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[Bob Magaw]

QB - i'll go with NE... not sure if there is another team with a great QB1 almost as good as brady that also has an outstanding QB2, such that i would move them over NE overall...

RB - MIN, with AD & taylor... JAX is very good with fred taylor & MJD...

WR - would have said IND, as recently as this time last year (i am asking this question in the present sense, & not in dynasty terms, for the future), but harrison missed a lot of time with a knee injury, even before a recent potential leagal entanglement (which i don't think would lead to a case in 2008, anyways)... i may be overlooking some teams, but i like ARI best... CIN has housh & johnson, but ocho psycho could be a distraction (& they don't have henry, who had multi-million $ talent & a 10 cent head)... DET is pretty good with calvin johnson & roy williams (depending on how high you are on CJ... i am very high)...

TE - this might be another case where i like team with best #1, as not sure if any teams have that great of a TE2 that i would move them ahead overall of the team i liked best with the top TE1? i think CHI has good depth with talented, up 'n coming olsen & desmond clark... i actually like witten over gates (injury questions?) & t-gon (aging, bad OL, shaky QB), so i'll say DAL...

K - i'm skipping, & instantly ejected myself from mike herman's x-mas card queue...

DE - even with strahan retiring today, still gotta like NYG with umenyiora & tuck (kiwanuka could be moved back from SLB?)... this might be very close with IND, who has freeney (coming off lis franc injury?) & mathis... i like NO with smith & grant... rams could be good, but little might be retiring before long becomes more dominant, so he will need to make an instant impact... if jared allen or mario williams develope a good bookend, MIN &/or HOU would rocket up...

DT - MIN (duh! )

LB - i'd go with SEA, tatupu & peterson are pro bowlers & hill is very good... CHI has urlacher & briggs, but urlacher may be breaking down, & they don't have anybody special after those two... BAL has lewis & scott, but scott didn't do much last year... GB has barnett, hawk & now probably chillar... TB has brooks, ruud & june (miscast as SLB), but brooks is not as dominant as he was in his prime... i think KC is pretty good with edwards, DJ & de-mo... BUF has poluzsny, crowell & mitchell...

S - IND... sanders & bethea are pro bowlers... BAL is pretty good with reed & landry...

CB - i might take SD with upside of cromartie, jammer & rookie cason... though DAL has, even if henry goes to S, newman, jenkins & pacman... OAK has asomugha & hall... DEN has bailey but i'm not that high on bly... GB very good with woodson & harris... PHI has samuel, brown & sheppard... CAR has marshall, gamble & lucas...

 

[FUBAR]

Certainly can't argue against your choices, but to throw some teams out there...

QB - Pittsburgh. Ben is among the best, Batch could start for some teams

RB - Washington. Portis and Betts is a decent duo. The Giants are deep if not exceptional

WR - You list quite a few, but consider New England - Moss and Welker are fantastic.

TE - NY Giants. Shockey is among the better receiving TEs, Boss did well. The Cleveland duo has potential.

DL - Easily Minnesota, but the Giants do well

LB - I like Green Bay and Chicago, Carolina looks strong

DBs - I like Minnesota here too.

Most interesting combination of positions: DL and DBs in Minnesota, it will be interesting to see how they work together.

 

[Bob Magaw]

NE was oversight on WRs... they probably have to be #1... thanx for the catch...

* edit/add - WAS very good RBs, but to me MIN RBs one of the easiest calls of all the position groups (though JAX very good, too)...

 

[1970's Oakland Raiders Secondary]

Oakland has the best DB's and it aint even close.

CB - Nnamdi Asomugha, Deangelo Hall, Stanford Routt

S - Gibril Wilson, Michael Huff

It's a friggen blanket out there in Oaktown.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Oakland has the best DB's and it aint even close.CB - Nnamdi Asomugha, Deangelo Hall, Stanford RouttS - Gibril Wilson, Michael HuffIt's a friggen blanket out there in Oaktown.

my only reservations about OAK being #1, & i agree that they are very good & some/many would put them where you do...hall is good, but not sure he is great & think he may be overrated... & huff hasn't done that much on the field yet to justify his lofty draft position... i broke the DBs into S & CB... i listed them among top CB groups, but i wouldn't take wilson & huff over sanders & bethea...

