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Turbo Tax Turns Off State E-Filing Due to Fraud (1 Viewer)

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2015/02/06/turbotax-state-filings-halted/22979519/

More to come on this, since it seems like a majority of people who self-prepare use Turbo Tax. Identity thieves that can get access to your W-2 either electronically or in hard copy are filing fraudulent returns in the victim's name and stealing the direct deposit refund (if a refund is calculated) before the victim gets around to filing their taxes.

Articles like this make me lose faith in humanity. Hopefully Turbo Tax and state governments figure this out, I use it personally. Just another reminder to keep your W-2, etc. personal information as secure as possible.

 
Just finished filing my return on turbo tax this morning, and now that I think of it... if somebody had the ability to log in to my turbotax account, they basically could have filled out everything however they wanted to, TT re-used my personal info and PIN from last year so I didn't need that, and then could have had a refund mailed anywhere they wanted.

Hopefully some of the confirmation, self-check steps would have somehow caught this.. but wow.

 
60 minutes did a piece on this not too long ago. Wasn't just for state taxes though. Lots of federal fraud going on too. People just submitting fake tax returns everywhere.

 
60 minutes did a piece on this not too long ago. Wasn't just for state taxes though. Lots of federal fraud going on too. People just submitting fake tax returns everywhere.
Gets worse every year. My understanding is that the most recent fraudster move has been to open a bank account, file a bunch of fraudulent returns right off the bat, have the refunds direct deposited into the account, and then close the account. Direct deposit refunds are processed before anyone actually examines the returns, and by the time the IRS figures it out, the bank accounts are closed and they can't get the money back.

They instituted a policy this year where you can only have a small number of refunds direct deposited into a certain bank account. It's like 3 or 5, I can't remember offhand. Anything more than that and the IRS will disallow the direct deposit.,

 
60 minutes did a piece on this not too long ago. Wasn't just for state taxes though. Lots of federal fraud going on too. People just submitting fake tax returns everywhere.
Local news did a story on this last week as well, only talking about the fed returns being filed, didn't mention state returns. Seems like a real crappy deal by the feds, their policy appears to be by the story that the first filer gets the return. When the legit filer files, they are SOL with no recourse. That's pretty lame.

 
I don't know about other states, but Ohio has added an additional security measure for state returns. After submitting your state return, you will be mailed a letter with a URL. You go to that URL, take a quiz which has questions only you should be able to answer, THEN your refund is sent to you.

I've seen people #####ing about it on Facebook because it's delaying the returns by a couple weeks. Idiots don't realize it's to protect them.

 
60 minutes did a piece on this not too long ago. Wasn't just for state taxes though. Lots of federal fraud going on too. People just submitting fake tax returns everywhere.
Local news did a story on this last week as well, only talking about the fed returns being filed, didn't mention state returns. Seems like a real crappy deal by the feds, their policy appears to be by the story that the first filer gets the return. When the legit filer files, they are SOL with no recourse. That's pretty lame.
:goodposting: This could get ugly.

 
60 minutes did a piece on this not too long ago. Wasn't just for state taxes though. Lots of federal fraud going on too. People just submitting fake tax returns everywhere.
Local news did a story on this last week as well, only talking about the fed returns being filed, didn't mention state returns. Seems like a real crappy deal by the feds, their policy appears to be by the story that the first filer gets the return. When the legit filer files, they are SOL with no recourse. That's pretty lame.
What happens if the fraudulent filer sends in and you actually owe money? Who do they come looking for?

 
60 minutes did a piece on this not too long ago. Wasn't just for state taxes though. Lots of federal fraud going on too. People just submitting fake tax returns everywhere.
Local news did a story on this last week as well, only talking about the fed returns being filed, didn't mention state returns. Seems like a real crappy deal by the feds, their policy appears to be by the story that the first filer gets the return. When the legit filer files, they are SOL with no recourse. That's pretty lame.
What happens if the fraudulent filer sends in and you actually owe money? Who do they come looking for?
they fill out fake tax returns. they aren't submitting fake returns that show them owing money.

