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Sunday@1

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This is the time of year that fantasy players occasionally give in to bad decisions and give FF a bad name. Here is an overview of the league and situation.

3 year old 10 team work league with all moderate to serious fans. All 10 are friendly and no jerks in the league.

Non keeper league with basic scoring.

$100.00 buy in and $2.00 per waiver, free trades

Payouts are mostly for the final teams with no weekly payouts.

$25.00 payout at end of season is given to whoever holds the category leader – QB, RB, WR , TE, K, DEF

*Note – Most owners didn’t want this but the Commish is lazy and never wants to do anything.*

The trade deadline has always been week 10 but the Commish moved it to week 13 without once the season started without telling anyone.When it was questioned, he said everyone knew which is false. This is key to the story.

Team “A” has a good team and is off to a good start and is 10-1. He is a waiver freak and add/drops players at an alarming rate. In fact, 54 waivers to date at $2.00 each not including 5+ trades. He was helped by McNabb& Willie Parker. So when McNabb went down he was left with scraps as a QB – Jason Campbell and other back up / fringe starter types. There isn’t anything to claim so he tries to trade – without success. I told my league mates to let him add a Charlie Frye type via waivers but do not help him.

He then turns to the worst team in the league “after” the original trade deadline and offers him Robbie Gould for Chad Pennington. I know CP isn’t great but he owns Jerricho and is better than what he has. Robbie Gould is the leading kicker so the bottom feeder would get $25 as a nice bonus to a bad year.

I am not involved in the trade but see this as “purchasing” a player and then when you add the fact that the trade deadline was moved, has a few owners pissed. Team “A” thinks of it as tactical warfare and everything is fair game. He contends that it isn’t a guarantee that Gould will win the high points so he sees it as just another trade. Gould has about a 20 point leading with 2 weeks to go.

How would this be good for the league when someone who is out of the playoff race is “acquiring” a kicker in week 11? Yes, it was supposedly within the rules but was it good for the league? This would be like kneeing an opposing player in the groin but since the ref didn’t see it and no flag was thrown it was okay. Remember, it isn’t the result it is the intent.

I blame the Commish for never stepping in after week 10 trade deadline confusion and even more so to allow this trade to go through.

I am a Commish of another league and I would at least question the move and as a team owner I wouldn’t stoop as low.

What say the FF community on this cheesy move?

Note - He has since moved Pennington for Phillip Rivers. :wall:

 
If you guys all had an issue with this trade deadline being moved earlier in the year, you should have as a group, explained your reasoning for not wanting it moved and voted as a league. I hate leagues where the commissioner is a dictator, but you guys didn't nip it in the bud earlier and now the commissioner can't really do anything about it as far as I'm concerned. Do you have a "No bud for Barry rule" (in other words, no trading cash or items for players?)? I don't think Pennington for Gould is out of line as much as how did he get Rivers for Pennington?

 
I told my league mates to let him add a Charlie Frye type via waivers but do not help him.
This concerns me more than your "beef". :wall:
That is exactly what I thought. How dare that guy trade for a player to circumvent the rest of the leagu from colluding against him. What was he thinking?
That wasn't what I meant. I was asking why would anyone want to help the first place team. It wasn't personal or an act of collusion. I thought it was common sense to not give him anything going into the playoffs.
 
If you guys all had an issue with this trade deadline being moved earlier in the year, you should have as a group, explained your reasoning for not wanting it moved and voted as a league. I hate leagues where the commissioner is a dictator, but you guys didn't nip it in the bud earlier and now the commissioner can't really do anything about it as far as I'm concerned.
:no:trade deadline was moved later in the year, not earlier, and supposedly without notice.No notice is an issue, but you said everyone's friendly and there are no jerks, so no reason to doubt the commish. This issue sounds like a he said, she saidThe rest is :cry: for which I have to say::violin:and :ptts:Gould for Pennie, regardless of motive, is a fair trade. Pennie for Rivers, regardless of motive, is a fair trade. There is no evidence of cheating. McNabb owner needed a QB and he got one. Pennie owner got the #1 kicker. The fact that $$ is associated with the #1 K in four weeks is not relevant - he could end NOT the #1 K.
 
BTW, the #1 team was probably kicking butt atr the K spot and he just lost that advantage.

My vote = quit yer whinin' - all the trades were fair, regardless of motive.

