“Untouchable” players (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

So I think we established nobody is untouchable then??

 

[ghostguy123]

Bowers.

Could have been a senior in college last year. Instead he caught 100 balls with doo doo at QB. As a rookie TE.

Read those three sentences again.

Josh Gordon set records with doo doo at QB.
Never know how it's gonna go

 

[JohnnyU]

So I think we established nobody is untouchable then??

My wife said I was.

 

[Biabreakable]

Untouchable in terms of I'm not accepting anything close to what ppl consider "market value", is Zay Flowers.

If I had him I would consider him quite touchable.


Poor phrasing , perhaps.

If I had him I would look for the Soulfly3 in my league and get what I could for him.

 

[Snoopy]

If I played, I would be a pariah.

 

[Biabreakable]

And Barkley scored basically the same.
Both likely regress, and then there's also Lamb.

It's a shorter shelf life but obviously a 3 year upgrade

Barkley is much older than Chase which I absolutely factor in.

Plus I prefer to build around WR over RB. Personal preference.

And lamb outscored chase in both 2022 and 2023. Not exactly a slouch there

Didn’t say he was. I have more lamb shares - huge fan here.

But the question was about Barkley vs Chase. If it was Barkley vs Lamb I’d probably chose Lamb.

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The question was about Chase or Barkley AND Lamb

Ah, sorry - misread. Didn’t sleep well and was up at 4 for my farmers market.

I’d be more tempted by Lamb, but Barkley’s age would have me concerned that in a year or two it’s just Chase for Lamb with however long a rental of Barkley.

Certainly a fair deal. Probably an overpay. But Chase is my boo.

You are old enough to remember Randy Moss. Do you think Chase is as good as Moss was compared to his peers?

I guess its close enough for me to ask the question but I dont think Chase makes as big of difference vs the field in 2025 as Randy Moss did for most of his career.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So I think we established nobody is untouchable then??

I’m touchable. But me dinner 1st.





lol - the point I made earlier was that I would 100% deal chase for an unreasonably high offer.

London+Jeanty, or Lamb+Saquan are both pretty unreasonably high offers.

I don’t believe anyone in the league where I have Chase would offer those, and conversely if I had Lamb (which I do in one league) and Saquan (which I do in another league) I wouldn’t offer that much for Chase. I don’t have either London or Jeanty, so I can’t speak to that. But if I did, then no.

Therefore no, we have not established that. We’ve confirmed what I said earlier - that I would only sell for what I believe is an unreasonably high price.

 

[mjb03003]

This is a fun thread. Love the banter.

I think my takeaway thus far is to just say what you mean. If your best/favorite player is going to take a true Godfather offer, just say that. It’s actually perfectly deterrent to someone who was hoping to get your guy at “fair value,” whatever that might mean to them. And it might actually motivate someone who is dead set on acquiring to up the ante, bring out the big guns, back up the Brinks truck, yell out “YOLO,” or whatever you wanna call it when someone makes a true big boy offer.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Usually, if someone asks about a top 5 player that i own, I tell them straight out that anything is possible, but they'll bleed for it. Most will take the hint but some will try. It's usually fun to watch them try.

 

[mjb03003]

Usually, if someone asks about a top 5 player that i own, I tell them straight out that anything is possible, but they'll bleed for it. Most will take the hint but some will try. It's usually fun to watch them try.

Insert Jack Nicholson nodding GIF

 

[Biabreakable]

So I think we established nobody is untouchable then??

I’m touchable. But me dinner 1st.





lol - the point I made earlier was that I would 100% deal chase for an unreasonably high offer.

London+Jeanty, or Lamb+Saquan are both pretty unreasonably high offers.

I don’t believe anyone in the league where I have Chase would offer those, and conversely if I had Lamb (which I do in one league) and Saquan (which I do in another league) I wouldn’t offer that much for Chase. I don’t have either London or Jeanty, so I can’t speak to that. But if I did, then no.

Therefore no, we have not established that. We’ve confirmed what I said earlier - that I would only sell for what I believe is an unreasonably high price.

I would give Barkley and London for Chase. No problem.

Barkley is old and London tiers below Chase.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So I think we established nobody is untouchable then??

I’m touchable. But me dinner 1st.





lol - the point I made earlier was that I would 100% deal chase for an unreasonably high offer.

London+Jeanty, or Lamb+Saquan are both pretty unreasonably high offers.

I don’t believe anyone in the league where I have Chase would offer those, and conversely if I had Lamb (which I do in one league) and Saquan (which I do in another league) I wouldn’t offer that much for Chase. I don’t have either London or Jeanty, so I can’t speak to that. But if I did, then no.