 
60 minutes did a piece on this not too long ago. Wasn't just for state taxes though. Lots of federal fraud going on too. People just submitting fake tax returns everywhere.
Local news did a story on this last week as well, only talking about the fed returns being filed, didn't mention state returns. Seems like a real crappy deal by the feds, their policy appears to be by the story that the first filer gets the return. When the legit filer files, they are SOL with no recourse. That's pretty lame.
:goodposting: This could get ugly.
I've been through this. I don't want to get into the details here, but the bottom line is it really sucks.

 
60 minutes did a piece on this not too long ago. Wasn't just for state taxes though. Lots of federal fraud going on too. People just submitting fake tax returns everywhere.
Local news did a story on this last week as well, only talking about the fed returns being filed, didn't mention state returns. Seems like a real crappy deal by the feds, their policy appears to be by the story that the first filer gets the return. When the legit filer files, they are SOL with no recourse. That's pretty lame.
:goodposting: This could get ugly.
This isn't true at all.

The IRS has a specific form designed for people who believe they've been a victim of identity theft for their taxes, Form 14039. And in fact, the IRS actually notifies taxpayers when they believe fraud might be occurring. I've seen taxpayers receive notices that someone may have fraudulently claimed one of their children as a dependent, that someone has filed a return with their SSN and the refund going into what they think may be a fraudulent account, possible fraudulent changes of address, etc.

The IRS may have plenty of faults and may be short-staffed, but by no means do they sit back and say "screw you, taxpayer" if they believe identity theft occurred. Many laypeople look at the IRS as some sort of scary boogeyman, but they're in general quite reasonable when it comes to making sure taxpayers are treated fairly.

 
60 minutes did a piece on this not too long ago. Wasn't just for state taxes though. Lots of federal fraud going on too. People just submitting fake tax returns everywhere.
Local news did a story on this last week as well, only talking about the fed returns being filed, didn't mention state returns. Seems like a real crappy deal by the feds, their policy appears to be by the story that the first filer gets the return. When the legit filer files, they are SOL with no recourse. That's pretty lame.
What happens if the fraudulent filer sends in and you actually owe money? Who do they come looking for?
they fill out fake tax returns. they aren't submitting fake returns that show them owing money.
:facepalm:

I get it now.

 
60 minutes did a piece on this not too long ago. Wasn't just for state taxes though. Lots of federal fraud going on too. People just submitting fake tax returns everywhere.
Local news did a story on this last week as well, only talking about the fed returns being filed, didn't mention state returns. Seems like a real crappy deal by the feds, their policy appears to be by the story that the first filer gets the return. When the legit filer files, they are SOL with no recourse. That's pretty lame.
:goodposting: This could get ugly.
I've been through this. I don't want to get into the details here, but the bottom line is it really sucks.
Recently? I'd love to hear the details if you'd like to share. I've seen taxpayers go through this process without a problem thus far. It does take longer to have money refunded, that is true, because the IRS analyzes these things with a fine-tooth comb.

 
60 minutes did a piece on this not too long ago. Wasn't just for state taxes though. Lots of federal fraud going on too. People just submitting fake tax returns everywhere.
Local news did a story on this last week as well, only talking about the fed returns being filed, didn't mention state returns. Seems like a real crappy deal by the feds, their policy appears to be by the story that the first filer gets the return. When the legit filer files, they are SOL with no recourse. That's pretty lame.
:goodposting: This could get ugly.
I've been through this. I don't want to get into the details here, but the bottom line is it really sucks.
Recently? I'd love to hear the details if you'd like to share. I've seen taxpayers go through this process without a problem thus far. It does take longer to have money refunded, that is true, because the IRS analyzes these things with a fine-tooth comb.
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60 minutes did a piece on this not too long ago. Wasn't just for state taxes though. Lots of federal fraud going on too. People just submitting fake tax returns everywhere.
Local news did a story on this last week as well, only talking about the fed returns being filed, didn't mention state returns. Seems like a real crappy deal by the feds, their policy appears to be by the story that the first filer gets the return. When the legit filer files, they are SOL with no recourse. That's pretty lame.
:goodposting: This could get ugly.
This isn't true at all.