 

[No. 16]

Oakland has the best DB's and it aint even close.CB - Nnamdi Asomugha, Deangelo Hall, Stanford RouttS - Gibril Wilson, Michael HuffIt's a friggen blanket out there in Oaktown.

my only reservations about OAK being #1, & i agree that they are very good & some/many would put them where you do...hall is good, but not sure he is great & think he may be overrated... & huff hasn't done that much on the field yet to justify his lofty draft position... i broke the DBs into S & CB... i listed them among top CB groups, but i wouldn't take wilson & huff over sanders & bethea...

I think Huff will be a major playmaker this year as a FS and with Wilson at SS.

 

[sho nuff]

Certainly can't argue against your choices, but to throw some teams out there...QB - Pittsburgh. Ben is among the best, Batch could start for some teamsRB - Washington. Portis and Betts is a decent duo. The Giants are deep if not exceptionalWR - You list quite a few, but consider New England - Moss and Welker are fantastic. TE - NY Giants. Shockey is among the better receiving TEs, Boss did well. The Cleveland duo has potential.DL - Easily Minnesota, but the Giants do wellLB - I like Green Bay and Chicago, Carolina looks strongDBs - I like Minnesota here too. Most interesting combination of positions: DL and DBs in Minnesota, it will be interesting to see how they work together.

You like Minny's DBs? Im sorry.

 

[FUBAR]

Certainly can't argue against your choices, but to throw some teams out there...QB - Pittsburgh. Ben is among the best, Batch could start for some teamsRB - Washington. Portis and Betts is a decent duo. The Giants are deep if not exceptionalWR - You list quite a few, but consider New England - Moss and Welker are fantastic. TE - NY Giants. Shockey is among the better receiving TEs, Boss did well. The Cleveland duo has potential.DL - Easily Minnesota, but the Giants do wellLB - I like Green Bay and Chicago, Carolina looks strongDBs - I like Minnesota here too. Most interesting combination of positions: DL and DBs in Minnesota, it will be interesting to see how they work together.

You like Minny's DBs? Im sorry.

I was looking at this more from a FF perspective, but are you saying you really don't like Griffin, Winfield and Madieu Williams?

 

[sho nuff]

Certainly can't argue against your choices, but to throw some teams out there...QB - Pittsburgh. Ben is among the best, Batch could start for some teamsRB - Washington. Portis and Betts is a decent duo. The Giants are deep if not exceptionalWR - You list quite a few, but consider New England - Moss and Welker are fantastic. TE - NY Giants. Shockey is among the better receiving TEs, Boss did well. The Cleveland duo has potential.DL - Easily Minnesota, but the Giants do wellLB - I like Green Bay and Chicago, Carolina looks strongDBs - I like Minnesota here too. Most interesting combination of positions: DL and DBs in Minnesota, it will be interesting to see how they work together.

You like Minny's DBs? Im sorry.

I was looking at this more from a FF perspective, but are you saying you really don't like Griffin, Winfield and Madieu Williams?

Yes...Im saying I really don't like a group (other than Williams who has not been there) that continues to get torched.FF not bad because you don't lose points for yards given up and only get the points based on the chances they take that turn out well. (Sharper is the king of having a few great plays, but getting toasted just as often if not more often).I liked the Williams signing though. Adding Allen should help them some. But they will be tested quite often when teams cannot run the ball.For FF that is gold because they have more chances for INTs and such.

 

[sho nuff]

WRs...no GB? while I am a homer...that is a pretty solid group of WRs. Perhaps Rodgers being in there will bring them down a bit...but those guys are dangerous after the catch.

