****Ultimate Survivor 2010**** League 8 Thread (1 Viewer)

[Sigmund Bloom]

6.11 71. Eraser Garrard, David JAC QB 7.02 74. Eraser Campbell, Jason OAK QB 23.02 266. Eraser Clausen, Jimmy CAR QBAlthough Garrad and Campbell were 2 of my targets from the start of the draft, I had no intentions in taking them in the 6th and 7th.....I also anticipated being able to team them up with Alex Smith or Vince Young. Definitely my weakest link, but 18-23 points from the QB position is definitely possible.....probably won't get much flex play from this spot though.4.11 47. Eraser Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB 5.02 50. Eraser Best, Jahvid DET RB 8.11 95. Eraser Forte, Matt CHI RB 10.11 119. Eraser Williams, Carnell TBB RB 12.11 143. Eraser Taylor, Chester CHI RB 13.02 146. Eraser Tomlinson, LaDainian NYJ RB 16.11 191. Eraser Choice, Tashard DAL RB Didn't plan on drafting RB's this early (round 4), but I saw too much value in Mendenhall and Best to pass either up for the 13th or 14th QB off the board. After grabbing Forte, it was a MUST to also grab Chester Taylor.....I usually don't like "wasting" picks like this, but with my QB's so thin I needed to make sure I was putting a lot of effort into filling the flex spot from either my RB depth or WR's. Cadillac and Tomlinson were just added depth and I could easily see each roster spot being used as a "starter" 40% of Leg 1. Choice was just a gamble......definitely would rather have choice in Round 16 instead of F. Jones in round 7.1.02 2. Eraser Johnson, Andre HOU WR 2.11 23. Eraser Johnson, Calvin DET WR 3.02 26. Eraser Jennings, Greg GBP WR 11.02 122. Eraser Massaquoi, Mohamed CLE WR14.11 167. Eraser Washington, Nate TEN WR 22.11 263. Eraser Branch, Deion SEA WR24.11 287. Eraser Gage, Justin TEN WR Obviously my strategy was to swing for the fences in the early rounds by putting together the best starting WR tandem in the league. The other 4 should be productive and possibly provide a spot start. Massaquoi and Washington are currently their teams #1, while an argument could be made that Washington is the #2. Deion Branch was an absolutue steal in the 22nd...to many people are sleeping on this guy.9.02 98. Eraser Olsen, Greg CHI TE 15.02 170. Eraser Davis, Fred WAS TE I don't believe that Martz is a TE killer....throw me all the statistics you want, I'll believe what I see on the field this year with Olsen. As for Davis, the kid through up great numbers last year and I don't see how they don't find ways to continue to get him the ball. Moss, Cooley, and Davis are the only receiving threats in Washington.17.02 194. Eraser Bengals, Cincinnati CIN Def18.11 215. Eraser Raiders, Oakland OAK Def 19.02 218. Eraser Browns, Cleveland CLE Def I recall losing a game or two each week by 1 or 2 points and it was because I had 2 defenses that under-performed....not this year! Cincy, Oakland, and Cleveland all have 2-3 terrific match-ups in the first 5 games. Hopefully I don't leave wins on the table because of my D this year.20.11 239. Eraser Gould, Robbie CHI PK 21.02 242. Eraser Scobee, Josh JAC PK Wanted a 3rd, but didn't have the luxury of being able to grab one more.....hopefully the weather stays good and Chicago is capable of scoring at a high level.Overall I am excited about my team, althoughI can't afford to take a hit at the QB or TE position. With a little luck I drafted a team that will help me move on. Was definitely a fun draft.....just glad I was lucky enough to take part.Good Luck!!E

inverse of SSOG, strong at RB/WR, vulnerable at QB/TE, will need some luck or prodigious hot streaks from your WRs to advance.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Looking forward to Sig's projected final standings

-QG

 

[SSOG]

I think you have the poorest WR and RB corps in the whole league. Even if Kolb gives you the top flex scoring in the league, you have absolutely no margin of error at RB and WR. Im just not sure how you can advance with no stone cold studs at either position - maybe you can get 2-3 top 10 RB weeks from McCoy and CLE RB, maybe 3-4 combined top 10 WR weeks from CHI WR, Floyd, and SMoss, but the rest of us might be getting that from our RB1 and WR1 scoring, not our best 4 RBs and best 4 WRs combined.

I don't disagree that my RBs and WRs are below-average. I'm simply saying that my advantage at the other 5 starting positions is more than great enough to overcome it. I really think that Kolb and Clark are going to pay huge dividends.

Leinart and Edwards are very unlikely to score for you, wasted picks. Way too optimistic about CBuck, the one backfield you cornered is a hot hand-based group, which could split the production down the middle, hurting bad. Your RB3-6 are all hurt right now. Moss is a notorious boom/bust WR and Floyd had only 1 game over 11.5 last year, even though he started most of the year. Moss over Steve Smith (NYG) and Floyd over Hines Ward were misfires imo. They are much better WRs in a group where you have you to count on them every week, Moss and Floyd are for a group 7-8 boom/bust guys. Buckhalter over Aromashodu was also a mistake imo. I'll happily eat crow if Im wrong, but I just dont see how a team with such a weak group at the two bread and butter positions can advance.