The IRS has a specific form designed for people who believe they've been a victim of identity theft for their taxes, Form 14039. And in fact, the IRS actually notifies taxpayers when they believe fraud might be occurring. I've seen taxpayers receive notices that someone may have fraudulently claimed one of their children as a dependent, that someone has filed a return with their SSN and the refund going into what they think may be a fraudulent account, possible fraudulent changes of address, etc.

The IRS may have plenty of faults and may be short-staffed, but by no means do they sit back and say "screw you, taxpayer" if they believe identity theft occurred. Many laypeople look at the IRS as some sort of scary boogeyman, but they're in general quite reasonable when it comes to making sure taxpayers are treated fairly.
If that's true, then this story was horribly innacurate. They talked to a few people who had this happen to them. They even talked to one of our congresspeople. None of them gave any indication of the process one could go through to get it fixed. Of course it is local news so the whole thing could be sensationalized.

 
Direct deposit refunds are processed before anyone actually examines the returns ...
This is confusing to me. Really? Am I missing something?
My understanding is that when a tax return is filed, it is validated electronically. If there's a math error or some other obvious error, it is kicked back to the taxpayer with a computer-generated notice. These are common. If the "computer validation" goes through, the refund process is initiated. Information returns - such as W-2s, 1099s - are not required to be filed with the IRS until the end of February, but are required to be to the recipient by the end of January. Thus you have a number of taxpayers getting their W-2s early when the IRS may not have access to the full records. Or you have fraudsters claiming earned income credits, child tax credits, whatever. These fraudsters often try to file these returns ASAP, claiming refunds right off the bat. If nothing jumps out to the IRS as blatantly wrong, the IRS issues the refund.

Then, presumably a little later on, the IRS gets a hold of the correct W-2, taxpayer's correct information, etc., and puts a stop on the refund. The scammers, however, have already cashed out the account and the account is closed.

ETA - I don't work for the IRS. This may not entirely be 100% accurate, but it is what I've picked up from a few years of dealing with the IRS formally and informally. YMMV.

 
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good. waste of time and money. My state is super easy to file on their website and Turbotax is always giving me those messages about submitting the state and paying extra.

 
If that's true, then this story was horribly innacurate. They talked to a few people who had this happen to them. They even talked to one of our congresspeople. None of them gave any indication of the process one could go through to get it fixed. Of course it is local news so the whole thing could be sensationalized.
I don't doubt that it is a total nightmare to get it resolved. The IRS is remarkably short-staffed and these cases aren't easy. It's probably a mixture of some truth and some sensationalism. Maybe a case or two gone wrong.

 
According to that 60 Minutes piece mentioned, it's not stolen W2s, but stolen names, socials and addresses. If a thief beats the real person in filing, they can make up a W2 and our government pays the refund before checking.

 
You don't even actually need to have received a W-2 to submit a tax return, just the year end paycheck stub.

Or that's how it was when I did rapid tax in the mall a dozen years ago anyway. They just need the numbers.

 
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You don't even actually need to have received a W-2 to submit a tax return, just the year end paycheck stub.

Or that's how it was when I did rapid tax in the mall a dozen years ago anyway. They just need the numbers.
People committing fraud generally don't use a real W-2 anyway. If they get an individual's name, address and SSN and any company's EIN they can file a simple return with let's say $20,000 of W-2 income and $7,000 of tax withheld even though no such W-2 form exists. Most of the fake $7,000 would be refunded.

As Steve Tasker mentioned, the IRS doesn't have the ability to verify the accuracy of the W-2 when the fraudulent return is filed since employers are not required to file them until the end of February, so it issues a refund more or less on the honor system.

The easy solution is to delay processing refunds until W-2's are filed and verified but that would be extremely unpopular with most taxpayers.

 
You don't even actually need to have received a W-2 to submit a tax return, just the year end paycheck stub.

Or that's how it was when I did rapid tax in the mall a dozen years ago anyway. They just need the numbers.
People committing fraud generally don't use a real W-2 anyway. If they get an individual's name, address and SSN and any company's EIN they can file a simple return with let's say $20,000 of W-2 income and $7,000 of tax withheld even though no such W-2 form exists. Most of the fake $7,000 would be refunded.