 
Sounds fair to me. Why would the first place guy piss away a sure $25 if he didn't need the QB upgrade. How is Pennington an upgrade from anything he had anyway? Seems to me he just wasted $25 so where's the concern from his end?

 
i'm getting tired of reading these stupid posts. if you're going to ##### about a trade in a league for no reason other than being bitter and whiney about it, you could at least make the post shorter....I kept thinking it was going to actually go somewhere.

 
Sounds fair to me. Why would the first place guy piss away a sure $25 if he didn't need the QB upgrade. How is Pennington an upgrade from anything he had anyway? Seems to me he just wasted $25 so where's the concern from his end?
:thumbup:great point.
 
i'm getting tired of reading these stupid posts. if you're going to ##### about a trade in a league for no reason other than being bitter and whiney about it, you could at least make the post shorter....I kept thinking it was going to actually go somewhere.
Granted, there is little point to the post, but you do have a choice in the matter. Just don't read it. Right?Like, what are you doing? Well, you're #####ing about a post "for no reason other than being bitter and whiney about it". And silly me... I kept thinking your post was actually going to go somewhere.
 
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This actually sounds like an example of a bottom-feeder demanding something of value in return for a startable player. Good for the last-place team.

Besides, he took something of value-- Gould. Everybody hates kickers, but Gould could provide 3-4 more points than the next best option...and that could cost this first-place team the title. Throw in the $25 possibility and I think he more than paid for Pennington/Rivers/whatever he ends up with.

 
I told my league mates to let him add a Charlie Frye type via waivers but do not help him.
This concerns me more than your "beef". :wall:
That is exactly what I thought. How dare that guy trade for a player to circumvent the rest of the leagu from colluding against him. What was he thinking?
:goodposting: :goodposting: Exactly. The only problem I see is with what the original poster did! He is trying to convince everybody to not trade with the #1 team, even when it would help both teams! You should be ashamed. And to think you feel you have the right to complain...
 
I told my league mates to let him add a Charlie Frye type via waivers but do not help him.
This concerns me more than your "beef". :wall:
That is exactly what I thought. How dare that guy trade for a player to circumvent the rest of the leagu from colluding against him. What was he thinking?
That wasn't what I meant. I was asking why would anyone want to help the first place team. It wasn't personal or an act of collusion. I thought it was common sense to not give him anything going into the playoffs.
Did you speak to other owners in the league and try to come to a group decision to not trade with him? If so, there is your collusion, also known as a Gentleman's Agreement. Another example would be if all the oil companies got together and decided that none of thme would charge less than $2.50/gal for gas. It is illegal. I think you are under the impression that because ther are a bunch of you that it couldn't be collusion, but that would be false.Looking at the trade all I can say is that it looks fair. A kicker for a low end QB. I love this time of year when all the threads complaining about the worst team in the league making a trade start showing up. I just can't figure out what you expect those guys to do. If you ask me the fact that Gould is the leading kicker and gives the last place team a shot at making some money legitimizes the trade even more. It proves that each team gave up something of value and each team got something valuable to them.Good trade in my eyes.Your beef is with the Commish for changing rules without league consent, but that is a different post for another day.
 
I would rather not start a thread, so I am going to vent in(hijack) this one. I have a team in the league I commish that is saying this will be his last year. He has traded away his first four picks in next year's draft . The most recent was by far the worst. Picks one and three for Frank Gore with four games to go.

This is standard scoring non-ppr league. We play sixteen regular season games and have an eight team playoff during the NFL playoffs. Regular season total points and Super Bowl champ split the pot.

But here is the rub: I am the only one who knows his intentions. I demanded he keep it to himself because I thought it would create a feeding frenzy. Big mistake. He is always a top team so I think everyone is happy to see him mortgage "his" future for possible success this year. There have been no objections whatsoever to his most recent trade. The only redemption is that his efforts have fallen short. He is currently eighty points out of first in the scoring race. His playoff outlook is bleak since he will not be a top seed which carries huge advantages in the playoffs. But he is making it impossible to get a new owner to take his team next year.

Whew.

I feel much better.

 
To the original poster - the problem is that you shouldn't be in a league with Team A Owner - he's clearly playing the game at a higher level than you are.

