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[Jiggyonthehut]

People forget that Owens is 33 years old. As physically impressive he is, old is old. I'd be concerned, as severe hamstring injuries can hamper a whole season, ask Joe Horn.

While he's of course a veteran, this is also his first year in a non-West Coast Offense. He could use all the time he can get to adjust I would think. There's no way to spin this that's not bad news for the Cowboys (and TO owners). The question is, how bad is it?

Hello redman,I've been following the camp very closely, here's my observation of the situation.

#1. Before the "so call" injury took place. Elderado was having a very good camp. He caught the majority of the passes that came his way.

#2. This "so call" injury just came from no where. It wasn't during a playing or while he was running.........it just showed up.

#3. If I had Elderado on my roster, I wouldn't worry about the "so call" injury..........it'The Allen Iverson Effect (Practice.........it's practice).

#4. How every, I believe, once again it's just a ploy to get out of playing and practice. Nothing more, nothing less. AS one fan you don't like the idea of Elderado being a Cowboy, it pains me to say that no matter what he'll be ready for the season.

FWIW, I'm still not sure who he's referring to. John Wayne?

 

[Raskell5]

Please don't ever write Elderado again.

 

[texasheat]

That was strange. I guess there's a rift developing between Parcells & TO.

I didn't see the press conference. I am curious to why you believe there is a rift between TO and Parcells based on what went on at the press conference. It just appears that the Cowboys are keeping him out for the preseason due to an injury--not due to any friction between Parcells and TO. Why do you think otherwise?

I must admit I didn't get to listen real closely to the press conference. I'm basically going by what the network guys said after the press conference (insinuating Parcells doesn't like this type of thing, etc.). Also, the whole dynamics of the press conference kinda made me think there was something there. Definitely take what I say with a grain of salt, though (but like I mentioned, the network guys seemed to think there was a rift between Parcells & TO, as well).

I saw a brief clip of the press conference on ESPN. In it, Parcells is basically chastising the media for trying to find a rift where there is none.

Exactly, the media at camp is hanging on every word from every player and coach trying to find something wrong with the situation, and most non-Cowboy fans are doing the same. The guy is injured, and knows playing in Sept is more important that playing this Saturday.

 

[This_Is_Not_VRR]

Can anybody honestly say T.O. has been a 100% healthy since the Super Bowl game?

He's been battling with hamstring issues for years now. This is a non-story.TO is a gamer. His pain tolerance is off of the charts. He'll be fine.

 

[Bri]

Parcells, BB and countless others do NOT permit players to speak about injuries. TO did. My guess is that's this rift you guys are looking for.

Personally, I figured he'd have to tell TO to shhh some time so....

 

[menobrown]

I read some rumor on a Pittsburgh Steeler message board from poster claiming to have information from a trusted source that TO was upset with the signing bonuses doled out to Jason Whitten and Roy Williams and was trying to renegotiate some incentive clauses in his contract and unhappy with the results was now playing up the hammy injury.

My guess is this is a bogus rumor but speculation is mounting by some that something is amiss with the TO situation.

 

[redman]

The problem with TO is that he's so image conscious that speculation from the media, no matter how off-base, becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Remember, this is the clown who took totally innocuous comments from McNabb about being able to win the Super Bowl without TO and turned that into WWIII.

This situation is going to eat at Parcells all year, and the erosion is already beginning.

 

[duke21]

Last year TO did the same thing. He said he had an injured ankle and that he won't be playing in a preseason game and this made things get worse in Philly.

FWIW, last year he was on the injury report 5 weeks. 4 as probable and he played each week. 1 as Questionable and he didn't play (ankle, week 9).

Doesn't anyone remember when he told the news that he would not be playing a certain preseason game and he could be out all preseason? It was considered that he was doing it to get his new contract.

 

[Bri]

The problem with TO is that he's so image conscious that speculation from the media, no matter how off-base, becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Remember, this is the clown who took totally innocuous comments from McNabb about being able to win the Super Bowl without TO and turned that into WWIII. This situation is going to eat at Parcells all year, and the erosion is already beginning.

