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Top 5 Players you are avoiding (1 Viewer)
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Beefeaters
Footballguy
1. Donovan McNabb
2. Torry Holt
3. Chad Johnson
4. Jamal Lewis
5. Willie Parker
2. Torry Holt
3. Chad Johnson
4. Jamal Lewis
5. Willie Parker
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
1. Chad Johnson - not a tenth as good as he thinks he is.
2. Marc Bulger - fool me once shame...
3. Todd Heap - fool me three times...
4. Santana Moss - two new rooks and hasn't been good in a year and a half.
5. Frank Gore/MJD/Ryan Grant/Earnest Graham - one year wonders
2. Marc Bulger - fool me once shame...
3. Todd Heap - fool me three times...
4. Santana Moss - two new rooks and hasn't been good in a year and a half.
5. Frank Gore/MJD/Ryan Grant/Earnest Graham - one year wonders
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
1. Roy Williams: This guy never lives up to the hype.
2. Maroney: Pats are thinking about Kevin Jones being brought in.
3. Any Carolina RB: Check the stats under John Fox...it's never a good idea to bank on a Carolina RB
4. Clinton Portis: IN FF regular season over the past 2 seasons he has broken the 100 yard rushing mark a total of 3 times...in 2 years.
5. Matt Hasselbeck: Lost DJax, DJ, and Branch is kinda gimpy. No established TE, OL is getting older, Holmgren is retiring after this season...and he is being taken #6 off the board in redrafts...way too hyped this year after being a tremmendous value last season.
2. Maroney: Pats are thinking about Kevin Jones being brought in.
3. Any Carolina RB: Check the stats under John Fox...it's never a good idea to bank on a Carolina RB
4. Clinton Portis: IN FF regular season over the past 2 seasons he has broken the 100 yard rushing mark a total of 3 times...in 2 years.
5. Matt Hasselbeck: Lost DJax, DJ, and Branch is kinda gimpy. No established TE, OL is getting older, Holmgren is retiring after this season...and he is being taken #6 off the board in redrafts...way too hyped this year after being a tremmendous value last season.
JPeso
Footballguy
JPeso
Footballguy
If you play in PPR leagues with 6 points for TDs this should not matter.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Two top 15 finishes in his only two years, how does he qualify as a one year wonder?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He was top 15 last year? I guess I underestimated. I'm still wary.Same thing with Gore. I didn't realize how much he turned it on last year. Although his carries per game is a bit concerning.
You've proven me wrong though. I'll scratch them off the list.
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Why?
Beefeaters
Footballguy
I honestly believe that he has never recovered from THE HIT he took from Russell in the 2006 Cleveland game. They say that the first time a man takes a giant hit like that, that it changes him forever.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Actually, 13th, and he missed a game.
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awesomeness
Guest
1. Any player on the Lions offensive roster
2. JaMarcus Russel
3. Javon Walker
4. Any Bengals RB
5. Willie Parker
2. JaMarcus Russel
3. Javon Walker
4. Any Bengals RB
5. Willie Parker
NorrisB
Footballguy
1. Brian Westbrook- Westbrook =
2. Donovan McNabb- McNabb =
3. Santonio Holmes- I'll take Cotchery later for the same type of player and #s
4. Plaxico Burress- Dont think he holds up
5. Greg Jennings- With no favre to give him the ball deep he will be Lee Evans
6. Laurence Maroney-
7. Willis McGahee- This says it all
8. Kevin Smith- He's a bum
9. Dexter Jackson- He's a kick returner
10. Keith Rivers
2. Donovan McNabb- McNabb =
3. Santonio Holmes- I'll take Cotchery later for the same type of player and #s
4. Plaxico Burress- Dont think he holds up
5. Greg Jennings- With no favre to give him the ball deep he will be Lee Evans
6. Laurence Maroney-
7. Willis McGahee- This says it all
8. Kevin Smith- He's a bum
9. Dexter Jackson- He's a kick returner
10. Keith Rivers
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a_troll00
Footballguy
Bulger has fallen a bit in the current rankings, about 11-12 for QBs. I'm actually seeing him as low hanging fruit...
gianmarco
Footballguy
No reason to get personal here........
