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Top 4 Rotation: Oakland vs. Detroit (1 Viewer)
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Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
We factoring in defense here?
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I'll go a bit further:
Starting pitching: Oakland by a small margin. Something's wrong with Verlander. And Price is the best of the bunch, but losing Smyly is not inconsequential.
Bullpen: Oakland by some. Detroit could cut the gap by a lot if they booted Nathan out of high-lev situations.
Hitting: Oakland by a small margin.
Defense: Oakland by a lot.
Which, of course, doesn't mean a whole helluva lot in a short series.
Starting pitching: Oakland by a small margin. Something's wrong with Verlander. And Price is the best of the bunch, but losing Smyly is not inconsequential.
Bullpen: Oakland by some. Detroit could cut the gap by a lot if they booted Nathan out of high-lev situations.
Hitting: Oakland by a small margin.
Defense: Oakland by a lot.
Which, of course, doesn't mean a whole helluva lot in a short series.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Kazmir has been awful in the postseason and who knows how Samardzia will be.
I dont think this one's particularly close even if Lester is money.
I dont think this one's particularly close even if Lester is money.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Did Porcello die or something?
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I think Frost is assuming this is the playoffs and what their likely playoff rotations will be.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
He's got the best numbers on the staff. It'll be a kick in the nuts if he doesn't get the ball in the playoffs.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
8 starts in 2008-2009? He's a completely different guy, I would take my chances.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He's might win 18+ this year. I don't think he's sitting. It would be nuts to sit an of the CYA winners but JV is the least impressive by a good margin. He's also one of the most clutch pitchers I've seen since Morris hung it up.
They're a good ways off from having to make that decision but I would probably sit Anibal.
Detroit is the better 'hitting' team by almost every measure. Oakland is better offensively because they take a gazillion walks. Verlander is on the verge of finding his stuff again, at least I hope. He is showing signs. When you start including Sanchez/Porcello as part of the Tigers bullpen in the post season, it will be a big help, but closer is still a big issue.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Detroit has the better rotation, but Oakland's got it everywhere else. The wildcard will be what does our #5, whoever it is, do out of the pen in October.
The lack of a situational lefty out of the pen has me very nervous. Mix that with the outfield defense and Oakland's ability to take a walk and there's some very big inning potential.
The lack of a situational lefty out of the pen has me very nervous. Mix that with the outfield defense and Oakland's ability to take a walk and there's some very big inning potential.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Porcello has the best numbers on the staff? What? CErtainly not better than Scherzer or Price. Pretty close with Anibal.
Gopher State
Footballguy
I like Detroit, but not sure about JV, I think he has pitched more innings in the past 5 years then any other pitcher. He looks tired. The x manager smoky, never seemed to let JV pitch less then 100 pitches in a game. IF JV is ok, Detroit.
Hilts
Footballguy
And if JV isn't okay? I don't think Detroit should let him start in the post season, unless he has a dramatic turn around from here out. Heck, while I know it would never happen, they should consider leaving him off the playoff roster altogether. He's looking like the Derek Jeter of pitchers right now. Detroit still has an incredible rotation with Price/Scherzer/Porcello/Sanchez.
igbomb
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
As an Athletics fan, I'd be happy if Detroit ran Verlander out there if he doesn't turn it around.
And really, chances are they're not going to even see each other. The A's have to 1) win the division / or the play-in game, 2) beat the Angels or the play-in winner, and 3) Detroit has to beat the ALE winner. Lot of bridges to cross.
And really, chances are they're not going to even see each other. The A's have to 1) win the division / or the play-in game, 2) beat the Angels or the play-in winner, and 3) Detroit has to beat the ALE winner. Lot of bridges to cross.
Gopher State
Footballguy
JV pitches no matter what he and miggy are the face of the Tigers. But in reality he hasn't been the same pitcher he was in the past 1 1/2 years, no doubt he can turn it around
Doctor Detroit
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Detroit has to win their division first, and they aren't really inspiring a lot of confidence lately.
