Trump Press Conference (2 Viewers)

[Henry Ford]

That is a link to Buzzfeed's story, not to the report.

No, it is a link to the CNN story that says that Buzzfeed published the report.

 

[culdeus]

Subjective imo.  Tobias and I debated this and you know what?  I gradually came around to the opinion that CNN by and large acted appropriately in running the story the way the did.  Personally I wouldn't have linked to the 35 page report, and I think Jim Acosta was totally out of line in the press conference, but overall I'm ok with CNN.

Again.  Still waiting on evidence they linked the 35 page report. 

Edit didn't read forward to realize @Higgs was proven wrong. 

Guys been spouting this crap for days now.  

 

[roadkill1292]

I thought I remember you wanting to tap out back with the Mexican judge stuff. 

Man, he's done and said so many idiotic things the past year, I had completely forgotten about that awful little episode. That may have been when I was most confident that there was no way the country would elect a guy who thought like that. Good job, country.

 

[The Commish]

Meh, most confirmation hearings aren't particularly newsworthy.  I watched a few hours of Tillerman's hearing yesterday and I'm not sure there was much worth discussion.  Especially in this environment, all that's happening is Dems trying to ask "gotcha" questions and the nominees trying to avoid saying anything too stupid.

And see, to me, I think it's important that people understand that his picks disagree with him in a lot of different areas.  To each his own I suppose.

 

[Sabertooth]

And see, to me, I think it's important that people understand that his picks disagree with him in a lot of different areas.  To each his own I suppose.

I think all his picks so far agree on one thing "We going get riiiiiiiiich!" 

 

[The Commish]

Some things are complicated for good reason.  I'm asking for examples of things that the government makes complicated for the purpose of diminishing the ability of people to understand.

You're wading into BFS territory here trying to make more of what I said than what I actually said.  The bold was never my argument.  I said the government is happy with it being complicated.  However, our tax structure in this country, for the common person, might as well be written in Greek.  It's incredibly cumbersome and often times illogical, but if you're going to ask me to prove that the government did it this way for the purpose of diminishing the ability of people to understand, I won't.  That's not my argument.  That's something you've come up with on your own. 

 

[Higgs]

No, it is a link to the CNN story that says that Buzzfeed published the report.

CNN changed the link.  That link before Jan. 11, 4:21 pm took you directly to the Buzzfeed report.  CNN has a running edit on their articles.  After the Trump press conference they got spooked and created the Money article.  If you notice, CNN never said, "We never linked to the Buzzfeed report".  They always went out of their way to say that they do not link to the Buzzfeed article (present tense).  They are lying sacks of ####.  Believe what you want, but that link existed exactly as written before 4:21 pm on the 11th.  And if it didn't take you to the Money article, where do you think it took you?

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Does it really matter whether there's an actual link or not?  Anyone reading the CNN story could have just entered buzzfeed into their browser to check it out.  I don't see much of a difference between linking the report and saying "buzzfeed has posted the report."

 

[Sabertooth]

Does it really matter whether there's an actual link or not?  Anyone reading the CNN story could have just entered buzzfeed into their browser to check it out.  I don't see much of a difference between linking the report and saying "buzzfeed has posted the report."

Plausible deniability.  

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

You're wading into BFS territory here trying to make more of what I said than what I actually said.  The bold was never my argument.  I said the government is happy with it being complicated.  However, our tax structure in this country, for the common person, might as well be written in Greek.  It's incredibly cumbersome and often times illogical, but if you're going to ask me to prove that the government did it this way for the purpose of diminishing the ability of people to understand, I won't.  That's not my argument.  That's something you've come up with on your own. 

OK, I guess when you say stuff like "the government is happy with it being complicated" I concluded that you meant that there was a deliberate choice to make it complicated.

There are lots of reasons why the tax code is complicated.  I don't think one of those reasons is complexity just for the #### of it.

 

[Higgs]

Does it really matter whether there's an actual link or not?  Anyone reading the CNN story could have just entered buzzfeed into their browser to check it out.  I don't see much of a difference between linking the report and saying "buzzfeed has posted the report."

Good point.  I'm just hung up on the idea that CNN would change a link, then obfuscate the issue on the air to Conway and in follow up articles and tweets.  I mean that is pretty bad if indeed it happened.  Technically they never lied per se, because they always spoke carefully in present tense terms, but it's real dirty and not becoming of a major news organization.

