Tyler Thigpen (1 Viewer)

[avsfan91]

Now that Matt Cassel is the starting QB in KC, what is next for Tyler Thigpen? I watched most of his games last season and he got better as the season went on. He showed that he can play in this league and is worthily of a shot at being a starting QB. That being said what will happen to him next season? Will he be back in KC backing up Cassel or will the Chiefs try and trade him? I think there are a few teams in the NFL that would like to have him on their rosters to push the QB already there and maybe even win the starting job.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

 

[Avery]

Now that Matt Cassel is the starting QB in KC, what is next for Tyler Thigpen? I watched most of his games last season and he got better as the season went on. He showed that he can play in this league and is worthily of a shot at being a starting QB. That being said what will happen to him next season? Will he be back in KC backing up Cassel or will the Chiefs try and trade him? I think there are a few teams in the NFL that would like to have him on their rosters to push the QB already there and maybe even win the starting job.

I don't see NFL teams linking up to offer anything for a QB with very limited success, had that limited success in a gimmicky offense and hasn't shown he can play under center.

 

[brutha]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

? after a shaky start, Thigpen played fairly well last year, the only reason Cassell gets a long leash this year is because he was "hand picked".Honestly if I could have any of those 4 on my team I think I would take Thigpen. I know he had weak WRs but still I'm not dazzled by Russell's so-called potential. I don't think he's going anywhere but who knows

 

[Liquid Tension]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

? after a shaky start, Thigpen played fairly well last year, the only reason Cassell gets a long leash this year is because he was "hand picked".Honestly if I could have any of those 4 on my team I think I would take Thigpen. I know he had weak WRs but still I'm not dazzled by Russell's so-called potential. I don't think he's going anywhere but who knows

I agree, Chase, I don't think you watched Thigpen. He was mobile and showed a strong arm on a team that was bad. I would be looking to grab him if I were the Jets. I think the kid has some game. Please don't throw out QB rating because it doesn;t value the excellent scrambling ability that he has. he is 24 and threw 18 TD's with 12 picks (and rushed for 4 TD's). I think he can play in this league and I would try and get him on the cheap.

 

[Desert_Power]

I hear Denver will be in the market for a QB soon, maybe he will go there.

 

[mcd]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

I had to go look it up, because I thought Thigpen played well also. I guess if you want to go off the silly NFL QB rating system, that puts Roethlisberger as the 24th best QB & Pennington as a top 2 QB, then yeah, Thigpen sucked. I think if you looked at his play from week 8 onward, when they changed the offense to fit his style, his ranking would jump up into the mid teens. Add in his rushing ability, which isn't accounted for in the QB rating, and he moves up a little more. Hey, if QBs are going to be judged by the NFL rating system then Shaun Hill & Seneca Wallace would be pretty in demand. Thigpen wasn't an All Pro, but in his final 10 game starting streak he did average 230 yards passing, 30 yards rushing, 1.6 passing TDs & another .3 rushing TDs with a .9 Int.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

? after a shaky start, Thigpen played fairly well last year, the only reason Cassell gets a long leash this year is because he was "hand picked".Honestly if I could have any of those 4 on my team I think I would take Thigpen. I know he had weak WRs but still I'm not dazzled by Russell's so-called potential. I don't think he's going anywhere but who knows

I agree, Chase, I don't think you watched Thigpen. He was mobile and showed a strong arm on a team that was bad. I would be looking to grab him if I were the Jets. I think the kid has some game. Please don't throw out QB rating because it doesn;t value the excellent scrambling ability that he has. he is 24 and threw 18 TD's with 12 picks (and rushed for 4 TD's). I think he can play in this league and I would try and get him on the cheap.

