redskins08
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Is Tolbert worthless w/ Matthews on the mend? Torain may be the best of the bunch.
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Torain or Tolbert or Blount? (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
I've got Torain as my top choice.
Frank Black
Footballguy
Good question. I think many others are in the same boat. I want to say Torain but with Shanny, there's a big risk predicting how involved he will be. To me, Blount offers the most upside although we don't know how he will perform on the field yet if given the rock more. I just don't trust any RB situation involving Shanny.
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
I am rolling the dice with Blount out of that group.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
I'd say Tolbert: it's already pretty clear he'll get goal line duty, Mathews is already hurt, pretty nice schedule & in a offense much better than the other two...
The_Underachiever
Footballguy
Not completly relevant to the topic, but I think I am going to drop Maroney for Blount.
1st quarter also.
CowboyFan
Footballguy
I took a shot at Torain since he is playing this weekend and figured I could drop and pick up Blount next week after his bye if Torain looks bad this weekend.
But NOW, every site I look at is pimping Blount, I don't think he will last on the waiver wire.
I think Blount has less upside (weaker offense), but also less in his way to becoming starter. If Portis were truly out of the way, it would be a no brainer to hold on Torain.
But NOW, every site I look at is pimping Blount, I don't think he will last on the waiver wire.
I think Blount has less upside (weaker offense), but also less in his way to becoming starter. If Portis were truly out of the way, it would be a no brainer to hold on Torain.
To me, TB hasn't looked that bad on offense though except the Steelers, who everyone has had trouble with so far. TB has a nice schedule for the most part and Freeman has shown good progress with his throwing ability to maybe open up some running lanes.
CowboyFan
Footballguy
I won't disagree that: 1. TB has looked better and 2. you should ignore all stats when a team faces the Steelers right now.But I still think that with McNabb and Shanny's historical success with the zone blocking, that if someone takes the reigns in Washington, there is more upside than the TB starting RB.Blount is almost the "safe" pick for a low end RB2, it isn't hard to imagine him getting 60% of the carries as the weeks go on. Portis however may well continue to get 10+ carries, rendering every RB in Washington useless.
Chaka
Footballguy
I think I like Torain's skills a little more (what the heck do I know?) but Washington has called the fewest running plays in the league (57) while Tampa is 11th (85).
I think Tampa has a better offensive line overall.
Tampa seems more likely to run the ball 4 times from the goal line whereas you can guarantee Shanny is going to throw in a QB bootleg within the first three attempts.
In Torain's defense he has a better passing game to keep defenses honest. Personally I think that's nice but somewhat overrated.
I think Tampa has a better offensive line overall.
Tampa seems more likely to run the ball 4 times from the goal line whereas you can guarantee Shanny is going to throw in a QB bootleg within the first three attempts.
In Torain's defense he has a better passing game to keep defenses honest. Personally I think that's nice but somewhat overrated.
redskins08
Footballguy
Portis was only out of the game because his wrist injury was a liability for ball control. I think we see Portis back as a starter but generally this seems that it will be a RBBC. Blount looks awesome and his desire is palpable. I went with him. I think next I would have held on to Tolbert since he might start next week.
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THE SNOWMAN
Footballguy
They let go of Larry Johnson, the writing is on the wall.
I think everyone is way to high on Blount. Caddy is still going to lead that team in carries and Huggins is going to get involved. Blount may be the goal line back but how much value is that in a TB offense?
Torain has the best chance to be the guy all year. Portis is hurting and obviously slowing down. He has to be the guy from this group.
I'd take Tolbert over Blount but it's close. Mathew is coming back this week and while he's healthy I think Blount might outperform Tolbert by a little but neither will offer much in fantasy so long as the starter is healthy. This is why I prefer Tolbert. We know, because we've seen it, if Mathews goes down Tolbert is going to get the load and the loan on a good offense with a HC who gets good production from his back. If Caddy goes down Blount would probably see an increase in his load but it could be minimal with more of a committe approach and on an offense that does not offer huge fantasy upside.
Torain has the best chance to be the guy all year. Portis is hurting and obviously slowing down. He has to be the guy from this group.
I'd take Tolbert over Blount but it's close. Mathew is coming back this week and while he's healthy I think Blount might outperform Tolbert by a little but neither will offer much in fantasy so long as the starter is healthy. This is why I prefer Tolbert. We know, because we've seen it, if Mathews goes down Tolbert is going to get the load and the loan on a good offense with a HC who gets good production from his back. If Caddy goes down Blount would probably see an increase in his load but it could be minimal with more of a committe approach and on an offense that does not offer huge fantasy upside.
THE SNOWMAN
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
If Portis is "slowing down", Caddy is running backwards. If you watched the Tampa game last weekend, it's obvious who the bigger, stronger, and more hungry back is. Blount runs with physicality and anger. Reminds me of Marion Barber.Tolbert is waiver wire fodder when Mathews gets back. San Diego loves Mathews, and he looked great despite the fumbles. While Tolbert has filled in admirably, he doesn't have that burst or 2nd gear that the Chargers want out of their RB. Blount will be starting in Tampa by week 8.
