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timschochet

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I am very very impressed with Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and Dallas

the way I see this now:

1. New England

1a. Indianapolis

Tied for 2nd: Dallas, Green Bay, Pittsburgh

It's that close

 
I am very very impressed with Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and Dallasthe way I see this now:1. New England1a. IndianapolisTied for 2nd: Dallas, Green Bay, PittsburghIt's that close
Its basically unchanged for 3-4 weeks now. No one from that group of 5 is dropping out and no one outside of that top 5 is threatening. Jax and Tenn were sort of on the fringe but they got inconsistent the last few weeks.
 
Coaching

1. New England

2. Indy

3. Pittsburgh

4. Dallas

5. Green Bay

Quarterback

Tied for 1- New England and Indy

Tied for 1a- Pittsburgh and Green Bay

Dallas

Running Game

1.Indianapolis

2. Pittsburgh

3. Dallas

4. Green Bay

5. New England

Recievers

1. New England

Tied for 2nd- Dallas and Indy

3. Pittsburgh

4. Green Bay

Overall Offense

1. New England

Tied for 2nd: Dallas, Indy, Pittsburgh

3. Green Bay

Run Defense

1. Pittsburgh

Tied for 2nd: Green Bay, New England, Indy

3rd: Dallas

Pass Defense

1. Green Bay

Tied for 2nd: New England, Indy, Pittsburgh

3rd: Dallas

Overall Defense

Tied for 1st: New England, Pittsburgh, Indy, Green Bay

Dallas

Special Teams:

All I know is, the Steelers are last on this list all by themselves...

 
I don't see how you could list any other five than these:

1. New England

2. Indianapolis

3. Dallas

4. Pittsburgh

5. Green Bay

 
Coaching1. New England2. Indy3. Pittsburgh4. Dallas5. Green BayQuarterbackTied for 1- New England and IndyTied for 1a- Pittsburgh and Green BayDallasRunning Game1.Indianapolis2. Pittsburgh3. Dallas4. Green Bay5. New EnglandRecievers1. New EnglandTied for 2nd- Dallas and Indy3. Pittsburgh4. Green BayOverall Offense1. New EnglandTied for 2nd: Dallas, Indy, Pittsburgh3. Green BayRun Defense1. PittsburghTied for 2nd: Green Bay, New England, Indy3rd: DallasPass Defense1. Green BayTied for 2nd: New England, Indy, Pittsburgh3rd: DallasOverall DefenseTied for 1st: New England, Pittsburgh, Indy, Green BayDallasSpecial Teams:All I know is, the Steelers are last on this list all by themselves...
I think you steeler homerism shows in this post. Not sure why Pittsburgh is number 3 for coaching? Packers have a more experienced head coach who also is leading his team to a better record. At QB Big Ben should be ranked below Romo and Favre. At WR Pitt should be listed below GB, Ward and Holmes = Driver and Jennings, but GB also has James Jones, Ruvell Martin, and Koren Robinson. At overall offense, Pitt isn't in the same class as Indy. One could even make the argument that the cowboys have a better overall offense. Other than that, it was a good well thought out post. Just throwing in my opinion as well.
 
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Coaching1. New England2. Indy3. Pittsburgh4. Dallas5. Green BayQuarterbackTied for 1- New England and IndyTied for 1a- Pittsburgh and Green BayDallasRunning Game1.Indianapolis2. Pittsburgh3. Dallas4. Green Bay5. New EnglandRecievers1. New EnglandTied for 2nd- Dallas and Indy3. Pittsburgh4. Green BayOverall Offense1. New EnglandTied for 2nd: Dallas, Indy, Pittsburgh3. Green BayRun Defense1. PittsburghTied for 2nd: Green Bay, New England, Indy3rd: DallasPass Defense1. Green BayTied for 2nd: New England, Indy, Pittsburgh3rd: DallasOverall DefenseTied for 1st: New England, Pittsburgh, Indy, Green BayDallasSpecial Teams:All I know is, the Steelers are last on this list all by themselves...
I think you steeler homerism shows in this post. Not sure why Pittsburgh is number 3 for coaching? Packers have a more experienced head coach who also is leading his team to a better record. At QB Big Ben should be ranked below Romo and Favre. At WR Pitt should be listed below GB, Ward and Holmes = Driver and Jennings, but GB also has James Jones, Ruvell Martin, and Koren Robinson. At overall offense, Pitt isn't in the same class as Indy. One could even make the argument that the cowboys have a better overall offense. Other than that, it was a good well thought out post. Just throwing in my opinion as well.
I am a Steeler homer. I won't quibble with you about the Coaching or Wr, I don't know enough about Green Bay in these areas to really answer you.I do think that Big Ben is a better QB right now than Romo, and I would take him over Farve too, but that's much closer. As far as overall offense, have you watched the Steelers this year? They are in a league with Indy and Dallas.
 