He dealt with LT just fine. I don't think TO can ruin this team as easily as others.

 

[fatness]

Doesn't anyone remember when he told the news that he would not be playing a certain preseason game and he could be out all preseason? It was considered that he was doing it to get his new contract.

But "this is Dallas" where "things will be different" because "Parcells knows how to handle him".

 

[BlueOnion]

The problem with TO is that he's so image conscious that speculation from the media, no matter how off-base, becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Remember, this is the clown who took totally innocuous comments from McNabb about being able to win the Super Bowl without TO and turned that into WWIII. This situation is going to eat at Parcells all year, and the erosion is already beginning.

He dealt with LT just fine. I don't think TO can ruin this team as easily as others.

Comparing LT and TO is apples to oranges. I read Belichick's book and he certainly had his own disdain for the 'special rules' being allocated for LT (by Parcells). But Belichick also pointed out, despite LT's off-field actions, he was still the first guy to put his arm around another fallen player, to encourage his teammates to a higher performance and make sure he was still moving in the same direction as the other 51 players on his team.We can compare TO and LT as far as being special players and having some off-the-field distractions, but that is as far as we can take the analogy and the similarities hardly encapsulate LT's overall contribution to the Giants. Every Giant I have heard speak of LT claim he was still the consumate teammate.

 

[BigTex]

Red flag #5. Bill is clearly get pissed at this entire situation, this can't be good.

BigTex, you are rock solild with Poke news. I do not disagree with anything you are saying but my feelings on Red Flag 5...

The local media, which would be those major markets within the Great State of Texas, are really forcing the issue with Parcells in all of his pressers. There have been some dumb...D-U-M-B...questions the last few days. Most...all...are directed at or around Owens. Parcells is old school and he is not going to feed the media beast. Thus, the media is forcing the issue just a tad and Parcells is being difficult to prove a point. That is why the guy is getting fiesty and his elastic Dickie's jumpers are in a bunch.

There is a pissing match going on but I am not sure which one might be bigger...Parcells v. Owens or Parcells v. Media on the matter of T. Owens. Of course, Parcells could come hard with a straight answer and clear this up but that would mean he would be caving to the reporters and that is not going to happen.

No doubt it looks like an Aggie has been in the woodshed, which is a nice way of saying things are pretty well screwed up, and I am curious to see what happens in the next few weeks.

I agree 100%, the Parcells v. the Media will be very interesting. Before Parcells, all the coaches and players were available for inteviews, whether it's during camp, pre-season, regluar season, etc....but now with Parcells, no coach can conduct an interview. The players are afraid to say too much. But now Elderado is in town and he loves to talk to the media.Since Parcells been here, he's been very shrewed to the media and they have been walking on eggshells, looks like it pay back time. The local media is going to be relentless and I believe they would love to see Parcells leave.

 

[BigTex]

People forget that Owens is 33 years old. As physically impressive he is, old is old. I'd be concerned, as severe hamstring injuries can hamper a whole season, ask Joe Horn.

While he's of course a veteran, this is also his first year in a non-West Coast Offense. He could use all the time he can get to adjust I would think. There's no way to spin this that's not bad news for the Cowboys (and TO owners). The question is, how bad is it?

Hello redman,I've been following the camp very closely, here's my observation of the situation.

#1. Before the "so call" injury took place. Elderado was having a very good camp. He caught the majority of the passes that came his way.

#2. This "so call" injury just came from no where. It wasn't during a playing or while he was running.........it just showed up.

#3. If I had Elderado on my roster, I wouldn't worry about the "so call" injury..........it'The Allen Iverson Effect (Practice.........it's practice).

#4. How every, I believe, once again it's just a ploy to get out of playing and practice. Nothing more, nothing less. AS one fan you don't like the idea of Elderado being a Cowboy, it pains me to say that no matter what he'll be ready for the season.

FWIW, I'm still not sure who he's referring to. John Wayne?

T.O.'s middle name is Elderado and that's what some of the local media is calling him.