As Steve Tasker mentioned, the IRS doesn't have the ability to verify the accuracy of the W-2 when the fraudulent return is filed since employers are not required to file them until the end of February, so it issues a refund more or less on the honor system.

The easy solution is to delay processing refunds until W-2's are filed and verified but that would be extremely unpopular with most taxpayers.
I'm with you here. I think the public will come around if enough people are defrauded. Which in itself is terrible, but with the above said, I'm surprised it's taken this long for thieves to uncover and exploit this scheme to the point of news coverage.

 
You don't even actually need to have received a W-2 to submit a tax return, just the year end paycheck stub.

Or that's how it was when I did rapid tax in the mall a dozen years ago anyway. They just need the numbers.
People committing fraud generally don't use a real W-2 anyway. If they get an individual's name, address and SSN and any company's EIN they can file a simple return with let's say $20,000 of W-2 income and $7,000 of tax withheld even though no such W-2 form exists. Most of the fake $7,000 would be refunded.

As Steve Tasker mentioned, the IRS doesn't have the ability to verify the accuracy of the W-2 when the fraudulent return is filed since employers are not required to file them until the end of February, so it issues a refund more or less on the honor system.

The easy solution is to delay processing refunds until W-2's are filed and verified but that would be extremely unpopular with most taxpayers.
The easly solution would be to require employers to file them with the IRS at the same time they are provided to employees. Then the verification can be done as soon as the returns come in.

 
You don't even actually need to have received a W-2 to submit a tax return, just the year end paycheck stub.

Or that's how it was when I did rapid tax in the mall a dozen years ago anyway. They just need the numbers.
People committing fraud generally don't use a real W-2 anyway. If they get an individual's name, address and SSN and any company's EIN they can file a simple return with let's say $20,000 of W-2 income and $7,000 of tax withheld even though no such W-2 form exists. Most of the fake $7,000 would be refunded.

As Steve Tasker mentioned, the IRS doesn't have the ability to verify the accuracy of the W-2 when the fraudulent return is filed since employers are not required to file them until the end of February, so it issues a refund more or less on the honor system.

The easy solution is to delay processing refunds until W-2's are filed and verified but that would be extremely unpopular with most taxpayers.
The easly solution would be to require employers to file them with the IRS at the same time they are provided to employees. Then the verification can be done as soon as the returns come in.
I'm not sure it would matter. W-2's get filed with the Social Security Administration and the data is made available to the IRS but I don't know how long this takes or how the process works. Either way, I doubt the information would be processed and available to verify quickly enough to avoid delaying refunds. I have seen anecdotal evidence that the IRS doesn't have access to W-2 information until at least April or May.

Also, the reason employers are given an extra month is to afford them the opportunity to make corrections before filing. If employers had to file by 1/31, I imagine there would be a significant increase in corrected W-2 forms to process.

 
They instituted a policy this year where you can only have a small number of refunds direct deposited into a certain bank account. It's like 3 or 5, I can't remember offhand. Anything more than that and the IRS will disallow the direct deposit.,
Serious question, can anyone think of a reason why you would ever need more than 2 refunds directly deposited to the same account? Other than a husband and wife filing separately I don't get it. :shrug:

Maybe kids refunds going to a parents account, but even that seems like the name on the tax return should match one of the account owners before they issue the refund.

 
I've used TT without a hitch for many years. In fact, I just bought my 2015 disc a couple of days ago. Honestly, I think the last time I didn't use TT was so long ago that I mailed in the 1040EZ form.

So, in MN, for example, is it just TurboTax that the state has decided to stop accepting, or is it online returns in general? In other words, can I just use a different return software, or do I have to file hard copies?

 
So, in MN, for example, is it just TurboTax that the state has decided to stop accepting, or is it online returns in general? In other words, can I just use a different return software, or do I have to file hard copies?
the State(s) aren't the ones who stopped anything here. It was TurboTax.

TurboTax turned off the ability of its software to e-file state tax returns across the USA
So, yes, I imagine other software programs would still allow it, if they did before.