As a Tigers fan I'm about as worried about Oakland as I am about possibly catching Ebola.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Fun fact: The Tigers 5 man rotation has a higher combined salary than three MLB team's 25 man rosters.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Gordon's leading the Royals with a slugging % of .421. They pick it well and their pitching is decent (esp. their pen), but it's hard to see a team that punchless overcome what Detroit has now.
Hilts
Footballguy
Based on his production this year, it should absolutely be in consideration. Considering the contract he has and how good he has been in the past, it won't happen. But the guy is a liability as a starter right now.Oh come on
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Interesting article on Verlander from about a week ago:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/justin-verlander-may-be-hurting-but-is-he-injured/
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/justin-verlander-may-be-hurting-but-is-he-injured/
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Might have something to do with his offseason surgery, not sure. Anything core-related is bad for a pitcher, but he hasn't been nearly as bad as people want it to seem. It's just strange not seeing him be elite. He struggled last year too, but he had periods of eliteness including the playoffs. His stuff is there, the location and the break of his curve ball for example, are not. It's possible he just never properly recovered from his surgery, but I think long-term he's going to be just fine. I am a little worried right now, but he's been better of late and he now seems to have more command in the early innings.Good Posting Judge said:
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
8 IPHilts said:Based on his production this year, it should absolutely be in consideration. Considering the contract he has and how good he has been in the past, it won't happen. But the guy is a liability as a starter right now.igbomb said:Oh come onHilts said:
2 R
8 H
0 BB
5 Ks
That's not a liability.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
He has the 8th-worst xFIP among qualifying pitchers and he's in the bottom 10 in WHIP and BAA.
He may be better over the rest of the season, but he has definitely been bad.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
He's also 44th in WAR ahead of guys like Hudson, Hammel, and Simon.
He's not been very good, I'm not arguing that, but people saying he is a liability are drunk.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Doesn't make sense to give up on JV when he's been bad and returned to dominance within the same season on more than one occasion.
He's gotten better every game since the all-star break, 8 strong tonight. People are suggesting leaving him off the playoff roster? Second half numbers mean a lot more than first half.
He's gotten better every game since the all-star break, 8 strong tonight. People are suggesting leaving him off the playoff roster? Second half numbers mean a lot more than first half.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
8 IP8 IPHilts said:Based on his production this year, it should absolutely be in consideration. Considering the contract he has and how good he has been in the past, it won't happen. But the guy is a liability as a starter right now.igbomb said:Oh come onHilts said:
2 R
8 H
0 BB
5 Ks
That's not a liability.
1 R
^^^^^^ Really should have been this but Nick threw the ball high to the catcher on that groundball to 3rd base.
Hilts
Footballguy
Oh come on
Though right now Oakland and Detroit are both facing the very real possibility of not even making the playoffs (or playing the wild card single game set).
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Pitcher ....WHIP ....Avg. ...Qual Starts ...K/BB ....GDP ......ERA .....HRs allowed
Price .......1.00 ..... .227 ...........20 ...........7.6 ........10 ........3.00 ...........3
Porcello ..1.12 ..... .248 ...........17 ...........3.1 ........26 ........3.10 .........13
Max ........1.14 ..... .234 ...........18 ...........4.2 ........14 ........3.13 .........15
Sanchez .1.10 ..... .228 ...........10 ...........3.4 ........ 8 ........3.46 ...........4
JV ...........1.44 ..... .275 ...........15 ...........2.1 ........15 ........4.82 .........16
Price has the edge, but a lot of similarities in Price, Porcello, and Max. Price and Max get out of trouble with Ks; Porcello with DPs.
Sanchez can be hot or cold. He doesn't get burned with the long ball.
JV just hasn't been clicking, as others have noted, though he does have 15 QSs.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
A's have been pretty beat up, tbh i think lester's helped more than he's hurt.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
shadyridr said:
Ajax has his moments but they soon go away.