 

[Bri]

The problem with TO is that he's so image conscious that speculation from the media, no matter how off-base, becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Remember, this is the clown who took totally innocuous comments from McNabb about being able to win the Super Bowl without TO and turned that into WWIII.

This situation is going to eat at Parcells all year, and the erosion is already beginning.

He dealt with LT just fine. I don't think TO can ruin this team as easily as others.

Comparing LT and TO is apples to oranges. I read Belichick's book and he certainly had his own disdain for the 'special rules' being allocated for LT (by Parcells). But Belichick also pointed out, despite LT's off-field actions, he was still the first guy to put his arm around another fallen player, to encourage his teammates to a higher performance and make sure he was still moving in the same direction as the other 51 players on his team.We can compare TO and LT as far as being special players and having some off-the-field distractions, but that is as far as we can take the analogy and the similarities hardly encapsulate LT's overall contribution to the Giants. Every Giant I have heard speak of LT claim he was still the consumate teammate.

that is all I'm saying, bolded part. I replied to "redman" saying this will be eating at Parcells all year. I just don't think so. Further, the Terry Glenn she comments were a huge deal all year and Glenn had one of the better rookie years ever for a WR. I wouldn't imagine Meshawn's big mouth was easy for any coach to deal with. His rift between he and Chrebet was dopey too. IMO No coach that's been thru all that(and all not stated) is gonna let TO erode the team and eat at him all year.Couple posts back I stated that I thought the rift was simple-Parcells doesn't allow players to speak to the media about injuries. TO did and Parcells seems miffed. Well, TOs about to get barked at but then I think this brief episode will be over.

There might be another episode, probably so, but he'll put that to bed too.

I never said TO and LT were the same people or the same player

 

[redman]

The problem with TO is that he's so image conscious that speculation from the media, no matter how off-base, becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Remember, this is the clown who took totally innocuous comments from McNabb about being able to win the Super Bowl without TO and turned that into WWIII.

This situation is going to eat at Parcells all year, and the erosion is already beginning.

He dealt with LT just fine. I don't think TO can ruin this team as easily as others.

Comparing LT and TO is apples to oranges. I read Belichick's book and he certainly had his own disdain for the 'special rules' being allocated for LT (by Parcells). But Belichick also pointed out, despite LT's off-field actions, he was still the first guy to put his arm around another fallen player, to encourage his teammates to a higher performance and make sure he was still moving in the same direction as the other 51 players on his team.We can compare TO and LT as far as being special players and having some off-the-field distractions, but that is as far as we can take the analogy and the similarities hardly encapsulate LT's overall contribution to the Giants. Every Giant I have heard speak of LT claim he was still the consumate teammate.

that is all I'm saying, bolded part. I replied to "redman" saying this will be eating at Parcells all year. I just don't think so. Further, the Terry Glenn she comments were a huge deal all year and Glenn had one of the better rookie years ever for a WR. I wouldn't imagine Meshawn's big mouth was easy for any coach to deal with. His rift between he and Chrebet was dopey too. IMO No coach that's been thru all that(and all not stated) is gonna let TO erode the team and eat at him all year.Couple posts back I stated that I thought the rift was simple-Parcells doesn't allow players to speak to the media about injuries. TO did and Parcells seems miffed. Well, TOs about to get barked at but then I think this brief episode will be over.

There might be another episode, probably so, but he'll put that to bed too.

I never said TO and LT were the same people or the same player

When you can show me anything comparable to what TO did and said publicly towards Garcia, and to an even greater extent with McNabb, then I'll start buying it. None of the guys you mentioned, whatever else their faults were, ripped on the skills or effort of a key player on their team publicly. The closest example I can think of was Keyshawn with Wayne Chrebet (the "flashlight" comment), which occurred after he left the Jets. Parcells is about control, and nobody before has dared to square off with him. The problem is that Parcells can't control the media (which he also tries to do, largely through intimidation and limiting the release of information) if a player goes directly to the media himself. I don't suppose you're going to tell me that TO isn't capable of doing just that, are you?

 

[Bri]

The problem with TO is that he's so image conscious that speculation from the media, no matter how off-base, becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Remember, this is the clown who took totally innocuous comments from McNabb about being able to win the Super Bowl without TO and turned that into WWIII.

