB's, hoping 2 turn out to be studs, and 2 solid WR's and hoping to find a 3rd on the WW than banking on a late 2nd round talent (RB - Grant) falling to me in the 4th, a 5th rounder producing likes a top 5 pick, and a 10th rounder getting the starting job due to injury. Just because it worked for a guy in a terrible league, don't believe it will work for you year in and year out.

 

[footballsavvy]

I'd love to see Calvin there but he's got a long way to go. In my opinion is was a big setback having Stafford miss the end of the season this year. He seemed to be coming along well before getting injured. It is one thing to be a successful young QB on a good team (ie Arron Rodgers), but its a completely different scenario to have success on a team like Detroit where you are under constant pressure due to a sub par o-line, your running game is ineffective, and your only legitimate receiving target is double covered 100% of the time.

 

[fightingillini]

1. Andre Johnson - No brainer. Goes without saying.

2. Reggie Wayne - Has shown me no signs of slowing down. Keep riding that train.

3. Miles Austin - What can I say, I think he's legit.

4. Randy Moss - Crazy to think that this year was a "down" year for him, opposed to what people were expecting.

5. Vincent Jackson - Look for him to explode into UBERSTUDDOM next year. Rivers is only getting better.

6. Larry Fitzgerald - Warner is a question mark, and if Boldin leaves, how much will teams commit to stopping Larry?

7. Desean Jackson - His receptions need to increase to be considered reliable. He's amazing in yards and TDs though.

8. Roddy White - Was very spotty this year, but in the end, was top 10 again.

9. Brandon Marshall - Has to prove to me that he's pulled his head outta his ### before I rank him higher. (coming from a former owner of him, who had kept him going into the offseason in 08)

10. Santonio Holmes - 79 rec, 1248 yds, 5 tds. Very quiet season, but his overall numbers are there to wrap up the season.

Just Missed

Greg Jennings (Driver really dipped into his production this year.)

Anquan Boldin - Depending who he suits up for next year, he could jump into the Top 10.

Marques Colston - Brees simply doesn't care who you are, he'll throw the rock to anybody.

Calvin Johnson - who?

Pretty solid list. I would put Calvin in the top 10, but not in the top 5. Calvin would replace Santonio Holmes. I would lower Austin a little, nearer the 10th spot....but I agree that he's legit. I would lower Moss a little, since Welker will miss some time next year. Larry Fitzgerald should be a top 5 WR regardless of QB and Boldin. Brandon Marshall is too much of a risk to take in the top 10.....as you listed, there are at least 15 solid options at WR. I would add in Steve Smith CAR to the "Just missed" category, a lot depends on his QB next year. He's top 10 material if Matt Moore is his QB.

I would also consider Steve Smith of the NYG, in PPR leagues. It's hard to catch 100 passes and not finish in the top 10. With his role in the NYG offense, I don't see how SS NYG doesn't catch another 90+ passes for 1100+ yards and 6-8 TDs.

 

[H.K.]

I would also consider Steve Smith of the NYG, in PPR leagues. It's hard to catch 100 passes and not finish in the top 10. With his role in the NYG offense, I don't see how SS NYG doesn't catch another 90+ passes for 1100+ yards and 6-8 TDs.

He had almost 10 targets a game this season. With Nicks emerging as a formidable deep threat, Smith should gobble up enough receptions next year to keep him in the top 10.

 

[cr8f]

Pretty solid list. Although I would take Holmes out and put Colston in the top 10. You're higher on Miles and VJax than me, but I don't see any reason why they can't be argued into the top 10.

Agree. Austin was shut down at times this past year. Also Steve Smith should be higher.

 

[Da Guru]

very leery of Miles Austin

I am leary of Austin as well. Although Dallas really does not have anyone else and Romo looks for him. Desean is the one I am concerned about. The guy had all-world speed but will all those long TDs be there next season??

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Pretty solid list. Although I would take Holmes out and put Colston in the top 10. You're higher on Miles and VJax than me, but I don't see any reason why they can't be argued into the top 10.

Agree. Austin was shut down at times this past year. Also Steve Smith should be higher.

Name a receiver who wasn't shut down at times this past year. Austin had 124 targets, 81 receptions, 1,320 yards receiving, and 11 TD's. He led the team with 21 redzone targets, he was 2nd to Roy Williams in goal line targets with 5, and he barely saw the field in his first 3 games. If you throw out the first 3 games when he was not even part of the offense, he averaged over 9 targets per game. I have a really hard time finding 10 WR's I'd put ahead of him since he's a complete WR. He's a sure handed big target with the speed to be a deep threat. I have no problem putting him at #3 overall next year.