I didn't take a look at his QB rating. He averaged 6.2 yards per attempt last season. That ranked 30th, ahead of Derek Anderson and Ryan Fitzpatrick and no one else.I agree that he's mobile and there's some value there, but he's got a long way to go as a passer. And it's not like he's got a strong pedigree to fall back on. He was bad last season, and that's one of the reasons his team went 2-14 last year.I'm sure there aren't too many QBs in NFL history who were 7th round picks and couldn't pass the ball their first year as a starter that turned into good QBs.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

I had to go look it up, because I thought Thigpen played well also. I guess if you want to go off the silly NFL QB rating system, that puts Roethlisberger as the 24th best QB & Pennington as a top 2 QB, then yeah, Thigpen sucked. I think if you looked at his play from week 8 onward, when they changed the offense to fit his style, his ranking would jump up into the mid teens. Add in his rushing ability, which isn't accounted for in the QB rating, and he moves up a little more. Hey, if QBs are going to be judged by the NFL rating system then Shaun Hill & Seneca Wallace would be pretty in demand. Thigpen wasn't an All Pro, but in his final 10 game starting streak he did average 230 yards passing, 30 yards rushing, 1.6 passing TDs & another .3 rushing TDs with a .9 Int.

Why not look at all 14 games? You can't just cherry pick his best streak.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

I had to go look it up, because I thought Thigpen played well also. I guess if you want to go off the silly NFL QB rating system, that puts Roethlisberger as the 24th best QB & Pennington as a top 2 QB, then yeah, Thigpen sucked. I think if you looked at his play from week 8 onward, when they changed the offense to fit his style, his ranking would jump up into the mid teens. Add in his rushing ability, which isn't accounted for in the QB rating, and he moves up a little more. Hey, if QBs are going to be judged by the NFL rating system then Shaun Hill & Seneca Wallace would be pretty in demand. Thigpen wasn't an All Pro, but in his final 10 game starting streak he did average 230 yards passing, 30 yards rushing, 1.6 passing TDs & another .3 rushing TDs with a .9 Int.

Key phrase....Unless TT learns to take snap from under center, which means better vision and footwork, than whatever team takes him is handcuffed. This has other ramifications on said offensive unit. Anytime he goes under center it is certainly going to be a run......or even worse, TT affects whatever stud RB is there, as he would be getting the handoff out of the shotgun or pistol.Go back and watch Week 3 @ ATL and see what he looks like in a pro offense.

 

[lyon812]

A fine article discussing Thigpen: http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/476

 

[RockHard]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

I had to go look it up, because I thought Thigpen played well also. I guess if you want to go off the silly NFL QB rating system, that puts Roethlisberger as the 24th best QB & Pennington as a top 2 QB, then yeah, Thigpen sucked. I think if you looked at his play from week 8 onward, when they changed the offense to fit his style, his ranking would jump up into the mid teens. Add in his rushing ability, which isn't accounted for in the QB rating, and he moves up a little more. Hey, if QBs are going to be judged by the NFL rating system then Shaun Hill & Seneca Wallace would be pretty in demand. Thigpen wasn't an All Pro, but in his final 10 game starting streak he did average 230 yards passing, 30 yards rushing, 1.6 passing TDs & another .3 rushing TDs with a .9 Int.

Key phrase....Unless TT learns to take snap from under center, which means better vision and footwork, than whatever team takes him is handcuffed. This has other ramifications on said offensive unit. Anytime he goes under center it is certainly going to be a run......or even worse, TT affects whatever stud RB is there, as he would be getting the handoff out of the shotgun or pistol.Go back and watch Week 3 @ ATL and see what he looks like in a pro offense.

You can make the same argument against Cassel, NE's base offense was a shot gun set.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I'm sure there aren't too many QBs in NFL history who were 7th round picks and couldn't pass the ball their first year as a starter that turned into good QBs.

I looked at every QB since the merger, and noted QBs not drafted in the fifth round or better AND those that did not play at an above average level in their first year starting. The best four players were -- Matt Hasselbeck, Steve DeBerg, Jim Zorn, and Bill Kenney (another Chief). If you want to look pre-merger, Jim Hart's another good example as would be George Blanda.I wouldn't get too excited if I was a Thigpen owner.

 

[cstu]

What is a woman who lives in a convent?

 

[Holland Freeze]

I didn't take a look at his QB rating.

1st half of the season: 67.7

2nd half of the season: 80.1 (comparable to Big Ben)

He averaged 6.2 yards per attempt last season.

1st half of the season: 5.53

2nd half of the season: 6.6 (still only comparable to Favre or Russell)

That ranked 30th, ahead of Derek Anderson and Ryan Fitzpatrick and no one else. Moves him up a few notches to #24.