This situation is going to eat at Parcells all year, and the erosion is already beginning.

He dealt with LT just fine. I don't think TO can ruin this team as easily as others.

Comparing LT and TO is apples to oranges. I read Belichick's book and he certainly had his own disdain for the 'special rules' being allocated for LT (by Parcells). But Belichick also pointed out, despite LT's off-field actions, he was still the first guy to put his arm around another fallen player, to encourage his teammates to a higher performance and make sure he was still moving in the same direction as the other 51 players on his team.We can compare TO and LT as far as being special players and having some off-the-field distractions, but that is as far as we can take the analogy and the similarities hardly encapsulate LT's overall contribution to the Giants. Every Giant I have heard speak of LT claim he was still the consumate teammate.

that is all I'm saying, bolded part. I replied to "redman" saying this will be eating at Parcells all year. I just don't think so. Further, the Terry Glenn she comments were a huge deal all year and Glenn had one of the better rookie years ever for a WR. I wouldn't imagine Meshawn's big mouth was easy for any coach to deal with. His rift between he and Chrebet was dopey too. IMO No coach that's been thru all that(and all not stated) is gonna let TO erode the team and eat at him all year.Couple posts back I stated that I thought the rift was simple-Parcells doesn't allow players to speak to the media about injuries. TO did and Parcells seems miffed. Well, TOs about to get barked at but then I think this brief episode will be over.

There might be another episode, probably so, but he'll put that to bed too.

I never said TO and LT were the same people or the same player

When you can show me anything comparable to what TO did and said publicly towards Garcia, and to an even greater extent with McNabb, then I'll start buying it. None of the guys you mentioned, whatever else their faults were, ripped on the skills or effort of a key player on their team publicly. The closest example I can think of was Keyshawn with Wayne Chrebet (the "flashlight" comment), which occurred after he left the Jets. Parcells is about control, and nobody before has dared to square off with him. The problem is that Parcells can't control the media (which he also tries to do, largely through intimidation and limiting the release of information) if a player goes directly to the media himself. I don't suppose you're going to tell me that TO isn't capable of doing just that, are you?

for clarity, I mentioned talk to the media about injuries, they are allowed to talk to the media.Let's switch to BB for a sec. Dillon is "mouthy" in Cincy and goes there and he follows the rules about talking to the media. Why? What drives him to stop? team unity? fines by the coach/team? I'm not so sure but he did stop. Something happens but what that is I'm not sure of.

Like BB and Parcells, Mangini has set the same rules with the Jets.

see Coles here, just give it a quick read please

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/441885p-372199c.html

It's different coach, same rule, same coaching "tree" quickest example I can find. Coles is trying to be careful about what he says and doesn't say....the rules.

Curtis Martin's injury is huge news in NY now right? look here

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/441881p-372192c.html

no player is giving up anything and Mangini isn't either, it's 100% opinion and the writer making something out of that.

It's their rule those coaches expect players to followthat's all.

As for Meshawn, he insulted Chrebet plenty before the flashlight stuff. The comparing a flashlight to a star comment was during Al Groh's tenure. No clue what this has to do with talking about injuries though

 

[Bri]

Parcells is about control, and nobody before has dared to square off with him.

this is not true at all. People have and were eventually sent packing. Heck a Dallas Cowboy WR did-Antonio Bryanthttp://www.publiustx.net/item/1283

Again, you guys are going off on tangents, not me. All I mentioned was Parcells has a rule about not talking about injuries to the media and that is probably why he was miffed. Everyone else, not me, made this into a big deal (here and in the media)and irritated Parcells.

Then it's that this will eat at Parcells all year and...it won't, he's been down this road before with loud mouthed players that insist on doing their own thing.

LT, Meshawn, Bryant...he's had his share of loud mouths. Every coach probably has had their share. Maybe it would eat at a rookie coach all year but not someone that has dealt with personalities like this before.

re-LT being a good teammate. I never said he wasn't. I never said TO wasn't either.

tangents, all tangents on things I never said