Coaching1. New England2. Indy3. Pittsburgh4. Dallas5. Green BayQuarterbackTied for 1- New England and IndyTied for 1a- Pittsburgh and Green BayDallasRunning Game1.Indianapolis2. Pittsburgh3. Dallas4. Green Bay5. New EnglandRecievers1. New EnglandTied for 2nd- Dallas and Indy3. Pittsburgh4. Green BayOverall Offense1. New EnglandTied for 2nd: Dallas, Indy, Pittsburgh3. Green BayRun Defense1. PittsburghTied for 2nd: Green Bay, New England, Indy3rd: DallasPass Defense1. Green BayTied for 2nd: New England, Indy, Pittsburgh3rd: DallasOverall DefenseTied for 1st: New England, Pittsburgh, Indy, Green BayDallasSpecial Teams:All I know is, the Steelers are last on this list all by themselves...
I think you steeler homerism shows in this post. Not sure why Pittsburgh is number 3 for coaching? Packers have a more experienced head coach who also is leading his team to a better record. At QB Big Ben should be ranked below Romo and Favre. At WR Pitt should be listed below GB, Ward and Holmes = Driver and Jennings, but GB also has James Jones, Ruvell Martin, and Koren Robinson. At overall offense, Pitt isn't in the same class as Indy. One could even make the argument that the cowboys have a better overall offense. Other than that, it was a good well thought out post. Just throwing in my opinion as well.
I am a Steeler homer. I won't quibble with you about the Coaching or Wr, I don't know enough about Green Bay in these areas to really answer you.I do think that Big Ben is a better QB right now than Romo, and I would take him over Farve too, but that's much closer. As far as overall offense, have you watched the Steelers this year? They are in a league with Indy and Dallas.
Just looked on nfl.com, Colts and Cowboys are both averaging more points per game, more yards per game, and more yards per play than the Steelers. And factor in if the Colts ever get a healthy Marvin Harrison back I still think that the Steelers are not in the same class. Not really looking to argue though, just throwing out my opinion...
 
Coaching1. New England2. Indy3. Pittsburgh4. Dallas5. Green BayQuarterbackTied for 1- New England and IndyTied for 1a- Pittsburgh and Green BayDallasRunning Game1.Indianapolis2. Pittsburgh3. Dallas4. Green Bay5. New EnglandRecievers1. New EnglandTied for 2nd- Dallas and Indy3. Pittsburgh4. Green BayOverall Offense1. New EnglandTied for 2nd: Dallas, Indy, Pittsburgh3. Green BayRun Defense1. PittsburghTied for 2nd: Green Bay, New England, Indy3rd: DallasPass Defense1. Green BayTied for 2nd: New England, Indy, Pittsburgh3rd: DallasOverall DefenseTied for 1st: New England, Pittsburgh, Indy, Green BayDallasSpecial Teams:All I know is, the Steelers are last on this list all by themselves...
I think you steeler homerism shows in this post. Not sure why Pittsburgh is number 3 for coaching? Packers have a more experienced head coach who also is leading his team to a better record. At QB Big Ben should be ranked below Romo and Favre. At WR Pitt should be listed below GB, Ward and Holmes = Driver and Jennings, but GB also has James Jones, Ruvell Martin, and Koren Robinson. At overall offense, Pitt isn't in the same class as Indy. One could even make the argument that the cowboys have a better overall offense. Other than that, it was a good well thought out post. Just throwing in my opinion as well.
I am a Steeler homer. I won't quibble with you about the Coaching or Wr, I don't know enough about Green Bay in these areas to really answer you.I do think that Big Ben is a better QB right now than Romo, and I would take him over Farve too, but that's much closer. As far as overall offense, have you watched the Steelers this year? They are in a league with Indy and Dallas.
No way I'd take Ben over Brett Farve even for just this year. I wouldn't take Ben over Romo either but I can understand an argument made for that since Ben does have a Super Bowl ring.I think there's quite a big difference between New England/Indy and Pittsburgh. They are capable of throwing in a clunker like they did vs. Denver and Arizona.
 
