Vick Wants To Plead Guilty On State Charges (1 Viewer)

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I don't think Goodell will allow him to play...ever

As tough as Goodell has been on guys like Jones who are perpetual dipsticks, seems hard to believe he'd let vick come back.

The difference is that Vick hasn't been a "perpetual dipstick" but instead made one serious error in judgement. I think if Vick serves his time and repented for his actions (getting involved with PETA would be a smart move) then Goodell would not suspend him any additional time from the league.

Hasn't been a perpetual dipstick? One error in judgement? Seriously? Ron Mexico. Water Bottle. Electrocuting, shooting, and beating dogs to death? We're not talking about a single decision. He purposely and repeatedly killed dogs in as inhumane ways as you can think of over a period of MONTHS. This isn't a single decision. He made the decision to participate in this many many times. The Ron Mexico and water bottle incidents are him being a dipstick. Torturing dogs over a period of time is not the same as getting in a fight with your body guard. It is also not the same as killing someone by accident. Yes, Little was drunk and did something insanely stupid. It is a tragedy that should not have happened but it was an accident. It wasn't a willful act. Vick PURPOSELY tortured and killed the dogs. That is so beyond dipstick it's ridiculous. I won't be surprised if Vick fools enough people to be let back into the NFL but I don't believe a bit of time in jail is going to do anything to make him anything but a self-centered ###.

I know you won't be able to see the difference. But after a dogfight dogs can be too injured to live (as happens in horseracing, and other animal competitions). The different methods of death were essentially "the quickest method" of putting that animal out of his misery. In the country, that's with whatever is closest around. But the point wasn't to somehow torture these animals. It was to put them out of their misery after dogfighting.*note I have never been to a dog-fight. Nor would I want to. I love animals. However, this is a sport and activity that has flourished in poorer areas (white, black and other) and is a part of the culture. Many of these people (blacks) had dogs used against them and at one point in time were values less than domesticated animals. So I know it's hard but you need to evaluate this with some perspective other than your own. YES it's wrong. But he has been punished rather accordingly. Financially the man has at least 50 million, and will have served more than a year of hard time. This is America. We give second chances and the opportunity for RETRIBUTION in society.

 

[The Moz]

Vick will plead guilty to dogfight charges: report

NORFOLK, Virginia (AFP) – Michael Vick will plead guilty to state dogfighting charges in hopes of securing an early release from federal prison and possibly returning to American football next year.

The Virginian-Pilot newspaper, citing papers filed in Surry County Circuit Court by Vick's lawyers, reported Tuesday that the former National Football League star quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons wants to enter a halfway house.

Attorneys want permission for Vick to plead guilty in a video-teleconference from Leavenworth, Kansas, where he is serving a two-year prison sentence on federal dogfighting charges.

The Surry court next convenes on November 5.

Paperwork indicates that Vick must resolve the state charges before he would be eligible to take part in a halfway house program.

Vick is scheduled to be released on July 20. He could enter a halfway house program in January to prepare his way for a return to society.

Vick's release would come as National Football League clubs begin training camps for the 2009 season.

LINKNot sure if this would automatically mean no more jail time for state charges. Also not sure what the NFL would do or if they would call it a wash and not impose a longer suspension.

If he plays one more down in the NFL it is a travesty.

becasue he had dog fights at is house -- jeebus has something been blown so out of proportion it is ludacrous

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I picked him up in all of my dynasty leagues three weeks ago. I got him for the league minimum on the waiver wire in each league. I hope he will have trade value next year. I seperate my personal judgements from my evaluation of his value. I do not believe he will have value as a Q.B. He is too risky a proposition to have as the face of a franchise in a key position. I believe he will transition to W.R./K.R. and be a Rod Smith or a Tony Martin.Personally I do not approve of persons taking pleasure in watching animals locked in mortal combat. It seems gratuitous to me. I hunt. I eat meat, fish, and poultry. I wear leather and wool. I live with my choices and prejudices.