It's an interesting mystery that I'm not sure will ever be solved.  There really is no way to look back in time and see if they linked to the article as me and several others recollect.  I was sober on Wednesday, and when I'm sober I'm surprisingly accurate , and I was almost certain that CNN linked directly to the Buzzfeed report - which is why I jumped off the couch when Anderson Cooper said CNN doesn't link to it. And FWIW, there's a guy out there on the Blaze forum who seems very credible and says that his browser history shows him from going from CNN to Buzzfeed on the morning of the 11th.  

 

[moleculo]

so what?  the Buzzfeed article, by it's own existance, was newsworthy.  What's the problem with CNN linking to it?

did CNN ever link directly to the 35 page dossier?  As I recall, you had to go to buzzfeed first. That's not quite the same thing as CNN linking directly to the dossier, and it's a far cry from endorsing it's accuracy.

 

[Courtjester]

So just to be clear, a report prepared at the request of his political rivals by a guy who has now gone into hiding,containing unverified reports of completely  unverifiable incidents in which CNN is doing all they can to distance themselves from is going to force the president to be removed, but saying "grab them by the &@@@@" on video wasn't enough to disqualify him? 

Yeah, ain't happening....

 

[timschochet]

So just to be clear, a report prepared at the request of his political rivals by a guy who has now gone into hiding,containing unverified reports of completely  unverifiable incidents in which CNN is doing all they can to distance themselves from is going to force the president to be removed, but saying "grab them by the &@@@@" on video wasn't enough to disqualify him? 

Yeah, ain't happening....

I agree with you. Nothing will come of this.

But that being said, Trump's petulant reaction gives me great cause for concern, given the fact that he's about to assume the role of the world's most powerful person. Do you share this concern?

 

[Sabertooth]

I think the only thing that could derail him is a gay sex tape.  

 

[The General]

Man, he's done and said so many idiotic things the past year, I had completely forgotten about that awful little episode. That may have been when I was most confident that there was no way the country would elect a guy who thought like that. Good job, country.

The amount of messed up stuff he did that he politically survived is something new. Really is remarkable.

 

[culdeus]

Good point.  I'm just hung up on the idea that CNN would change a link, then obfuscate the issue on the air to Conway and in follow up articles and tweets.  I mean that is pretty bad if indeed it happened.  Technically they never lied per se, because they always spoke carefully in present tense terms, but it's real dirty and not becoming of a major news organization.

It's an interesting mystery that I'm not sure will ever be solved.  There really is no way to look back in time and see if they linked to the article as me and several others recollect.  I was sober on Wednesday, and when I'm sober I'm surprisingly accurate , and I was almost certain that CNN linked directly to the Buzzfeed report - which is why I jumped off the couch when Anderson Cooper said CNN doesn't link to it. And FWIW, there's a guy out there on the Blaze forum who seems very credible and says that his browser history shows him from going from CNN to Buzzfeed on the morning of the 11th.  

Well if a guy's browser history on the blaze forum isn't proof then I don't know what is.  Has he called breitbart yet with this juicy bit of intel?

 

[Sammy3469]

So just to be clear, a report prepared at the request of his political rivals by a guy who has now gone into hiding,containing unverified reports of completely  unverifiable incidents in which CNN is doing all they can to distance themselves from is going to force the president to be removed, but saying "grab them by the &@@@@" on video wasn't enough to disqualify him? 

Yeah, ain't happening....

Just to be clear this is the same guy that brought down FIFA with info from Russian operatives which is one of the reasons our IC isn't dimissing this out of hand.  He directly gave the FBI the info they needed for the case:

fter he left the spy service, Steele supplied the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation with information on corruption at FIFA, international soccer's governing body.

It was his work on corruption in international soccer that lent credence to his reporting on Trump's entanglements in Russia, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.

Emails seen by Reuters indicate that, in the summer of 2010, members of a New York-based FBI squad assigned to investigate "Eurasian Organized Crime" met Steele in London to discuss allegations of possible corruption in FIFA, the Zurich, Switzerland-based body that also organizes the World Cup tournament.

People familiar with Steele's activities said his London-based company, Orbis Business Intelligence, was hired by the Football Association (FA), England's domestic soccer governing body, to investigate FIFA. At the time, the FA was hoping to host the 2018 or 2022 World Cups. British corporate records show that Orbis was formed in March 2009.