Therefore no, we have not established that. We’ve confirmed what I said earlier - that I would only sell for what I believe is an unreasonably high price.

I would give Barkley and London for Chase. No problem.

Barkley is old and London tiers below Chase.

Only if your team could sustain the loss of a RB for the WR upgrade and still be as competitive, sure - I would too.

I’m operating with the assumption that the teams in my league with those dudes probably cannot afford to turn 2 top players into one if they’re in a win-now window.

 

[Biabreakable]

So I think we established nobody is untouchable then??

I’m touchable. But me dinner 1st.





lol - the point I made earlier was that I would 100% deal chase for an unreasonably high offer.

London+Jeanty, or Lamb+Saquan are both pretty unreasonably high offers.

I don’t believe anyone in the league where I have Chase would offer those, and conversely if I had Lamb (which I do in one league) and Saquan (which I do in another league) I wouldn’t offer that much for Chase. I don’t have either London or Jeanty, so I can’t speak to that. But if I did, then no.

Therefore no, we have not established that. We’ve confirmed what I said earlier - that I would only sell for what I believe is an unreasonably high price.

I would give Barkley and London for Chase. No problem.

Barkley is old and London tiers below Chase.

Only if your team could sustain the loss of a RB for the WR upgrade and still be as competitive, sure - I would too.

I’m operating with the assumption that the teams in my league with those dudes probably cannot afford to turn 2 top players into one if there in a win-now window.

Agreed.

A average team can't afford to do that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

An on-topic example just presented itself.

I was just offered 1.07 & 1.08 for ARSB

12-team SF PPR no d/st, no K start 10

2 calcs & draft sharks value chart have it even.

My 2 paid calcs (dynasty dominator & a competitor to FBG) have it 30% to my disadvantage & 50% to my disadvantage respectively.

Looking at the draft board, the next best 10 players are
1. Hunter
2. warren
3. Loveland
4. RJ Harvey
5. Egbuka
6. Kaleb Johnson
7. Golden
8. Burden
9. Higgins
10. Harris

I can’t afford to lose a WR and not gain a WR, so I have to take Hunter.

but why would I downgrade from ARSB (a player I absolutely love who’s in a great situation) for Travis Hunter and 1 of those other picks?

It would take an bigtime overpay and this ain’t it.

I’m gonna look his roster over and see if there’s something that makes sense, but I have Chase, ARSB, & AJB and don’t want to break that up.

And if I’m not favored on my fav calcs I see no reason to make that move.

 

[mjb03003]

An on-topic example just presented itself.

I was just offered 1.07 & 1.08 for ARSB

12-team SF PPR no d/st, no K start 10

2 calcs & draft sharks value chart have it even.

My 2 paid calcs (dynasty dominator & a competitor to FBG) have it 30% to my disadvantage & 50% to my disadvantage respectively.

Looking at the draft board, the next best 10 players are
1. Hunter
2. warren
3. Loveland
4. RJ Harvey
5. Egbuka
6. Kaleb Johnson
7. Golden
8. Burden
9. Higgins
10. Harris

I can’t afford to lose a WR and not gain a WR, so I have to take Hunter.

but why would I downgrade from ARSB (a player I absolutely love who’s in a great situation) for Travis Hunter and 1 of those other picks?

It would take an bigtime overpay and this ain’t it.

I’m gonna look his roster over and see if there’s something that makes sense, but I have Chase, ARSB, & AJB and don’t want to break that up.

And if I’m not favored on my fav calcs I see no reason to make that move.

But you’re gonna look at the rest of his roster and see if there’s a counter that might push you to make that move. So obviously ARSB is not untouchable.

The fact that you even checked calcs at all shows me you’re open to trading him if the value is right.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But you’re gonna look at the rest of his roster and see if there’s a counter that might push you to make that move. So obviously ARSB is not untouchable.

The fact that you even checked calcs at all shows me you’re open to trading him if the value is right.

No - I’m open to trading him if I can get a dramatic overpay.

Because short of that I have zero interest in moving him.

But I could use a RB, so if this dude wants to give me Hampton + 1.07 & 1.08? Sure - I consider that.

Or give me 1.07 & 1.08 + Kyler Murray and I’ll send ARSB + ARich? Yeah, that’s a massive overpay and I’d probably do that one.

But ARSB isn’t Chase. He’s touchable, for a big overpay as in those examples. I’d need an even bigger overpay for Chase to the point of being unrealistic.

 

[mjb03003]

But you’re gonna look at the rest of his roster and see if there’s a counter that might push you to make that move. So obviously ARSB is not untouchable.

The fact that you even checked calcs at all shows me you’re open to trading him if the value is right.

No - I’m open to trading him if I can get a dramatic overpay.