I agree. I eat meat and wear leather. Hell I've been to a bull-fight (though I would never want to see that again). And I agree that those who take part in gratuitous animal torture need psychological help as I think it shows sociopathic tendencies of the likes that we find in serial killers. However, I can guarantee you that this type of counseling will be mandatory for Vick. I also bet what he has been through will be a more powerful tool (as it was for Jamal and Ray Lewis) to rehabilitate them and make them think twice about their actions in the future.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Personally, I hope he does come back, then on the way out of the tunnel before the season opener, slips and falls in a freak accident becoming a quadriplegic for life. There are worse examples of human garbage out there but they are few and far between. Say what you will. I don't believe justice is served until he's tortured and killed like the animals he victimized. That aside, from a football perspective I wouldn't consider it a lock for a team to sign him even if/when he is reinstated. Regardless of what you think of the seriousness of his crimes relative to other players past and present, there is no disputing the fact that any team that signs him would be creating a massive distraction. Sure, teams do that all the time but in Vick's case, why invite such scrutiny and create such a distraction for a backup quality NFL QB? That's not to say a team won't do it. I just question the decision making of any team that does.

do you eat meat and wear leather? Have you ever seen a peta type film on how THOSE animals that you economically support their torture and killing are treated?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I don't think Goodell will allow him to play...ever

As tough as Goodell has been on guys like Jones who are perpetual dipsticks, seems hard to believe he'd let vick come back.

The difference is that Vick hasn't been a "perpetual dipstick" but instead made one serious error in judgement. I think if Vick serves his time and repented for his actions (getting involved with PETA would be a smart move) then Goodell would not suspend him any additional time from the league.

Hmmm. ONE serious error in judgement.1. Bought a house and set up an illegal dogfighting training establishment.

2. Travelled across the south east US, fighting said illegal dog fights

3. Abused dozens of dogs, and actively participated in executing animals that weren't successful enough at killing other dogs, including slamming a dog on the ground until dead

4. Said abuse included pulling all of the female dog's teeth (after their fighting days were over), placing them in "rape stands", and allowing aggressive male dogs to savage the toothless female dogs while constrained for breeding purposes

5. The above list doesn't even mention the routine illegal behavior among Vick's co-conspirators including illegal use of pharmacueticals (on the dogs in question, and of course among themselves).

6. Lying to investigators about the property in question and

7. Misleading the commissioner of the NFL and the owner of his NFL franchise regarding the level of his (Michael Vick's) involvement in the ongoing criminal enterprise of running an illegal gambling establishment

8. Conducting an ongoing criminal enterprise with routine contact with high-stakes gamblers, in outright abrogation of NFL conduct policies regarding association with known gamblers

AND ETC.

methinks there were WAY more than one serious error in judgement here.

my .02.

Which one of those things weren't a part of his plea agreement/punishment?

 

[Islanders rule]

I don't think Goodell will allow him to play...ever

Well said, However, Vick will have paid his debt to society when he is released. Doesn't Goodell adding additional punishment by not allowing Vick to return to the NFL for any amount of time constitute a form of double jeapordy ? Let the man get on with his life !

As tough as Goodell has been on guys like Jones who are perpetual dipsticks, seems hard to believe he'd let vick come back.

The difference is that Vick hasn't been a "perpetual dipstick" but instead made one serious error in judgement. I think if Vick serves his time and repented for his actions (getting involved with PETA would be a smart move) then Goodell would not suspend him any additional time from the league.

Hmmm. ONE serious error in judgement.1. Bought a house and set up an illegal dogfighting training establishment.

2. Travelled across the south east US, fighting said illegal dog fights

3. Abused dozens of dogs, and actively participated in executing animals that weren't successful enough at killing other dogs, including slamming a dog on the ground until dead

4. Said abuse included pulling all of the female dog's teeth (after their fighting days were over), placing them in "rape stands", and allowing aggressive male dogs to savage the toothless female dogs while constrained for breeding purposes

5. The above list doesn't even mention the routine illegal behavior among Vick's co-conspirators including illegal use of pharmacueticals (on the dogs in question, and of course among themselves).

6. Lying to investigators about the property in question and

7. Misleading the commissioner of the NFL and the owner of his NFL franchise regarding the level of his (Michael Vick's) involvement in the ongoing criminal enterprise of running an illegal gambling establishment

8. Conducting an ongoing criminal enterprise with routine contact with high-stakes gamblers, in outright abrogation of NFL conduct policies regarding association with known gamblers

AND ETC.

methinks there were WAY more than one serious error in judgement here.

my .02.

 

[moderated]

I don't think Goodell will allow him to play...ever

As tough as Goodell has been on guys like Jones who are perpetual dipsticks, seems hard to believe he'd let vick come back.

The difference is that Vick hasn't been a "perpetual dipstick" but instead made one serious error in judgement. I think if Vick serves his time and repented for his actions (getting involved with PETA would be a smart move) then Goodell would not suspend him any additional time from the league.