Amid a swirl of corruption allegations, the 2018 World Cup was awarded to Moscow and Qatar was chosen to host the 2022 competition.

The FBI squad whose members met Steele subsequently opened a major investigation into alleged soccer corruption that led to dozens of U.S. indictments, including those of prominent international soccer officials.

Senior FIFA officials, including long-time president Sepp Blatter, were forced to resign.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-steele-idUSKBN14W0HN

 

[fatness]

I was almost certain that CNN linked directly to the Buzzfeed report - which is why I jumped off the couch when Anderson Cooper said CNN doesn't link to it. And FWIW, there's a guy out there on the Blaze forum who seems very credible and says that his browser history shows him from going from CNN to Buzzfeed on the morning of the 11th.  

This seems solid.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

CNN changed the link.  That link before Jan. 11, 4:21 pm took you directly to the Buzzfeed report.  CNN has a running edit on their articles.  After the Trump press conference they got spooked and created the Money article.  If you notice, CNN never said, "We never linked to the Buzzfeed report".  They always went out of their way to say that they do not link to the Buzzfeed article (present tense).  They are lying sacks of ####.  Believe what you want, but that link existed exactly as written before 4:21 pm on the 11th.  And if it didn't take you to the Money article, where do you think it took you?

Wow.  If your version of the story is correct, CNN is basically Hitler for saying they aren't linking to a story they aren't linking to.  

It's a good thing everyone who cares this much about truth and accuracy didn't vote for a pathological liar for President.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

So Trump is verifiably lying to the American people, and he is also throwing the US intelligence community under the bus before even being inaugurated?

 

[fatness]

No, it is a link to the CNN story that says that Buzzfeed published the report.

Thanks. So it was 3 clicks away from the actual 35-page report instead of 2 like I thought.

 

[Higgs]

Well if a guy's browser history on the blaze forum isn't proof then I don't know what is.  Has he called breitbart yet with this juicy bit of intel?

Not that you'd care, but Blaze is anti-Trump.  Pretty fiercely I might add.

 

[culdeus]

Not that you'd care, but Blaze is anti-Trump.  Pretty fiercely I might add.

I don't.  And you are full of #### for running this stupid thing into the ground for 2 days.  

 

[Higgs]

I don't.  And you are full of #### for running this stupid thing into the ground for 2 days.  

 Jesus chill out dude.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Wow.  If your version of the story is correct, CNN is basically Hitler for saying they aren't linking to a story they aren't linking to.  

It's a good thing everyone who cares this much about truth and accuracy didn't vote for a pathological liar for President.

So we all voted for Gary Johnson? Too bad the rest of America wasn't as smart as the FFA. 

 

[The Commish]

You're wading into BFS territory here trying to make more of what I said than what I actually said.  The bold was never my argument.  I said the government is happy with it being complicated.  However, our tax structure in this country, for the common person, might as well be written in Greek.  It's incredibly cumbersome and often times illogical, but if you're going to ask me to prove that the government did it this way for the purpose of diminishing the ability of people to understand, I won't.  That's not my argument.  That's something you've come up with on your own. 

OK, I guess when you say stuff like "the government is happy with it being complicated" I concluded that you meant that there was a deliberate choice to make it complicated.

There are lots of reasons why the tax code is complicated.  I don't think one of those reasons is complexity just for the #### of it.

It's probably more accurate to say that I think the government is in no hurry to clear up the confusion as it provides them a certain level of "cover" to avoid doing the needful.  Yes, there are lots of reasons why the tax code is complicated, but i struggle to find significant validity in most of those reasons.  I think they see the "complexity" as an unintended benefit rather than a predetermined goal.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I don't.  And you are full of #### for running this stupid thing into the ground for 2 days.  

Back off the 1,000 mg of Test you`re taking once a week lol

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Yes, there are lots of reasons why the tax code is complicated, but i struggle to find significant validity in most of those reasons.  

Oh, I wasn't implying that all the reasons are good reasons.  A lot of the complexity is due to some special interest successfully lobbying to get preferred treatment.  Whatever, we've gone far enough down this path.

 

[Courtjester]

I agree with you. Nothing will come of this.