There is no objective criteria to support the conclusion that Roetlisberger is better than Romo.

Romo lost to NE.

Roeth lost to Arizona and Denver.

How do you account for the fact that Pitt lost to these two average teams. How is it clear that Pitt is the third bes team?

 
There is no objective criteria to support the conclusion that Roetlisberger is better than Romo. Romo lost to NE.Roeth lost to Arizona and Denver.How do you account for the fact that Pitt lost to these two average teams. How is it clear that Pitt is the third bes team?
You're asking two different questions. For the record, it is NOT clear to me that Pitt is the third best team; if you read my OP, I have them tied for 3rd with Green Bay and Dallas.As far as Big Ben goes, he was terrific in the loss to Denver. He's really only had one bad game all year, against Arizona. I just don't understand why this guy doesn't get the respect he deserves. He was the main reason Pittsburgh beat Indianapolis and Denver to get to the SB. He's been in 6 playoff games with a 5-1 record. What's Romo's record in the playoffs?
 
There is no objective criteria to support the conclusion that Roetlisberger is better than Romo. Romo lost to NE.Roeth lost to Arizona and Denver.How do you account for the fact that Pitt lost to these two average teams. How is it clear that Pitt is the third bes team?
maybe it's because they came from so far down to beat Cleveland by 3 ! ;)
 
There is no objective criteria to support the conclusion that Roetlisberger is better than Romo. Romo lost to NE.Roeth lost to Arizona and Denver.How do you account for the fact that Pitt lost to these two average teams. How is it clear that Pitt is the third bes team?
You're asking two different questions. For the record, it is NOT clear to me that Pitt is the third best team; if you read my OP, I have them tied for 3rd with Green Bay and Dallas.As far as Big Ben goes, he was terrific in the loss to Denver. He's really only had one bad game all year, against Arizona. I just don't understand why this guy doesn't get the respect he deserves. He was the main reason Pittsburgh beat Indianapolis and Denver to get to the SB. He's been in 6 playoff games with a 5-1 record. What's Romo's record in the playoffs?
I botched snap!I'm looking at this year. Big Ben's play in the Superbowl run was awesome. Last year, brutal...but again, I'm just tlaking about this year.I like Big Ben. I don't think he is better than Romo, is all, and the numbers back it up. It is real close though.
 
1) Patriots

2) Colts

3) Cowboys

4) Steelers

5) Packers

6) Giants

7) Chargers

8) Jaguars

9) Browns

10) Saints

11) Lions

12) Redskins

13) Titans

14) Bucs

15) Eagles

16) Seahawks

17) Texans

18) Bills

19) Chiefs

20) Bengals

21) Broncos

22) Ravens

23) Bears

24) Rams

25) Vikings

26) Cardinals

27) 49ers

28) Jets

29) Panthers

30) Falcons

31) Raiders

32) Notre Dame

33) Miami Dolphins

 
how Tony Romo isnt mentioned in the conversation with the best QB's in the league is laughable to me. What else does the guy need to do? I'd only take Brady and Manning over him at this point and really I dont think it's close for 3rd place. I like Big Ben, but I think Romo is better. Love Favre too, but right now I'd rather have Tony I think. Maybe its a little closer than I alluded to, but I think Romo is behind the big 2 only right now.

 
Coaching1. New England2. Indy3. Pittsburgh4. Dallas5. Green BayQuarterbackTied for 1- New England and IndyTied for 1a- Pittsburgh and Green BayDallasRunning Game1.Indianapolis2. Pittsburgh3. Dallas4. Green Bay5. New EnglandRecievers1. New EnglandTied for 2nd- Dallas and Indy3. Pittsburgh4. Green BayOverall Offense1. New EnglandTied for 2nd: Dallas, Indy, Pittsburgh3. Green BayRun Defense1. PittsburghTied for 2nd: Green Bay, New England, Indy3rd: DallasPass Defense1. Green BayTied for 2nd: New England, Indy, Pittsburgh3rd: DallasOverall DefenseTied for 1st: New England, Pittsburgh, Indy, Green BayDallasSpecial Teams:All I know is, the Steelers are last on this list all by themselves...
I think you steeler homerism shows in this post. Not sure why Pittsburgh is number 3 for coaching? Packers have a more experienced head coach who also is leading his team to a better record. At QB Big Ben should be ranked below Romo and Favre. At WR Pitt should be listed below GB, Ward and Holmes = Driver and Jennings, but GB also has James Jones, Ruvell Martin, and Koren Robinson. At overall offense, Pitt isn't in the same class as Indy. One could even make the argument that the cowboys have a better overall offense. Other than that, it was a good well thought out post. Just throwing in my opinion as well.
I am a Steeler homer. I won't quibble with you about the Coaching or Wr, I don't know enough about Green Bay in these areas to really answer you.I do think that Big Ben is a better QB right now than Romo, and I would take him over Farve too, but that's much closer. As far as overall offense, have you watched the Steelers this year? They are in a league with Indy and Dallas.
Maybe the two coaches Ari got from the Steelers had a little to do with them beathing them? Just maybe? :rolleyes:
 