 

[JMon348]

WRs...no GB? while I am a homer...that is a pretty solid group of WRs. Perhaps Rodgers being in there will bring them down a bit...but those guys are dangerous after the catch.

for real??????You have 3 posts in this thread

2 negative about minny

1 positive about gb

 

[sho nuff]

WRs...no GB? while I am a homer...that is a pretty solid group of WRs. Perhaps Rodgers being in there will bring them down a bit...but those guys are dangerous after the catch.

for real??????You have 3 posts in this thread

2 negative about minny

1 positive about gb

Care to disagree with either of them?I thought both were quite honest despite my team bias.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Certainly can't argue against your choices, but to throw some teams out there...QB - Pittsburgh. Ben is among the best, Batch could start for some teamsRB - Washington. Portis and Betts is a decent duo. The Giants are deep if not exceptionalWR - You list quite a few, but consider New England - Moss and Welker are fantastic. TE - NY Giants. Shockey is among the better receiving TEs, Boss did well. The Cleveland duo has potential.DL - Easily Minnesota, but the Giants do wellLB - I like Green Bay and Chicago, Carolina looks strongDBs - I like Minnesota here too. Most interesting combination of positions: DL and DBs in Minnesota, it will be interesting to see how they work together.

You like Minny's DBs? Im sorry.

I was looking at this more from a FF perspective, but are you saying you really don't like Griffin, Winfield and Madieu Williams?

Yes...Im saying I really don't like a group (other than Williams who has not been there) that continues to get torched.FF not bad because you don't lose points for yards given up and only get the points based on the chances they take that turn out well. (Sharper is the king of having a few great plays, but getting toasted just as often if not more often).I liked the Williams signing though. Adding Allen should help them some. But they will be tested quite often when teams cannot run the ball.For FF that is gold because they have more chances for INTs and such.

just for the record, i wasn't thinking in terms of fantasy (confusing since i mentioned not dynasty but now)... my rankings were intended to be straight football rankings, not necessarily fantasy... of course there tends to be some overlap & fantasy implications... NE & MIN have the best or among the best QB, RB & WR in actual football (if it were last year, SD would have been near the top with LT & the burner), & it turns out they were pretty good fantasy scorers last season... on defense it isn't this way necessarily... ie - sometimes the better CB you are, the less they throw in your direction, etc...MIN has had poor pass defense numbers for a few years i think, but that has to be taken into context... they have also been virtually impenatrable against the run, forcing opponents to throw & therefore inflating the passing numbers relative to teams that can't stop the run... why pass when you can run, which will will comparitively show some teams with lower pass defense yards against numbers...i wouldn't put them at the top, but i do think they will be better... i like antoine winfield a lot, he is one of my favorite CBs in the NFL (pound-for-pound toughest tackler in the NFL), admittedly more for his work in run support, but he has improved against the pass, cedric griffin is a good CB for the cover two, sharper used to be a pro bowler but isn't the same player he was even a few years ago... i haven't seen madeiu williams enough to definitively say he is a big upgrade over outgoing safety that came from TB & went to DET (dwight smith?)... he probably has better coverage ability & ball skills, but he was hurt at times... tyrell johnson was imo the top safety prospect in the class of '08, & i think he has star potential, but of course he isn't likely to start this season, & could take a year or so to get up to speed... he also has some level of competition concerns, but he acquited himself well against top competition, & looks like the real deal...* edit/add - my thought process in omitting GB WRs (i did think of them) was not really considering them for top spot... in some cases if i mentioned multiple teams it was reflecting maybe one team wasn't dominant, & a few team merited consideration (LB tough to parse rankings, imo)... GB is deep and VERY strong... but, as good as driver, jennings, jones & rookie jordy nelson are (they arguably could be best team four deep), i don't like starters as much as some other teams to jump them to the top OVERALL... i'd rather have boldin, fitz & doucet, housh, ocho psycho & simpson/caldwell OR moss, welker & soupy sales... a healthy, legally unemcumbered harrison, wayne & gonzalez maybe the best, but harrison's status is still murky in my mind... harrison usually works out on his own i think during OTAs, so until we see him run (& how well), he remains a question mark... the knee injury blew up last season, & if complications linger, all bets are off on his projection... he is in his mid-30s, & nearly all WRs even without knee injuries are generally slowing down appreciably at that point (galloway the exception that proves the rule, & perhaps harrison can also be an exception... he was still playing fast & at the highest level as recently as last season before the injury)... after rethinking, i should have at least mentioned GB... so there you have it, you impacted my thinking... thanx...