Pretty much disagree with all of this (except with Edwards being a wasted pick). Floyd goes from option #4 last year (behind VJax, Gates, and Sproles) to option #2 this year, while Hines Ward is playing 4 weeks with Byron Leftwich before his week 5 bye. I'm expecting some heavy regression from the Giants passing game and I'm also expecting Smith North to get a smaller piece of the smaller pie, while Santana is looking like the only game in town in Washington (seriously, reports are that 63-year old Joey Galloway might be starting on the opposite side), and I expect Shanahan and McNabb to really make something of that offense. I think Moss is a legit WR1 in this format, and that Floyd is a legit WR2, and that Knox/Hester will also provide WR2 production between them. Also, I don't buy the Aromatherapy hype at all. I guess it would have continued to lock down the Chicago passing game, but I feel like I've already got all the worthwhile pieces rostered.I just don't see my RBs or WRs as nearly as weak as you do. I think I'm going to manage middle-of-the-road production at every position except for RB2.

 

[kevzilla]

I can't say that things went according to plan, but except for one glaring weakness, I think this team is pretty good.

QB

Delhomme, Jake CLE QB

Moore, Matt CAR QB

I came into the draft prepared to take a QB in the second round. Eight were gone when that pick came up. Kolb, Ryan, and McNabb (among others) were available, and I would have been OK with one of those guys as my QB1. But I just could not convince myself that any of them were worth the 21st overall pick. Some variation of this reasoning persisted until all the decent QBs were gone. So mediocrity is my ceiling at QB, and flex is out of the question. Fair enough.

RB

Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB

Wells, Chris ARI RB

Portis, Clinton WAS RB

McGahee, Willis BAL RB

Jennings, Rashad JAC RB

I feel good about this group. The first four should provide me with two solid RB scores and a good shot at a decent flex score every week. I don't normally do a lot of handcuffing, but Jennings was my last pick, so there wasn't much at stake there.

WR

Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR

Ochocinco, Chad CIN WR

Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR

Driver, Donald GBP WR

Schilens, Chaz OAK WR

Cribbs, Josh CLE WR

Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR

Nelson, Jordy GBP WR

Shipley, Jordan CIN WR

Bennett, Earl CHI WR

The scare on Fitz is just that, thank goodness. After seeing the play, I'm convinced that if his leg had been planted, he's done for the year. I didn't move him down, and I had to take him at 2.09. Ochocinco will catch a lot of balls, and either Maclin or Driver will be my WR3 most weeks. The others are just the result of casting a wide net in the hopes of catching an explosive performance here or there.

TE

Witten, Jason DAL TE

Shockey, Jeremy NOS TE

Boss, Kevin NYG TE

Witten is my only bye-week issue. My hope is that he is clubbing the league over the head the other four weeks. Shockey and Boss have home games when Witten is out, and one of them should be serviceable. Not expecting any flex help here, either.

K

Rackers, Neil HOU PK

Brown, Kris HOU PK

Kasay, John CAR PK

I used my 20th and 21st picks to get one position, but Houston's offense might be that good. I took the veteran Kasay as a hedge.

DEF

Jets, New York NYJ Def

Took some grief for picking them in the 9th, but I had them #54 overall on my board. I also decided that it wasn't worth backing them up due to the short season. Mind you, if this was for 16 weeks, I would have definitely taken more defenses. And kickers. And QBs, lol.

Bottom line: if I get QB12-15 type play from Delhomme/Moore, I can advance. If I don't, I'm in a world of hurt.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I think you have the poorest WR and RB corps in the whole league. Even if Kolb gives you the top flex scoring in the league, you have absolutely no margin of error at RB and WR. Im just not sure how you can advance with no stone cold studs at either position - maybe you can get 2-3 top 10 RB weeks from McCoy and CLE RB, maybe 3-4 combined top 10 WR weeks from CHI WR, Floyd, and SMoss, but the rest of us might be getting that from our RB1 and WR1 scoring, not our best 4 RBs and best 4 WRs combined.

I don't disagree that my RBs and WRs are below-average. I'm simply saying that my advantage at the other 5 starting positions is more than great enough to overcome it. I really think that Kolb and Clark are going to pay huge dividends.

Leinart and Edwards are very unlikely to score for you, wasted picks. Way too optimistic about CBuck, the one backfield you cornered is a hot hand-based group, which could split the production down the middle, hurting bad. Your RB3-6 are all hurt right now. Moss is a notorious boom/bust WR and Floyd had only 1 game over 11.5 last year, even though he started most of the year. Moss over Steve Smith (NYG) and Floyd over Hines Ward were misfires imo. They are much better WRs in a group where you have you to count on them every week, Moss and Floyd are for a group 7-8 boom/bust guys. Buckhalter over Aromashodu was also a mistake imo. I'll happily eat crow if Im wrong, but I just dont see how a team with such a weak group at the two bread and butter positions can advance.

Pretty much disagree with all of this (except with Edwards being a wasted pick). Floyd goes from option #4 last year (behind VJax, Gates, and Sproles) to option #2 this year, while Hines Ward is playing 4 weeks with Byron Leftwich before his week 5 bye. I'm expecting some heavy regression from the Giants passing game and I'm also expecting Smith North to get a smaller piece of the smaller pie, while Santana is looking like the only game in town in Washington (seriously, reports are that 63-year old Joey Galloway might be starting on the opposite side), and I expect Shanahan and McNabb to really make something of that offense. I think Moss is a legit WR1 in this format, and that Floyd is a legit WR2, and that Knox/Hester will also provide WR2 production between them. Also, I don't buy the Aromatherapy hype at all. I guess it would have continued to lock down the Chicago passing game, but I feel like I've already got all the worthwhile pieces rostered.I just don't see my RBs or WRs as nearly as weak as you do. I think I'm going to manage middle-of-the-road production at every position except for RB2.