There is no objective criteria to support the conclusion that Roetlisberger is better than Romo. Romo lost to NE.Roeth lost to Arizona and Denver.How do you account for the fact that Pitt lost to these two average teams. How is it clear that Pitt is the third bes team?
How about QB rating?The numbers for Farve, Romo and Ben93.3100.4111.9All very good, but guess which one is Ben?
 
I sure hope Dallas overlooks Green Bay like most in here do. Brett is playing like he did back in the MVP seasons. Grant just tore up the 2nd ranked run defense. They are deep and very good at wideout with Driver, Jennings, Robinson, Jones, and Martin. Their offensive line excels at pass blocking.

Their defensive front seven as in the top 5 in the league and is deep along the line.

They boast two very good bump corners.

They have a big legged kicker with cold weather experience.

They have a very strong legged punter and good coverage team.

The only thing they really lack is an explosive return game. I am wondering how long until Koren earns that job.

I am having trouble finding a weakness after today's rout of the Vikings vaunted defense.

 
I sure hope Dallas overlooks Green Bay like most in here do. Brett is playing like he did back in the MVP seasons. Grant just tore up the 2nd ranked run defense. They are deep and very good at wideout with Driver, Jennings, Robinson, Jones, and Martin. Their offensive line excels at pass blocking.Their defensive front seven as in the top 5 in the league and is deep along the line.They boast two very good bump corners. They have a big legged kicker with cold weather experience.They have a very strong legged punter and good coverage team.The only thing they really lack is an explosive return game. I am wondering how long until Koren earns that job.I am having trouble finding a weakness after today's rout of the Vikings vaunted defense.
You forgot to mention the play of their QB.Plus, they went into Denver and got a huge win. What happened when Pittsburgh played there?Yet Pittsburgh is the better team! :bag:
 
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I sure hope Dallas overlooks Green Bay like most in here do. Brett is playing like he did back in the MVP seasons. Grant just tore up the 2nd ranked run defense. They are deep and very good at wideout with Driver, Jennings, Robinson, Jones, and Martin. Their offensive line excels at pass blocking.Their defensive front seven as in the top 5 in the league and is deep along the line.They boast two very good bump corners. They have a big legged kicker with cold weather experience.They have a very strong legged punter and good coverage team.The only thing they really lack is an explosive return game. I am wondering how long until Koren earns that job.I am having trouble finding a weakness after today's rout of the Vikings vaunted defense.
3rd TE? Anyone notice that Collins didnt play today? I suppose against Brooks this week and next week versus Testeverde are the two best matchups to be missing your starting safety.
 
I sure hope Dallas overlooks Green Bay like most in here do. Brett is playing like he did back in the MVP seasons. Grant just tore up the 2nd ranked run defense. They are deep and very good at wideout with Driver, Jennings, Robinson, Jones, and Martin. Their offensive line excels at pass blocking.Their defensive front seven as in the top 5 in the league and is deep along the line.They boast two very good bump corners. They have a big legged kicker with cold weather experience.They have a very strong legged punter and good coverage team.The only thing they really lack is an explosive return game. I am wondering how long until Koren earns that job.I am having trouble finding a weakness after today's rout of the Vikings vaunted defense.
"Overlooked" as in "every single person posting in this thread has said they're one of the five best teams in the NFL?" That's a strange definition.
 