 

[Utter Chaos]

Calvin at #3 is kind of high in my opinion. I mean, look at the numbers. What has he really done to justify that position. He plays for the Lions and has a suspect QB throwing the rock. Not to mention Calvin's injury history. The guy looks like he's hurt every time he catches a pass.

It's hard to bring in his injury history because he had nagging injuries two of his first three years. Injuries can happen to anybody at anytime. Guys like Issac Bruce and Fred Taylor got hurt every year and then went years without getting hurt.Take a look at his 2008 numbers and the suspect quarterbacks he had throwing to him then on a team that didn't win a game. I think Stafford with a year under his belt will put Johnson back in the top 10 (barring injury). Maybe not quite as high as #3 but I'd put him just outside the top 5.2008 - Calvin Johnson - 78 catches, 1331 yards, 12 touchdowns2008 - Others Lions - 203 catches, 1968 yards, 7 touchdownsDan Orlovsky (72.6 rating), Jon Kitna (72.2), Duante Culpepper (63.9)Those numbers would have put Johnson 7th in 2009 in a PPR league and 2nd in a no-PPR league. I see know reason why he can't come close to that production again in 2010 if he and Stafford both stay healthy. His three best games in '09 all came with Stafford as QB and remember, he's only going to be 25 years old in 2010.

 

[fightingillini]

Name a receiver who wasn't shut down at times this past year.

Any WR can be shut down due to gameplanning, poor QB play, or due to game situations. For example, Andre Johnson was the #1WR this year, he had 3 games where he had less than 10 points in PPR. The games were against NYJ (Revis shut down everybody), OAK (Asomugah), and SF.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Calvin at #3 is kind of high in my opinion. I mean, look at the numbers. What has he really done to justify that position. He plays for the Lions and has a suspect QB throwing the rock. Not to mention Calvin's injury history. The guy looks like he's hurt every time he catches a pass.

It's hard to bring in his injury history because he had nagging injuries two of his first three years. Injuries can happen to anybody at anytime. Guys like Issac Bruce and Fred Taylor got hurt every year and then went years without getting hurt.Take a look at his 2008 numbers and the suspect quarterbacks he had throwing to him then on a team that didn't win a game. I think Stafford with a year under his belt will put Johnson back in the top 10 (barring injury). Maybe not quite as high as #3 but I'd put him just outside the top 5.2008 - Calvin Johnson - 78 catches, 1331 yards, 12 touchdowns2008 - Others Lions - 203 catches, 1968 yards, 7 touchdownsDan Orlovsky (72.6 rating), Jon Kitna (72.2), Duante Culpepper (63.9)Those numbers would have put Johnson 7th in 2009 in a PPR league and 2nd in a no-PPR league. I see know reason why he can't come close to that production again in 2010 if he and Stafford both stay healthy. His three best games in '09 all came with Stafford as QB and remember, he's only going to be 25 years old in 2010.

Calvin will be Top 10 in 2010. Lions defense will suck again & Stafford will be bombs away.

 

[rock753]

I think WRs are easiest position to peg. I mean seriously, Wayne, Moss, AJohnson, Fitzgerald, White, etc... Once they get into the top 10, they tend to hover around that spot. You don't see guys jump up into the top 5 at WR, and then drop off the face of the Earth like you do at RB (Steve Slaton, I'm looking in your direction). I'd argue the WR spot is the least likely of the main fantasy positions to lose a guy to injury as well.Anyway, just my opinion.

It's a good opinion.

 

[Captain Hook]

Anquan Boldin - Depending who he suits up for next year???, he could jump into the Top 10.

Boldin IS under contract to Arizona in 2010.......I doubt they trade him.....even if the offers increase from last year

 

[kneeshooter]

Don't understand the skepticism towards Marshall. No receiver in history had as tumultuous an offseaon as Marshall did last year, what with the assault charges, hip injury, new head coach demoting him and having his Pro Bowl quarterback traded for Kyle flippin Orton. He responded with a Top Ten (Top Five avg pts per game) finish and showed once again what an absolute freak of an athlete he is.

I don't care where he ends up next year - to omit him from the Top Ten is unfounded.

 

[Birdie048]

1. Andre Johnson - No brainer. Goes without saying.

2. Reggie Wayne - Has shown me no signs of slowing down. Keep riding that train.

3. Miles Austin - What can I say, I think he's legit.

4. Randy Moss - Crazy to think that this year was a "down" year for him, opposed to what people were expecting.

5. Vincent Jackson - Look for him to explode into UBERSTUDDOM next year. Rivers is only getting better.

6. Larry Fitzgerald - Warner is a question mark, and if Boldin leaves, how much will teams commit to stopping Larry?

7. Desean Jackson - His receptions need to increase to be considered reliable. He's amazing in yards and TDs though.

8. Roddy White - Was very spotty this year, but in the end, was top 10 again.

9. Brandon Marshall - Has to prove to me that he's pulled his head outta his ### before I rank him higher. (coming from a former owner of him, who had kept him going into the offseason in 08)

10. Santonio Holmes - 79 rec, 1248 yds, 5 tds. Very quiet season, but his overall numbers are there to wrap up the season.

