Trade pulled in my league, what do you think? (1 Viewer)

[senor peso 2006]

The real question is do trades ever approach a point of lopsidedness that they deserve to be killed by the league/commish?

10 team keep up to 4 players, ppr, 1pt per 25 pass yards, 1pt per 10 rush/receive yards, -2 fumble lost and int. Start 1 QB, 2 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE and 1 flex WR/RB. League pot pays about $350 for first, $200 for 2nd and $100 for 3rd (on average).

Manager A roster Manager B roster

QB McNabb phi QB P Rivers sd

WR H. Ward pit WR B Marshall den

WR L Fitz ari WR R White atl

RB J Addia ind WR L Evans buf

RB T Jones nyj WR B Edwards cle

RB McClain bal RB M Lynch buf

TE J Witten RB M Barber dal

No other significant players RB A Peterson min

RB J Jones sea

TE K Winslow cle

No other significant players

The trade has manager A sending Fitzgerald and Witten to manager B for Roddy White, Braylon Edwards and Julis Jones and manager B would send a 8th round pick for next years draft. Our league rules state that if six of the remaining eight managers not involved with the trade, disapprove, then the trade is killed. After two yes votes and five no votes the trading partners decided to pull the trade. All eight of the voting managers agreed that the trade was one sided.

I’m curious to hear others feedback in regards to this deal being too lopsided to be allowed or not. I personally voted on approving the deal but see very little value for Manger A in the present or future value. The reason for my decision is that this is not a question of collusion, but one manager making bad decisions. I tend to believe that people have the right to make mistakes, even if it hurts my chances to win the league.

I would also like to know what the thoughts are in regards to when a deal could or should be killed outside of collusion.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Whats to ask? your league has special rules on this..so the trade was pulled by the traders...they seem to notice the league was against it

 

[FUBAR]

I don't think the trade is that bad. Roddy and Braylon are two of the players on my "buy-low" list. Long term, I feel Braylon is pretty close to Fitz. Witten for Roddy and Julius isn't bad either. But, you'd have to agree with me that those two WRs are good buys right now. Apparently player A did, which is why I don't like the rules.

I've seen some deals that are bad enough to veto, but this is not one of them. Basically ask yourself if there's any plausible reason both sides would want this deal.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

The prevailing opinion on these boards is that collusion is the only reason to overturn a trade. Ultimately it is up to each league to set their own boundaries.

There are plenty of people that believe terrible trades should not be allowed to happen, especially in dynasty-type leagues. They pretty much get shouted down by the "ONLY COLLUSION" bots hereabouts.

I understand that it is a tough line to draw, but absurd trades screw up the competitive balance of leagues... one horrendous trade can just about ruin a league, and that especially sucks in money leagues and dynasty leagues.

So, to each his own. Just know what kind of league you are getting into beforehand.

All that being said, this looks kind of bad, but not at all absurd. I presume your leaguemates are saying that the side getting Fitz and Witten is coming out too far ahead, but just 4 weeks ago Edwards was ranked along side of Fitz... plus Roddy is solid, and Jones will be solid as long as he gets enough touches.

I think your league's line is a little too conservative; there is enough talent going both ways here that makes this trade okay.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I'm interested why they agreed to pull the trade. If you honestly believe you're doing right by your team...why not stick up for yourself and make your case? If they fold up and pull it without arguing their side, they must acknowledge something is wrong. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but something seems fishy there.

 

[[scooter]]

Team B is stacked at RB and can afford to give up Jones in exchange for marginal improvements at WR and TE. Meanwhile, Team A needs an RB badly. This trade will probably help both teams, so what's the big deal?

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

thread after thread after thread of BS views.

LET EM TRADE AND quit being a PINHEAD.

Thank god Most my leagues eliminated trade votes after reading all this unecessary whinning trade after trade after trade on here. I have not seen a bad one yet either!

You people dont know crap and cant predict the future.

Let managers be managers and shut the ^&*( up is what I would

tell you!

 

[FUBAR]

I'm interested why they agreed to pull the trade. If you honestly believe you're doing right by your team...why not stick up for yourself and make your case? If they fold up and pull it without arguing their side, they must acknowledge something is wrong. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but something seems fishy there.