I agree that he's mobile and there's some value there, but he's got a long way to go as a passer. Most QB's in their 2nd year have a lot left to learn. I do not believe anyone is claiming he is a diamond in the rough but he has demonstrated he can play in this league and we may not have seen his ceiling, especially if he had more tools to work with. With KC's many needs he was not a top priority to replace.

I would hope you could agree there is a need to look at whether there was improvement over the course of the season for a rookie or any player who does not have much experience not just the players final numbers

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Tyler Thigpen seems just like the new version of Billy Volek.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

Uhhh... in case you missed it, that whole team looked bad last year. Thigpen did all he could just to stay upright behind that Offensive Line. Had one of the worst running games in the NFL after LJ went absent (and even when he was playing), and he still managed to turn KC's Offense into something respectable. I dont care what stats you're looking at, those 3 QB's you listed were not better than TT was, they were in run-first Offenses that didnt throw the ball 30-40 times a game. I think Thigpen did just fine considering his circumstances and considering he was basically a rookie.

The Chiefs ranked 26th in scoring despite having Bowe and Gonzalez. Seneca Wallace is a much, much better QB than Thigpen.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I would hope you could agree there is a need to look at whether there was improvement over the course of the season for a rookie or any player who does not have much experience not just the players final numbers

Not really. There's evidence to show that late season splits don't matter, and not evidence to show that it does (yet). Unless you've got something...

 

[Liquid Tension]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

I had to go look it up, because I thought Thigpen played well also. I guess if you want to go off the silly NFL QB rating system, that puts Roethlisberger as the 24th best QB & Pennington as a top 2 QB, then yeah, Thigpen sucked. I think if you looked at his play from week 8 onward, when they changed the offense to fit his style, his ranking would jump up into the mid teens. Add in his rushing ability, which isn't accounted for in the QB rating, and he moves up a little more. Hey, if QBs are going to be judged by the NFL rating system then Shaun Hill & Seneca Wallace would be pretty in demand. Thigpen wasn't an All Pro, but in his final 10 game starting streak he did average 230 yards passing, 30 yards rushing, 1.6 passing TDs & another .3 rushing TDs with a .9 Int.

it was also the first starting games of his career on a bad team for crying out loud.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

I had to go look it up, because I thought Thigpen played well also. I guess if you want to go off the silly NFL QB rating system, that puts Roethlisberger as the 24th best QB & Pennington as a top 2 QB, then yeah, Thigpen sucked. I think if you looked at his play from week 8 onward, when they changed the offense to fit his style, his ranking would jump up into the mid teens. Add in his rushing ability, which isn't accounted for in the QB rating, and he moves up a little more. Hey, if QBs are going to be judged by the NFL rating system then Shaun Hill & Seneca Wallace would be pretty in demand. Thigpen wasn't an All Pro, but in his final 10 game starting streak he did average 230 yards passing, 30 yards rushing, 1.6 passing TDs & another .3 rushing TDs with a .9 Int.

Why not look at all 14 games? You can't just cherry pick his best streak.

Chase, you are looking only at the stats and not the way he played. I have no vested interest in KC, not a fan often team and i don;t own Thigpen, but your logic here is off base. the guy stepped into the starting role after not getting any significant playing time in pre season, he is young and had NO experience. He did very well considering and I think showed enough game that he would be better than anything the Jets, Minnesota and a few others teams have. I also think he may be able to become a solid starting QB. If I were a GM, I would bring this guy onto my team on the cheap.BTW, not counting his first couple starts isn't really cherry picking when you consider the guy had not gotten any reps with a starting team.

 

[T Bell]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

? after a shaky start, Thigpen played fairly well last year, the only reason Cassell gets a long leash this year is because he was "hand picked".Honestly if I could have any of those 4 on my team I think I would take Thigpen. I know he had weak WRs but still I'm not dazzled by Russell's so-called potential. I don't think he's going anywhere but who knows

I agree, Chase, I don't think you watched Thigpen. He was mobile and showed a strong arm on a team that was bad. I would be looking to grab him if I were the Jets. I think the kid has some game. Please don't throw out QB rating because it doesn;t value the excellent scrambling ability that he has. he is 24 and threw 18 TD's with 12 picks (and rushed for 4 TD's). I think he can play in this league and I would try and get him on the cheap.