Just Missed

Greg Jennings (Driver really dipped into his production this year.)

Anquan Boldin - Depending who he suits up for next year, he could jump into the Top 10.

Marques Colston - Brees simply doesn't care who you are, he'll throw the rock to anybody.

Calvin Johnson - who?

My top-101. Andre Johnson-I agree, its almost a no-brainer.

2. Larry Fitzgerald- Too consistent and its very possible he hasn't hit his ceiling yet.

3. Calvin Johnson-Is the most talented WR in the NFL in my opinion. I think Stafford(and the Lions) take a big step forward.

4. Reggie Wayne-Just as good as ever. Some worry about there being too many mouths to feed, but that's just paranoia.

5. DeSean Jackson-The big plays will be down, the receptions will be up. He's a LOT better short area WR than assumed.

6. Vincent Jackson-Rivers loves throwing deep to him, but SD doesn't pass enough for him to crack the top-5.

7. Roddy White-You summed it up pretty well. Hopefully he'll be more consistent next year.

8. Randy Moss-I worry about Welker's health, I think he needs Welker just about as much as Welker needs Moss.

9. Miles Austin-I agree he's legit, I just feel they'll run the ball more and teams will be better prepared next year.

10. Marques Colston- Brees throws so well that somebody has to be a top-10 guy. Colston has the best history.

Just Missed:

Sidney Rice-I think this offense will be even better in 2010 and Rice is improving pretty steadily.

Percy Harvin-I think he'll move ahead of Berrian this offseason. He and Rice could evolve into a lesser Moss-Welker duo.

Michael Crabtree-It'll be interesting to see how he'll do with a full offseason. Looked great considering the circumstances.

While these are very solid lists and there are only a few players that have some minor questions (S Rice = will Favre return, Calvin = schedule/Offense issues, Crabtree = development), I like this sort of dialogue. It helps the Shark Pool with sounding boards of thought and reason.The Top 3 are primarily AJ, Fitz & Wayne in most polls, but even that could be disputed as to the order. And they would only be separated by the finest of intangible differences (dome play, SOS, WR compliment, OL issues, QB arm strength, etc). Talent will show. And this list is a physically talented group.

How do you separate the "value" of Wayne over Austin? Or Rice over Boldin?

I ask because I have to decide (in July/Aug) on which 2 players to declare as Keepers.

Since we start 3 WR in a 0.5 ppr league, WR's are critical for success.

R Wayne (#4 WR / #24 overall)

M Austin (#5 WR / #29 overall)

L Fitz (#8 WR / #37 overall)

S Rice (#12 WR / #47 overall)

Does Fitz drop with Warner's return in question? Or does Fitz go up with Boldin's possible departure?

Does M Austin continue to climb with more development and more playing time?

Does R Wayne start to lose a step as he will be 32 yo next season? Or will Garcon, Collie & Gonzo take up more targets?

My List of Top 10 WR for 2010

1. Larry Fitzgerald- Still climbing in value. Offense will continue to flourish with more weapons.

2. Andre Johnson- His athletic moves make DB's play the ball and not him.

3. DeSean Jackson- More receptions = more big plays, but fewer PR TD's. Maclin will help him.

4. Reggie Wayne- Will see fewer touches as more weapons emerge in Indy - Dallas Clark, Pierre Garcon, Austin Collie, and return of Anthony Gonzalez. Only so much the pie can be divided. Plus age is getting up there.

5. Vincent Jackson-Rivers loves throwing deep to him, but SD doesn't pass enough for him to crack the top-5.

6. Calvin Johnson- Physically, IMO he is the most talented WR in the NFL - body control and athletic grace. He needs a nice WR2 with him and Stafford to develop more for him to really emerge as elite.

7. Miles Austin- I really like this kid. Time and experience will only help him be more valuable in Dallas. He will emerge as "the weapon" that DeSean is in Philly.

8. Randy Moss - Edelman will replace Welker but nobody can replace Moss. The offense needs to stay healthy for him to stay at this level. He will be 33 yo next season, so a drop is possible.

9. Marques Colston- He is Brees's #1 target. The high octane offense will still roll next year. Limited injury history so not a concern.

10. Greg Jennings - With more time to develop with A Rodgers and an improved OL, Jennings will be a Top WR. D Driver was exploiting the double coverage Jennings saw early, but Driver will be 35 yo next season. His time in GB is over. That is an extra 108 targets and Jennings will see a good chunk of those.