 
Seems like this is going to keep the IRS busy for quite some time. good year to fib a little on your taxes and get a decent return.

 
They instituted a policy this year where you can only have a small number of refunds direct deposited into a certain bank account. It's like 3 or 5, I can't remember offhand. Anything more than that and the IRS will disallow the direct deposit.,
Serious question, can anyone think of a reason why you would ever need more than 2 refunds directly deposited to the same account? Other than a husband and wife filing separately I don't get it. :shrug:

Maybe kids refunds going to a parents account, but even that seems like the name on the tax return should match one of the account owners before they issue the refund.
Was wondering the same. Maybe they are trying to cover people with a small side business or two on the side?

 
Happened to me a few years ago. When I submitted my return through turbotax I got an immediate response that someone else had already filed with my SSN. I ended up having to file a report, talk to an investigator, and then sit and wait.

Basically, some schmuck in Florida filed using my SSN with almost certainly all kinds of made up info, got the return in the form of Walmart gift cards, and then spent it right away. The investigator told me it was rampant and they almost never get caught. These turds would sit in a coffee shop or something and file 100 returns at a time, for relatively small amounts of money, hoping that a couple of them get through.

Three months later, I got my return (no questions asked in between, no paperwork or anything else needed) and now have a special PIN I need to submit along with my return in order to e-file.

 
Back before efiling, people used to send in fraudulent returns all the time. The only thing in the way of stopping them were tax examiners getting paid $12 an hour to look at about 200-300 forms a day. You'd see about 5 or 6 returns for around $4000 with different names all with the same address. They wouldn't be in the same piles all the time though so it was random if we caught them. Imagine how much got through.

 
Back before efiling, people used to send in fraudulent returns all the time. The only thing in the way of stopping them were tax examiners getting paid $12 an hour to look at about 200-300 forms a day. You'd see about 5 or 6 returns for around $4000 with different names all with the same address. They wouldn't be in the same piles all the time though so it was random if we caught them. Imagine how much got through.
You'd think the penalty for getting caught attempting to do this would be pretty high? Apparently not high enough.

 
So, in MN, for example, is it just TurboTax that the state has decided to stop accepting, or is it online returns in general? In other words, can I just use a different return software, or do I have to file hard copies?
the State(s) aren't the ones who stopped anything here. It was TurboTax.

TurboTax turned off the ability of its software to e-file state tax returns across the USA
So, yes, I imagine other software programs would still allow it, if they did before.
MN stopped accepting them from TurboTax before TurboTax announced this broader change.

 
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Back before efiling, people used to send in fraudulent returns all the time. The only thing in the way of stopping them were tax examiners getting paid $12 an hour to look at about 200-300 forms a day. You'd see about 5 or 6 returns for around $4000 with different names all with the same address. They wouldn't be in the same piles all the time though so it was random if we caught them. Imagine how much got through.
You'd think the penalty for getting caught attempting to do this would be pretty high? Apparently not high enough.
Back then, a lot of the perps were already incarcerated.

 
Well then. That's a different story I guess. Sorry.
As far as I know, MN is the only state that had done this so far (and I guess no others will bother at this point). I think it was just TurboTax that they stopped accepting, not other electronic filers.

 
I know a few of years ago I had to create and use a PIN for the TurboTax state filinig. Haven't had to for the last 2 years though. :shrug:
Yep, all your personal info is carried over. I saw my checking account and bank routing numbers, a DD option carried over from last year.

I wonder if we can disable the carryover option, make it not even a choice.

 
They instituted a policy this year where you can only have a small number of refunds direct deposited into a certain bank account. It's like 3 or 5, I can't remember offhand. Anything more than that and the IRS will disallow the direct deposit.,
Serious question, can anyone think of a reason why you would ever need more than 2 refunds directly deposited to the same account? Other than a husband and wife filing separately I don't get it. :shrug:

Maybe kids refunds going to a parents account, but even that seems like the name on the tax return should match one of the account owners before they issue the refund.
Businesses in multiple states.
 
Tax-refund fraud to hit $21 billion, and there's little the IRS can doTax-refund fraud is expected to soar again this tax season, and hit a whopping $21 billion by 2016, from just $6.5 billion two years ago, according to the Internal Revenue Service.