I didn't take a look at his QB rating. He averaged 6.2 yards per attempt last season. That ranked 30th, ahead of Derek Anderson and Ryan Fitzpatrick and no one else.I agree that he's mobile and there's some value there, but he's got a long way to go as a passer. And it's not like he's got a strong pedigree to fall back on. He was bad last season, and that's one of the reasons his team went 2-14 last year.I'm sure there aren't too many QBs in NFL history who were 7th round picks and couldn't pass the ball their first year as a starter that turned into good QBs.

Chase, you're better than this. Taking one or two stats in isolation, and then comparing them across the league without adjusting for the fact that Thigpen was a first time starter and many other QB's weren't, not to mention WR corps talent levels and o-line problems, is pretty disingenuous. The truth is that 6.3 ypa for a new NFL starter on a bad team is a pretty good showing, and plenty of QB's perceived as having higher ceilings and arguably in better situations have done a lot worse than that for their initial efforts. This thread isn't declaring Thigpen is some sort of stud in the making. It's saying he's got a future and should/could get a chance to develop elsewhere. I don't see that as being unreasonable at all.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

? after a shaky start, Thigpen played fairly well last year, the only reason Cassell gets a long leash this year is because he was "hand picked".Honestly if I could have any of those 4 on my team I think I would take Thigpen. I know he had weak WRs but still I'm not dazzled by Russell's so-called potential. I don't think he's going anywhere but who knows

I agree, Chase, I don't think you watched Thigpen. He was mobile and showed a strong arm on a team that was bad. I would be looking to grab him if I were the Jets. I think the kid has some game. Please don't throw out QB rating because it doesn;t value the excellent scrambling ability that he has. he is 24 and threw 18 TD's with 12 picks (and rushed for 4 TD's). I think he can play in this league and I would try and get him on the cheap.

I didn't take a look at his QB rating. He averaged 6.2 yards per attempt last season. That ranked 30th, ahead of Derek Anderson and Ryan Fitzpatrick and no one else.I agree that he's mobile and there's some value there, but he's got a long way to go as a passer. And it's not like he's got a strong pedigree to fall back on. He was bad last season, and that's one of the reasons his team went 2-14 last year.I'm sure there aren't too many QBs in NFL history who were 7th round picks and couldn't pass the ball their first year as a starter that turned into good QBs.

In Brady's 3rd season (2nd as a starter) he averaged 6.3 YPA and what round was he drafted in?

 

[Liquid Tension]

A fine article discussing Thigpen: http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/476

Interesting article

 

[Liquid Tension]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

Uhhh... in case you missed it, that whole team looked bad last year. Thigpen did all he could just to stay upright behind that Offensive Line. Had one of the worst running games in the NFL after LJ went absent (and even when he was playing), and he still managed to turn KC's Offense into something respectable. I dont care what stats you're looking at, those 3 QB's you listed were not better than TT was, they were in run-first Offenses that didnt throw the ball 30-40 times a game. I think Thigpen did just fine considering his circumstances and considering he was basically a rookie.

The Chiefs ranked 26th in scoring despite having Bowe and Gonzalez. Seneca Wallace is a much, much better QB than Thigpen.

Chase, are you having a bad day? Seneca Wallace is FOUR years older than Thigpen who was thrown in as a starter without taking reps with the first team (and a terrible team to boot). The only comparison that makes sense is they are similar style QB's, good arms and very mobile. This was like saying Kerry Collins was so much better than Peyton Manning after his first year???Manning had a 71 passer rating (with no scrambling to help) and threw 28 picks in his first year. Manning even had the advantage of knowing he was going to start and working with the 1st team.look, I can;t say for sure Thigpen will be a good starting QB, but from my own eyes I saw a guy who has some ability to play starting QB in the NFL. I was surprised at how good he looked. He needs work, but as i said before, I would be on the horn with KC and dropping a 4th round pick (or hopefully less) on acquiring him). If I am the Jets or Vikings I would maybe even up the ante.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The truth is that 6.3 ypa for a new NFL starter on a bad team is a pretty good showing

No, it's not. Not in 2008.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

Uhhh... in case you missed it, that whole team looked bad last year. Thigpen did all he could just to stay upright behind that Offensive Line. Had one of the worst running games in the NFL after LJ went absent (and even when he was playing), and he still managed to turn KC's Offense into something respectable. I dont care what stats you're looking at, those 3 QB's you listed were not better than TT was, they were in run-first Offenses that didnt throw the ball 30-40 times a game. I think Thigpen did just fine considering his circumstances and considering he was basically a rookie.