Just Missed

Roddy White - Turner & Matt Ryan's issues limited him this year. I agree that the need for a consistent year.

Sidney Rice - Favre's return and continued "youth" will not last forever. Harvin & Berrian will still be targeted. Not enough targets to make Top 10.

 

[BlackMagic10]

Non PPR.

1. Andre Johnson

2. Larry Fitzgerald

3. Reggie Wayne

4. Randy Moss

5. Vincent Jackson

6. Miles Austin

7. Sidney Rice

8. Steve Smith (Car)

9. DeSean Jackson

10. Calvin Johnson

 

[Captain Hook]

Birdie - rather than copy/edit your entire post, Warner is under contract for 2010 with Arizona......I doubt that either side wants to change that.

In answer to your keeper question I think the answer is clearly to trade one if not two of your receivers

 

[Sleeping King]

I'm guessing the only thing keeping Warner from returning is another ring.

 

[UFO]

Anybody discounting Marshall and excluding him from the top 5 is smoking crack. Three straight 100 reception seasons despite missing 2 games last year not starting for a few this year AND with a new QB (less than stellar I made add), new coach and offense that spreads ball. I am not at all concerned where he lands, he essentially went to a new team this year and excelled. He comes to play EVERY week I think he has his head on straight, he is just not a good mix with a #### head like McDaniels. I can see him winding up in either Washington (to re-unite with Shanny), we know Snyder will pay him or Chicago back with Cutler. Either place he will get 100+ rec, 1200+ yards and double digit TDs almost guaranteed. He also is young and seems to play through injuries. Give me him in a dynasty league over Fitz, CJ or AJ anyday.

I think about him what I used to think about Cal Johnson that anyone could line up at QB and he would be a stud...I don't feel like that about CJ anymore but I do about Marshall.

 

[Incog]

That is true. He's been pretty stellar under a new system and now these past 3 years. Should be real interesting what team he goes to next year. Might end up being a steal if people are still going to be down on him for all the drama. Hoping he doesn't go to the Raiders tho if that's even a possibility. Is it? Scared now.

 

[bryan11joseph]

Bump - to see what adjustments everyone thinks should be made to this list.

 

[MrSoup]

Thanks for the bump bro! Forgot all about this thread.

I must've just taken one too many bong rips January 4th to put Santonio Holmes on that list.

Obviously VJax and Santonio are no longer on that list. I say move Jennings and Boldin up in there.

 

[Horsec]

Andre- no doubt.

Fitz- still think his targets will be extremely high, too much ability to have a huge dropoff without Warner/Boldin. If Leinart fails, DA can rip it downfield and Fitz gets downfield balls in traffic better than anyone save perhaps Moss. (vintage moss) Love 2 games vs the Rams.

Miles- just love the upside and think this Offense will be huge this year. Dez/Witten/Felix this all helps Miles.

Moss- I don't want to draft him, but I can't see how you don't put him here. Is slowing down but if there's a threat opposite, with Brady a year removed from inj, Moss is top 5 no doubt I should think.

Wayne- inconsistency drives me nuts as do all the other weapons here... but Mannings #1 will finish top 5-7, how could he not?.

Roddy- this starts the second tier IMO, with Turner keeping D honest, and Gonzo getting attention, Roddy will get his. Would love to see a bonafide #2 WR here, but still think he gets a lotta targets.

Brandon- ya he faces Revis twice, ya it's a run first Offense, ya he had a little hip deal... but jeez man this dude has so much talent its sick... and Henne may be better than Orton. Could be higher but its a bit risky for me. Plus this knucklehead's on South Beach?

Calvin- having a hard time putting him higher... but how low can you put him? Addition of Burleson should help, Matty in his second year and if Best is as explosive as advertised... this guys blend of size/speed/athleticism is too much for him to be any lower.

Rice- Aside from Favre "uncertainty" and the injury mystery... I would have him here as a Lock. Love the big play ability, you know Favre wants to chuck it around... I'm a big fan. Percy you better be alright. And AP helps Rice a ton.

Boldin/Colston/Jennings... can I tie them for 10th? Love Boldin's PPG, but health is always an issue. Still a run first team. But man I love to watch this guy play. Colston is the #1 target in a very explosive O. Though it's an O that is intent on finding catches for their "RB". Like his size, and Brees is very confident in him. Plays TB twice. Jennings doesnt seem to get much pub. Lot of ability, seemingly the #1 FF QB, tough weather games but his skills and that offense, he just has to have numbers. Shouldn't be affected by a Driver demise if there is one with Jones/Nelson. Finley's a beast.

I dunno... those are some thoughts.