 

[ScottyFargo]

Certainly can't argue against your choices, but to throw some teams out there...QB - Pittsburgh. Ben is among the best, Batch could start for some teamsRB - Washington. Portis and Betts is a decent duo. The Giants are deep if not exceptionalWR - You list quite a few, but consider New England - Moss and Welker are fantastic. TE - NY Giants. Shockey is among the better receiving TEs, Boss did well. The Cleveland duo has potential.DL - Easily Minnesota, but the Giants do wellLB - I like Green Bay and Chicago, Carolina looks strongDBs - I like Minnesota here too. Most interesting combination of positions: DL and DBs in Minnesota, it will be interesting to see how they work together.

You like Minny's DBs? Im sorry.

I was looking at this more from a FF perspective, but are you saying you really don't like Griffin, Winfield and Madieu Williams?

Yes...Im saying I really don't like a group (other than Williams who has not been there) that continues to get torched.FF not bad because you don't lose points for yards given up and only get the points based on the chances they take that turn out well. (Sharper is the king of having a few great plays, but getting toasted just as often if not more often).I liked the Williams signing though. Adding Allen should help them some. But they will be tested quite often when teams cannot run the ball.For FF that is gold because they have more chances for INTs and such.

just for the record, i wasn't thinking in terms of fantasy (confusing since i mentioned not dynasty but now)... my rankings were intended to be straight football rankings, not necessarily fantasy... of course there tends to be some overlap & fantasy implications... NE & MIN have the best or among the best QB, RB & WR in actual football (if it were last year, SD would have been near the top with LT & the burner), & it turns out they were pretty good fantasy scorers last season... on defense it isn't this way necessarily... ie - sometimes the better CB you are, the less they throw in your direction, etc...MIN has had poor pass defense numbers for a few years i think, but that has to be taken into context... they have also been virtually impenatrable against the run, forcing opponents to throw & therefore inflating the passing numbers relative to teams that can't stop the run... why pass when you can run, which will will comparitively show some teams with lower pass defense yards against numbers...i wouldn't put them at the top, but i do think they will be better... i like antoine winfield a lot, he is one of my favorite CBs in the NFL (pound-for-pound toughest tackler in the NFL), admittedly more for his work in run support, but he has improved against the pass, cedric griffin is a good CB for the cover two, sharper used to be a pro bowler but isn't the same player he was even a few years ago... i haven't seen madeiu williams enough to definitively say he is a big upgrade over outgoing safety that came from TB & went to DET (dwight smith?)... he probably has better coverage ability & ball skills, but he was hurt at times... tyrell johnson was imo the top safety prospect in the class of '08, & i think he has star potential, but of course he isn't likely to start this season, & could take a year or so to get up to speed... he also has some level of competition concerns, but he acquited himself well against top competition, & looks like the real deal...

Sharper, Williams, Johnson, and Boulware make for a very deep safety unit. Winfield was out a bit due to injury last year. This is a defense that will look much improved upon from last year, much more so with the addition of a consistent pass rusher. Tyrelle Johnson isn't likely to start but there are reports that they are going to work him into specific package situations so I think he'll still prove to be impactful this year.

 

[Godsbrother]

I certainly wouldn't list them as #1 but the Steelers WRs look pretty solid this season: Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Nate Washington & Limas Sweed. Throw in TE Heath Miller and this could be a very good group.

Assuming of course the o-line can give Ben time to throw...

 

[JMon348]

WRs...no GB? while I am a homer...that is a pretty solid group of WRs. Perhaps Rodgers being in there will bring them down a bit...but those guys are dangerous after the catch.

for real??????You have 3 posts in this thread

2 negative about minny

1 positive about gb

Care to disagree with either of them?I thought both were quite honest despite my team bias.

GB doesnt have the best WRs in the leagueMIN has the best DLine in the league

I dont think our DBs are the best in the NFL, but you made it seemed like they all suck. Williams and Allen will help the DBs alot, i think they are top 7 or 8.

 

[sho nuff]

WRs...no GB? while I am a homer...that is a pretty solid group of WRs. Perhaps Rodgers being in there will bring them down a bit...but those guys are dangerous after the catch.

for real??????You have 3 posts in this thread

2 negative about minny

1 positive about gb

Care to disagree with either of them?I thought both were quite honest despite my team bias.

GB doesnt have the best WRs in the leagueMIN has the best DLine in the league

I dont think our DBs are the best in the NFL, but you made it seemed like they all suck. Williams and Allen will help the DBs alot, i think they are top 7 or 8.