The Chiefs ranked 26th in scoring despite having Bowe and Gonzalez. Seneca Wallace is a much, much better QB than Thigpen.

Chase, are you having a bad day? Seneca Wallace is FOUR years older than Thigpen who was thrown in as a starter without taking reps with the first team (and a terrible team to boot). The only comparison that makes sense is they are similar style QB's, good arms and very mobile. This was like saying Kerry Collins was so much better than Peyton Manning after his first year???Manning had a 71 passer rating (with no scrambling to help) and threw 28 picks in his first year. Manning even had the advantage of knowing he was going to start and working with the 1st team.look, I can;t say for sure Thigpen will be a good starting QB, but from my own eyes I saw a guy who has some ability to play starting QB in the NFL. I was surprised at how good he looked. He needs work, but as i said before, I would be on the horn with KC and dropping a 4th round pick (or hopefully less) on acquiring him). If I am the Jets or Vikings I would maybe even up the ante.

I don't know or care what Manning's passer rating was, because that's a garbage stat.I said Wallace is a much better QB than Thigpen. That's true. If you want to say that in four years Thigpen will be better than Wallace today, then maybe. But that's a different question. Sorry if I was misleading, but I was focused on Thigpen the player, not Thigpen the 24 year old. He was a very bad NFL QB last year; he was "okay" I guess for a 24 year old, if that makes you happy. Sure it was his first year starting but it was his 2nd year in the league. Age-adjusting his stats will certainly make him look better, but if you ignore his age, would you agree he stunk last year?

 

[gonzobill5]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

I'd love to know what metric places Shaun Hill better than anybody so that I can completely ignore it from now on.

 

[mmmWaffles]

Hmm.. What Would Tyler Thigpen Do?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

I'd love to know what metric places Shaun Hill better than anybody so that I can completely ignore it from now on.

From now on, make sure to ignore wnning percentage, TD rate, INT rate, completion percentage, yards per completion and yards per attempt.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

Good prospect and pretty good/1-13 are two different things. You know that. A good/decent prospect can have a horrible first year statistically. Do you disagree?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

Good prospect and pretty good/1-13 are two different things. You know that. A good/decent prospect can have a horrible first year statistically. Do you disagree?

A 7th round pick that has a horrible year isn't much of a prospect.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

Good prospect and pretty good/1-13 are two different things. You know that. A good/decent prospect can have a horrible first year statistically. Do you disagree?

A 7th round pick that has a horrible year isn't much of a prospect.

LOL, did you trade him away in a league early in the year or something? I don't think he's anything to write home about but he was certainly startable in fantasy football and isn't that what we're talking about?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

Good prospect and pretty good/1-13 are two different things. You know that. A good/decent prospect can have a horrible first year statistically. Do you disagree?

A 7th round pick that has a horrible year isn't much of a prospect.

Is it really a horrible year when he has a 18-12 TD-to-INT rate and adds three more TDs rushing? Very similar rate to both Ryan and Flacco, FWIW.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

Good prospect and pretty good/1-13 are two different things. You know that. A good/decent prospect can have a horrible first year statistically. Do you disagree?

A 7th round pick that has a horrible year isn't much of a prospect.

Is it really a horrible year when he has a 18-12 TD-to-INT rate and adds three more TDs rushing? Very similar rate to both Ryan and Flacco, FWIW.

Please don't make him cite the YPA stat again. TIA.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

Good prospect and pretty good/1-13 are two different things. You know that. A good/decent prospect can have a horrible first year statistically. Do you disagree?

A 7th round pick that has a horrible year isn't much of a prospect.

Is it really a horrible year when he has a 18-12 TD-to-INT rate and adds three more TDs rushing? Very similar rate to both Ryan and Flacco, FWIW.

Comparing him to Ryan is a joke. This is why people don't trust people who cite statistics in football.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

Good prospect and pretty good/1-13 are two different things. You know that. A good/decent prospect can have a horrible first year statistically. Do you disagree?