But that being said, Trump's petulant reaction gives me great cause for concern, given the fact that he's about to assume the role of the world's most powerful person. Do you share this concern?

But on the Trump scale of petulance responses from one being the lowest-- to ten being his reaction about the size of his hands, I can't seem to gauge where this falls. 

I don't doubt the guy, who prepared the report, credentials at all. The thing that jumps out to me is CNN--the network who has run some of the most blatantly false and inflammatory stories against Trump, isn't running with it and is actively distancing themselves from it. To me, that's a huge red flag. 

 

[adonis]

Good point.  I'm just hung up on the idea that CNN would change a link, then obfuscate the issue on the air to Conway and in follow up articles and tweets.  I mean that is pretty bad if indeed it happened.  Technically they never lied per se, because they always spoke carefully in present tense terms, but it's real dirty and not becoming of a major news organization.

It's an interesting mystery that I'm not sure will ever be solved.  There really is no way to look back in time and see if they linked to the article as me and several others recollect.  I was sober on Wednesday, and when I'm sober I'm surprisingly accurate , and I was almost certain that CNN linked directly to the Buzzfeed report - which is why I jumped off the couch when Anderson Cooper said CNN doesn't link to it. And FWIW, there's a guy out there on the Blaze forum who seems very credible and says that his browser history shows him from going from CNN to Buzzfeed on the morning of the 11th.  

I'm pretty sure there are sites on the internet that archive various webpages at various points in time.  They do this with twitter when folks make a comment and then delete it.  I think it's done with archiving versions of websites too.  I'm too busy right now to search for it, but if you try you might be able to find something that can help you see what a various page looked like at a specific point in time.

 

[Card Trader]

I don't.  And you are full of #### for running this stupid thing into the ground for 2 days.  

This guy 

 

[culdeus]

This guy 

Just making sure you think it's fine to spam this forum with garbage for 2 days because some guy on a forum has consecutive hits between cnn and buzzfeed, and frothing at the mouth at a Anderson Cooper piece.  I mean the guy probably hit three different threads with this garbage about once a page with nothing at all to back it up, because it was utter bull####.  

 

[Card Trader]

Just making sure you think it's fine to spam this forum with garbage for 2 days because some guy on a forum has consecutive hits between cnn and buzzfeed, and frothing at the mouth at a Anderson Cooper piece.  I mean the guy probably hit three different threads with this garbage about once a page with nothing at all to back it up, because it was utter bull####.  

You should get more angry IMO, this is a total injustice!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And FWIW, there's a guy out there on the Blaze forum who seems very credible and says that his browser history shows him from going from CNN to Buzzfeed on the morning of the 11th. 

I'm not going to write off right wing media, bloggers or advocate posters, but the key here for anyone doing this is getting a screenshot of the link. Such an image doesn't exist apparently, from Treehouse to Breitbart and everything in between, so I think it's fair to say it did not happen.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Higgs my guess is when/if KAC says CNN 'linked' to BuzzFeed what she means is CNN referenced or referred to the dossier report at BuzzFeed, they did not 'link' to it. This happens a lot with the Trump krewe, it's a thin line between incompetence and deception. I'll be willing to grant KAC just used the wrong term.

 

[Higgs]

Higgs my guess is when/if KAC says CNN 'linked' to BuzzFeed what she means is CNN referenced or referred to the dossier report at BuzzFeed, they did not 'link' to it. This happens a lot with the Trump krewe, it's a thin line between incompetence and deception. I'll be willing to grant KAC just used the wrong term.

It's possible Saint.  I conceded as much.  But like I said from the start, I am 90% certain I saw a link on CNN directly to the Buzzfeed report.  Just thought it was an interesting aside to the issue.  We lament about a "post truth" world where facts don't matter.  I just find it interesting, that's all.  Not trying to score any points here.  I'm really really not.  I'll drop it now as some people on here are annoyed by it.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Just making sure you think it's fine to spam this forum with garbage for 2 days because some guy on a forum has consecutive hits between cnn and buzzfeed, and frothing at the mouth at a Anderson Cooper piece.  I mean the guy probably hit three different threads with this garbage about once a page with nothing at all to back it up, because it was utter bull####.  

This whole thread is mostly spam and people trying to win the internet 

 

[Joe Summer]

Higgs:

CNN changed the link. That link before Jan. 11, 4:21 pm took you directly to the Buzzfeed report.