He was mentioning who could be discussed...not just one specific best team. Id say GB should be in the discussion based on what they have proven on the field...if you want to get on someone...talk to the guy who posted Detroit with a done nothing in Calvin and a yearly underachiever in Roy.I never said anything bad about the Minny Dline. They are the top DTs for sure...Allen may put them in the top Dline overall...that much remains to be seen at this point. Id give that title to NY for now as the best all around Dline.

I liked the addition of Williams at safety. I think Sharper takes too many chances and gets burnt too much...and the corners do absolutely nothing for me.

 

[Bob Magaw]

talk to the guy who posted Detroit with a done nothing in Calvin and a yearly underachiever in Roy.

that would be me (cut me some slack here, i gave you props a few posts upthread )...other than the teams already mentioned (& PIT was a big oversight on my part, & was a great catch, as i like ward, holmes & sweed a lot, & big ben broke out as a passer last season, despite the hindrance of a crumbling, disintegrating OL around him, a great indication of & testament to his growth as a passer), there CAN'T be that many teams that have two WRs as good as calvin johnson & williams...on the downside, i appreciate where i think you are coming from... williams may seem like an underachiever & johnson is by just about any measure unproven at the next level (though in college he dominated as few have)...on the plus, while williams arguably should have done more given his prodigious athleticism, he is stil REALLY, REALLY good, & at this point he may be the WR2... while johnson didn't live up to expectations, rookie WRs rarely do... he did have injuries & some drops... IF he is injured again in '08 i'll be severely disappointed & may drastically reappraise my grade/projection on him accordingly... but until then, i'm treating him the same as i did this time last year... one of the most physically gifted & talented WRs prospects to ever hit the NFL, & that counts for a lot in my book...i admittedly have been known to overrate the ability & potential of younger players in the past at the expense of more proven vets & known commodities... but i'm sure i'm not alone in being high on johnson's potential & projection... BTW, i don't think they are anywhere close to NE, IND (if harrison is right), ARI, CIN as a duo, but after that, imo, there aren't a lot of teams with a more talented tandem... if somebody does these rankings strictly on proven production & where potential is not weighed as much relatively, DET is going to suffer in the comparison...

 

[chris1969]

I certainly wouldn't list them as #1 but the Steelers WRs look pretty solid this season: Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Nate Washington & Limas Sweed. Throw in TE Heath Miller and this could be a very good group. Assuming of course the o-line can give Ben time to throw...

I'm a Browns fan so I have to , but I think Washington is the odd man out unless Holmes takes a major step back. If the rumors are true and Ward is not what he used to be then Sweed will be the #1 and Ward will be one of the best #3's in football, if not, Sweed will be one of the best #3's in football. It doesn't matter who goes where, just that they succeed if Ben has a couple of seconds to throw the football.

 

[chris1969]

BTW this thread is useless unless you consider the most important unit! The offensive line!

 

[Bri]

I don't think the Steelers have the best QB and yet I'm a big fan of Ben.

I could understand the Pats or Colts but like Bob said, gotta wonder about the backups.

Is Brad Johnson backing Romo up? I like the idea of having a backup with Supe experience but I sure wish Romo won big games.

QB seems hard to nail down

GreenBay WRs are a special group I think we'll look back on fondly. I'm not sure they are now. It's hard to talk of them now and not use the word potential which is about the future.

(I'm understanding TEs to be part of WRs group)Cleveland may be the underdog in that group.

I agree about Arizona. While I generally dislike the phrase, if you get to see Warner "hot" and Boldin and Fitz clicking, they "put on a clinic". Hit with the pass in stride, after a perfectly run route, was a DB even there? It happens fairly quickly but it's pretty great.

I like the Cowboys LBers and their excellent depth

DL(not DE vs DT) I like the Pats and Giants. I think the Pats should be in one of those groups Bob. The Williams are brick walls to get thru though

 

[Bri]

BTW this thread is useless unless you consider the most important unit! The offensive line!

I like the Redskins if they can all stay healthyI love the grit of the Bills line but wouldn't put them in best of

 

[BigSteelThrill]

BTW this thread is useless unless you consider the most important unit! The offensive line!