QB: Carson Palmer, I just don't see him as a top-5 QB.
RB: Maurice Jones-Drew, He's been going at the tail end of the 1st round in many redrafts and that's too high for me.
RB: Brandon Jacobs, I just don't like him at all. I'd take Graham over him and I think that will be the case in any redraft I'm in.
WR: Roy Williams, Why this guy is so hyped is beyond me. Good 2006, average every other injury plagued year.
WR: Andre Johnson, seems to be a consensus top-5 WR, despite never having a top-10 season. In a dynasty I like him, but I'd rather have someone more proven in a redraft.
TE: Vernon Davis, not in my top-10 TE's safe to say I won't get him.
Guess that was 6, but I had to include VD.
RB: Maurice Jones-Drew, He's been going at the tail end of the 1st round in many redrafts and that's too high for me.
RB: Brandon Jacobs, I just don't like him at all. I'd take Graham over him and I think that will be the case in any redraft I'm in.
WR: Roy Williams, Why this guy is so hyped is beyond me. Good 2006, average every other injury plagued year.
WR: Andre Johnson, seems to be a consensus top-5 WR, despite never having a top-10 season. In a dynasty I like him, but I'd rather have someone more proven in a redraft.
TE: Vernon Davis, not in my top-10 TE's safe to say I won't get him.
Guess that was 6, but I had to include VD.
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
5 players I'm avoiding @ each major position
D. Anderson - I just think Brady Quinn gets in there somehow and never looks back.
Kitna - Is Kitna really a top 15 qb? Does he play the whole year or does a younger guy get a shot? How will the run first o affect him?
Bulger - The Rams are based around S. Jax + Bulger can't stay healthy = overrated.
Gerrard - Good qb for his team...bad ff qb. The Jaqs are giving the ball to Freddy and MJD.
Garcia - I have Garcia about #20 and I guess he could preform there but he's old and they have alot of qb's there.
Willie Parker - Not that good, never has been that good, will never be good. O-line isn't as good and rookie breathing down his throat.
M. Barber - Pass offense and new rb's on roster. I don't like the way this looks for Barber. Take away his td's and how good is he?
R. Grant - I really want to see how GB looks without Favre before drafting GB skill players
B. Jacobs - Gets hurt alot and Bradshaw is impressive. I wouldn't take him in the top 20
L. White (Porkchop) - When a team has alot of needs and drafts your position in the first and second year in a row....they ain't sold on you.
S. Moss - Inconsistant....that all I got to say about that
Housh - You want to be the #1, let's see how you can handle a double team.
L. Evans - He has skills I just don't know about his qb and don't know if Buffalo uses him probably
G. Jennings - Aaron Rodgers < Brett Favre
B. Marshall - Has some great games last year in the second half but I think he needs some more protection around him. Ranked to high.
D. Anderson - I just think Brady Quinn gets in there somehow and never looks back.
Kitna - Is Kitna really a top 15 qb? Does he play the whole year or does a younger guy get a shot? How will the run first o affect him?
Bulger - The Rams are based around S. Jax + Bulger can't stay healthy = overrated.
Gerrard - Good qb for his team...bad ff qb. The Jaqs are giving the ball to Freddy and MJD.
Garcia - I have Garcia about #20 and I guess he could preform there but he's old and they have alot of qb's there.
Willie Parker - Not that good, never has been that good, will never be good. O-line isn't as good and rookie breathing down his throat.
M. Barber - Pass offense and new rb's on roster. I don't like the way this looks for Barber. Take away his td's and how good is he?