Because short of that I have zero interest in moving him.

But I could use a RB, so if this dude wants to give me Hampton + 1.07 & 1.08? Sure - I consider that.

Or give me 1.07 & 1.08 + Kyler Murray and I’ll send ARSB + ARich? Yeah, that’s a massive overpay and I’d probably do that one.

But ARSB isn’t Chase. He’s touchable, for a big overpay as in those examples. I’d need an even bigger overpay for Chase to the point of being unrealistic.

I get it. My point is that telling your trade partner that ARSB is untouchable in this scenario would be, IMO, bad process. Too many people do that and I find it off putting. In this case the opening offer is reasonable and it’s totally fair to say thanks but I’m pretty happy with my WR trio and would probably need a more significant overpay to move off him.

Maybe I’m expecting too much from trade partners.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But you’re gonna look at the rest of his roster and see if there’s a counter that might push you to make that move. So obviously ARSB is not untouchable.

The fact that you even checked calcs at all shows me you’re open to trading him if the value is right.

No - I’m open to trading him if I can get a dramatic overpay.

Because short of that I have zero interest in moving him.

But I could use a RB, so if this dude wants to give me Hampton + 1.07 & 1.08? Sure - I consider that.

Or give me 1.07 & 1.08 + Kyler Murray and I’ll send ARSB + ARich? Yeah, that’s a massive overpay and I’d probably do that one.

But ARSB isn’t Chase. He’s touchable, for a big overpay as in those examples. I’d need an even bigger overpay for Chase to the point of being unrealistic.

I get it. My point is that telling your trade partner that ARSB is untouchable in this scenario would be, IMO, bad process. Too many people do that and I find it off putting. In this case the opening offer is reasonable and it’s totally fair to say thanks but I’m pretty happy with my WR trio and would probably need a more significant overpay to move off him.

Maybe I’m expecting too much from trade partners.

His first Q to me:
“Any interest in moving Amon Ra for both these picks?”

My response:
“None whatsoever but I could think about it for a spell. lol”

I then told him roughly what I just posted - that it would take a massive overpay, just those 2 picks wouldn’t be enough.

Also I let him know I overpaid for ARSB, so calcs & charts go out the window, sunk cost fallacy be damned.

he said to take a look at his roster and consider it. If I do put an offer up it will be so large that I will be able to sleep at night knowing I risked losing ARSB, that’s for certain.

 

[mjb03003]

But you’re gonna look at the rest of his roster and see if there’s a counter that might push you to make that move. So obviously ARSB is not untouchable.

The fact that you even checked calcs at all shows me you’re open to trading him if the value is right.

No - I’m open to trading him if I can get a dramatic overpay.

Because short of that I have zero interest in moving him.

But I could use a RB, so if this dude wants to give me Hampton + 1.07 & 1.08? Sure - I consider that.

Or give me 1.07 & 1.08 + Kyler Murray and I’ll send ARSB + ARich? Yeah, that’s a massive overpay and I’d probably do that one.

But ARSB isn’t Chase. He’s touchable, for a big overpay as in those examples. I’d need an even bigger overpay for Chase to the point of being unrealistic.

I get it. My point is that telling your trade partner that ARSB is untouchable in this scenario would be, IMO, bad process. Too many people do that and I find it off putting. In this case the opening offer is reasonable and it’s totally fair to say thanks but I’m pretty happy with my WR trio and would probably need a more significant overpay to move off him.

Maybe I’m expecting too much from trade partners.

His first Q to me:
“Any interest in moving Amon Ra for both these picks?”

My response:
“None whatsoever but I could think about it for a spell. lol”

I then told him roughly what I just posted - that it would take a massive overpay, just those 2 picks wouldn’t be enough.

Also I let him know I overpaid for ARSB, so calcs & charts go out the window, sunk cost fallacy be damned.

he said to take a look at his roster and consider it. If I do put an offer up it will be so large that I will be able to sleep at night knowing I risked losing ARSB, that’s for certain.

This could be a totally different thread, but if someone inquires about one of my top tier guys and they want me to do the work of reviewing their roster and make the opening offer, I usually don’t play that game.

When someone makes a good faith swing at it with an opening offer I’ll definitely take a minute to look at their roster and see if there’s a counter.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This could be a totally different thread, but if someone inquires about one of my top tier guys and they want me to do the work of reviewing their roster and make the opening offer, I usually don’t play that game.

When someone makes a good faith swing at it with an opening offer I’ll definitely take a minute to look at their roster and see if there’s a counter.

Generally I agree. But I’m actually the opposite on one like this.