Second most. QB remains top dog.

 

[Godsbrother]

I don't think the Steelers have the best QB and yet I'm a big fan of Ben.

:IBTL: I love Big Ben and think he is among the best QBs in the league but Brady and Manning are on another plane.

 

[JMon348]

WRs...no GB? while I am a homer...that is a pretty solid group of WRs. Perhaps Rodgers being in there will bring them down a bit...but those guys are dangerous after the catch.

for real??????You have 3 posts in this thread

2 negative about minny

1 positive about gb

Care to disagree with either of them?I thought both were quite honest despite my team bias.

GB doesnt have the best WRs in the leagueMIN has the best DLine in the league

I dont think our DBs are the best in the NFL, but you made it seemed like they all suck. Williams and Allen will help the DBs alot, i think they are top 7 or 8.

He was mentioning who could be discussed...not just one specific best team. Id say GB should be in the discussion based on what they have proven on the field...if you want to get on someone...talk to the guy who posted Detroit with a done nothing in Calvin and a yearly underachiever in Roy.I never said anything bad about the Minny Dline. They are the top DTs for sure...Allen may put them in the top Dline overall...that much remains to be seen at this point. Id give that title to NY for now as the best all around Dline.

I liked the addition of Williams at safety. I think Sharper takes too many chances and gets burnt too much...and the corners do absolutely nothing for me.

Remember Antoine Winfield was injured last year. He's still a top 6-7 corner in this league.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'd put Green Bay's entire WR corps up against anybody's.

Donald Driver

Greg Jennings

James Jones

Jordy Nelson

Ruvell Martin

I think Jennings is special. Going into his third season I think if he can stay healthy, he gets about 75 for 1200 yards and lots of TDs.

Jordy Nelson is the highest that Ted Thompson has ever picked a wideout. I think he has the potential to be a talent much like Brandon Marshall or Anquan Boldin.

James Jones shows a lot of courage and ability. He is one of the best I've ever seen at the quick slant into traffic. He reminds me a lot of Sterling Sharpe. Not that he is on that level, but a similar style.

Ruvell is nothing to write home about.

 

[Sabertooth]

WRs...no GB? while I am a homer...that is a pretty solid group of WRs. Perhaps Rodgers being in there will bring them down a bit...but those guys are dangerous after the catch.

for real??????You have 3 posts in this thread

2 negative about minny

1 positive about gb

Care to disagree with either of them?I thought both were quite honest despite my team bias.

GB doesnt have the best WRs in the leagueMIN has the best DLine in the league

I dont think our DBs are the best in the NFL, but you made it seemed like they all suck. Williams and Allen will help the DBs alot, i think they are top 7 or 8.

He was mentioning who could be discussed...not just one specific best team. Id say GB should be in the discussion based on what they have proven on the field...if you want to get on someone...talk to the guy who posted Detroit with a done nothing in Calvin and a yearly underachiever in Roy.I never said anything bad about the Minny Dline. They are the top DTs for sure...Allen may put them in the top Dline overall...that much remains to be seen at this point. Id give that title to NY for now as the best all around Dline.

I liked the addition of Williams at safety. I think Sharper takes too many chances and gets burnt too much...and the corners do absolutely nothing for me.

Remember Antoine Winfield was injured last year. He's still a top 6-7 corner in this league.

He's a top 5-7 corner. :rimshot:

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

QB - Pats

RB - I like Pitt and Minny

WR - Arz

TE - Chicago

OL - Cleveland

DL - Minny,NYG

LB - Dallas or Seattle

CB - SD hands down

S - Indy

secondary as a whole I like Indy a little over SD

 

[FUBAR]

I don't think the Steelers have the best QB and yet I'm a big fan of Ben.

I love Big Ben and think he is among the best QBs in the league but Brady and Manning are on another plane.

I don't disagree, but the question was positional groups. There's little doubt in my mind that Batch > Sorgi or Cassel, at least right now. Cassel has potential, but Batch would be an immediate, short term, improvement as starter for 5-8 teams, I don't know if Cassel would be. I'll have NE #1, IND #2, and Pittsburgh is #3. Dallas probably #4, then there's a fall off IMO.