R. Grant - I really want to see how GB looks without Favre before drafting GB skill players
B. Jacobs - Gets hurt alot and Bradshaw is impressive. I wouldn't take him in the top 20
L. White (Porkchop) - When a team has alot of needs and drafts your position in the first and second year in a row....they ain't sold on you.
S. Moss - Inconsistant....that all I got to say about that
Housh - You want to be the #1, let's see how you can handle a double team.
L. Evans - He has skills I just don't know about his qb and don't know if Buffalo uses him probably
G. Jennings - Aaron Rodgers < Brett Favre
B. Marshall - Has some great games last year in the second half but I think he needs some more protection around him. Ranked to high.
gianmarco
Footballguy
They gave the ball to Freddy and MJD all year last year. Garrard still put up very solid #'s. You may want to go pull up his fantasy points in your league and look at his week to week production. You may be surprised.If you're questioning whether or not he keeps it up, that's one thing. But he was a very good fantasy QB last year and makes an ideal #2 (which is where he's being drafted) and can be a #1 that won't cost you any games.
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Looks like Parker might provide good value with everyone having him on their do not draft list.
My 5
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Darren McFadden
3. Rashard Mendenhall
4. Greg Jennings
5. Calvin Johnson
My 5
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Darren McFadden
3. Rashard Mendenhall
4. Greg Jennings
5. Calvin Johnson
5 guys I'm a little wary of, with their FBG redraft ADP:
4. Steven Jackson - I think I'd rather have Addai or Marion Barber as a cornerstone RB.
12. QB Tom Brady - 35 TDs is more likely than 50. Why go stud QB when you can platoon 2 QB10-20 guys and hope one blows up (Romo, Rothl, Brees 06)
26. Ronnie Brown - major knee surgery, broken hand year before that; I'd rather have the guys ranked just after him Colston or Maroney
42. Thomas Jones - he's a feature RB but I think his chances of having a good RB2 season are prob 30/70
56. Travis Henry - Denver RB + knucklehead = ill pass again like i did last year
4. Steven Jackson - I think I'd rather have Addai or Marion Barber as a cornerstone RB.
12. QB Tom Brady - 35 TDs is more likely than 50. Why go stud QB when you can platoon 2 QB10-20 guys and hope one blows up (Romo, Rothl, Brees 06)
26. Ronnie Brown - major knee surgery, broken hand year before that; I'd rather have the guys ranked just after him Colston or Maroney
42. Thomas Jones - he's a feature RB but I think his chances of having a good RB2 season are prob 30/70
56. Travis Henry - Denver RB + knucklehead = ill pass again like i did last year
might want to check your stats on PortisMinistry of Pain said:
dude had 103 catches with David Carr throwing to him. Last season he was 2nd to Randy Moss in PPG (of course he was injured)Andre Johnson has a very high ceiling but definite bust potential due to injuries.as for me, I echo the sentiments regarding Dallas Clark, Roy Williams, and Javon Walker. They are on my "nope, not gonna do it" list. If Clark falls low enough, I'll pick him up, but no way do I touch him as a top-5 TE.travdogg said:
1. Dwayne Bowe
2. Carson Palmer
3. Marion Barber
4. Antonio Gates
5. Eli Manning
2. Carson Palmer
3. Marion Barber
4. Antonio Gates
5. Eli Manning
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't avoid many players if they fall far enough. About the only players who fall on a Do Not Draft list for me are guys that are already valued low by the masses (but are still "draftable") and I value them even lower, meaning I likely wouldn't ever consider starting them. Examples,
Jerious Norwood
Derrick Mason
JaMarcus Russell
Whatever Tennessee WR "emerges" in Training Camp
Warrick Dunn
Ted Ginn
Jerious Norwood
Derrick Mason
JaMarcus Russell
Whatever Tennessee WR "emerges" in Training Camp
Warrick Dunn
Ted Ginn
dmac37
Footballguy
Dynasty in relation to their value:
McFadden- he will not be AD, can't invest in the chicken legs
McGahee- I can see Rice taking over in 2 years
Jacobs- don't think the small reward is worth the risk
R. Moss- after last year he will go too high and would not be shocked to see trouble in paradise before too long
Palmer- the system and WR's bumped him up, but WR age and situation could take it's toll
McFadden- he will not be AD, can't invest in the chicken legs
McGahee- I can see Rice taking over in 2 years
Jacobs- don't think the small reward is worth the risk