Hmmm. ONE serious error in judgement.1. Bought a house and set up an illegal dogfighting training establishment.

2. Travelled across the south east US, fighting said illegal dog fights

3. Abused dozens of dogs, and actively participated in executing animals that weren't successful enough at killing other dogs, including slamming a dog on the ground until dead

4. Said abuse included pulling all of the female dog's teeth (after their fighting days were over), placing them in "rape stands", and allowing aggressive male dogs to savage the toothless female dogs while constrained for breeding purposes

5. The above list doesn't even mention the routine illegal behavior among Vick's co-conspirators including illegal use of pharmacueticals (on the dogs in question, and of course among themselves).

6. Lying to investigators about the property in question and

7. Misleading the commissioner of the NFL and the owner of his NFL franchise regarding the level of his (Michael Vick's) involvement in the ongoing criminal enterprise of running an illegal gambling establishment

8. Conducting an ongoing criminal enterprise with routine contact with high-stakes gamblers, in outright abrogation of NFL conduct policies regarding association with known gamblers

AND ETC.

methinks there were WAY more than one serious error in judgement here.

my .02.

Which one of those things weren't a part of his plea agreement/punishment?

Vick has been punished for what he did. Once he has paid his debt to society he should be able to work for organizations that WANT to hire him, if they don't want to hire him then so be it, but if a team wants Vick to play for them it would be a travesty to not allow it.

We live in the USA, wasn't Goodall a lawyer? If so he understands how our system works and and will respect his release without adding strings to it.

 

[-baller]

This is America. We give second chances and the opportunity for RETRIBUTION in society.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I don't think Goodell will allow him to play...ever

As tough as Goodell has been on guys like Jones who are perpetual dipsticks, seems hard to believe he'd let vick come back.

The difference is that Vick hasn't been a "perpetual dipstick" but instead made one serious error in judgement. I think if Vick serves his time and repented for his actions (getting involved with PETA would be a smart move) then Goodell would not suspend him any additional time from the league.

Hmmm. ONE serious error in judgement.1. Bought a house and set up an illegal dogfighting training establishment.

2. Travelled across the south east US, fighting said illegal dog fights

3. Abused dozens of dogs, and actively participated in executing animals that weren't successful enough at killing other dogs, including slamming a dog on the ground until dead

4. Said abuse included pulling all of the female dog's teeth (after their fighting days were over), placing them in "rape stands", and allowing aggressive male dogs to savage the toothless female dogs while constrained for breeding purposes

5. The above list doesn't even mention the routine illegal behavior among Vick's co-conspirators including illegal use of pharmacueticals (on the dogs in question, and of course among themselves).

6. Lying to investigators about the property in question and

7. Misleading the commissioner of the NFL and the owner of his NFL franchise regarding the level of his (Michael Vick's) involvement in the ongoing criminal enterprise of running an illegal gambling establishment

8. Conducting an ongoing criminal enterprise with routine contact with high-stakes gamblers, in outright abrogation of NFL conduct policies regarding association with known gamblers

AND ETC.

methinks there were WAY more than one serious error in judgement here.

my .02.

Which one of those things weren't a part of his plea agreement/punishment?

Vick has been punished for what he did. Once he has paid his debt to society he should be able to work for organizations that WANT to hire him, if they don't want to hire him then so be it, but if a team wants Vick to play for them it would be a travesty to not allow it.

We live in the USA, wasn't Goodall a lawyer? If so he understands how our system works and and will respect his release without adding strings to it.

Wow, that's horrible. You should also be embarrassed to agree with HLW&P

 

[Homer]

Don't really care if he does ever play again. He's a horrible excuse for a human being and is undraftable in my league if he ever comes back. He's black listed. If someone tries to pick him up, he gets dropped with commish power, and is still charged the transaction fee. Everyone knows this already though, most agree, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Sounds like a ####ty league.Have you thoroughly researched every NFL player's personal life before deeming them draftable?

but no way is that animal holding a roster spot. He's a sub-human piece of ####.I'm not a PETA member, but I love dogs, and what he did to them was beyond wrong.For anyone else who feels the need to argue with me about it: I don't care what you think. You play in your league, I play in mine, and no one is leaving or getting bent out of shape about it so I believe it's the right thing to do.

I'm sure there are plenty of chicken lovers on the world that are at odds with the FACT that cockfighting is the #1 spectator sport in the universe.You sound like one of the anti-abortion 'tards that insist to shove your ideology down the throat of anyone that isn't smart enough to shoot you on sight.Vick went to PRISON and hurt ZERO human beings (except "man's best friend's" lovers) in the process. Jerramy Stevens and Leonard Little are 100x worse, but got slaps on the wrist for what I'd bet my life savings (lol, not all that much!) is your favorite life activity -- mainlining moonshine.