For one like this I’m going to do legwork, and figure out what the most I could ask for in a way that borders on the ridiculous without actually breaching into the realm of preposterous. Teetering on the precipice of absurd, while not quite toppling into madness.



It will set the expectation. They could always try to talk me down from that ledge, but I’m unlikely to budge.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

On a more serious note, I’ve steered them towards an overpay for AJB, who at 28 (in June) is more touchable.

Hunter+Hampton+1.09 could persuade me to move AJB. Not sure they’ll pay that, but that’ll be my opening offer. It’s rude, and stupid, but it’s mine.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Yeah, that didn’t work.

But there is a discussion about ARSB ongoing. I’m not optimistic

ETA: and there it is — 3 hours of mulling, got to a convo, fleshed out a deal that we could both live with that was a huge overpay on paper and… pffft.

Fizzled. I couldn’t bring myself to making the offer.

FWIW
I give: ARSB+ARich+Darnold
I get: Murray+1.07+1.08

I can’t afford to lose a WR without adding one, so 1.07 = Hunter (this is not IDP) and I’d have taken Harvey at 1.08.

The upgrade at QB seemed marginal (between Darnold & ARich at QB2 the weekly points probably not too far off) and the drop off from ARSB’s plug and play (plus the fact that he’s one of my favorite NFL players) to Hunter’s being WR2 on the Jags just didn’t seem worth adding a RB. And if ARich does come around, I’ll have given away him for way less than peak value in a deal for Murray, a QB I don’t really like that much to begin with. Plus then I’m counting on Cam Ward as my QB2, and that’s a little dicey. Feels safer with 3 shots at 2 starting QBs in this format.

I know the value was there. I could have taken my hoard of riches and flipped Murray, maybe Hunter too. But that’s so much work, and honestly I’m tired. I’ve made so many deals across my 3 leagues the last week, and in this particular league getting a top ~15 WR is very difficult.

Maybe I’m crazy. But I guess ARSB really is untouchable in my situation. I was in the LCG last year. I’m hesitant to move one of the main pieces that got me there.

I’ll probably look back on this one EOY and kick myself.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

On a more serious note, I’ve steered them towards an overpay for AJB, who at 28 (in June) is more touchable.

Hunter+Hampton+1.09 could persuade me to move AJB. Not sure they’ll pay that, but that’ll be my opening offer. It’s rude, and stupid, but it’s mine.

That's more of an ARSB offer, and probably an overpay even for him.

Hunter and Hampton are both worth about the same as AJB alone in startup drafts.

 

[Soulfly3]

Untouchable in terms of I'm not accepting anything close to what ppl consider "market value", is Zay Flowers.

If I had him I would consider him quite touchable.


Poor phrasing , perhaps.

If I had him I would look for the Soulfly3 in my league and get what I could for him.

since some of you shmucks are accepting ate 1sts for him, Id be laughing in your faces

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

On a more serious note, I’ve steered them towards an overpay for AJB, who at 28 (in June) is more touchable.

Hunter+Hampton+1.09 could persuade me to move AJB. Not sure they’ll pay that, but that’ll be my opening offer. It’s rude, and stupid, but it’s mine.

That's more of an ARSB offer, and probably an overpay even for him.

Hunter and Hampton are both worth about the same as AJB alone in startup drafts.

Oh for sure. I never actually floated that one. See above - we got back to ARSB. Would have brought back both rookie picks with a QB upgrade. I couldn’t do it. Untouchable.

 

[cdclopper]

And Barkley scored basically the same.
Both likely regress, and then there's also Lamb.

It's a shorter shelf life but obviously a 3 year upgrade

Barkley is much older than Chase which I absolutely factor in.

Plus I prefer to build around WR over RB. Personal preference.

And lamb outscored chase in both 2022 and 2023. Not exactly a slouch there

Didn’t say he was. I have more lamb shares - huge fan here.

But the question was about Barkley vs Chase. If it was Barkley vs Lamb I’d probably chose Lamb.

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The question was about Chase or Barkley AND Lamb

Ah, sorry - misread. Didn’t sleep well and was up at 4 for my farmers market.

I’d be more tempted by Lamb, but Barkley’s age would have me concerned that in a year or two it’s just Chase for Lamb with however long a rental of Barkley.

Certainly a fair deal. Probably an overpay. But Chase is my boo.

Lamb is only 1yr older than Chase and has been every bit as good as Chase if not better when Dak plays.

I actually think moving Chase for Lamb+ is a pretty good move right now as I chances are good that their perceived value to be back near around equal by the time we hit the halfway mark this year.

I happen to have an offer to move Chase for 1.09 + Lamb. Calculators say it's fair. Still I'm not sure. Draft is today. The 9 spot is the worst spot to be drafting this year for me unless somehow Ameka is there.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And Barkley scored basically the same.
Both likely regress, and then there's also Lamb.