Moss WR1 and Floyd WR2 is a big-time reach. Both are WR3. You have no margin of error - even your own words "manage middle-of-the-road" production shows that you acknowledge that your upside is middle of the pack - meaning one off week from Kolb or Clark or any of your key WR/RB and you're looking at a 2 or 3 win week, maybe even a zero, very hard to make up. I just think you completely took the advantage of best ball - self-selecting starters from a wider range of possibilities - out of play with thin RB and WR corps at the expense of having Kolb as a flex and having 4 QBs - when he is most likely to have growing pains early in the season...

 

[Gottabesweet]

Had an emergency last night so had to go auto, sorry guys. All is good now. Best of luck.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Had an emergency last night so had to go auto, sorry guys. All is good now. Best of luck.

Glad to hear, some things are more important than FF - you still sniped QG a few times after you left - no joke

 

[QuizGuy66]

Had an emergency last night so had to go auto, sorry guys. All is good now. Best of luck.

Glad that everything is good now Looking at your first few picks (and the fact that you have 2 good QBs) you might have at least a puncher's chance.-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Had an emergency last night so had to go auto, sorry guys. All is good now. Best of luck.

Glad to hear, some things are more important than FF - you still sniped QG a few times after you left - no joke

LOL - yeah I was trying to get at least 1 Bengal and you foiled my plans -QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Here's the Link to the actual draft results (as a clip n save)

I'm curious about Sig's evaluation of GBS's draft. Even with some of the picks that basically got blown up due to autodraft,

1.08 8. Gottabesweet Manning, Peyton IND QB Sun Aug 15 7:33:05 p.m. ET 2010

5.08 56. Gottabesweet Palmer, Carson CIN QB Sun Aug 15 8:17:44 p.m. ET 2010

14.05 161. Gottabesweet Roethlisberger, Ben PIT QB Sun Aug 15 9:32:03 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

With Palmer's new weapons, there are worse options to have as a QB2 flex play.

2.05 17. Gottabesweet Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB Sun Aug 15 7:44:04 p.m. ET 2010

3.08 32. Gottabesweet Greene, Shonn NYJ RB Sun Aug 15 7:54:05 p.m. ET 2010

7.08 80. Gottabesweet Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB Sun Aug 15 8:39:07 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

8.05 89. Gottabesweet Brown, Ronnie MIA RB Sun Aug 15 8:44:28 p.m. ET 2010

12.05 137. Gottabesweet Williams, Ricky MIA RB Sun Aug 15 9:13:28 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

19.08 224. Gottabesweet Tate, Ben HOU RB Sun Aug 15 10:13:05 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

21.08 248. Gottabesweet Lynch, Marshawn BUF RB Sun Aug 15 10:27:03 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

22.05 257. Gottabesweet Gerhart, Toby MIN RB Sun Aug 15 10:35:24 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

23.08 272. Gottabesweet Dwyer, Jonathan PIT RB Sun Aug 15 10:43:09 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

Autodraft just loved giving GBS some running back

This actually is a pretty promising group too. DeAngelo and Shonn Greene should be bell-cows who put up good numbers. Moreno is definitely a flex possiblity and having Miami's RB situation locked up is pretty good. Tate and Lynch are unfortunate. Gerhart could vulture ADP but it's hard to see him getting meaningful enough points absent something that better not happen since I have Peterson in another league. Sig probably knows more from Dwyer than I do.

4.05 41. Gottabesweet Boldin, Anquan BAL WR Sun Aug 15 8:02:25 p.m. ET 2010

6.05 65. Gottabesweet Rice, Sidney MIN WR Sun Aug 15 8:26:10 p.m. ET 2010

9.08 104. Gottabesweet Jackson, Vincent SDC WR Sun Aug 15 8:53:52 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

10.05 113. Gottabesweet Bryant, Dez DAL WR Sun Aug 15 8:59:06 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

11.08 128. Gottabesweet Meachem, Robert NOS WR Sun Aug 15 9:08:28 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

13.08 152. Gottabesweet Holmes, Santonio NYJ WR Sun Aug 15 9:24:28 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

20.05 233. Gottabesweet Bryant, Antonio CIN WR Sun Aug 15 10:19:29 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

Wide receiver is definitely more iffy. Jackson and Holmes are completely wasted picks and Antonio Bryant might be on the street soon as well. So what you have left are Boldin (solid), Sidney Rice (better with Favre but still iffy with injuries), Dez, if he's ready to go could be really something, though rookie WRs seldom go off right out of the gate. Meachem could see more opportunity in New Orleans but it's tough to have him as a guy to count on.

17.08 200. Gottabesweet Gresham, Jermaine CIN TE Sun Aug 15 9:57:09 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

18.05 209. Gottabesweet Pettigrew, Brandon DET TE Sun Aug 15 10:04:06 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

Gresham has looked good in the Cincy camp and seems like he should at least get some sort of production. Enough compared to the over TEs around the league? Can't really say that's like, especially early on in the year. Pettigrew's potential is hampered by Scheffler plus he's try to come back from injury.

16.05 185. Gottabesweet Kaeding, Nate SDC PK Sun Aug 15 9:48:09 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

The rough part is that he's stuck with one kicker. The good news is that Kaeding is one of the top guys if not the top guy.

15.08 176. Gottabesweet Vikings, Minnesota MIN Def Sun Aug 15 9:42:57 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

24.05 281. Gottabesweet Dolphins, Miami MIA Def Sun Aug 15 10:49:57 p.m. ET 2010 Pick made by ADP Rank

Autodraft did GBS some favors here again as the Vikings are a good defense to have. Seems like 3 defenses was the desired strategy as it cut downs on the variance but again with a little luck this could work out fine.

