Trading KJ (1 Viewer)

[Rev]

Sharks in my league are 'encouraging' me to consider trading KJ at a discount rate, now that Bell and Duckett are in town. Yet, if the news about KJ's rehab is correct, his value will increase the closer we get to the season.

Why would KJ owners consider discount trades now, when KJ's value could be at or near last year's level if the news about his recovery is correct? Bell & Duckett aren't scary enough to panic, IMO.

Latest offer I've seen: Turner + 1.12 for KJ.

Note: THIS IS NOT AN ASSISTANT COACH FORUM QUESTION.

 

[wannabee]

Sharks in my league are 'encouraging' me to consider trading KJ at a discount rate, now that Bell and Duckett are in town. Yet, if the news about KJ's rehab is correct, his value will increase the closer we get to the season. Why would KJ owners consider discount trades now, when KJ's value could be at or near last year's level if the news about his recovery is correct? Bell & Duckett aren't scary enough to panic, IMO. Latest offer I've seen: Turner + 1.12 for KJ.Note: THIS IS NOT AN ASSISTANT COACH FORUM QUESTION.

KJ is only 24 years old. If, at worst (per the news reports) he comes back midseason, there is no reason to sell him low. The optimistic reports say KJ will be ready for preseason. So, the difference of the optimistic and pessimistic is a pretty small window for dynasty. I am not a Bell fan and think he will struggle in Detroit and Duckett has not made another RB afraid outside of the buffet line. If you have KJ, you need to hold until he is healthy. Then, you can sell.

 

[fsufan]

my main 3 RBs in one of my dynasty league are KJ, Rudi and T. Bell. now 2 are on the same team.

In a dynasty league I would wait and see on KJ.

 

[Garts]

Personally, I would take the Turner offer and run while HIS value is this proce. Once het goes somewhere to start, good luck getting Tunrer and the 12th for a brittle KJ.

 

[mlball77]

If we're talking dynasty leagues here, most teams moving KJ are likely taking a beating in doing so. I think patience is the best route with KJ. There is still an outside shot he won't miss any time this year.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Personally, I would take the Turner offer and run while HIS value is this proce. Once het goes somewhere to start, good luck getting Tunrer and the 12th for a brittle KJ.

Even if you think that is a deal he should take, it is certainly not a "and run" deal.KJ is the proven, younger, and more talented back, who has a better shot at starting week one than Turner. Hoping that a 2nd tier WR or a 3rd tier RB fall to you at the 1.12 is not worth the difference.

 

[Garts]

Personally, I would take the Turner offer and run while HIS value is this proce. Once het goes somewhere to start, good luck getting Tunrer and the 12th for a brittle KJ.

Even if you think that is a deal he should take, it is certainly not a "and run" deal.KJ is the proven, younger, and more talented back, who has a better shot at starting week one than Turner. Hoping that a 2nd tier WR or a 3rd tier RB fall to you at the 1.12 is not worth the difference.

I disagree with the more talented.Turner will put up better numbers theh KJ if given a #1 job.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Personally, I would take the Turner offer and run while HIS value is this proce. Once het goes somewhere to start, good luck getting Tunrer and the 12th for a brittle KJ.

agreed

 

[EBF]

In a QB-heavy 12 team PPR dynasty that starts 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 FLEX, and 1 TE, I just gave:

Kevin Jones

David Carr

for

Thomas Jones

Reggie Williams

I like KJ's long-term upside, but I really think TJ is being overlooked right now and is a good candidate to have a very strong season next year.

 

[Demons]

KJ's numbers haven't been that great.

2005 yards per carry were 3.6, and increased to 3.8 in 2006.

He had 5 lost fumbles in 2006.

The only thing that increased for the better in 2006 was receptions, receiving yardage and two receiving TD's (When I say "the only thing", I understand it is still significant, but 3.8 yards per carry just won't do it for a RB, especially when you can't stay on the field for a full season).

He started 13 games in 2005 and 12 in 2006. After looking at the numbers, I wouldn't be shocked to see Detroit draft Peterson, after trading down a few slots.

His yards per carry are stagnant and mediocre, he is missing 1/4 of the season every year and his fumbles are up. On the plus side, at least he is doing well for PPR leagues, when he isn't injured. But PPR doesn't apply to the real NFL.

Detroit could use him as an uber-third down back, or split him out with an Adrian Peterson.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Personally, I would take the Turner offer and run while HIS value is this proce. Once het goes somewhere to start, good luck getting Tunrer and the 12th for a brittle KJ.

Even if you think that is a deal he should take, it is certainly not a "and run" deal.KJ is the proven, younger, and more talented back, who has a better shot at starting week one than Turner. Hoping that a 2nd tier WR or a 3rd tier RB fall to you at the 1.12 is not worth the difference.

I disagree with the more talented.Turner will put up better numbers theh KJ if given a #1 job.

Turner is deceptively fast who can bounce off the occcasional tackle against defenses that are just relieved that Tomlinson is not in the backfield. He would not appear to be nearly as talented in Detroit as he does taking the occasional handoff behind Tomlinson. When the guy puts up those kind of numbers as a featured back, and learns to catch, i will listen to an argument that he is more talented than KJ, but until then, there is little question for me that KJ is the "more talented" back.

 

[Demons]

I was offered Michael Vick and Kevin Jones for Turner. The person making the offer has Peyton Manning and Roethlisberger also, in a ten team league. I'm sitting on Cutler, Rivers and Jason Campbell. For the reasons I enumerated above, I'm thinking of staying away from Jones and turning down the offer. With Turner, at least I have hope of a better future. Jones is turning into Fragile Freddie, without the upside.