I sure hope Dallas overlooks Green Bay like most in here do. Brett is playing like he did back in the MVP seasons. Grant just tore up the 2nd ranked run defense. They are deep and very good at wideout with Driver, Jennings, Robinson, Jones, and Martin. Their offensive line excels at pass blocking.Their defensive front seven as in the top 5 in the league and is deep along the line.They boast two very good bump corners. They have a big legged kicker with cold weather experience.They have a very strong legged punter and good coverage team.The only thing they really lack is an explosive return game. I am wondering how long until Koren earns that job.I am having trouble finding a weakness after today's rout of the Vikings vaunted defense.
You forgot to mention the play of their QB.Plus, they went into Denver and got a huge win. What happened when Pittsburgh played there?Yet Pittsburgh is the better team! :rolleyes:
chicago beat green bay, so i guess your logic would make the bears better than both green bay and the steelers
 
I'm going to tell you guys a secret. Green Bay and Dallas will not meet in the NFC championship game.

Seattle has been struggling up to now, but once fully healthy they will knock off someone they are not supposed to knock off before going down in the NFC championship game.

 
I'm going to tell you guys a secret. Green Bay and Dallas will not meet in the NFC championship game.Seattle has been struggling up to now, but once fully healthy they will knock off someone they are not supposed to knock off before going down in the NFC championship game.
Can I get your email and we can set up a wager on this?
 
I'm going to tell you guys a secret. Green Bay and Dallas will not meet in the NFC championship game.

Seattle has been struggling up to now, but once fully healthy they will knock off someone they are not supposed to knock off before going down in the NFC championship game.
Can I get your email and we can set up a wager on this?
No, but if you'd like to look at a little history to see what a mediocre midseason team can do, look here:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit2005.htm

Those Steelers were 6-6 at one point.

 
Pats

Steelers

Cowboys

Colts

GB

What is interesting is if this Pats team ends up running the table... they will have beaten arguably the top 3 teams outside of themselves.... no easy road.

 
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I'm very impressed with how the Steelers defense shut down the Browns offense (when you take away the work of Josh Cribbs in the return game). We learned a lot about the Steelers defense today.

1 Patriots

2 Steelers

3 Cowboys

4 Packers

5 Colts

 
1. Patriots

2. Colts

3a. Steelers

3b. Cowboys

3c. Packers

I still think the Colts are on the same tier as the Pats, if just behind them. The rest of the league doesn't quite have enough on either the offensive ( steelers ) or defensive ( 'boys, Pack ) to hang with the top 2.

 
1. NE by a mile2. Colts3. Dallas4. SD5. Pitt6. GB
How do you justify San Diego at #4?
cuz they just beat #2?
I think the better question is why does almost everyone in this thread just blindly follow won-lost record in deciding who the best teams are? It's as if people don't understand how much randomness exists in 9 games, or strength of schedule, or how a win can be turned into a loss based on one fluke play. An 8-1 team can be 6-3 so easily, and a 5-4 team can be 7-2 just as easily. Then someone calls you out, asking you to justify why you are NOT falling in line with won-lost record as your sole determinant. Not much outside the box thinking around here I'm afraid.
 
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Regardless of how everyone ranks them, right now the Steelers are #2 in the AFC and own a bye and home field in their first playoff game. Not to mention a pretty easy schedule the rest of the way.

 
Regardless of how everyone ranks them, right now the Steelers are #2 in the AFC and own a bye and home field in their first playoff game. Not to mention a pretty easy schedule the rest of the way.
I didn't realize the season ended today.
 
Not including the MNF game, here are the Week 10 rankings in % of points scored per game (that means Points For divided by (Points For + Points Against).

NE 70.7

PIT 66.8

IND 64.0

GBP 61.6

DAL 60.3

SEA 54.2

TEN 53.9

NYG 53.7

SDC 53.4

TBB 53.2

JAX 52.7

PHI 51.2

DET 50.6

CLE 49.1

ARI 49.1

WAS 47.8

NOS 47.5

HOU 47.3

MIN 46.9

CIN 46.6

CHI 46.3

BUF 46.2

CAR 45.3

OAK 44.9

KCC 43.8

BAL 43.7

ATL 42.6

NYJ 41.1

MIA 40.6

DEN 39.1

SFO 35.9

STL 35.4

 
Regardless of how everyone ranks them, right now the Steelers are #2 in the AFC and own a bye and home field in their first playoff game. Not to mention a pretty easy schedule the rest of the way.
:blackdot: Outside of the game at New England the Steelers have a very favorable schedule the rest of the way. It would be huge to sneak in for the #2 seed and a bye.
 

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