 

[FUBAR]

WRs...no GB? while I am a homer...that is a pretty solid group of WRs. Perhaps Rodgers being in there will bring them down a bit...but those guys are dangerous after the catch.

for real??????You have 3 posts in this thread

2 negative about minny

1 positive about gb

Care to disagree with either of them?I thought both were quite honest despite my team bias.

GB doesnt have the best WRs in the leagueMIN has the best DLine in the league

I dont think our DBs are the best in the NFL, but you made it seemed like they all suck. Williams and Allen will help the DBs alot, i think they are top 7 or 8.

He was mentioning who could be discussed...not just one specific best team. Id say GB should be in the discussion based on what they have proven on the field...if you want to get on someone...talk to the guy who posted Detroit with a done nothing in Calvin and a yearly underachiever in Roy.I never said anything bad about the Minny Dline. They are the top DTs for sure...Allen may put them in the top Dline overall...that much remains to be seen at this point. Id give that title to NY for now as the best all around Dline.

I liked the addition of Williams at safety. I think Sharper takes too many chances and gets burnt too much...and the corners do absolutely nothing for me.

Remember Antoine Winfield was injured last year. He's still a top 6-7 corner in this league.

He's a top 5-7 corner. :rimshot:

he's 5-9

 

[sho nuff]

WRs...no GB? while I am a homer...that is a pretty solid group of WRs. Perhaps Rodgers being in there will bring them down a bit...but those guys are dangerous after the catch.

for real??????You have 3 posts in this thread

2 negative about minny

1 positive about gb

Care to disagree with either of them?I thought both were quite honest despite my team bias.

GB doesnt have the best WRs in the leagueMIN has the best DLine in the league

I dont think our DBs are the best in the NFL, but you made it seemed like they all suck. Williams and Allen will help the DBs alot, i think they are top 7 or 8.

He was mentioning who could be discussed...not just one specific best team. Id say GB should be in the discussion based on what they have proven on the field...if you want to get on someone...talk to the guy who posted Detroit with a done nothing in Calvin and a yearly underachiever in Roy.I never said anything bad about the Minny Dline. They are the top DTs for sure...Allen may put them in the top Dline overall...that much remains to be seen at this point. Id give that title to NY for now as the best all around Dline.

I liked the addition of Williams at safety. I think Sharper takes too many chances and gets burnt too much...and the corners do absolutely nothing for me.

Remember Antoine Winfield was injured last year. He's still a top 6-7 corner in this league.

Was he also injurred in 2006...or 2005...or 2004 when Minny finished near the bottom nearly every year in pass defense...one year creeped up toward the league average....

 

[JMon348]

WRs...no GB? while I am a homer...that is a pretty solid group of WRs. Perhaps Rodgers being in there will bring them down a bit...but those guys are dangerous after the catch.

for real??????You have 3 posts in this thread

2 negative about minny

1 positive about gb

Care to disagree with either of them?I thought both were quite honest despite my team bias.

GB doesnt have the best WRs in the leagueMIN has the best DLine in the league

I dont think our DBs are the best in the NFL, but you made it seemed like they all suck. Williams and Allen will help the DBs alot, i think they are top 7 or 8.

He was mentioning who could be discussed...not just one specific best team. Id say GB should be in the discussion based on what they have proven on the field...if you want to get on someone...talk to the guy who posted Detroit with a done nothing in Calvin and a yearly underachiever in Roy.I never said anything bad about the Minny Dline. They are the top DTs for sure...Allen may put them in the top Dline overall...that much remains to be seen at this point. Id give that title to NY for now as the best all around Dline.

I liked the addition of Williams at safety. I think Sharper takes too many chances and gets burnt too much...and the corners do absolutely nothing for me.

Remember Antoine Winfield was injured last year. He's still a top 6-7 corner in this league.

Was he also injurred in 2006...or 2005...or 2004 when Minny finished near the bottom nearly every year in pass defense...one year creeped up toward the league average....

That was due to a poor pass rush. He's the best CB in run support in the leauge and a sure tackler. He is underrated at his pass defense because of Minny's rush problems and his great tackling skills. He's definetly not a top corner at defending the pass but factor in his overall skills, theres not 10 or so corners better in the league.

