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Tyreek Hill TD ruling (1 Viewer)

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HuskerJ

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Our league has a controversy and I would like feedback from others. Our league is very stat based basic league. All TD's are worth 6, we get bonuses for 75 yd rushing/receiving and 300 yd passing. In the past, if it was not in the stat/box score, it didn't count. We are debating weather the T Hill TD fumble recovery should count.
Back in 2015 when Randall Cobb recovered the Starks fumble in the endzone, it didn't count in our league. I would think that would set precedence, but now they want to relook at it.
Thoughts? Should it count as a TD for Hill, or not?
 
HuskerJ said:
Our league has a controversy and I would like feedback from others. Our league is very stat based basic league. All TD's are worth 6, we get bonuses for 75 yd rushing/receiving and 300 yd passing. In the past, if it was not in the stat/box score, it didn't count. We are debating weather the T Hill TD fumble recovery should count.
Back in 2015 when Randall Cobb recovered the Starks fumble in the endzone, it didn't count in our league. I would think that would set precedence, but now they want to relook at it.
Thoughts? Should it count as a TD for Hill, or not?
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Did you tweet Greedell and ask his opinion?
 
Hill should get credit for the TD in all leagues where Hill is on my team's roster.

Hill should not get credit for the TD in any league in which Hill is on my opponent's roster.

In the event that Hill is rostered by someone other than me or my opponent, I'll have to determine how to handle this score on a case-by-case basis.
 
HuskerJ said:
Our league has a controversy and I would like feedback from others. Our league is very stat based basic league. All TD's are worth 6, we get bonuses for 75 yd rushing/receiving and 300 yd passing. In the past, if it was not in the stat/box score, it didn't count. We are debating weather the T Hill TD fumble recovery should count.
Back in 2015 when Randall Cobb recovered the Starks fumble in the endzone, it didn't count in our league. I would think that would set precedence, but now they want to relook at it.
Thoughts? Should it count as a TD for Hill, or not?
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My opinion is that it should count as a TD, rushing yards don't count for the NFL stats so no yardage. We use MFL and I just assumed it would show up that way but it didn't. I was contacted about it and after research found MFL actually makes you check this off in scoring. Now no idea if that was new or we missed it when we set the league site up back in 2008, if it was available then either no one that it happened to paid close enough attention until last night or it was never a player in a starting lineup. We decided that we would change the scoring so that it counted since all three commissioners agreed we would have said it did if asked. Chances are the same guy is going to win regardless unless Stevenson and the Patriots D put up less then 10 points combined tonight and even if they don't all it does is swap the 3 and 4 seeds. No bye is in play.

That said if the decision was actively made in 2015 to not count the Randell Cobb version then I would say it stays that way until next year. Do you know what game that was in 2015, I'd like to go back and look at the scoring in our league for that week.
 
We were discussing it as well. Blowout win and no playoff implications so its more about getting the weekly high score $$

Our scoring is TD distance scoring so you get more points for longer tds. A normal rushing td would have been 6 points plus points for yardage.

However, my understanding is that the NFL does not give rushing yards for this play.

A few years ago we added a 3 point td (its our lowest td point threshold) due to fumble recoveries in the end zone by the offense players. So Hill got 3 points for the TD, no yardage points.
 
He was credited with a TD in all 27 leagues I am in save for the big money league. There is a new car on the line in that league and of course the commish's opponent is the one who has Hill. There is a reddit thread about it (that made it to r/all this morning) and there is no consensus. There are valid opinions on both sides of the argument. I am way behind in that league, as I have all rookies on my team, and some of them just did not pan out, so If it gets to a league vote as many are suggesting, I am just going to vote for the guy who lives closest to me so that if he wins he can take me for a ride in his car.
 
It's going to depend if your commish is an idiot like me or not.

I own Hill, got -0- from that because "Offensive fumble recovery" wasn't in our scoring system. 🤦‍♂️

I have a note in the league forum to adjust it in the offseason.

IMO, it should be points for only the TD, no yards, but if you get bonus points for long TD it should get those bonuses. (7pt TD> 40, 8 pts TD> 60 etc..)
 
Jaysus said:
He was credited with a TD in all 27 leagues I am in save for the big money league. There is a new car on the line in that league and of course the commish's opponent is the one who has Hill. There is a reddit thread about it (that made it to r/all this morning) and there is no consensus. There are valid opinions on both sides of the argument. I am way behind in that league, as I have all rookies on my team, and some of them just did not pan out, so If it gets to a league vote as many are suggesting, I am just going to vote for the guy who lives closest to me so that if he wins he can take me for a ride in his car.
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:lmao: :lmao:
 
Found the play from 2015, it was in Week 13. Person in our league had Cobb and started him but won by 30+ points that week so they either never noticed or didn't say anything.
 