Here is the cache of the CNN story from 7:49 a.m. on the 11th. Notice that it does not even mention the Buzzfeed story.

Here is the cache of the same CNN story from 2:58 p.m. on the 11th. Hold your mouse over the part where it says "since been published by Buzzfeed". Note that it points to the same CNN story that Henry mentioned.

So, while it is theoretically possible that CNN briefly linked to the Buzzfeed story between 7:49 a.m. and 2:58 p.m., there is no evidence supporting that claim.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's possible Saint.  I conceded as much.  But like I said from the start, I am 90% certain I saw a link on CNN directly to the Buzzfeed report.  Just thought it was an interesting aside to the issue.  We lament about a "post truth" world where facts don't matter.  I just find it interesting, that's all.  Not trying to score any points here.  I'm really really not.  I'll drop it now as some people on here are annoyed by it.

No it's ok, I get it, it's an interesting point if Cooper was defending something that was incorrect. And it would not surprise me if at some point CNN did link to it. I don't think the dossier itself is a problem, it's a thing that exists so BF reported on it, and CNN may have reported on BF's report.

Really I think Trump & Co. are trying to muddy the waters by creating shaky claims about who put it out and what they represented about it.

 

[Higgs]

Thanks for the effort summer. 

Like I said, not worth pursuing any further imo.  The key aspect of this story, as far as I am concerned, is that CNN was probably ok in publishing the story - even if they linked to the Buzzfeed article.  I agree with Tobias in this respect.

 

[jamny]

Yeah, check out The Blaze forum. I think the guy goes by the screen name Schmiggs

 

[Dickies]

CNN changed the link.  That link before Jan. 11, 4:21 pm took you directly to the Buzzfeed report.  CNN has a running edit on their articles.  After the Trump press conference they got spooked and created the Money article.  If you notice, CNN never said, "We never linked to the Buzzfeed report".  They always went out of their way to say that they do not link to the Buzzfeed article (present tense).  They are lying sacks of ####.  Believe what you want, but that link existed exactly as written before 4:21 pm on the 11th.  And if it didn't take you to the Money article, where do you think it took you?

This seems like a very minor thing to qualify them as lying sacks of ####.

 

[Dickies]

But on the Trump scale of petulance responses from one being the lowest-- to ten being his reaction about the size of his hands, I can't seem to gauge where this falls. 

I don't doubt the guy, who prepared the report, credentials at all. The thing that jumps out to me is CNN--the network who has run some of the most blatantly false and inflammatory stories against Trump, isn't running with it and is actively distancing themselves from it. To me, that's a huge red flag. 

Links?

 

[badmojo1006]

So just to be clear, a report prepared at the request of his political rivals by a guy who has now gone into hiding,containing unverified reports of completely  unverifiable incidents in which CNN is doing all they can to distance themselves from is going to force the president to be removed, but saying "grab them by the &@@@@" on video wasn't enough to disqualify him? 

Yeah, ain't happening....

I agree with you. Nothing will come of this.

But that being said, Trump's petulant reaction gives me great cause for concern, given the fact that he's about to assume the role of the world's most powerful person. Do you share this concern?

He will never get out of campaign mode and he will never grow up

 

[Dickies]

Just making sure you think it's fine to spam this forum with garbage for 2 days because some guy on a forum has consecutive hits between cnn and buzzfeed, and frothing at the mouth at a Anderson Cooper piece.  I mean the guy probably hit three different threads with this garbage about once a page with nothing at all to back it up, because it was utter bull####.  

Chill.  Higgs seems like a good dude, and comes across as empathetic towards many of the concerns discussed in this thread.  He actually will discuss issues with people and answer questions instead of running away and posting  .  He's an asset to the political threads IMHO

 

[urbanhack]

But on the Trump scale of petulance responses from one being the lowest-- to ten being his reaction about the size of his hands, I can't seem to gauge where this falls. 

I don't doubt the guy, who prepared the report, credentials at all. The thing that jumps out to me is CNN--the network who has run some of the most blatantly false and inflammatory stories against Trump, isn't running with it and is actively distancing themselves from it. To me, that's a huge red flag. 

Examples??????

 

[joffer]

Examples??????

Reporting what he says. Not what's in his heart. Bastards.