All in all, considering that over half of GBS's picks were left to the whims and hazards of autopick. I have to say that this team has a respectable chance. Were it not for the 5-7 guys who likely will get zero or almost zero this team probably would be a favorite to comfortably advance.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Ugh Harvin's back out now I can only imagine how horrible migraines must be. Scary stuff that he had to be taken off in an ambulance.

-QG

 

[SSOG]

Projected order of finish through 5 weeks (based on Dodds' most recent projections):

SSoG- 45-10

Quizguy- 41-14

Hear the Footsteps- 38-17

Sigmund Bloom- 32-23

Radballs- 30-25

Jayrock- 29-26

Kevzilla- 28-27

Eraser- 24-31

Footballman- 22-33

Andy Hicks- 20-35

Mister CIA- 15-40

Gotta Be Sweet- 6-49

Smart guy, that Dodds. Not saying anything or anything, just saying... David Dodds. Pretty smart guy.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Projected order of finish through 5 weeks (based on Dodds' most recent projections):SSoG- 45-10Quizguy- 41-14Hear the Footsteps- 38-17Sigmund Bloom- 32-23Radballs- 30-25Jayrock- 29-26Kevzilla- 28-27Eraser- 24-31Footballman- 22-33Andy Hicks- 20-35Mister CIA- 15-40Gotta Be Sweet- 6-49Smart guy, that Dodds. Not saying anything or anything, just saying... David Dodds. Pretty smart guy.

Hopefully I don't destroy his reputation!-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Bump to revisit my team now that the preseason games are over. Will throw up the other teams too if I'm sufficiently bored

Player YTD Pts Bye

Rivers, Philip SDC QB - 10

Schaub, Matt HOU QB - 7

Volek, Billy SDC QB - 10

Okay the Volek pick feels really horrible to me now, especially as Derek Anderson was the other guy I was considering :(

Still - this is a rock solid pairing and I feel good.

Addai, Joseph IND RB (P) - 7

Brown, Donald IND RB - 7

Faulk, Kevin NEP RB - 5

Jackson, Brandon GBP RB - 10

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB - 10

Sproles, Darren SDC RB - 10

Ward, Derrick FA* RB - -

Same as it was, basically. I locked up the Indy and San Diego running games and there's no change there. Faulk is still a guy who get some random points, especially if he ends up as a hot hand. Jackson had a good camp and I thought he may have had a chance to break in after Grant had that early concussion, but Grant's fine so Jackson's value is down a bit. I grabbed Ward on the spec that he could get some real quality time in Tampa. for me on that one. But at least he's landed on a roster quickly and may be able to get a little bit of value.

Breaston, Steve ARI WR - 6

Cotchery, Jerricho NYJ WR - 7

Harvin, Percy MIN WR (P) - 4

Jackson, DeSean PHI WR (P) - 8

LaFell, Brandon CAR WR - 6

Robinson, Laurent STL WR (P) - 9

Stallworth, Donte' BAL WR (O) - 8

DeSean got dinged up a bit in the preseason, but I still feel fine with this. Harvin's migraines are a much bigger worry. If he's playing though, I think he'll be a good 3rd guy. Not sure I love Anderson as the guy throwing to Breaston, but he's a starter, the Cards aren't as good as they used to be, so they should be throwing. I feel really good about the Laurent Robinson pick - I think he'll way outperform where I picked him and contribute. A little nervous that the Jets total offensive failure in the preseason will carry over, but again Cotchery being a starter should be good. LaFell lost out to Dwayne Jarrett for the WR2 (at least according to the latest depth chart), the offense looks like it could be really bad, so I basically struck out there. Stallworth is cooked so that's now a wasted pick.

Celek, Brent PHI TE - 8

Shiancoe, Visanthe MIN TE - 4

Still feel good here, especially with Shiancoe officially having Favre back.

Akers, David PHI PK (P) - 8

Gano, Graham WAS PK - 9

Akers was 11 for 12 in preseason. I just found this out. Hope he keeps it up Long was 48.

Gano was 5 for 7 but had a 50 yarder in there. He also didn't screw up his job or anything so hooray.

Chargers, San Diego SDC Def - 10

Eagles, Philadelphia PHI Def - 8

Falcons, Atlanta ATL Def

Still love the early schedules of these teams.

So there we go. Will be interesting to assess the carnage of the other teams.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Ugh. Not exactly a scintillating start for my team

-QG

 

[SSOG]

Man, it's a good thing I grabbed that fourth QB after Leinart got cut and Kolb got concussed. I figured I was pretty much out of it after already losing Kolb, Leinart, Hardesty, Kelly, and Nelson, but thanks to a monster game from Clark (thank you, 1.5 PPR!) and a huge performance from my much-maligned RB corps, I'm still hanging tough. If Kolb returns strong next week and Rodgers steps it up a notch, I still really like my chances.

 

[QuizGuy66]

At least it's not survivor.

-QG

 

[SSOG]

Ugly week for me, too. Hopefully Kolb makes it back in a hurry.

 

[kevzilla]

Jets D looked like it was thisclose to scoring a TD on a few occasions. That's what makes FF enjoyable.