A 7th round pick that has a horrible year isn't much of a prospect.

Is it really a horrible year when he has a 18-12 TD-to-INT rate and adds three more TDs rushing? Very similar rate to both Ryan and Flacco, FWIW.

Comparing him to Ryan is a joke.

Thanks for answering my question.I'll help you answer since you chose not to do so. No, it's not really a horrible year. The team around here probably contributed to the poor record too.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

Good prospect and pretty good/1-13 are two different things. You know that. A good/decent prospect can have a horrible first year statistically. Do you disagree?

A 7th round pick that has a horrible year isn't much of a prospect.

Is it really a horrible year when he has a 18-12 TD-to-INT rate and adds three more TDs rushing? Very similar rate to both Ryan and Flacco, FWIW.

Comparing him to Ryan is a joke.

Thanks for answering my question.I'll help you answer since you chose not to do so. No, it's not really a horrible year. The team around here probably contributed to the poor record too.

I've answered your questions several times. He was not one of the top 25 QBs in the NFL last year. If that's not horrible what is?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

Good prospect and pretty good/1-13 are two different things. You know that. A good/decent prospect can have a horrible first year statistically. Do you disagree?

A 7th round pick that has a horrible year isn't much of a prospect.

Is it really a horrible year when he has a 18-12 TD-to-INT rate and adds three more TDs rushing? Very similar rate to both Ryan and Flacco, FWIW.

Comparing him to Ryan is a joke.

Thanks for answering my question.I'll help you answer since you chose not to do so. No, it's not really a horrible year. The team around here probably contributed to the poor record too.

I've answered your questions several times. He was not one of the top 25 QBs in the NFL last year. If that's not horrible what is?

I've only asked one question in this thread and you didn't answer it. I'll bite. So you're saying it's impossible to have 25 good QBs in the league. Every year at least roughly a quarter of the teams have to have horrible QBs. Am I understanding that correctly?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

How did Aikman do his first year again?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Thigpen was bad last year; I don't get the SP notion that Thigpen played well in '08. What is this based on? He wasn't a top 25 QB in the NFL, and guys like Seneca Wallace, JaMarcus Russell and Shaun Hill were better than him last year.

? after a shaky start, Thigpen played fairly well last year, the only reason Cassell gets a long leash this year is because he was "hand picked".Honestly if I could have any of those 4 on my team I think I would take Thigpen. I know he had weak WRs but still I'm not dazzled by Russell's so-called potential. I don't think he's going anywhere but who knows

I agree, Chase, I don't think you watched Thigpen. He was mobile and showed a strong arm on a team that was bad. I would be looking to grab him if I were the Jets. I think the kid has some game. Please don't throw out QB rating because it doesn;t value the excellent scrambling ability that he has. he is 24 and threw 18 TD's with 12 picks (and rushed for 4 TD's). I think he can play in this league and I would try and get him on the cheap.

I didn't take a look at his QB rating. He averaged 6.2 yards per attempt last season. That ranked 30th, ahead of Derek Anderson and Ryan Fitzpatrick and no one else.I agree that he's mobile and there's some value there, but he's got a long way to go as a passer. And it's not like he's got a strong pedigree to fall back on. He was bad last season, and that's one of the reasons his team went 2-14 last year.I'm sure there aren't too many QBs in NFL history who were 7th round picks and couldn't pass the ball their first year as a starter that turned into good QBs.

Chase, you're better than this.

Link?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

Good prospect and pretty good/1-13 are two different things. You know that. A good/decent prospect can have a horrible first year statistically. Do you disagree?

A 7th round pick that has a horrible year isn't much of a prospect.

Is it really a horrible year when he has a 18-12 TD-to-INT rate and adds three more TDs rushing? Very similar rate to both Ryan and Flacco, FWIW.

Comparing him to Ryan is a joke.

Thanks for answering my question.I'll help you answer since you chose not to do so. No, it's not really a horrible year. The team around here probably contributed to the poor record too.

I've answered your questions several times. He was not one of the top 25 QBs in the NFL last year. If that's not horrible what is?

I've only asked one question in this thread and you didn't answer it. I'll bite. So you're saying it's impossible to have 25 good QBs in the league. Every year at least roughly a quarter of the teams have to have horrible QBs. Am I understanding that correctly?