R. Moss- after last year he will go too high and would not be shocked to see trouble in paradise before too long
Palmer- the system and WR's bumped him up, but WR age and situation could take it's toll
3. And Belichick never had a QB throw 50 TDs until Moss showed up. Sometimes you need talented guys, to get big results. They've never had a RB that can sniff the talent of Stewart. What did the Chargers do before LT? Vikings before AD? SF before Gore? You can't be a slave to the past. Otherwise, you will always be chasing stats, and a year behind. 4. FF regular season? Bahahahahahaha. Yeah, lets exclude the FF playoffs, because thats not as important. Lets drop down Portis for going off in the FF playoffs. FF regular season. You gotta be kidding. That's like saying in Weeks 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 he never had a 100 yard game. Okay, and? And unless you get points for 100 yard games, which most poeple don't, who cares?18 TDs in his last 24 regular season games. He was the 4th best RB last year. 47 catches? 1,600 total yards? 11 TDs? With the Skins, he's been ranked 11th, 6th, 4th among RBs. 2006 he was hurt. And with Denver he was ranked 4th and 5th. So 5 out of 6 years he was a top 12 RB, 4 out of 6 he was top 6RB. One year he was hurt. Come on. Portis is underrated. Once he left Denver, everyone dropped him 10 spots in RB rankings and still hasn't recovered. Portis actually was the victim of Gibbs being a complete and utter failure as a HC the 2nd time around. Gibbs was so bad, he basically gave up all offensive control and brought someone else in the run the show. Running a decent offense, he's been hugely productive. FF regular season. That's hilarious. You basically put your mind to it that you don't like Portis, then figured out a way to exclude a few big games to make a point. Yeah I always check the FF regular season vs FF playoff splits. Man when some guys hit week 14, they really fall off. Week 1-13, champions. Week 14-16, ouch it's a nightmare. Not many people will go for the FF regular/playoff season splits. Especially since it's made up, and no one but us even know it's the FF playoffs. I love that you actually made a post, pointing out Portis is better in the FF playoffs vs the FF regular season. That's awesome. Way to cherry pick stats. Lets use made up deadlines by FF commishes to split an NFL players stats. That's rich. Because Yahoos default league playoffs is week 13, that really has a big effect on NFL RBs. The added pressure really gets to some of them. Oh except Portis, which is why I’m down on him. *lol* Great post, as usual.Ministry of Pain said:
-OZ-
Footballguy
Interesting choice of words here. In these same two years, he's totaled less than 50 yards 2 times. I hope more people avoid Portis. I actually traded him away this off season, and regret it right now. I'll probably avoid:Chad JohnsonDarren McFaddenMarc BulgerJon KitnaDerek AndersonMinistry of Pain said:
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I count 3 games where he had 100 yds rushing from weeks 1-13 during the past 2 seasons...sorry but I discount stats that would only be good in the playoffs.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
One of the most entertaining posts I have ever read...please don't go into cardiac arrest over something I posted...I think the problem is you know its true. So now th eproblem isn't Portis but Joe Gibbs...OK, but is Jim Zorn going to turn heads as the HC? Portis also has over 1,700 carries...it's not the age with him but the mileage. I just am not excited about Portis but if guys want to take him in the top5 in redrafts, go for it. And to respond to what you wrote about Stewart...DeAngelo was putting together seasons at Memphis the way LT was whipping them up at TCU and I still believe if DeAngelo were actually the starter and was used as the 1st round RB he was drafted as that he would be able to show what he can really do. You talk about Gibbs being a failure, I think FOx has really been a poor HC over the past couple of seasons as well.Good Luck to you in the Fall
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awesomeness
Guest
i think you are being kinda unrealistic here. I haven't seen Portis taken in the top5 of any redraft. His ADP seems to be 7-10 from what i can tell. The top 5 seems to be some variation of ADP, LT, Westbrook, Stephen Jackson, and Addai in all leagues i have seen. And what is your reasoning for not including a players stats in the FF playoffs?