And the problem—which the agency admits is growing quickly—is compounded by an outdated fraud-detection system that has trouble identifying many attempts to trick it.

"The flaws in [the IRS'] system are so basic," said Akli Adjaoute, founder and CEO of artificial intelligence firm Brighterion.

"The whole system is a disaster," Adjaoute said.

One of the main reasons for the rapid growth is that it takes so little to file a false return—just your your name, date of birth and Social Security number. (Perhaps not coincidentally, this was among the information taken in last week's huge hack on health insurer Anthem. See "What Anthem breach victims need to do now.")

The IRS is well-aware of the magnitude of the problem. But budgetary constraints and legal mandates have created a system where it is often unable to follow up on the red flags that its system throws up until after a refund check has been cut and sent.

The agency does, of course, look for certain signals in filed returns, and for obvious reasons won't discuss specifically what they are, said a spokesperson.

Here's a conspicuous flaw in the system as currently set up: To file a tax return electronically, all someone needs is a name, date of birth and an SSN. The IRS accepts tax filings as soon as Jan. 1, but employers aren't required to submit correct employment information to the agency until March, by which time roughly half of all refunds have been paid out. (For that matter, the IRS doesn't begin matching employer-submitted data to tax returns until the summer.)

By law, the tax-refund system as it is currently constituted amounts to a "pay first, ask questions later" system, said Victor Searcy, director of fraud operations at IDT911, an identity protection and risk services firm in Scottsdale, Arizona.

In other words, an imaginative crook in possession of the three basic items of a person's identity could make up fake W-2 information and submit it, and get the money within 30 days—the amount of time the law says that the agency must refund tax filers.

Some obvious red flags—like multiple checks being sent to one address, or multiple deposits being sent to one account or one debit card—are detected, but often refund checks are mailed to those accounts before they're followed up on within the agency, said Searcy.

Updating the IRS

While the IRS says cuts to its budget in 2015 will slow upgrades to its system—the IT budget is being reduced by $200 million, one of many cuts the agency is contending with—the IRS said in a January release that it will "continue to increase both the number and efficiency of the identity theft models and filters that are used to identify potentially fraudulent returns." It also said that it had halted 19 million suspicious returns as of October 2014.

Probably the most notable step the agency has taken to protect taxpayers has been a rollout of an identity protection (IP) PIN. Essentially, if you've been a victim of tax fraud, the IRS will issue a PIN number to use when filing electronically.

This is designed to address a profound problem inherent to this kind of fraud: Unlike passwords or a credit card, you can't "reset" your SSN—you're stuck with it for life.

The PINs are currently only available to filers with past resolved fraud cases as well as to taxpayers in Georgia, Florida and the District of Columbia—areas with high incidences of fraud. They are also available to an additional 1.7 million taxpayers with suspicious activity on their accounts, said a spokesperson.

Unfortunately, the IRS enforcement of PIN security has been spotty, said Searcy, as he knows instances where taxpayers who had PINs assigned to them were able to file returns without them. The agency spokesperson said this would be "highly unusual," since the IP PIN essentially works as a lock and key on a taxpayer's account.

Nevertheless, this is the sort of thing the IRS should be investing more effort in, Searcy said.

Expect more

For now, most identity theft is focused on the financial sector, rather than tax-refund fraud, even though experts said the latter is probably easier to pull off, and perpetrators have much lower chances of getting caught.

Both the IRS and law enforcement are investing more in this area, with 748 successful sentencings in 2014, up from 438 in 2013, according to the IRS.

Still, the increased vigilance can't keep pace with criminals, especially since there's rarely negative consequences for an unsuccessful attempt. explained experts. For example, a crook could file a fake return, have it rejected and the chances of authorities coming after them are very slim.

"If I was an identity thief, that's what I'd do," said Searcy.
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That sucks. I have a fairly complex state filing in Colorado this year due to the sale of two properties which also had rental income for part of the year.

 
You don't even actually need to have received a W-2 to submit a tax return, just the year end paycheck stub.