 

[sho nuff]

WRs...no GB? while I am a homer...that is a pretty solid group of WRs. Perhaps Rodgers being in there will bring them down a bit...but those guys are dangerous after the catch.

for real??????You have 3 posts in this thread

2 negative about minny

1 positive about gb

Care to disagree with either of them?I thought both were quite honest despite my team bias.

GB doesnt have the best WRs in the leagueMIN has the best DLine in the league

I dont think our DBs are the best in the NFL, but you made it seemed like they all suck. Williams and Allen will help the DBs alot, i think they are top 7 or 8.

He was mentioning who could be discussed...not just one specific best team. Id say GB should be in the discussion based on what they have proven on the field...if you want to get on someone...talk to the guy who posted Detroit with a done nothing in Calvin and a yearly underachiever in Roy.I never said anything bad about the Minny Dline. They are the top DTs for sure...Allen may put them in the top Dline overall...that much remains to be seen at this point. Id give that title to NY for now as the best all around Dline.

I liked the addition of Williams at safety. I think Sharper takes too many chances and gets burnt too much...and the corners do absolutely nothing for me.

Remember Antoine Winfield was injured last year. He's still a top 6-7 corner in this league.

Was he also injurred in 2006...or 2005...or 2004 when Minny finished near the bottom nearly every year in pass defense...one year creeped up toward the league average....

That was due to a poor pass rush. He's the best CB in run support in the leauge and a sure tackler. He is underrated at his pass defense because of Minny's rush problems and his great tackling skills. He's definetly not a top corner at defending the pass but factor in his overall skills, theres not 10 or so corners better in the league.

He is a good tackler...but as far as pass defense goes...that team's corners do nothing for me.And as far as run support...is it that hard when you have the help up the middle that the Vikings do?

I know the pass rush has been poor...but come on...that cannot be the only excuse for the way that D has played...and even in 04 and 05 the rush D was below average.

I just don't see much with that secondary. They take alot of chances and get toasted often. And while some of the numbers are skewed the last 2 years because of how good the run D was...some teams would abandon the run and the Vikes still could not stop the pass.

And this went from a top 6-7 corner to there are not 10 or so corners better? Slipping a bit in the rankings already huh?

 

[Bob Magaw]

Tyrelle Johnson isn't likely to start but there are reports that they are going to work him into specific package situations so I think he'll still prove to be impactful this year.

i could see johnson being used in a big nickle a lot...when an offense spreads out a defense in the nickle, & the CB3 isn't a good tackler (after replacing the LB3 usually), the offense can gain the advantage by running out of that formation...having the safety as the nickle defender can help better defend this tactic, if he is good in run support and doesn't give up too much ground in coverage...johnson looks like a well rounded DB, who can run, hit & cover... he is an elite athlete, & with sharper & williams already at safety, it makes sense to find ways to get him on the field so he can start paying dividends immediately...

 

[Manster]

what about O-Line? without a good O-line your team will suck, see '07 Rams.

I'll take the Cowboys O-line right now. Flozell dominates defenders, and Colombo is a decent tackle, nothing special. Leonard Davis is playing at a high level, Kosier and Gurode round out a unit that played nearly the entire '07 campaign together. this unit is projected as the #1 O-line from the sources i've seen. if they are healthy the Dallas offense will be scary to face.

 

[Donnybrook]

CB - i might take SD with upside of cromartie, jammer & rookie cason... though DAL has, even if henry goes to S, newman, jenkins & pacman... OAK has asomugha & hall... DEN has bailey but i'm not that high on bly... GB very good with woodson & harris... PHI has samuel, brown & sheppard... CAR has marshall, gamble & lucas...

I still like Tillman and Vasher. Vasher was injury plagued last season and I expect both to be better this season.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

CB - i might take SD with upside of cromartie, jammer & rookie cason... though DAL has, even if henry goes to S, newman, jenkins & pacman... OAK has asomugha & hall... DEN has bailey but i'm not that high on bly... GB very good with woodson & harris... PHI has samuel, brown & sheppard... CAR has marshall, gamble & lucas...

I still like Tillman and Vasher. Vasher was injury plagued last season and I expect both to be better this season.

& Ricky Manning Jr.