Jaysus said:
He was credited with a TD in all 27 leagues I am in save for the big money league. There is a new car on the line in that league and of course the commish's opponent is the one who has Hill. There is a reddit thread about it (that made it to r/all this morning) and there is no consensus. There are valid opinions on both sides of the argument. I am way behind in that league, as I have all rookies on my team, and some of them just did not pan out, so If it gets to a league vote as many are suggesting, I am just going to vote for the guy who lives closest to me so that if he wins he can take me for a ride in his car.
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So you play in a league with a car on the line and it's all people you know and live close to? Or you are just joking about voting based on who lives the closest? i would think most big money leagues being run by a 3rd party there isn't a commish in the league making decisions.
 
Your league has precedent so that really settles things for this year.

think best way to score is he gets TD but no yards but up to your league to decide in the offseason.
 
IvanKaramazov said:
Hill should get credit for the TD in all leagues where Hill is on my team's roster.

Hill should not get credit for the TD in any league in which Hill is on my opponent's roster.

In the event that Hill is rostered by someone other than me or my opponent, I'll have to determine how to handle this score on a case-by-case basis.
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This is fair
 
SwampDawg said:
HuskerJ said:
Our league has a controversy and I would like feedback from others. Our league is very stat based basic league. All TD's are worth 6, we get bonuses for 75 yd rushing/receiving and 300 yd passing. In the past, if it was not in the stat/box score, it didn't count. We are debating weather the T Hill TD fumble recovery should count.
Back in 2015 when Randall Cobb recovered the Starks fumble in the endzone, it didn't count in our league. I would think that would set precedence, but now they want to relook at it.
Thoughts? Should it count as a TD for Hill, or not?
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My opinion is that it should count as a TD, rushing yards don't count for the NFL stats so no yardage. We use MFL and I just assumed it would show up that way but it didn't. I was contacted about it and after research found MFL actually makes you check this off in scoring. Now no idea if that was new or we missed it when we set the league site up back in 2008, if it was available then either no one that it happened to paid close enough attention until last night or it was never a player in a starting lineup. We decided that we would change the scoring so that it counted since all three commissioners agreed we would have said it did if asked. Chances are the same guy is going to win regardless unless Stevenson and the Patriots D put up less then 10 points combined tonight and even if they don't all it does is swap the 3 and 4 seeds. No bye is in play.

That said if the decision was actively made in 2015 to not count the Randell Cobb version then I would say it stays that way until next year. Do you know what game that was in 2015, I'd like to go back and look at the scoring in our league for that week.
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I think it was week 13 Packers vs the Lions
 
The Gator said:
It's going to depend if your commish is an idiot like me or not.

I own Hill, got -0- from that because "Offensive fumble recovery" wasn't in our scoring system. 🤦‍♂️

I have a note in the league forum to adjust it in the offseason.

IMO, it should be points for only the TD, no yards, but if you get bonus points for long TD it should get those bonuses. (7pt TD> 40, 8 pts TD> 60 etc..)
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I am the commish, and I am playing that team. I am trying to be non partial, but we have had other items come up in the past, and delayed any changes to the rules until the next year.
 
HuskerJ said:
The Gator said:
It's going to depend if your commish is an idiot like me or not.

I own Hill, got -0- from that because "Offensive fumble recovery" wasn't in our scoring system. 🤦‍♂️

I have a note in the league forum to adjust it in the offseason.

IMO, it should be points for only the TD, no yards, but if you get bonus points for long TD it should get those bonuses. (7pt TD> 40, 8 pts TD> 60 etc..)
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I am the commish, and I am playing that team. I am trying to be non partial, but we have had other items come up in the past, and delayed any changes to the rules until the next year.
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Agreed, especially since it's scoring related. Sucks for now, but it should be done in the offseason.
 
Should be scored as an offensive fumble recovery TD, luckily our league fixed this years ago. I swear there was something prior to the Cobb TD people are mentioning, want to say maybe a Washington game?
 
Did Burks get a TD when he fell on Henry's end zone fumble the other week?

Either way, let the platform handle it unless every team manager is expected to watch every play from every game, total his own stats, and challenge the commissioner every week on scoring.
 
Runkle said:
Did Burks get a TD when he fell on Henry's end zone fumble the other week?