 

[Andy Hicks]

3.12 36. Andy Hicks Grant, Ryan GBP RB

9.12 108. Andy Hicks Jacobs, Brandon NYG RB

12.01 133. Andy Hicks Jones, Thomas KCC RB

15.12 180. Andy Hicks Bell, Mike PHI RB

23.12 276. Andy Hicks Dixon, Anthony SFO RB

24.01 277. Andy Hicks Weaver, Leonard PHI RB

This was the position I kept losing out on and the weakness is clear. I'm happy with Ryan Grant as my RB1, but trying to get a RB2/Flex out of this lot won't be easy. On the way through to my picks guys kept slipping only to be snatched before my pick. For the last 2 picks was debating whether to take Fred Taylor/Sammy Morris or strengthen my Philly pie. I think LeSean McCoy won't get as many carries as most think, but Bell's constant injuries screw this up. Weaver will get used, so I should have some points here and Dixon was a case of a clear No.2 in a good spot.

I think know I could be in trouble Have to ride the Brandon Jacobs/Thomas Jones express to make the next round.

A weakness just got seriously worse after 1 week.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Can we all agree that chasing two QBs early was not the way to go here? #1 team had Hasselbeck and Vick score as his QB and flex. #2 had Freeman and Eli. teams with 2 QBs in first 4 rounds finished 6th, 8th, 11th, 12th this week.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Can we all agree that chasing two QBs early was not the way to go here? #1 team had Hasselbeck and Vick score as his QB and flex. #2 had Freeman and Eli. teams with 2 QBs in first 4 rounds finished 6th, 8th, 11th, 12th this week.

Won't agree yet. My team would've been similarly situated if I had only tagged Schaub and didn't go for Rivers. SJax was the other guy I was gonna grab there. Would've netted the same points. Kicking myself more over not getting D Anderson with my last pick (which I considered cuz of Leniart's shaky status even then). That wouldn't have moved me up the line.Now snagging B Jax in round 20, that might be the thing that saves me in this thing (if anything can at this point).-QG

 

[SSOG]

Can we all agree that chasing two QBs early was not the way to go here? #1 team had Hasselbeck and Vick score as his QB and flex. #2 had Freeman and Eli. teams with 2 QBs in first 4 rounds finished 6th, 8th, 11th, 12th this week.

Can we all agree that drafting RBs early was not the way to go here? The top RB tandems were Forte/Mendenhall (emphasis on the Forte), McFadden/McCoy, and Foster/Peterson (emphasis on the Foster).Or perhaps we'd be better off agreeing that it's stupid to draw sweeping conclusions off of one week's worth of data...

 

[Eraser]

Can we all agree that chasing two QBs early was not the way to go here? #1 team had Hasselbeck and Vick score as his QB and flex. #2 had Freeman and Eli. teams with 2 QBs in first 4 rounds finished 6th, 8th, 11th, 12th this week.

Can we all agree that drafting RBs early was not the way to go here? The top RB tandems were Forte/Mendenhall (emphasis on the Forte), McFadden/McCoy, and Foster/Peterson (emphasis on the Foster).Or perhaps we'd be better off agreeing that it's stupid to draw sweeping conclusions off of one week's worth of data...

I had Forte/Mendenhall and I would say that WR/WR may not have been a great idea either.......I have Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson......neither of which started for my team in Week 1.There are definitely no guarantees!!!

 

[SSOG]

I had Forte/Mendenhall and I would say that WR/WR may not have been a great idea either.......I have Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson......neither of which started for my team in Week 1.There are definitely no guarantees!!!

Exactly. Seems like a pretty tough week with so many "studs" doing absolutely nothing at every single position.

 

[SSOG]

Can we all agree that chasing two QBs early was not the way to go here? #1 team had Hasselbeck and Vick score as his QB and flex. #2 had Freeman and Eli. teams with 2 QBs in first 4 rounds finished 6th, 8th, 11th, 12th this week.

Can we all agree that drafting RBs early was not the way to go here? The top RB tandem in the league is Best (5th rounder) and Forte (8th rounder). The second best RB tandem is McCoy (4th rounder) and McFadden (10th rounder). I had the top score all locked up this week until Donald Brown fumbled on a meaningless carry late in the game, and Eli Manning tacked on a meaningless TD as time expired, costing my team defense 5 points and dropping me to 2nd place by 1.4 points. By and large, that's just fantasy football for you... but I'm making a note of it now because I reserve the right to my butt off if I miss the cut by one win.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Can we all agree that chasing two QBs early was not the way to go here? #1 team had Hasselbeck and Vick score as his QB and flex. #2 had Freeman and Eli. teams with 2 QBs in first 4 rounds finished 6th, 8th, 11th, 12th this week.

Only got 26.75 from my Flex (Rivers) -QG

 

[kevzilla]

It appears that I will be filing a big fat gaudy 0 at the QB position this week, and next.

My new goal is to not finish 12th.

 

[SSOG]

It appears that I will be filing a big fat gaudy 0 at the QB position this week, and next. My new goal is to not finish 12th.

Sadly, I don't think you're going to meet your goal. It's hard to win without any QBs.It looks like the final week is going to come down to 6 teams. Mister CIA pretty much has his invitation to round 2 already engraved, and Eraser's 3-game lead over 4th place should also have him feeling moderately comfortable right now. Barring a surprise finish from Footballman, that leaves Radballs, Jayrock, Bloom, and myself battling for the final 2 spots. Radballs currently has the lead, with Jayrock and me sitting 1 game back, and Bloom a very manageable 2 games back.Personally, I have a tough time seeing Jayrock advance. He's made it this far largely on the back of the Michael Vick Magic Carpet Ride, which is looking like it's officially over. Between the Vick injury and bye weeks, his team is positively crippled this week. He went from 4 QBs last week (Flacco, Henne, Hass, Vick) to 1 this week with Henne and Hass on bye. Also on bye are Wes Welker (his #3 WR), Anthony Fasano (his #2 TE), and Stephen Gostkowski (his #1 PK). He also probably left a couple wins on the table last week with Miles Austin, Roy Williams, and David Buehler on bye. He's not out of it by any stretch of the imagination, but it'll be tough going.Other than Jayrock, there don't seem to be any major bye week issues influencing the race. I have my full complement of players (including Kolb, healthy for the first time), while Radballs is only missing Hines Ward and Bloom will only be without Heath Miller and the Pittsburgh Defense. That Pitt D is a huge loss for Bloom, though, since his other two defenses (Buffalo and Houston) have been pretty insipid, both ranking among the bottom 4 fantasy defenses through 4 weeks.This final week might come down to TE scoring. Bloom's team has been strongly supported by Antonio Gates and his miracle season, while I've been heavily propped up by Dallas Clark (#2 TE), and Radballs has been getting consistent production from his combo of Keller (TE3) and Finley (TE5).Still a lot of room for surprises in the final week, but I'm eager to see how everything winds up shaking out.