It's a shorter shelf life but obviously a 3 year upgrade

Barkley is much older than Chase which I absolutely factor in.

Plus I prefer to build around WR over RB. Personal preference.

And lamb outscored chase in both 2022 and 2023. Not exactly a slouch there

Didn’t say he was. I have more lamb shares - huge fan here.

But the question was about Barkley vs Chase. If it was Barkley vs Lamb I’d probably chose Lamb.

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The question was about Chase or Barkley AND Lamb

Ah, sorry - misread. Didn’t sleep well and was up at 4 for my farmers market.

I’d be more tempted by Lamb, but Barkley’s age would have me concerned that in a year or two it’s just Chase for Lamb with however long a rental of Barkley.

Certainly a fair deal. Probably an overpay. But Chase is my boo.

Lamb is only 1yr older than Chase and has been every bit as good as Chase if not better when Dak plays.

I actually think moving Chase for Lamb+ is a pretty good move right now as I chances are good that their perceived value to be back near around equal by the time we hit the halfway mark this year.

I happen to have an offer to move Chase for 1.09 + Lamb. Calculators say it's fair. Still I'm not sure. Draft is today. The 9 spot is the worst spot to be drafting this year for me unless somehow Ameka is there.

That’s one where I’d be waiting until that 1.09 was OTC

Otherwise it’s a downgrade to Lamb (not the worst downgrade) for a magic bean who could be a player you don’t want.

 

[cdclopper]

And Barkley scored basically the same.
Both likely regress, and then there's also Lamb.

It's a shorter shelf life but obviously a 3 year upgrade

Barkley is much older than Chase which I absolutely factor in.

Plus I prefer to build around WR over RB. Personal preference.

And lamb outscored chase in both 2022 and 2023. Not exactly a slouch there

Didn’t say he was. I have more lamb shares - huge fan here.

But the question was about Barkley vs Chase. If it was Barkley vs Lamb I’d probably chose Lamb.

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The question was about Chase or Barkley AND Lamb

Ah, sorry - misread. Didn’t sleep well and was up at 4 for my farmers market.

I’d be more tempted by Lamb, but Barkley’s age would have me concerned that in a year or two it’s just Chase for Lamb with however long a rental of Barkley.

Certainly a fair deal. Probably an overpay. But Chase is my boo.

Lamb is only 1yr older than Chase and has been every bit as good as Chase if not better when Dak plays.

I actually think moving Chase for Lamb+ is a pretty good move right now as I chances are good that their perceived value to be back near around equal by the time we hit the halfway mark this year.

I happen to have an offer to move Chase for 1.09 + Lamb. Calculators say it's fair. Still I'm not sure. Draft is today. The 9 spot is the worst spot to be drafting this year for me unless somehow Ameka is there.

That’s one where I’d be waiting until that 1.09 was OTC

Otherwise it’s a downgrade to Lamb (not the worst downgrade) for a magic bean who could be a player you don’t want.

I feel like the odds Lamb outscores Chase in any given year are vastly not appreciated. Probably 25%, maybe more. I'd feel better about it if there weren't questions around Dak's health.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I feel like the odds Lamb outscores Chase in any given year are vastly not appreciated. Probably 25%, maybe more. I'd feel better about it if there weren't questions around Dak's health.

I’d put at greater than zero but far less than 25%

Cowboys run too much for it to be a realistic expectation in my opinion.

But hey, keep that dream alive. I roster Lamb in my main dynasty league so let’s hope you’re correct.

On Reddit’s sleeper sub I just saw a trade offer of Breece Hall + 3x 2027 1sts (no indication of early or late) for Chase.

Definitely a smash accept for me.

That’s the level of ridiculousness that would move me off of Chase. That said, I’d have to be either rebuilding & flip Hall for even more picks, or I’d flip hall & a 1st for another elite WR like Lamb.

So I guess Chase isn’t untouchable to me - it would just have to be a stupid overpay like that.

 

[cdclopper]

I feel like the odds Lamb outscores Chase in any given year are vastly not appreciated. Probably 25%, maybe more. I'd feel better about it if there weren't questions around Dak's health.

I’d put at greater than zero but far less than 25%

Cowboys run too much for it to be a realistic expectation in my opinion.

But hey, keep that dream alive. I roster Lamb in my main dynasty league so let’s hope you’re correct.

On Reddit’s sleeper sub I just saw a trade offer of Breece Hall + 3x 2027 1sts (no indication of early or late) for Chase.

Definitely a smash accept for me.