Either way, let the platform handle it unless every team manager is expected to watch every play from every game, total his own stats, and challenge the commissioner every week on scoring.
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Depends on your league scoring, in my league where we score OFRTD he did
 
TD. According to your original post, "All TDs are worth 6". It is a TD. It is worth 6. Unless you are not telling us your actual rules?
 
The Gator said:
IMO, it should be points for only the TD, no yards, but if you get bonus points for long TD it should get those bonuses. (7pt TD> 40, 8 pts TD> 60 etc..)
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This is the interesting thing for us. Will be a discussion after the season since we are a td distance bonus league but only credit the shortest. Platform we use may cause it to be a manually entered item which is another issue.
 
I’m guessing the league is on a hosting site, and the site has the league scoring settings set to the proper league rules. The TD is either included in Hill’s weekly scoring or it’s not. However, there is no guarantee the league was set up properly.

Just because people say and think scoring is “all TDs = 6 points,” each bizarre scoring option has to selected in the league scoring set up or they won’t be counted.

In a league I commished, a play came up years after the league was set up that was not entered properly in the first place. The point being, just because the Cobb play was scored one way years ago doesn’t necessarily mean that’s how the rules were written. No one may have noticed it was scored wrong back then.

I would double check the league by laws on scoring, as there may be language that covers the play (or conflicting language) that the TD should could.
 
Dan Lambskin said:
Runkle said:
Did Burks get a TD when he fell on Henry's end zone fumble the other week?

Either way, let the platform handle it unless every team manager is expected to watch every play from every game, total his own stats, and challenge the commissioner every week on scoring.
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Depends on your league scoring, in my league where we score OFRTD he did
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Right. It should be the same as whichever it was for Burks. If the league had already scored OFRTD for Burks, that setting should be the same for Hill and both plays are treated equally. If it wasn't scored for Burks, they shouldn't change the rule now that it's happened a second time. Same scoring should apply to both plays.
 
GroveDiesel said:
Are there fantasy leagues that don’t use stats for their scoring? Like, do they get points for making ESPN’s top 10 plays of the week? Bonus points for having the coolest looking cleats?
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Speaking of cool looking cleats, they should ban the color yellow on player's shoes. I keep thinking there's a flag on the field.
 
SwampDawg said:
HuskerJ said:
Our league has a controversy and I would like feedback from others. Our league is very stat based basic league. All TD's are worth 6, we get bonuses for 75 yd rushing/receiving and 300 yd passing. In the past, if it was not in the stat/box score, it didn't count. We are debating weather the T Hill TD fumble recovery should count.
Back in 2015 when Randall Cobb recovered the Starks fumble in the endzone, it didn't count in our league. I would think that would set precedence, but now they want to relook at it.
Thoughts? Should it count as a TD for Hill, or not?
Click to expand...
My opinion is that it should count as a TD, rushing yards don't count for the NFL stats so no yardage. We use MFL and I just assumed it would show up that way but it didn't. I was contacted about it and after research found MFL actually makes you check this off in scoring. Now no idea if that was new or we missed it when we set the league site up back in 2008, if it was available then either no one that it happened to paid close enough attention until last night or it was never a player in a starting lineup. We decided that we would change the scoring so that it counted since all three commissioners agreed we would have said it did if asked. Chances are the same guy is going to win regardless unless Stevenson and the Patriots D put up less then 10 points combined tonight and even if they don't all it does is swap the 3 and 4 seeds. No bye is in play.

That said if the decision was actively made in 2015 to not count the Randell Cobb version then I would say it stays that way until next year. Do you know what game that was in 2015, I'd like to go back and look at the scoring in our league for that week.
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Yep, there is a setting in the scoring categories. It didn't matter in my league so I'm not worrying about it but I will make sure to make the change next year.
 
Mitchie said:
Your league has precedent so that really settles things for this year.

think best way to score is he gets TD but no yards but up to your league to decide in the offseason.
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Cant change the rule midseason. I don't know how many lower profile scores like this happened this year and or if they would have changed the outcome.
 
We will put it up for vote in the offseason. It wasn't something checked off in our scoring system nor has it ever been explicitly stated that it is allowed. Everyone has access to the scoring system and can see exactly how our site scores things. Im happy it happened in a game of non issue so i could put out an APB that this is how we are handling but definitely cannot add it now. We will vote on it in the offseason.
 
This is actually a really simple answer since it happened a couple weeks ago with Treylon Burks. If your league scoring credited Burks with a TD a couple weeks ago off the Henry fumble then it should credit Hill with a TD this week. If it did not then you should not credit Hill now.

If you want to change the outcome (which ever way) then it should be done after the season.

IMO, it's a TD so the guy should get credit for a TD.
 
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