 
Sunday@1 said:
Mr. Know-It-All said:
Dreamer said:
Sunday@1 said:
I told my league mates to let him add a Charlie Frye type via waivers but do not help him.
This concerns me more than your "beef". :wall:
That is exactly what I thought. How dare that guy trade for a player to circumvent the rest of the leagu from colluding against him. What was he thinking?
That wasn't what I meant. I was asking why would anyone want to help the first place team. It wasn't personal or an act of collusion. I thought it was common sense to not give him anything going into the playoffs.
He's smarter than you.Get over it.
 
No worse than the trade in my league 4 weeks ago (Steve Smith for Dominick Rhodes) when it was clear that Addai was going to get the bulk from then on out. Ridiculous, but no reason to take action other than talking ####.

 
Sunday@1 said:
Mr. Know-It-All said:
Dreamer said:
Sunday@1 said:
I told my league mates to let him add a Charlie Frye type via waivers but do not help him.
This concerns me more than your "beef". :wall:
That is exactly what I thought. How dare that guy trade for a player to circumvent the rest of the leagu from colluding against him. What was he thinking?
That wasn't what I meant. I was asking why would anyone want to help the first place team. It wasn't personal or an act of collusion. I thought it was common sense to not give him anything going into the playoffs.
He's smarter than you.Get over it.
I entended this to be more about how the lack of a league Commish than who is smarter than someone else. As stated, the Commish needed to step and and at least question why a team out of the playoffs NEEDED to trade for a kicker in week #11? I also never organized a union to block a trade to team A but told one newbie to not deal with him as he is chasing him in the division. As far as being in over my head with team A that isn't the case. I admit that he wants to win more than me but that is my nature. Fantasy football doesn't define me it is something that I enjoy as I watch the games anyway.
 
I can see it now, Sunday@1 saying "Stupid FGB forum people, what do they know? This trade is completely wrong."

This is a fine trade. I think your point is more that the #1 team basically paid $25 to get Chad Pennington. If that is the case, well your rules allow it so it's all fair for that as well.

What I enjoyed most about this post was "the commisioner is lazy", "1st place team is unethical", and "last place team shouldn't help out the 1st place team"....everybody is to blame. If they are all so evil, why go in this league in the first place?

 
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Yes, valid, ethical trade.

You attempting to keep 8 other guys from trading with him is the only thing that I have a problem with. The trade is fair - 20ish QB for 1 K. How can you even think that's not right?

You are being bitter and don't like that the 10-1 team got any QBs after McNabb got hurt.

ETA - why wouldn't a guy in last place trade? i never understood those that think a team in last place can't trade with someone in first. They both paid their buy-in, so as far as I can see they can do whatever they want. Get over it.

 
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Sunday@1 said:
Mr. Know-It-All said:
Dreamer said:
Sunday@1 said:
I told my league mates to let him add a Charlie Frye type via waivers but do not help him.
This concerns me more than your "beef". :wall:
That is exactly what I thought. How dare that guy trade for a player to circumvent the rest of the leagu from colluding against him. What was he thinking?
That wasn't what I meant. I was asking why would anyone want to help the first place team. It wasn't personal or an act of collusion. I thought it was common sense to not give him anything going into the playoffs.
He's smarter than you.Get over it.
I also never organized a union to block a trade to team A but told one newbie to not deal with him as he is chasing him in the division.
:wall: :wall:
 
yetiknight said:
I would rather not start a thread, so I am going to vent in(hijack) this one. I have a team in the league I commish that is saying this will be his last year. He has traded away his first four picks in next year's draft . The most recent was by far the worst. Picks one and three for Frank Gore with four games to go.This is standard scoring non-ppr league. We play sixteen regular season games and have an eight team playoff during the NFL playoffs. Regular season total points and Super Bowl champ split the pot.But here is the rub: I am the only one who knows his intentions. I demanded he keep it to himself because I thought it would create a feeding frenzy. Big mistake. He is always a top team so I think everyone is happy to see him mortgage "his" future for possible success this year. There have been no objections whatsoever to his most recent trade. The only redemption is that his efforts have fallen short. He is currently eighty points out of first in the scoring race. His playoff outlook is bleak since he will not be a top seed which carries huge advantages in the playoffs. But he is making it impossible to get a new owner to take his team next year.Whew.I feel much better.
Way to not do your job. That league doesn't have a commissioner.
 
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