Or that's how it was when I did rapid tax in the mall a dozen years ago anyway. They just need the numbers.
People committing fraud generally don't use a real W-2 anyway. If they get an individual's name, address and SSN and any company's EIN they can file a simple return with let's say $20,000 of W-2 income and $7,000 of tax withheld even though no such W-2 form exists. Most of the fake $7,000 would be refunded.

As Steve Tasker mentioned, the IRS doesn't have the ability to verify the accuracy of the W-2 when the fraudulent return is filed since employers are not required to file them until the end of February, so it issues a refund more or less on the honor system.

The easy solution is to delay processing refunds until W-2's are filed and verified but that would be extremely unpopular with most taxpayers.
:angry:

This is rearing its ugly head again, same timing as last year and I hate reading it again. I have to wait for my brokerage documentation to come in before I can file anyways personally. I know I am not representative of all Americans, but the IRS seriously needs to do something about this blind spot outside of the snail mail notice to the effect of, "Whelp, gee willikers sorry affected tax payer."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/get-there/wp/2016/02/10/were-only-one-month-into-the-tax-filing-season-and-the-irs-has-already-been-attacked/

 
Awesome. My data (SSN, name, everything) was stolen from the IRS last year. They notified me in the summer, and I set up a PIN and have to file by paper now. Oh, but they threw me a free one year of credit monitoring, so I've got that going for me.

 
You don't even actually need to have received a W-2 to submit a tax return, just the year end paycheck stub.

Or that's how it was when I did rapid tax in the mall a dozen years ago anyway. They just need the numbers.
People committing fraud generally don't use a real W-2 anyway. If they get an individual's name, address and SSN and any company's EIN they can file a simple return with let's say $20,000 of W-2 income and $7,000 of tax withheld even though no such W-2 form exists. Most of the fake $7,000 would be refunded.

As Steve Tasker mentioned, the IRS doesn't have the ability to verify the accuracy of the W-2 when the fraudulent return is filed since employers are not required to file them until the end of February, so it issues a refund more or less on the honor system.

The easy solution is to delay processing refunds until W-2's are filed and verified but that would be extremely unpopular with most taxpayers.
:angry:

This is rearing its ugly head again, same timing as last year and I hate reading it again. I have to wait for my brokerage documentation to come in before I can file anyways personally. I know I am not representative of all Americans, but the IRS seriously needs to do something about this blind spot outside of the snail mail notice to the effect of, "Whelp, gee willikers sorry affected tax payer."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/get-there/wp/2016/02/10/were-only-one-month-into-the-tax-filing-season-and-the-irs-has-already-been-attacked/
It's amazing to me that we're in the year 2016, and companies can't send some kind of e-verification from their ERP system to the IRS to prevent fraudulent W2s.

 
Why are some people saying it's because of using TT? The way I understand it the crooks take anyone's info, from all sorts of places, and they use TT. Your risk doesn't increase because you use TT. Your risk increases if you leave your W-2 sitting in your mailbox.

 
The fact that the IRS does not have any generic comparison tools in place to check last year vs this year's info before sending out money like that is almost criminal in 2016. Turbo tax compares your return to last year before sending, the IRS can't do the same before issuing a refund. I understand people change banks for DD, I understand people change jobs from year to year, but when there are such changes, those returns should be flagged for secondary review or at least delayed.

Less people get inconvenienced this way and fraud will be decreased a ton. The secondary review could be something as simple as comparing the W2 that is different to the SS contribution records and ensuring the same new company is doing the SS contributions and give the return the green light. There have to be computer programmers working for our government that can handle this and automate additional layers of security before sending billions of dollars out to fraudsters.

 
I don't know about other states, but Ohio has added an additional security measure for state returns. After submitting your state return, you will be mailed a letter with a URL. You go to that URL, take a quiz which has questions only you should be able to answer, THEN your refund is sent to you.

I've seen people #####ing about it on Facebook because it's delaying the returns by a couple weeks. Idiots don't realize it's to protect them.
This year, for the first time, GA had you enter #### from your drivers license -- expiration date and DL #. I'm guessing that's a less-often compromised piece of IDing info and they're hoping to cut down on fraud with it.

 

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