comfortably numb
Footballguy
If by never recovered you meant the following year; he went on to have the most targets of his career, most yards of his career, 3rd most REC of his career and 4th most TD's of his career, then I agreeBeefeaters said:
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You have to actually make the playoffs to use a guy. A lot of players have buried owners over the years with slow starts or simply not producing until late in the season.
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awesomeness
Guest
I can forsee a few problems by using that theory. What good does it do if a player gets you to the playoff and then does nothing in the playoffs? And are there actually players who have a history of doing significantly better in weeks 1-13 as opposed to 14-16?Scheduling also would be a major factor in determining if a player is gonna do well weeks 1-13 opposed to 14-16. I can forsee someone like Marshawn Lynch's stats being significantly better in weeks 1-13 if he gets to face both the Jets and the dolphins twice each before week 14, as opposed to the next year in weeks 1-13 if he only gets to face the Jets and dolphins once each before week 14.
chocolate bomber
Footballguy
I don't remember exactly what happened with Portis last year, but in spite of his season ending totals, he seemed to come up small for me week after week for the first half of the season(non-ppr). I thought I looked like a genius nabbing him in the third round of a 12 team league, but I'm pretty sure he kept me out of the playoffs with a few sub-mediocre games(head to head scoring).
-OZ-
Footballguy
You seemed smarter than this. The leagues I'm in allow for 6 or more teams to make the playoffs, I suspect it's the same with yours (otherwise, week 14 and maybe 15 would be the regular season). If Portis, who was a top 5 player for the 2007 season, and #6 in the last 6 weeks (I don't have a good way to check how a player scored weeks 1-13, and don't care), ruined your season, you might want to try drafting better after the 1st round. Someone once said you won't win the league in your first round, but you can lose it - and Portis is one of the safest bets you can make after pick 1.05.
To clarify my previous post, there is no player I'd pass on if I thought he presented the best value. The players I listed are guys I don't expect to present good value to me because I have them ranked much lower than most other people do.gianmarco said:
-OZ-
Footballguy
He had 4 bad weeks. 5 and 6, 11 and 12. I can see if you were on the cusp of making / not making the playoffs, weeks 11 and 12 hurt, but he was your 3rd round pick and produced top 5 stats. No offense, but I don't think the problem was Portis.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Portis ranked 4th last year, and as a thrird round pick was a steal. If you lost games or didn't make the playoffs, it had nothing to do with Portis. With last year being a down year for RBs, I don't see how he cost you anything . . . he only not one really low scoring game (vs DAL).
gianmarco
Footballguy
That was me that said that. I'm pretty famous for it.
Banger
Footballguy
Or somebody ten years before you. :X
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chocolate bomber
Footballguy
I don't know, man. This hardly looks too impressive after the fact:Opp/Yards/TD/FF Pounts(nonPPR)@PHI- 69 rush/7rec - 1TD - 12ptsDET - 72 rush/19rec - 0TD - 8pts@GB - 64 rush/25 rec - 0TD - 8pts@NE - 27 rush/54rec - 0TD - 7pts@DAL = 36 Rush/9rec - 0TD - 3pts@TB - 68 rush/33 rec - 0TD - 9ptsBUF - 50 rush/10 rec - 1TD - 12ptsCHI - 36 Rush/86 rec - 0TD - 9pts
gianmarco
Footballguy
I know some people are answering this in terms of value. But I also specifically said "even at good value"....It's ok to ignore certain players even if the value is there.