 

[Rev]

KJ is only 24 years old. If, at worst (per the news reports) he comes back midseason, there is no reason to sell him low. The optimistic reports say KJ will be ready for preseason. So, the difference of the optimistic and pessimistic is a pretty small window for dynasty. I am not a Bell fan and think he will struggle in Detroit and Duckett has not made another RB afraid outside of the buffet line. If you have KJ, you need to hold until he is healthy. Then, you can sell.

Good points here. Just to add some detail, Michael Turner is only 6 months older than KJ. FYI

 

[Burning Sensation]

I was offered Michael Vick and Kevin Jones for Turner. The person making the offer has Peyton Manning and Roethlisberger also, in a ten team league. I'm sitting on Cutler, Rivers and Jason Campbell. For the reasons I enumerated above, I'm thinking of staying away from Jones and turning down the offer. With Turner, at least I have hope of a better future. Jones is turning into Fragile Freddie, without the upside.

 

[wannabee]

KJ is only 24 years old. If, at worst (per the news reports) he comes back midseason, there is no reason to sell him low. The optimistic reports say KJ will be ready for preseason. So, the difference of the optimistic and pessimistic is a pretty small window for dynasty. I am not a Bell fan and think he will struggle in Detroit and Duckett has not made another RB afraid outside of the buffet line. If you have KJ, you need to hold until he is healthy. Then, you can sell.

Good points here. Just to add some detail, Michael Turner is only 6 months older than KJ. FYI

I was addressing KJ, not the trade. Was trying to talk about KJ, not make it a ACF post. But, I do like Turner.

 

[Garts]

IF you have Kevin Jones, he better be your RB3, because for 8 games every year he will be hurt or nicked up where he leaves the game or misses chunks of game action.

KJ is just right as a RB3, overrated as a RB2.

KJ= unreliable

 

[Rev]

IF you have Kevin Jones, he better be your RB3, because for 8 games every year he will be hurt or nicked up where he leaves the game or misses chunks of game action.KJ is just right as a RB3, overrated as a RB2.KJ= unreliable

KJ was top 10 in my league last year for most of the year. And he led the league in rushing for the second half of his rookie year. The guys is talented, and has proven alot more than many RBs.

 

[cstu]

I've heard that people will give up Javon Walker for him.

 

[Mr. Pink]

Just something to chew on with respect to KJ. Last season in my league (scoring 1pt./10 yds rushed/rec'd, 6 pts./TD, no pt./rec.) he finished #9 among RBs in fantasy PPG. This was his first year in the Martz system. Granted, he missed time, and owners of him must remain cognizant of that, but he isn't a back I would kick to the curb either.

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[TME]

KJ's numbers haven't been that great.2005 yards per carry were 3.6, and increased to 3.8 in 2006.He had 5 lost fumbles in 2006.

However, I will have to say that if you saw a few Detroit games last year, you had to be impressed with how he was running the ball. He looked good and often those 3.8 yards were all him. He did have a few terrible games, but all in all, I thought he looked good with the ball in his hands. The guy also had a brutal schedule in 2006 - Vikings twice, Bears (early when the D was good) and NE. Not trying to be a KJ apologist but I thought he ran the ball way better than the average indicates and as we have seen with Edge, run blocking dictates averages more so than the back. Detroit needs to up their run blocking.As for the fumbles, they have to stop. Some of that seemed to be related to the fact that he was running the ball good and making that extra effort, but that got him in unusual positions that led to taking that extra or unusual hit and laying the ball on the ground. It was definately a problem last year, but not a problem for him historically. He should be able to right the ship as so many young backs with fumble problems have before.What's really intruiging about KJ is him combined with the Martz system. If healthy, the guys is an every down running and pass catching back. A feature of the offense that will get the ball 20 times a game either on ground or through the air. That in and of itself is a huge advantage in fantasy...simply being in such a system and you need to be in that kind of system with that kind of opportunity to be a top fantasy back.That's why, I think you hold KJ because, if healthy, he can be a 1,200 yard rushing 600 yard receiving kind of back in that offense. Not many guys even have that kind of opportunity.

 

[BigRed]

Note: THIS IS NOT AN ASSISTANT COACH FORUM QUESTION.

Yes, you disguised that well.Anyway I would hold onto Meshawn, he's a future HOFer after all.Or is he? We should start a thread......

 

[TheFanatic]

Right after the season ended I was offered my choice of Housh, Colston or Driver for him in a dynasty PPR league. I took Colston. I have a lot of depth at RB and only 1 solid WR (Owens). With Addai, Gore, Edge, Droughns, Jacobs, and Ricky, I felt I could move him for a young up and coming WR who started his career with a bang...

 

[ThePittbully]

I traded for KJ this offseason and personally I think I got a hell of a deal regardless of if he comes back in preseason or midseason. I gave up Bernard Berrian and 5.1 for KJ and 6.4, I dont really see the point in trading people when there is injury controversy unless you think they are done for good and just trying to get whatever you can before you eat the loss. But on the other hand, Im not complaining because I love a cheap trade

 

[kensat30]

Lis Franc is a pretty scary injury. As a KJ owner I have to admit, this could be the end of his career. But, I have too much invested to dump now, only thing to do is wait it out.

Turner + 1.12 seems not so bad from a long term perspective. I wouldn't do it though.

 

[mlball77]

I traded for KJ this offseason and personally I think I got a hell of a deal regardless of if he comes back in preseason or midseason. I gave up Bernard Berrian and 5.1 for KJ and 6.4, I dont really see the point in trading people when there is injury controversy unless you think they are done for good and just trying to get whatever you can before you eat the loss. But on the other hand, Im not complaining because I love a cheap trade

That was a great trade on your end! A very good buy low exhibition.

 

[DrJ]

I was offered Da Bears D for him. Uh....right...

 

[ThePittbully]

Any new reports on his progress, probably will be a while before we really know whats going on