 

[QuizGuy66]

It appears that I will be filing a big fat gaudy 0 at the QB position this week, and next. My new goal is to not finish 12th.

Sadly, I don't think you're going to meet your goal. It's hard to win without any QBs.It looks like the final week is going to come down to 6 teams. Mister CIA pretty much has his invitation to round 2 already engraved, and Eraser's 3-game lead over 4th place should also have him feeling moderately comfortable right now. Barring a surprise finish from Footballman, that leaves Radballs, Jayrock, Bloom, and myself battling for the final 2 spots. Radballs currently has the lead, with Jayrock and me sitting 1 game back, and Bloom a very manageable 2 games back.Personally, I have a tough time seeing Jayrock advance. He's made it this far largely on the back of the Michael Vick Magic Carpet Ride, which is looking like it's officially over. Between the Vick injury and bye weeks, his team is positively crippled this week. He went from 4 QBs last week (Flacco, Henne, Hass, Vick) to 1 this week with Henne and Hass on bye. Also on bye are Wes Welker (his #3 WR), Anthony Fasano (his #2 TE), and Stephen Gostkowski (his #1 PK). He also probably left a couple wins on the table last week with Miles Austin, Roy Williams, and David Buehler on bye. He's not out of it by any stretch of the imagination, but it'll be tough going.Other than Jayrock, there don't seem to be any major bye week issues influencing the race. I have my full complement of players (including Kolb, healthy for the first time), while Radballs is only missing Hines Ward and Bloom will only be without Heath Miller and the Pittsburgh Defense. That Pitt D is a huge loss for Bloom, though, since his other two defenses (Buffalo and Houston) have been pretty insipid, both ranking among the bottom 4 fantasy defenses through 4 weeks.This final week might come down to TE scoring. Bloom's team has been strongly supported by Antonio Gates and his miracle season, while I've been heavily propped up by Dallas Clark (#2 TE), and Radballs has been getting consistent production from his combo of Keller (TE3) and Finley (TE5).Still a lot of room for surprises in the final week, but I'm eager to see how everything winds up shaking out.

Bloom's only QB is likely to be Young. Dixon is off course gone. Stafford is probably an outside chance at best to play this week.-QG

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

looks like none of the teams that went QB-QB in the first four rounds are going to advance...

 

[QuizGuy66]

looks like none of the teams that went QB-QB in the first four rounds are going to advance...

Still though, Steven Jackson woulda been the call over Rivers in round 2 (Schaub was my first pick). Hard to see me exactly advancing with that combo as things panned out.-QG

 

[SSOG]

looks like none of the teams that went QB-QB in the first four rounds are going to advance...

You're confusing outcome with process. The problem wasn't that I took 2 QBs in the first two rounds, the problem is that one of those QBs only played 1.5 games. I figured I'd be able to lock up quality RBs later in the draft (I got McCoy and McFadden, who were RB1 and RB8, and I would have rostered RB7 Peyton Hillis if Hardesty had gotten hurt a couple weeks earlier). I figured I'd be able to lock up quality WRs later in the draft (I got Floyd and Santana, who were WR8 and WR11). I knew that a stud TE would still be waiting for me in the third (I got Dallas Clark, who will finish as a top-3 TE). Knowing all that, I figured the smart play was locking up a 15+ point a week flex player in the second. In hindsight, great concept, poor execution.Besides, if I'd have listened to your advice, I would have passed on Santana Moss (WR11) for Smith North (WR23) and passed on Malcom Floyd (WR8) for Hines Ward (WR56), and then it wouldn't have mattered what I did with my 2nd round pick. I could have spent it on a kicker for all the difference it would have made in my chances of survival. Anyway, congrats to the advancing teams (looks like CIA, Eraser, Jayrock, and Bloom), and I'll see you all again next year. :(

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

looks like none of the teams that went QB-QB in the first four rounds are going to advance...

You're confusing outcome with process. The problem wasn't that I took 2 QBs in the first two rounds, the problem is that one of those QBs only played 1.5 games. I figured I'd be able to lock up quality RBs later in the draft (I got McCoy and McFadden, who were RB1 and RB8, and I would have rostered RB7 Peyton Hillis if Hardesty had gotten hurt a couple weeks earlier). I figured I'd be able to lock up quality WRs later in the draft (I got Floyd and Santana, who were WR8 and WR11). I knew that a stud TE would still be waiting for me in the third (I got Dallas Clark, who will finish as a top-3 TE). Knowing all that, I figured the smart play was locking up a 15+ point a week flex player in the second. In hindsight, great concept, poor execution.Besides, if I'd have listened to your advice, I would have passed on Santana Moss (WR11) for Smith North (WR23) and passed on Malcom Floyd (WR8) for Hines Ward (WR56), and then it wouldn't have mattered what I did with my 2nd round pick. I could have spent it on a kicker for all the difference it would have made in my chances of survival. Anyway, congrats to the advancing teams (looks like CIA, Eraser, Jayrock, and Bloom), and I'll see you all again next year.