No matter what, if you're the 26th best QB in the league, you're bad. Yes. Now if you're the first pick in the draft and its your rookie season, well then your future looks fine. If it's your 2nd season and you're a 7th round pick, your future isn't very good.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

How did Aikman do his first year again?

Where was Aikman drafted again?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

How did Aikman do his first year again?

Where was Aikman drafted again?

Dallas. The point was his record (1-15).

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

Good prospect and pretty good/1-13 are two different things. You know that. A good/decent prospect can have a horrible first year statistically. Do you disagree?

A 7th round pick that has a horrible year isn't much of a prospect.

Is it really a horrible year when he has a 18-12 TD-to-INT rate and adds three more TDs rushing? Very similar rate to both Ryan and Flacco, FWIW.

Comparing him to Ryan is a joke.

Thanks for answering my question.I'll help you answer since you chose not to do so. No, it's not really a horrible year. The team around here probably contributed to the poor record too.

I've answered your questions several times. He was not one of the top 25 QBs in the NFL last year. If that's not horrible what is?

I've only asked one question in this thread and you didn't answer it. I'll bite. So you're saying it's impossible to have 25 good QBs in the league. Every year at least roughly a quarter of the teams have to have horrible QBs. Am I understanding that correctly?

No matter what, if you're the 26th best QB in the league, you're bad. Yes. Now if you're the first pick in the draft and its your rookie season, well then your future looks fine. If it's your 2nd season and you're a 7th round pick, your future isn't very good.

That's an ignorant statement without any substance to back it up. Those 1772 passing yards, 283 rushing yards, 15 total Tds with only 8 Ints in the second half of the season isn't impressive? Not an indication that the light came on for him after getting his feet wet? Looking at number alone which you love to do.... his numbers in his first season are very comparable to Tom Brady's numbers in his first season, FWIW. I guess Brady made it since he was a valuable 6th rounder instead of just a 7th rounder.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

How did Aikman do his first year again?

Where was Aikman drafted again?

Dallas. The point was his record (1-15).

Do you view Matt Stafford and Chase Daniel as equal pro prospects? If not, would you view them as equal prospects if after the 2009 season both played poorly?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Chase, sometimes I think if you threw some statistics together and the result told you to jump off a cliff, you'd do it. My god man, this isn't baseball. :shakeshead:

I'm not the one claiming the QB who went 1-13 is a good prospect. I think it's the Shark Pool that's in the minority claiming that Thigpen's pretty good.

How did Aikman do his first year again?

Where was Aikman drafted again?

Dallas. The point was his record (1-15).

Do you view Matt Stafford and Chase Daniel as equal pro prospects?

What the heck does that have to do with this?

 

[Chase Stuart]

That's an ignorant statement without any substance to back it up. Those 1772 passing yards, 283 rushing yards, 15 total Tds with only 8 Ints in the second half of the season isn't impressive? Not an indication that the light came on for him after getting his feet wet? Looking at number alone which you love to do.... his numbers in his first season are very comparable to Tom Brady's numbers in his first season, FWIW. I guess Brady made it since he was a valuable 6th rounder instead of just a 7th rounder.

If watching Tyler Thigpen in '08 reminded you of Brady in '01, I'm okay with you thinking I'm ignorant. And no, their numbers were not comparable, either.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

That's an ignorant statement without any substance to back it up. Those 1772 passing yards, 283 rushing yards, 15 total Tds with only 8 Ints in the second half of the season isn't impressive? Not an indication that the light came on for him after getting his feet wet? Looking at number alone which you love to do.... his numbers in his first season are very comparable to Tom Brady's numbers in his first season, FWIW. I guess Brady made it since he was a valuable 6th rounder instead of just a 7th rounder.

If watching Tyler Thigpen in '08 reminded you of Brady in '01, I'm okay with you thinking I'm ignorant. And no, their numbers were not comparable, either.

Brady 2001 - 2,843 yards, 18 TD, 12 INT, 43 rush yards, 0 TD, 12 fumbles, 3 lostThigpen 2008 - 2,608 yards, 18 TD, 12 INT, 386 rush yards, 3 TD, 6 fumbles, 2 lostWhat's not comparable here?