I disagree. I've been in a similar situation, nobody thought we were colluding (I didn't even know the guy until the draft and this was a couple weeks after that), but the deal was thought to be completely in my favor. I of course liked the deal, but didn't think it was that bad, keeping in mind that I just drafted these players, so I obviously like them enough. I ended up emailing him and said if he wanted to redo it, we can. The player the league was most upset about was someone I didn't care too much about (I think it was TJ Duckett) so we ended up making a similar deal awhile later without any complaints. Sometimes you act in the best interest of the league and I didn't want to come off as an owner who wants to rip others off.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I'm interested why they agreed to pull the trade. If you honestly believe you're doing right by your team...why not stick up for yourself and make your case? If they fold up and pull it without arguing their side, they must acknowledge something is wrong. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but something seems fishy there.

I disagree. I've been in a similar situation, nobody thought we were colluding (I didn't even know the guy until the draft and this was a couple weeks after that), but the deal was thought to be completely in my favor. I of course liked the deal, but didn't think it was that bad, keeping in mind that I just drafted these players, so I obviously like them enough. I ended up emailing him and said if he wanted to redo it, we can. The player the league was most upset about was someone I didn't care too much about (I think it was TJ Duckett) so we ended up making a similar deal awhile later without any complaints. Sometimes you act in the best interest of the league and I didn't want to come off as an owner who wants to rip others off.

I'm not sure how that's in the best interests of the league. Caving in doesn't mean it's a good idea. No offense, but it sounds like you knew the trade was lopsided and felt somewhat guilty about it. I'm not sure why the other guy just went along with it like "Oh, OK. I guess I don't know what I'm doing." Please don't think I'm accusing you of collusion or anything. It just seems like if the trading parties themsevles just give in...they're admitting the trade isn't right. I'm sure there are cases with hyper-sensitive leagues where it's better just to rework the deal rather than deal with the complaining (and that might be your situation)...but I think those are rare cases. I have to believe that if the trading partners won't defend their own trade, something is wrong with it in most cases.

 

[FUBAR]

I'm interested why they agreed to pull the trade. If you honestly believe you're doing right by your team...why not stick up for yourself and make your case? If they fold up and pull it without arguing their side, they must acknowledge something is wrong. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but something seems fishy there.

I disagree. I've been in a similar situation, nobody thought we were colluding (I didn't even know the guy until the draft and this was a couple weeks after that), but the deal was thought to be completely in my favor. I of course liked the deal, but didn't think it was that bad, keeping in mind that I just drafted these players, so I obviously like them enough. I ended up emailing him and said if he wanted to redo it, we can. The player the league was most upset about was someone I didn't care too much about (I think it was TJ Duckett) so we ended up making a similar deal awhile later without any complaints. Sometimes you act in the best interest of the league and I didn't want to come off as an owner who wants to rip others off.

I'm not sure how that's in the best interests of the league. Caving in doesn't mean it's a good idea. No offense, but it sounds like you knew the trade was lopsided and felt somewhat guilty about it. I'm not sure why the other guy just went along with it like "Oh, OK. I guess I don't know what I'm doing." Please don't think I'm accusing you of collusion or anything. It just seems like if the trading parties themsevles just give in...they're admitting the trade isn't right. I'm sure there are cases with hyper-sensitive leagues where it's better just to rework the deal rather than deal with the complaining (and that might be your situation)...but I think those are rare cases. I have to believe that if the trading partners won't defend their own trade, something is wrong with it in most cases.

I've made some deals I thought were "lopsided", but that wasn't one of them. There was some whining in the league, and I didn't think the trade was as bad as others did. It's probably rare, and the league got less sensitive afterwards. Others thought the trade was one-sided, I did not. We both agreed that it wasn't a big enough deal for either of us, so we just redid the deal (took some time as mentioned). I usually wouldn't recomend the redo, but there are times when it's at least arguably appropriate. I'm just saying that redoing something doesn't mean it was wrong to begin with.