I'll admit that you did well with your mid round RB/WR picks, but the bottom line is that when you take a 2nd or 3rd tier player with one of your premium picks, you put yourself behind the 8-ball for the rest of your draft. Part of your process was to take a player that had much more risk than the top players left at other positions with a premium pick because of an incorrectly perceived inflation of value at that position that did not bear out in practice.

 

[Andy Hicks]

looks like none of the teams that went QB-QB in the first four rounds are going to advance...

Congrats to all that made it through.My weakness at RB was a crippler once Ryan Grant went downMoss & Brady didn't exactly go off eitherI'd also like to take back the Mike Sims-Walker pick pleaseJust not good enough this yearGood luck to those advancing.

 

[kevzilla]

I would like to formally and humbly apologize for my historically bad performance. I hope to get another shot at this some day.

 

[SSOG]

I'll admit that you did well with your mid round RB/WR picks, but the bottom line is that when you take a 2nd or 3rd tier player with one of your premium picks, you put yourself behind the 8-ball for the rest of your draft. Part of your process was to take a player that had much more risk than the top players left at other positions with a premium pick because of an incorrectly perceived inflation of value at that position that did not bear out in practice.

The reason it didn't bear out in practice was because Kolb was hurt. Whether he was injured or not had nothing to do with whether he was a 3rd tier player or a 1st tier player. Had Kolb remained healthy, I'd be advancing right now. I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise, given how close I was to the cutoff. My flex produced 63.15 points for me. 16 QBs produced 80 or more fantasy points. Even if Kolb was QB15 or QB16, he would have represented an extra 4 PPG over what I got. The reason I didn't advance wasn't because I was "behind the 8-ball with the rest of my draft", because I was *AHEAD* of the 8-ball the rest of my draft. I flat-out stole McCoy, McFadden, Moss, and Floyd, and I was spot-on with my evaluation of "Cleveland RB" (but obviously injury threw a wrench in that plan). I felt like I was going to be placing a much higher emphasis on SoS than the rest of the league, and I felt that outside-the-box approach would result in several steals being available for me later in the draft, which freed me up to make a "luxury" pick in round 2 to secure a dominant flex play. From where I sit, that's good process all the way.Now, I'm not playing the "woe is me, life is unfair" card, because injuries are part of the game, and it's not like I was the only one who had to deal with them. That's fantasy football. I'm just saying, you can't evaluate my process based on my outcome. If I'd have known Kolb was going to get hurt in game 1, I wouldn't have drafted him. Unless you knew of some risk factors that you'd like to share with me that would have shown Kolb was going to get injured in week 1, I don't see how you can suggest with a straight face that the results can be used to condemn my process.

 

[Eraser]

This is unofficial, but I think we have a minor upset........

Eraser 38-17

Jayrok 37-18

Radballs 37-18

Sigmund Blooom 37-18

Mister CIA 36-19

ETA: I didn't break down the 2nd-4th scoring to determine actual spot.

 

[SSOG]

This is unofficial, but I think we have a minor upset........Eraser 38-17Jayrok 37-18Radballs 37-18Sigmund Blooom 37-18Mister CIA 36-19 ETA: I didn't break down the 2nd-4th scoring to determine actual spot.

Yeah, Jayrock's team really showed up this week and made me look stupid for discounting him, that's for sure.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I'll admit that you did well with your mid round RB/WR picks, but the bottom line is that when you take a 2nd or 3rd tier player with one of your premium picks, you put yourself behind the 8-ball for the rest of your draft. Part of your process was to take a player that had much more risk than the top players left at other positions with a premium pick because of an incorrectly perceived inflation of value at that position that did not bear out in practice.

The reason it didn't bear out in practice was because Kolb was hurt. Whether he was injured or not had nothing to do with whether he was a 3rd tier player or a 1st tier player. Had Kolb remained healthy, I'd be advancing right now. I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise, given how close I was to the cutoff. My flex produced 63.15 points for me. 16 QBs produced 80 or more fantasy points. Even if Kolb was QB15 or QB16, he would have represented an extra 4 PPG over what I got. The reason I didn't advance wasn't because I was "behind the 8-ball with the rest of my draft", because I was *AHEAD* of the 8-ball the rest of my draft. I flat-out stole McCoy, McFadden, Moss, and Floyd, and I was spot-on with my evaluation of "Cleveland RB" (but obviously injury threw a wrench in that plan). I felt like I was going to be placing a much higher emphasis on SoS than the rest of the league, and I felt that outside-the-box approach would result in several steals being available for me later in the draft, which freed me up to make a "luxury" pick in round 2 to secure a dominant flex play. From where I sit, that's good process all the way.Now, I'm not playing the "woe is me, life is unfair" card, because injuries are part of the game, and it's not like I was the only one who had to deal with them. That's fantasy football. I'm just saying, you can't evaluate my process based on my outcome. If I'd have known Kolb was going to get hurt in game 1, I wouldn't have drafted him. Unless you knew of some risk factors that you'd like to share with me that would have shown Kolb was going to get injured in week 1, I don't see how you can suggest with a straight face that the results can be used to condemn my process.