Portis and Caddy both look terrible but big differences exist. Like the fact Portis is hurt and Caddy is not.In Washington we already saw Torain move ahead of a healthy Williams. In Tampa we have no idea what the pecking order is when Huggins is healthy. Also Graham is going to continue to a role in the offense. That's a major difference between Torain being a Portis injury away from being the man.If Caddy is healthy he wont' be losing his job. If Mathews is healthy he won't be losing his job either. But I always think knowing is better than speculation. We know Tolbert is the guy if Mathews goes down. You might think Blount is the guy if Caddy goes down but you don't know that. Give me knowing over guessing anytime.
zamboni
Footballguy
The only problem is that even if Portis is phased out, it could be Keiland Williams that emerges. Just a few weeks ago, Shanny was saying a lot of good things about KW, and clearly with Shanahan, you never know. Can't imagine that too many people expected Torain, and not Williams, to get those carries last Sunday right off the practice squad.
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I did not know if Torain or Kieland would be the guy but I was not surprised it was Torain. I even made bids for Torain in about every league I'm in last week. Kieland is more of a third down back and can contribute on special teams. While Larry was suiting up there was no need to keep Torain as part of the active roster. Once Larry was out of the picture I think it's pretty obvious Torain is the guy over Kieland.The only problem is that even if Portis is phased out, it could be Keiland Williams that emerges. Just a few weeks ago, Shanny was saying a lot of good things about KW, and clearly with Shanahan, you never know. Can't imagine that too many people expected Torain, and not Williams, to get those carries last Sunday right off the practice squad.
Torain being on the practice squad is an indication Shanny does not love him so much he feared another team picking him up. So there is that but I go with what I see. Kieland has pretty much been a third down back, not much else.
tdhartis
Footballguy
You have no way of proving that if Caddy went down, Blount wouldn't get the majority of the carries. Becoming a RBBC is just jumping to conclusions, there is no way of proving it. That's just as credible as me saying that if Carnel went down that Blount would get the bulk of the carries with Huggins being a 3rd down back. There is just as much evidence to support the claim, none. Plus Blount is at least built like an every down back, Huggins fits the mold of a change of pace/3rd down back. Take it for what its worth, no one really knows. All I do know is that Torain and Blount have the most upside, with Torain having the slight edge. I'm not high on Tolbert, especially with Matthews back.
Right. I speculated that his load would increase but that it would be more of a RBBC approach but I don't know for sure. What do now for sure is Tolbert is getting carries if Mathews goes down and I just saw the same thing with the Skins last week. As I keep saying I'd rather go with what I know versus what I'm guessing on.
In general I think people are just burying Caddy to soon. He's not very good, I get that and agree. But the Huggins love was out of control earlier for the same reason the Blount love is out of control right now. Just because we all think Caddy is a not getting down does not mean he's getting benched.
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Video courtesy of NFL GAME REWIND
Ryan Torrain (6'1 218) vs. STL: 7-46
Torain for 36
Torain for 3
Torain for -1
Torain for 7
Torain for 5
Torain for -3
Torain for -1
LaGarrette Blount (6'0, 240) vs. PIT: 6-27 1TD
Blount for 12
Blount for 4
Blount for 8
Blount for 2
Blount for no gain at GL
Blount for TD
I had to make this decision last night and had no problem choosing Blount.
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Ryan Torrain (6'1 218) vs. STL: 7-46
Torain for 36
Torain for 3
Torain for -1
Torain for 7
Torain for 5
Torain for -3
Torain for -1
LaGarrette Blount (6'0, 240) vs. PIT: 6-27 1TD
Blount for 12
Blount for 4
Blount for 8
Blount for 2
Blount for no gain at GL
Blount for TD
I had to make this decision last night and had no problem choosing Blount.
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Badgers Fan
Footballguy
Blount. Look at that division. Saints Panthers Falcons. None of those run D's scare me. There is the possibility of the saints or falcons running up the score tho. The same can be said about Tolbert, but if mathews is healthy he wont be a big factor. There's probably greater chance that Mathews comes back and stay healthy, than there is of Cadillac williams not gettin hurt. even healthy he has a 2.5 ypc. Weeks 14-16 he has the redskins lions seahawks. So if your patient with him, he may prove to be a solid flex play come fantasy playoff time
taz
Footballguy
Raheem Morris came out today and said Blount reminds him of Mike Alstott, and could start taking short-yardage and goal-line carries from Earnest Graham.
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I would expect Blount to get even more carries going forward, at least at the expense of Graham. It might be premature to assume he'll replace Cadillac, but they're definitely going to get him more involved.
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I would expect Blount to get even more carries going forward, at least at the expense of Graham. It might be premature to assume he'll replace Cadillac, but they're definitely going to get him more involved.
Chaka
Footballguy
Why not? I admire the heck out of Caddy but it's not like he's unbenchable. He might continue to get starts because he is such an inspiration to the team but that doesn't mean he will get the majority of the carries.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Lots of questions in both situations. I'd argue that Portis' job is far more secure than Caddy's when both are healthy. I disagree with your opinion that Caddy has no chance of losing his job if he remains healthy; he's averaging 2.5 ypc and has no burst. Blount has 1st round talent, was dominant at Oregon, and looks like a hungry dog out there. I'm biased b/c I saw a couple of his games when he was a junior and he was a man amongst boys. Blount has the most upside, IMO.