 

[JAA]

I would leave the league. THat is a joke

 

[DropKick]

The prevailing opinion on these boards is that collusion is the only reason to overturn a trade. Ultimately it is up to each league to set their own boundaries.There are plenty of people that believe terrible trades should not be allowed to happen, especially in dynasty-type leagues. They pretty much get shouted down by the "ONLY COLLUSION" bots hereabouts.I understand that it is a tough line to draw, but absurd trades screw up the competitive balance of leagues... one horrendous trade can just about ruin a league, and that especially sucks in money leagues and dynasty leagues.So, to each his own. Just know what kind of league you are getting into beforehand. All that being said, this looks kind of bad, but not at all absurd. I presume your leaguemates are saying that the side getting Fitz and Witten is coming out too far ahead, but just 4 weeks ago Edwards was ranked along side of Fitz... plus Roddy is solid, and Jones will be solid as long as he gets enough touches.I think your league's line is a little too conservative; there is enough talent going both ways here that makes this trade okay.

As commish, I reserve the right to veto any trade. The option has never been exercised. I would not have blinked at this deal.The last thing I would want in a league is league members voting on the "perceived fairness" of a deal. Based on what I read from posts like these, people are always too afraid one team is getting "too good". Who needs that self-serving agenda? I suspect that's why I see moronic keeper league rules such as "you can't keep a player drafted in the first 8 rounds". Makes you wonder why they even have keepers.One trade can ruin a league? The best team on paper doesn't always win in head to head format. Plus the rate of change in the NFL (injuries, etc) can bring a team back to the pack in a hurry. I know you would ruin the league (for me) if I worked out a good trade and the league shot it down.

 

[Athletic Supporter]

thread after thread after thread of BS views.

LET EM TRADE AND quit being a PINHEAD.

Thank god Most my leagues eliminated trade votes after reading all this unecessary whinning trade after trade after trade on here. I have not seen a bad one yet either!

You people dont know crap and cant predict the future.

Let managers be managers and shut the ^&*( up is what I would

tell you!

VERY

 

[da_budman]

As comish of a league that doesnt trade much at all, I have proposed rules that would actually ake it easier to trade if teams choose to. Then I come in here and see the constant should this trade be overturned posts and I ask myself....WHAT WHERE YOU THINKING !!! These kinds of issues , ( that are 95% of the time non issues ) I am convinced are just dredged up to cause the comish grief and rip an otherwise fun hobby to shreds.... As much as I like trading...or having the option to, I SWEAR if I was starting a new league and had total control over the rules, It might very well be a NO TRADE LEAGUE......

In the 7 or 8 years of being comish, I have never had to overturn a trade. only once have I REALLY considered it and, after talking to both parties, they agreed to rescind the trade.

You guys who gripe and complain about trade fairness dont realize that the end results of your petty griping usually ends up ripping a good league apart...and for what? ....often nothing....

didnt mean to go off ona rant her...and by no means is this aimed at just the OP here..... Im betting that the vast majority of the people whho bring up these issues have never been on the other end of it...

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

The real question is do trades ever approach a point of lopsidedness that they deserve to be killed by the league/commish?10 team keep up to 4 players, ppr, 1pt per 25 pass yards, 1pt per 10 rush/receive yards, -2 fumble lost and int. Start 1 QB, 2 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE and 1 flex WR/RB. League pot pays about $350 for first, $200 for 2nd and $100 for 3rd (on average).Manager A roster Manager B rosterQB McNabb phi QB P Rivers sdWR H. Ward pit WR B Marshall denWR L Fitz ari WR R White atlRB J Addia ind WR L Evans bufRB T Jones nyj WR B Edwards cleRB McClain bal RB M Lynch bufTE J Witten RB M Barber dalNo other significant players RB A Peterson min RB J Jones sea TE K Winslow cle No other significant playersThe trade has manager A sending Fitzgerald and Witten to manager B for Roddy White, Braylon Edwards and Julis Jones and manager B would send a 8th round pick for next years draft. Our league rules state that if six of the remaining eight managers not involved with the trade, disapprove, then the trade is killed. After two yes votes and five no votes the trading partners decided to pull the trade. All eight of the voting managers agreed that the trade was one sided. I’m curious to hear others feedback in regards to this deal being too lopsided to be allowed or not. I personally voted on approving the deal but see very little value for Manger A in the present or future value. The reason for my decision is that this is not a question of collusion, but one manager making bad decisions. I tend to believe that people have the right to make mistakes, even if it hurts my chances to win the league.I would also like to know what the thoughts are in regards to when a deal could or should be killed outside of collusion.

u r right