That’s the level of ridiculousness that would move me off of Chase. That said, I’d have to be either rebuilding & flip Hall for even more picks, or I’d flip hall & a 1st for another elite WR like Lamb.

So I guess Chase isn’t untouchable to me - it would just have to be a stupid overpay like that.

You can literally just look up the numbers. Lamb and Chase have been in the league together 4 years. Lamb has outscored Chase 2 out of 4 years.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I feel like the odds Lamb outscores Chase in any given year are vastly not appreciated. Probably 25%, maybe more. I'd feel better about it if there weren't questions around Dak's health.

I’d put at greater than zero but far less than 25%

Cowboys run too much for it to be a realistic expectation in my opinion.

But hey, keep that dream alive. I roster Lamb in my main dynasty league so let’s hope you’re correct.

On Reddit’s sleeper sub I just saw a trade offer of Breece Hall + 3x 2027 1sts (no indication of early or late) for Chase.

Definitely a smash accept for me.

That’s the level of ridiculousness that would move me off of Chase. That said, I’d have to be either rebuilding & flip Hall for even more picks, or I’d flip hall & a 1st for another elite WR like Lamb.

So I guess Chase isn’t untouchable to me - it would just have to be a stupid overpay like that.

You can literally just look up the numbers. Lamb and Chase have been in the league together 4 years. Lamb has outscored Chase 2 out of 4 years.

Yes I’m aware of their careers.

You’re talking about the past, I’m projecting to the future.

I concede it’s possible. But I don’t believe It’s likely that Lamb outscores Chase moving forward.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

I do not have anyone on my current roster who is untouchable, but I have tried to buy Lamb and Bowers from an owner, and these two are untouchable. I threw the whole kitchen sink at him and chucked a blender he rejected on multiple occasions. This team has been rebuilding for a couple of years, and though a little better, it's still a ways off. This would have been the draft to rebuild with, but other folks see it differently. I threw a pretty big overpay his way. I tried to trade for these two separately for context for the last year. I have given up and am moving in a different direction. I have decided he is okay with a four or five-year rebuild. No judgement, I can respect that. I do not have the patience for that. I also understand holding onto Bowers since he was a rookie and a foundation piece. I threw the most at him for Bowers, but Lamb should be a touchable player with an overpay. I would not overpay for Lamb like I would Bowers, but I think Lamb is still worth an overpay.

My team is a contending team at the moment, but I'm slowly adding rebuild pieces at WR and TE

 

[jwsbowler]

So, if a trade offer of CeeDee Lamb for Amon-Ra St. Brown came to you, what would you do?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I feel like the odds Lamb outscores Chase in any given year are vastly not appreciated. Probably 25%, maybe more. I'd feel better about it if there weren't questions around Dak's health.

I’d put at greater than zero but far less than 25%

Cowboys run too much for it to be a realistic expectation in my opinion.

But hey, keep that dream alive. I roster Lamb in my main dynasty league so let’s hope you’re correct.

On Reddit’s sleeper sub I just saw a trade offer of Breece Hall + 3x 2027 1sts (no indication of early or late) for Chase.

Definitely a smash accept for me.

That’s the level of ridiculousness that would move me off of Chase. That said, I’d have to be either rebuilding & flip Hall for even more picks, or I’d flip hall & a 1st for another elite WR like Lamb.

So I guess Chase isn’t untouchable to me - it would just have to be a stupid overpay like that.

Even last year, a career year for both Burrow and Chase, at the time Dak got hurt in week 10 Chase was only 0.3ppg ahead of Lamb.

When their QBs are healthy they're 50/50. And Burrow has gotten hurt just as much as Dak.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

When their QBs are healthy they're 50/50. And Burrow has gotten hurt just as much as Dak

Maybe it’s psychological.

I don’t recall Lamb ever having a ceiling game like Chase, but it’s close. lamb had 2x 44+ in 2023, and a 46+ last year. Chase had 3 games over 40, and last year and the year before he topped 55.

But sure, their numbers aren’t that far apart. I have one in one league and the other in another - it would take a major overpay to get me off of either.

So back to the original question, sure I’d move off Chase for Lamb+Barkley, but it’s an unrealistic scenario because no one’s gonna offer me that.

 

[ghostguy123]

Speaking of untouchables, this deal just happened in a startup, single QB, FFPC

Pick 1.02

For

2.06, 5.07, future 1st

I assume Chase goes 1.01

 

[IHEARTFF]

Speaking of untouchables, this deal just happened in a startup, single QB, FFPC

Pick 1.02

For

2.06, 5.07, future 1st

I assume Chase goes 1.01

I’ll take Bijan

 

[ghostguy123]

Speaking of untouchables, this deal just happened in a startup, single QB, FFPC

Pick 1.02

For

2.06, 5.07, future 1st

I assume Chase goes 1.01

I’ll take Bijan

Just curious, would you trade Bijan for 4 future 1sts?

