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wat.Steve Young aint got #### on Rodgers - and they are totally different types of players. Don't let something silly like "stats" fool you.
Nah, with Rodgers at the helm they would feel just fine drafting different talent with a a high pick and having it work. And I'm very pro-Finley.
Thats great, but fact remains and im sure the packers realize, besides Vernon Davis there is no one even in contention with him for the WR type TE in the entire NFL.
To add to a decent list - Laurinaitas and Bradford from STL won't be traded anytime soon...Gates in SD seems to be a bit of a fixture. Polomalu - really...him anywhere except Pittsburgh? Cam Newton is the future of Carolina so i think he'll be there forever.I actually wouldn't be surprised to see McCoy move from the Eagles only based on guys waiting in the wings if they could get a killing for him.
Oh they would run around with Graham and Hernandez types just fine. Especially if they had them on rookie contracts.
good additions to a pretty good list, as of today.
I'll take Jimmy Graham over both of them
I think you could add Patrick Willis to your defensive list.
Joe Thomas as well. MAYBE Joe Haden. Just from the Browns, I am talking here.
I like Jimmy Graham, but Vernon Davis is a significantly better TE than him.
Graham is very good but I think he might be the product of the system and who is throwing him the ball. But if you are the Saints and what he does for that team I agree he would be untradeable.
Not sure you guys understand the gist...Aaron Rodgers in 7 years has a Super Bowl win and a 41-21 record with a qb rate of 103. (and has been a phenom in the post season, Kurt Warner-esque)
How did he do the next seven years?Not sure you guys understand the gist...Aaron Rodgers in 7 years has a Super Bowl win and a 41-21 record with a qb rate of 103. (and has been a phenom in the post season, Kurt Warner-esque)
Steve Young in 7 years was 15-24 and not a single playoff game to his record and a qb rating of about 78.
Amazingly well. He's lucky he went to the best team on the planet.How did he do the next seven years?Not sure you guys understand the gist...Aaron Rodgers in 7 years has a Super Bowl win and a 41-21 record with a qb rate of 103. (and has been a phenom in the post season, Kurt Warner-esque)
Steve Young in 7 years was 15-24 and not a single playoff game to his record and a qb rating of about 78.
Looking forward to next year when we're no longer just relying on Tampa years, backup to Montana years, and we expand our sample to 8 years and Young's 14-2 MVP season get included.Not sure you guys understand the gist...Aaron Rodgers in 7 years has a Super Bowl win and a 41-21 record with a qb rate of 103. (and has been a phenom in the post season, Kurt Warner-esque)
Steve Young in 7 years was 15-24 and not a single playoff game to his record and a qb rating of about 78.
With the current 2011 season in hand, he would still be a blur in Rodgers rear view mirror.Looking forward to next year when we're no longer just relying on Tampa years, backup to Montana years, and we expand our sample to 8 years and Young's 14-2 MVP season get included.Not sure you guys understand the gist...Aaron Rodgers in 7 years has a Super Bowl win and a 41-21 record with a qb rate of 103. (and has been a phenom in the post season, Kurt Warner-esque)
Steve Young in 7 years was 15-24 and not a single playoff game to his record and a qb rating of about 78.
Young had a 101 QB rating in 1991. I'm sure it was all his fault.
And you'd still be including two years on one of the worst teams in NFL history and four years backing up arguably the greatest QB in NFL history.With the current 2011 season in hand, he would still be a blur in Rodgers rear view mirror.Looking forward to next year when we're no longer just relying on Tampa years, backup to Montana years, and we expand our sample to 8 years and Young's 14-2 MVP season get included.Not sure you guys understand the gist...Aaron Rodgers in 7 years has a Super Bowl win and a 41-21 record with a qb rate of 103. (and has been a phenom in the post season, Kurt Warner-esque)
Steve Young in 7 years was 15-24 and not a single playoff game to his record and a qb rating of about 78.
Young had 6 double-digit winning seasons in his entire career. Rodgers will likely hit 5 double-digit winning season in the next couple weeks.
Young couldn't push a crappy team to lofty heights. We know that.Don't think there is a comparison to made with Rodgers on that tidbit though, as fate would have it.And you'd still be including two years on one of the worst teams in NFL history and four years backing up arguably the greatest QB in NFL history.With the current 2011 season in hand, he would still be a blur in Rodgers rear view mirror.Looking forward to next year when we're no longer just relying on Tampa years, backup to Montana years, and we expand our sample to 8 years and Young's 14-2 MVP season get included.Not sure you guys understand the gist...Aaron Rodgers in 7 years has a Super Bowl win and a 41-21 record with a qb rate of 103. (and has been a phenom in the post season, Kurt Warner-esque)
Steve Young in 7 years was 15-24 and not a single playoff game to his record and a qb rating of about 78.
Young's starting career began when he was 30. Six double digit winning seasons from 30-37 is pretty good. But keep on going with this argument you started with yourself...
That and he is set to be a free agent and they may not even sign him...but franchise him.I would bet if offered a high high pick for him they would take it.And Im pro-Finley too. Just don't think he is as irreplacable as some.
...and on the offensive side I would throw in Mangold.
McCoy is 23, how much younger do they need to go? He's not going anywhere. DeSean Jackson on the other hand...
You sure are throwing around a lot of stats for someone who said:
Especially blatantly incorrect stats.
Pretty sure he referenced Young above because Young retired as the all-time leader in passer rating, completion percentage and adjusted yards per attempt, some of which (passer rating and adj. yards/attempt) have not been approached by anyone until Rodgers. Also don't understand how they are totally different types of players. Both are/were mobile QBs whose games are/were based on accuracy. What do you see that is so different between the two?
Yeah. I should have said in my OP getting traded for draft picks only. If the Packers were offered something like Brees, Colston, Graham or any collection of players they could accept, I meant more just trading for draft picks.
Vernon Davis has to be the most underrated TE in the league. Players like Gronkowski and Graham have amazing QBs throwing to them and get called the best in the league. Vernon has Alex Smith throwing to him, and people either don't even have him in the conversation or just say "Oh well he was the only one Alex had to throw to, of course he'd tie the TE TD record"
Rodgers' first year starting he took over the 13-3 Packers, which lost by a FG in 0T in the NFC Championship game (similar to how the '90 49ers lost on a last second FG in the NFC Championship game). Rodgers led the '08 Packers to a 6-10 record.
Might want to check at a few other things that affected that year (and his actual play too).HTH
:whoosh: No kidding. Rodgers played very well that year despite the team going 6-10. Just like Young played very well in '91 (leading the league in passer rating and yards/attempt) despite the team missing the playoffs "for the first time in forever."
And Steve Young's first few years were affected by the horrible TB Bucs and being a backup, however Big Steel can't acknowledge that.
I'm not even sure they want him back next season. DJ Williams and Andrew Quarless are lesser players in the same mold.
Once they draft Andrew Luck, then Peyton Manning is tradeable.