My #1 QB got hurt just as early and contributed less than your #2 that got hurt, but I was able to weather the storm because I had more bullets at other positions since I didnt make it a top priority to have a QB be my likely flex week to week.Four teams went QB-QB in the first four rounds, and none of them advanced. Im not sure how you can interpret as anything but evidence that QB heavy was not the winning strategy for this format. Evaluating that strategy by looking at just your team would be too narrow, but with 1/3 of the league employing it, I think we have enough data to make a conclusion.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Agree with Bloom. The guys in League 2, which also had SuperFlex, that advanced and their first two QB picks:

Me - 2nd, 9th

Tat - 2nd, 12th

JaxBill - 3rd, 5th

RJS - 2nd, 3rd

So just one out of 4 here in the first 4 rounds.

 

[SSOG]

My #1 QB got hurt just as early and contributed less than your #2 that got hurt, but I was able to weather the storm because I had more bullets at other positions since I didnt make it a top priority to have a QB be my likely flex week to week.Four teams went QB-QB in the first four rounds, and none of them advanced. Im not sure how you can interpret as anything but evidence that QB heavy was not the winning strategy for this format. Evaluating that strategy by looking at just your team would be too narrow, but with 1/3 of the league employing it, I think we have enough data to make a conclusion.

The cynic in me says you were able to weather the storm because Antonio Gates was far and away the MVP of this scoring format. You swap Gates and Clark, and I'd imagine our records would flip, too. The problem wasn't that I took a QB in the second, it's that when faced with a decision in the second of "draft Gates and take whichever QB falls to me in the 3rd, or draft Kolb and take whichever TE falls to me in the 3rd", I chose wrong, simply because I thought the dropoff from Gates to Clark wasn't as big as the dropoff from Kolb to whoever was left in the 3rd. That was a major swing and a miss.According to Construx's stats from the other league, only 1/8 of the advancing teams from the superflex leagues took 2 QBs in the first 4 rounds... but 3/8 took 2 QBs in the first 5 rounds. So "two QBs in the first 4 rounds" didn't advance at a higher-than-average rate, but "two QBs in the first 5 rounds" did. Oddly enough, nobody in Construx's league advanced without drafting at least one QB by the end of the 3rd, while nobody in our league who advanced took a QB earlier than the 4th. That's probably a pretty strong comment on the LEVEL of QB-craziness in the two leagues (our league took the QB flex mania too far), but again, that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the strategy itself.Either way, the sample is too small to be making sweeping conclusions. This isn't like the big survivor contest where we have over 10,000 entries to base our conclusions on. I still believe that two QBs early was a strong strategy in this format- especially given that I felt I had identified an inefficiency in the market that would allow me to get value at RB and WR later in the draft. You still disagree. I hope we get a chance next season to put the question to the test all over again.

 

[QuizGuy66]

This is unofficial, but I think we have a minor upset........Eraser 38-17Jayrok 37-18Radballs 37-18Sigmund Blooom 37-18Mister CIA 36-19 ETA: I didn't break down the 2nd-4th scoring to determine actual spot.

Yeah the Foster train stopped just short for Mister CIA. I suspect the KGB might be behind it T'was a fun contest for sure I'll have more on the QB deal after some post-mortem. Given that Schaub was 8th on my VBD list you can go with the concept that he was value at 10. He was ahead of Rivers who I took at #15 (and who was the #2 overall scorer). I'm not convinced (yet) that it was the strategy so much as it was the gross underperformance of my first round pick. Kevzilla didn't take any QBs until round 7 and got buried - largely because he had a rash of guys who vastly underperformed but were totally reasonable when taken. (MJD has brutalized him. Fitzgerald's decline wasn't quite expected either. For fun I think I'll put the actual results back into the VBD to see where they theoretically shoulda been drafted compared to where they were. It'll be interesting to say the least. FWIW I passed on Stephen Jackson (to draft Rivers at #14). Gore/Rivers would have stood me much better in hindsight of course. But then again somebody would've should've drafted Brandon Lloyd as well.FWIW draft positions 1, 2, 7, and 11 were the ones that moved on. Curious what positions moved on in the other leagues.Anyhow congrats to those advancing and thanks for the chance to play! Please represent league 8 well -QG

 

[Jayrok]

This is unofficial, but I think we have a minor upset........Eraser 38-17Jayrok 37-18Radballs 37-18Sigmund Blooom 37-18Mister CIA 36-19 ETA: I didn't break down the 2nd-4th scoring to determine actual spot.

Yeah, Jayrock's team really showed up this week and made me look stupid for discounting him, that's for sure.

I didn't know you discounted my chances until I read your other post above. Vick helped me along, for sure. But he wasn't the only guy on my team. I picked him late on the chance he would get an opportunity to play, and it worked out for a few weeks. I did the same with T Jackson on the off chance Favre didn't show up. That one didn't work out for me. But my core was at WR (Austin, White, Welker) and, I thought at draft time, RB. Injuries are rampant this season and effected everyone, but my entire backfield was a M*A*S*H unit at one point. R. Bush and P. Thomas both hurt... R. Rice was hurt for a few weeks. Maroney was a bust (trade) and Leon Washington only returned kicks, which he excelled at... for zero points for me. One of my best players actually turned out to be Mercedes Lewis at TE. He didn't catch much but most were for TDs. O. Daniels fell off the planet. I was glad that Rice came through in week 5. It was very close for the top 5 spots in our league. I made it to the final 12 last season and hope to get back there for another chance. Most of my final draft last season was spent on the phone with Clayton G., as Internet was down/intermitten in my region during our draft. It was awful.

 

[atcdav]

live scores acting up again? looks like it is not updating to high scoring players