 

[sterjs]

This whole thing is so ludicrous... your average person is more deeply affected by some random dogs dying in Virginia than they are by the Rwandan genocide and innumerable other atrocities against fellow humans. Animals suffer horrible fates in medical and industrial testing and while being raised for meat or hide, yet no one even gives this a second thought. Dogfighting shouldn't even be illegal--dogs are property and this is just another example of the failures of vice prohibitions. I personally find dogfighting barbaric, but the public outcry is far out of proportion to the offense.

 

[BassNBrew]

I don't think Goodell will allow him to play...ever

of all the people in the nfl who have done wrong, vick is NO WAY NEAR the worst offender, and has suffered publically, professionally and financially in a way 10x worse than almost any nfl player (save the Ray Carruths of the world who kill PEOPLE). The overkill people wanna pile on him is unbelievable.

Defense attorney???

 

[Truman]

Looking forward to Vick's long overdue NFL return.

Hopefully his presence taunts all the ignorants/hypocrites/racists out there who have yet to express protest at a single game of Ryan Tucker's career.

 

[burd]

wife beaters, drug dealers, thieves, murderers, drunk drivers, assaulters, deadbeat dads, tax evaders, scam artists etc.

those guys who want keep Vick out because what he did was so wrong and think that he's a bad example of NFL players .... what are you thinking?

not making excuses for Vick or any of these other guys who get themselves in trouble, but gotta remember that a lot of these guys don't grow up in stable homes. The stars of the NFL 10 years from now are probably living in a ghetto somewhere, being raised by their grandma, living on government assistance and are subjected to a lot of stuff we're fortunate not to have to go through.

 

[KevT]

Don't really care if he does ever play again. He's a horrible excuse for a human being and is undraftable in my league if he ever comes back. He's black listed. If someone tries to pick him up, he gets dropped with commish power, and is still charged the transaction fee. Everyone knows this already though, most agree, so it shouldn't be a problem.

So Plaxico, LJ, etc etc are black listed in your league as well?Of course not. Ah the double standard!!

Double standard? Could you explain? Plaxico/LJ killed and tortured dogs also? I hope you don't mean racially double standard because it doesn't apply here...Those of you making excuses for Vick, or just shrugging off what he did are horrible excuses for human beings.

 

[Godsbrother]

The irony of the whole story is that if he would have cooperated with the state from the begining the feds may not have gotten involved and he probably wouldn't have gone to jail and he'd still be playing football.

 

[3C's]

The irony of the whole story is that if he would have cooperated with the state from the begining the feds may not have gotten involved and he probably wouldn't have gone to jail and he'd still be playing football.

Probably so. Even still, Poindexter isn't interested in taking this to trial.

 

[PatrickT]

I think he's paid his price and Goodell let's him back in. And I think that's the right decision. He's burned his bridge in Atlanta, and I don't know that he'll be a QB again, but he'll find a spot in the NFL.

 

[Yenrub]

After he has served his time I have no problem with him pursuing a career in the NFL or any other field (except dog catcher or vet)

 

[-baller]

vick is right where he belongs -- in the zoo w/the rest of the animals.

 

[culdeus]

Vick got what he deserved but I think he has paid his debt to society. The guy lost everything. People have done a lot worse and got a lot less. I think Vick is good for the NFL, he was a lot of fun to watch and he is no worse than most Bengals and Cowboys players.

Which NFL team has had the least recent arrest? I'll hang up and listen.

 

[azgroover]

Don't really care if he does ever play again. He's a horrible excuse for a human being and is undraftable in my league if he ever comes back. He's black listed. If someone tries to pick him up, he gets dropped with commish power, and is still charged the transaction fee. Everyone knows this already though, most agree, so it shouldn't be a problem.

So Plaxico, LJ, etc etc are black listed in your league as well?Of course not. Ah the double standard!!

Double standard? Could you explain? Plaxico/LJ killed and tortured dogs also? I hope you don't mean racially double standard because it doesn't apply here...Those of you making excuses for Vick, or just shrugging off what he did are horrible excuses for human beings.

Last week my 4 year old took joy in obliterating an entire ant colony with a garden hose. Horrible human being?