 

[IHEARTFF]

Speaking of untouchables, this deal just happened in a startup, single QB, FFPC

Pick 1.02

For

2.06, 5.07, future 1st

I assume Chase goes 1.01

I’ll take Bijan

Just curious, would you trade Bijan for 4 future 1sts?

I think so

 

[ghostguy123]

Speaking of untouchables, this deal just happened in a startup, single QB, FFPC

Pick 1.02

For

2.06, 5.07, future 1st

I assume Chase goes 1.01

I’ll take Bijan

Just curious, would you trade Bijan for 4 future 1sts?

I think so

Just asking, cause 2.06 and 5.07 would fairly easily be able to get you 3 future 1sts, plus probably a bit more

 

[IHEARTFF]

Speaking of untouchables, this deal just happened in a startup, single QB, FFPC

Pick 1.02

For

2.06, 5.07, future 1st

I assume Chase goes 1.01

I’ll take Bijan

Just curious, would you trade Bijan for 4 future 1sts?

I think so

Just asking, cause 2.06 and 5.07 would fairly easily be able to get you 3 future 1sts, plus probably a bit more

Interesting point. Maybe I would need to know more about the firsts. But this trade is roughly MH Jr and RJ Harvey and a random 1st for Bijan.

 

[ghostguy123]

Speaking of untouchables, this deal just happened in a startup, single QB, FFPC

Pick 1.02

For

2.06, 5.07, future 1st

I assume Chase goes 1.01

I’ll take Bijan

Just curious, would you trade Bijan for 4 future 1sts?

I think so

Just asking, cause 2.06 and 5.07 would fairly easily be able to get you 3 future 1sts, plus probably a bit more

Interesting point. Maybe I would need to know more about the firsts. But this trade is roughly MH Jr and RJ Harvey and a random 1st for Bijan.

Every startup goes a bit different, but value-wise pretty close to that though generally the top 10 rookies this year are gone before 5.07.
However, I've never seen a startup where 5.07 can't fetch a future 1st straight up, and 2.06 can probably get you back something like an early 4th round startup pick plus another future 1st.
So, basically you could grab something like the 5th rookie off the board plus three future 1sts.

I would agree a trade like that looks less desirable if you were to stand pat and draft, I sure wouldnt intend to do that if moved pick 2 for that package

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Speaking of untouchables, this deal just happened in a startup, single QB, FFPC

Pick 1.02

For

2.06, 5.07, future 1st

I assume Chase goes 1.01

I’ll take Bijan

Just curious, would you trade Bijan for 4 future 1sts?

Yes.

Wait. How far into the future?

Also this is a start-up, so…yeah, that’s a harder call.

 

[ghostguy123]

Speaking of untouchables, this deal just happened in a startup, single QB, FFPC

Pick 1.02

For

2.06, 5.07, future 1st

I assume Chase goes 1.01

I’ll take Bijan

Just curious, would you trade Bijan for 4 future 1sts?

Yes.

Wait. How far into the future?

Also this is a start-up, so…yeah, that’s a harder call.

Future 1sts only go 1 year out, so 2026

 

[ghostguy123]

And yeah if you deal 5.07 you could end up getting picks 11 and 12 from the original deal.
Or 1 and 2. You never know in FFPC with the losers bracket determining draft order for the top 6 picks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And yeah if you deal 5.07 you could end up getting picks 11 and 12 from the original deal.
Or 1 and 2. You never know in FFPC with the losers bracket determining draft order for the top 6 picks.

That’s just such a tough call. Working through it…

So one could get 4x 2026 1sts. Which could end up 9, 10, 11, 12, or could be anywhere from the sound of it.

Which worst case, could still could produce more value than Bijan. Certainly greater than zero chance of that.

Also kinda punting current year, since no 1st round start-up pick. But presumably a 1st round 2025 rookie draft pick?

Which potentially makes that team’s own 1st round pick fairly high. So really it’s 5x 2026 1sts with one (your own) fairly high.

At that point might as well punt a 3rd for more future 1sts, further ensuring that you’re not competitive in 2025 to get a higher pick. Soft-tanking, as it were.

Intriguing style - gotta be patient but I could see it paying off bigtime.

2 teams in my 16 team startup tried that approach. They moved their 1sts, and drafted position players. Stacked up future picks. Neither has been able to land 2 QBs (it’s SF) yet, and it’d been 3 years. lol

But they didn’t get 4x 1sts from the next draft. Thats a lot of value.

 

[IHEARTFF]

And yeah if you deal 5.07 you could end up getting picks 11 and 12 from the original deal.
Or 1 and 2. You never know in FFPC with the losers bracket determining draft order for the top 6 picks.

That’s just such a tough call. Working through it…

So one could get 4x 2026 1sts. Which could end up 9, 10, 11, 12, or could be anywhere from the sound of it.

Which worst case, could still could produce more value than Bijan. Certainly greater than zero chance of that.

Also kinda punting current year, since no 1st round start-up pick. But presumably a 1st round 2025 rookie draft pick?

Which potentially makes that team’s own 1st round pick fairly high. So really it’s 5x 2026 1sts with one (your own) fairly high.

At that point might as well punt a 3rd for more future 1sts, further ensuring that you’re not competitive in 2025 to get a higher pick. Soft-tanking, as it were.

Intriguing style - gotta be patient but I could see it paying off bigtime.

2 teams in my 16 team startup tried that approach. They moved their 1sts, and drafted position players. Stacked up future picks. Neither has been able to land 2 QBs (it’s SF) yet, and it’d been 3 years. lol

But they didn’t get 4x 1sts from the next draft. Thats a lot of value.

Then turn those into 10 2027 1sts and hope you bink J Smith

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Then turn those into 10 2027 1sts and hope you bink J Smith

Why stop there? 15 2028 1sts!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Speaking of untouchables, this deal just happened in a startup, single QB, FFPC

Pick 1.02

For

2.06, 5.07, future 1st

I assume Chase goes 1.01

I’ll take Bijan

Just curious, would you trade Bijan for 4 future 1sts?

I think so

Just asking, cause 2.06 and 5.07 would fairly easily be able to get you 3 future 1sts, plus probably a bit more

Interesting point. Maybe I would need to know more about the firsts. But this trade is roughly MH Jr and RJ Harvey and a random 1st for Bijan.

Every startup goes a bit different, but value-wise pretty close to that though generally the top 10 rookies this year are gone before 5.07.
However, I've never seen a startup where 5.07 can't fetch a future 1st straight up, and 2.06 can probably get you back something like an early 4th round startup pick plus another future 1st.
So, basically you could grab something like the 5th rookie off the board plus three future 1sts.

I would agree a trade like that looks less desirable if you were to stand pat and draft, I sure wouldnt intend to do that if moved pick 2 for that package

Future 1sts get more valuable every year. Mid 6th used to be the going rate for a future 1st and it was easy to swap. That's pretty hard to pull off now. Now it's a 5th and you've gotta throw in a little extra on top of the 5th in most drafts.

By FFPC ADP btw this is

Nabers
for
Ladd, McLaurin, 2026 1st

Which honestly in that deal I'd take Nabers pretty easily. Though I do think you can do better than McLaurin at 5.07 and I'm surprised his ADP is there. But the highest rookie available at that spot via ADP is Golden who I'm not stoked about either, and would still prefer the Nabers side if you plugged Golden in for Terry.

Just goes back to my point that trading up in startups usually nets the better players in the end. Even in this case where it seems like a MASSIVE overpay when looking at the picks, it's actually pretty equal if not a little light once you plug the players in.

ETA: Just saw your post about flipping those picks for more 1sts and I agree, doing it that way makes it better.

 

[ghostguy123]

And yeah if you deal 5.07 you could end up getting picks 11 and 12 from the original deal.
Or 1 and 2. You never know in FFPC with the losers bracket determining draft order for the top 6 picks.

That’s just such a tough call. Working through it…

So one could get 4x 2026 1sts. Which could end up 9, 10, 11, 12, or could be anywhere from the sound of it.

Which worst case, could still could produce more value than Bijan. Certainly greater than zero chance of that.

Also kinda punting current year, since no 1st round start-up pick. But presumably a 1st round 2025 rookie draft pick?

Which potentially makes that team’s own 1st round pick fairly high. So really it’s 5x 2026 1sts with one (your own) fairly high.

At that point might as well punt a 3rd for more future 1sts, further ensuring that you’re not competitive in 2025 to get a higher pick. Soft-tanking, as it were.

Intriguing style - gotta be patient but I could see it paying off bigtime.

2 teams in my 16 team startup tried that approach. They moved their 1sts, and drafted position players. Stacked up future picks. Neither has been able to land 2 QBs (it’s SF) yet, and it’d been 3 years. lol

But they didn’t get 4x 1sts from the next draft. Thats a lot of value.

Well, the team trading up won't have as much depth, so one bad injury can easily derail their season. Plus they have less future capital to make an in-season move.
Plus, not like pick 18 is awful. Barkley, Njigba.......

Not to mention other trade possibilities.