 

[TommyGilmore]

Don't really care if he does ever play again. He's a horrible excuse for a human being and is undraftable in my league if he ever comes back. He's black listed. If someone tries to pick him up, he gets dropped with commish power, and is still charged the transaction fee. Everyone knows this already though, most agree, so it shouldn't be a problem.

So Plaxico, LJ, etc etc are black listed in your league as well?Of course not. Ah the double standard!!

Double standard? Could you explain? Plaxico/LJ killed and tortured dogs also? I hope you don't mean racially double standard because it doesn't apply here...Those of you making excuses for Vick, or just shrugging off what he did are horrible excuses for human beings.

Last week my 4 year old took joy in obliterating an entire ant colony with a garden hose. Horrible human being?

Nothing that a 2-year prison sentence couldn't fix. :X

 

[fruity pebbles]

Don't really care if he does ever play again. He's a horrible excuse for a human being and is undraftable in my league if he ever comes back. He's black listed. If someone tries to pick him up, he gets dropped with commish power, and is still charged the transaction fee. Everyone knows this already though, most agree, so it shouldn't be a problem.

So Plaxico, LJ, etc etc are black listed in your league as well?Of course not. Ah the double standard!!

Double standard? Could you explain? Plaxico/LJ killed and tortured dogs also? I hope you don't mean racially double standard because it doesn't apply here...Those of you making excuses for Vick, or just shrugging off what he did are horrible excuses for human beings.

Last week my 4 year old took joy in obliterating an entire ant colony with a garden hose. Horrible human being?

He's the next Dexter

 

[azgroover]

Don't really care if he does ever play again. He's a horrible excuse for a human being and is undraftable in my league if he ever comes back. He's black listed. If someone tries to pick him up, he gets dropped with commish power, and is still charged the transaction fee. Everyone knows this already though, most agree, so it shouldn't be a problem.

So Plaxico, LJ, etc etc are black listed in your league as well?Of course not. Ah the double standard!!

Double standard? Could you explain? Plaxico/LJ killed and tortured dogs also? I hope you don't mean racially double standard because it doesn't apply here...Those of you making excuses for Vick, or just shrugging off what he did are horrible excuses for human beings.

Last week my 4 year old took joy in obliterating an entire ant colony with a garden hose. Horrible human being?

Nothing that a 2-year prison sentence couldn't fix.

I could only dream of the peace and quiet that would bring my house.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Don't really care if he does ever play again. He's a horrible excuse for a human being and is undraftable in my league if he ever comes back. He's black listed. If someone tries to pick him up, he gets dropped with commish power, and is still charged the transaction fee. Everyone knows this already though, most agree, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Sounds like a ####ty league.Have you thoroughly researched every NFL player's personal life before deeming them draftable?

Eh.. 9 years and running, we'll be around a long time. And no, I don't go through anyone's personal life that's a little bit silly. But when what he did was all over the public, I take notice.All players around him can still get points, but no way is that animal holding a roster spot. He's a sub-human piece of ####.I'm not a PETA member, but I love dogs, and what he did to them was beyond wrong.For anyone else who feels the need to argue with me about it: I don't care what you think. You play in your league, I play in mine, and no one is leaving or getting bent out of shape about it so I believe it's the right thing to do.

I started a thread listing all the scumbags in the NFL so this should help your league immensley. Good luck blacklisting all of those players.I wish you the best of luck in your quest for fantasy football morality.

 

[roadkill1292]

After last year's threads surrounding Vick's indictment, this thread has been somewhat of a surprise to me.

ETA that I've thoroughly enjoyed everyone's responses to two_dollars.

 

[siffoin]

I would think that A. Blank will have some kind of say in what happens to M. Vick.

Vick will never play for Atlanta again...that's for sure. But I would think that if Blank can get something for him, Goodell wouldn't suspend Vick additional time. If there are no offers for Vick I would think it would be better for the Falcons to have Vick suspended until his cap penalty is minimal...and regardless, I think the league will be amiable to the best interest of the league/Falcons BEFORE Michael Vick.

It will be interesting to find out how prison has changed Vick (if at all). Will he be more humble? Will he dedicate himself more to the game? Or will he remain the self-centered person he was before?

It will also be interesting to see if he does get offers from another team too and what position he will play if/when he returns.

Personally I thought Vick was a very exciting player to watch and I'd like to see him come back and be a better player and a much better person. What he did was horrible, stupid and foolish. But at the same time the punishment he has paid is greater than his crime.

My hope is there is redemption for the guy and he lives up to the opportunity of a second chance.